With the aniversary of 9 11 coming up do people feel that the world situation has inproved since that terrible attack,or are we no further forward.
Let us all pause tommorow and think about all those innocent people who perished in the attack and pray for their souls.

Yes, actually, I do.

Personally I believe the World situation has improved insomuch that the civilised nations have become united in their fight against terrorism. Political differences (East versus West, etc) have all but evaporated such is the universal will to defeat this horrific threat to us all.

Having said that, the civilised World has become a far more dangerous place to live in since that shocking event of 11/9/03.

No-one is safe, no matter where they are. It's frightening, really.

But the will to stick together and defeat this evil has to win over eventually, I feel.

OK; I realise that terrorism will always be here to some extent, but the great syndicates will be cracked eventually making the controlling of relatively minor organisations more managable.

Since 9/11 and the farce in Afghanistan, and Iraq the world have come to realise that the US are not able to finish the job and so they can work with impunity, dragging the US (and the Brits) into drawn out conflicts across the world. Sudan will be next and we'll get our arses kicked there too...

Soon the hunted will become the hunter

Let me say Sam I hope you are right about winning the war on terror,personally i'm not too sure that we can win this one.
We may destroy one large syndicate but the way it is that another will come along to replace it.
To resort to such tactics must mean these people are really desperate,so until we address what drives them to such evil things then I feel we will simply go around in circles.
I thin k we need to resolve the palastine situation first and foremost and only then can we make real progress.

The tighter you squeeze the more it slips away from you. The US obsession with beating terrorism with undoubtingly be their undoing.

Not too sure about the hunted becoming the hunted ,but I do think the states has far too long thought that military might can resolve everything when plainly it cannot.
All these conflicts need a political agreement,look at ireland we now have peace where we had conflict.

Originally posted by royjames

All these conflicts need a political agreement,look at ireland we now have peace where we had conflict.
I can't help but think that had it not been for America finally being hoisted on their own petard, regarding turning the blind eye to support of terrorists from their own country, no such resolution would have been reached...

After 9/11 they couldn't put their guns down quickly enough... but then again perhaps I'm just being cynical... Who knows...

You can't win the war on terror through armed conflict. You have to look at the causes, and how you treat the 'other guy'.

Jamie you have hit the nail on the head,we need to understand what drives these people to do what they do.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
Having said that, the civilised World has become a far more dangerous place to live in since that shocking event of 11/9/03.


Why, what happened on the 2nd anniversary of 11/9/01?

pedant! :rolleyes:

Hello. I've been working away for a bit, and so haven't posted to this forum. But I am a little surprised to read

that the civilised nations have become united in their fight against terrorism. Political differences (East versus West, etc) have all but evaporated such is the universal will to defeat this horrific threat to us all.

From Sam Miguel.

I don't think that any political differences have evaporated at all. Countries have largely the same priorities and loyalties as before. Perhaps a few more of them will jump when America tells them to. Putting the situation in terms of 'civilised nations' against terrorism is rather oversimplistic. The Russians, for example seem to have a largely domestic problem, caused in part by the horrific situation in the south Caucusus. This has been brewing for decades, and certainly in the last few years the Chechens seem to have been using al-quaeda like tactics. The Putin government has been talking about the Chechens as a part of al-Quaeda, though there is no credible evidence for this. Putin said that at least ten of the hostage takers at Beslam were Arabs. This has been contradicted by the survivors, and there is no evidence that any of the bodies were of Arabs. This has then been used for a further crackdown on Russian media.

Hopefully the lies will cost Putin the presidency, like they cost Jose Maria Aznar in Spain.

Originally posted by t020
Why, what happened on the 2nd anniversary of 11/9/01?

Oops! Thanks for pointing that out, t020. Please read it as: 11/9/01

I think part of the problem is that certain World leaders (and you know who I'm referring to) are too far up George W Bush's arse.... He says jump, they say "how high oh Master?!"...

If the Yank government wasn't flexing its Political muscles all the time maybe there wouldn't be so many attacks on Western targets.

That's why they want to attack key targets here, in London... Cos our Government is such good Pals with George W Bush Jr.

The only way to stop terrorism is to go to the root cause- poverty. Until third world countries see themselves getting a more fairer slice of the worlds economy then the problems will only get worse i'm afraid.
Terrorists are people who have no power and the only way they can get people to hear their cause is to use suicide bombing as a means of empowerment over things that otherwise they wouldn't control.
I believe that until we redistribute the worlds wealth and get around the negotiating table more with radical extremists rather than fighting fire with fire maybe we will see peace in our lifetime, afterall its happened in Ireland to some extent.
I'm not saying what terrorists do is just- because obviously it isn't, i'm just saying that a more intelligent approach is needed rather than a knee jerk reaction all the time. We need a completely radical overall of our own society which is based around celebrity and wealth and go back to basics where we take only what we need and not everything that comes our way. Its that what so p****'s third world countries off who wouldn't have a voice otherwise if it wasn't for terrorists.

There has always been terrorism, well before 9/11. Except when the ***** lands on your doorstep you notice it more, and expect everybody else to give their sympathy and rubber stamp any ridiculous actions taking in countries where most people are worried where their next meal is coming from. Well its certainly not from GW and TB unless they want gunpower deluxe.

how do you tell who is Taliban and who isn't? Its not that black and white there, they all dress alike, they all carry guns, so is the distinction the taliban are those pointing the gun and you, and your friends are those who aren't? Gotta be something like that with GW hasn't it...simple minds and all that.

Iraq was just plainly a mistake. If the worlds a safer place, maybe he shouldbe counting the number of his troops getting killed, and the number of hostages taken and murdered aswell. Im pretty sure Iraq was safer before, they didnt have the equipment to even revive the oil industry to MAKE money, let alone make Nukes.

Well as for Iraq being safer before the war,you have to ask safer for who?
It was not very safe for the thousands of it's own citizens who were massacerd by the baath regiine during Sadams rule.
Or the millions sent to their deaths in a pointless war with it's neighbour Iran,no the jury is still out on this one.

Originally posted by royjames
Well as for Iraq being safer before the war,you have to ask safer for who?
It was not very safe for the thousands of it's own citizens who were massacerd by the baath regiine during Sadams rule.
Or the millions sent to their deaths in a pointless war with it's neighbour Iran,no the jury is still out on this one.

Wars are not pointless when being supplied by arms from the west though. Not pointless when the US had its hand up Saddams bum controlling this mouth. Things turned sour, so lets bomb the crap outta him.

Its not any safer now then it was then, regime or not, how long till Iran establish a foothold there and the shi'ite clerics rule the country with an iron fist. i would be interested to see then how the west does business with Iraq. personally I cant wait to see it.

bring the boys back home, and let the yanks finish what they started.

I dont think Iran will get involved in this conflict,they have enough on their plate trying to keep their country from self destructing.
Besides the great satan, America I mean will not let anyone else get thier hands on Iraqs oil reserves.
Anyway getting back on track I think we willsee more 9 11 s in the future unless we tackle the root causes of why they do what they do.