http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6219608.stm

The uk justice system at an altime low :loopy: :loopy:

The "justice" system of this country is the laughing stock of the world !!!!!

an absolute joke, take the money off him and deport the scumbag, and any off his family thats here

Yeah its a joke but the fella did an 8 year stretch in prison, just give the money to his vitim and ship him home !

The simplest solution in a case like this is simply not to pay him the money. They have been ordered to pay him, but they can just ignore this. He would then have to take them to court again (from Somalia) to try to recover the money. Eventually he would have to send the bailiffs into somewhere to seize goods. This will take years and will show that the government is holding out as long as they can.

The simplest solution in a case like this is simply not to pay him the money.


How is the government being convicted for contempt of court going to improve matters?



You get held in prison when you're not supposed to be there, you are entitled to compensation no matter who you are or what you did. What exactly are people complaining about?

How is the government being convicted for contempt of court going to improve matters?



You get held in prison when you're not supposed to be there, you are entitled to compensation no matter who you are or what you did. What exactly are people complaining about?

If this is a case of someone making a claim against another person or body then you usually don't get into trouble for contempt of court for not paying. You only have to look at dodgy builders who get sued and then get chased for the money, none of them ever end up in gaol. What normally happens is that the person who is owed the money has to go back to court to get further orders forcing them to pay, eventually by taking their property or freezing their accounts etc.

If this is a case of someone making a claim against another person or body then you usually don't get into trouble for contempt of court for not paying. You only have to look at dodgy builders who get sued and then get chased for the money, none of them ever end up in gaol. What normally happens is that the person who is owed the money has to go back to court to get further orders forcing them to pay, eventually by taking their property or freezing their accounts etc.

Dodgy builders are not the government. There's a subtle difference.

Dodgy builders are not the government. There's a subtle difference.


No, of course not, but we don't want them to pay and I assume they don't think they should pay. My suggestion is simply not to pay and make him fight for his cash while he is in Somalia. This will hopefully be hard for him to do and can be made to drag on as long as possible. Perhaps some of the victims could make a claim against him in the meantime and try to freeze any money he gets in the UK. If people really object to this scum getting paid they can make it hard rather than just rolling over.

Maybe they should have thought of that before illegally imprisoning him for two years.

Lets break it down. He's illegal here. Bad in some ways but I know many others who are illegals and they are not bad people. They do however have no right to stay here. I don't 'shop' them as I know why they are here and I know these do no harm.

He raped a kid. That changes everything. He has proven he is not a fit person to be here.

What he needs is a harsh punishment and shipping out.
No human right, no appeals, no compensation or whatever.

It's quite clear he is a scumbag and the law is being an ass.

He did 8 years for the rape, the tariff set by the court.
The government were seeking to deport him, completely agree with that and think it's the right think to do.
They don't (apparently) have legislation that allows them to lock up indefinitely anyone who they are seeking to deport though, which they really should have known.

I can't believe this some people on here are actually supporting this scumbags claim for compensation. Unfortunately the laws of this land don't allow for gibbiting any more which is what he deserves. The compensation he should get is a one way ticket back to his homeland, preferably in a box.

Maybe they should have thought of that before illegally imprisoning him for two years

My heart bleeds for him Cyclone. Poor old soul. He did his pathetic stretch for raping a 13 year old and now is getting a hefty pay packet for the pleasure. Sickening. I feel sorry for the family of the girl. How must they feel knowing this scum is getting a payout:rant: :loopy:

Cyclone/Heyesey, the problem is that this is not just.

This person enters the country illegally and whilst here proceeds to rape a 13 year old girl, devastating her life and the lives of those who love her forever. Whether or not it was legal to hold him pending deportation has no bearing on whether it was right or just to do so... which it was.

Those responsible for this "over-sight" should be told to be more mindful in the future and the government should look at amending the law if necessary. But as for this "man" he deserves nothing and if he receives a penny it will be an affront to justice, decency and common sense.

My heart bleeds for him Cyclone. Poor old soul. He did his pathetic stretch for raping a 13 year old and now is getting a hefty pay packet for the pleasure. Sickening. I feel sorry for the family of the girl. How must they feel knowing this scum is getting a payout:rant: :loopy:

Cyclone would take the opposite view to anyone posting on this thread

Have you got a daughter Cyclone?

hes raped a child and still people think he,s been bad done to only in britain
can this happen & people wonder why some people look to the bnp ,bnp i would vote for the nazis if they would sort this lot out

Whatever else it is, it displays how inept this government department is. How hard can it be to get the man deported as soon as his jail term was over. The papers should have been signed & ready, and a ticket booked on the first plane to wherever on the day of his release. Simple. 3 years delay is pure red tape burocracy crap

i see men & women on this forum with more sense in running this country be it law & order to bus services than these inept over paid out of touch (i wish i could swear) dumplings.

Hey, I know, why don't you all just hunt him down and kill him.
Afterall, you've declared that he should have no rights.
When you're done maybe you can dance on his body and drink his blood. And then hope that you are never the subject of any mistreatment by the powers that be.

The law exists for everyone to follow, that includes the government.
I'm all for deporting him, I said that much earlier. But that doesn't mean that the government can ignore any laws.
They have to be whiter than white, they not only have to act within the letter of the law, they have to be seen to be acting within the letter and the spirit of the law.

he raped a child he forego,s he,s so called human rights what about her rights.no wonder they want to come to this country ,i bet he cant wait to tell his mates go to britain do what you like because some people there will actually feel more sorry for you than the victim

oh & hey i know invite him round for tea & biscuits & tell him how badly he,s been treated

I agree with Cyclone; both that what the man did was terrible - but also that the Government should uphold the law. Yes, I can appreciate people's emnity towards the guy - but this is a civilised country (allegedly) - and detaining people illegally is not something we should be doing.

If you want the law changed then why don't you petition your MP, or gather a couple of million signatures.
8 years does seem on the low side, but that doesn't alter what happened after the sentence was completed.

can i believe what im reading people are feeling sorry for a child rapist what planet do you come from that beast wanted topping not looked after taking out & topping ,what about the childs sentence thats for life her life is ruined through someone who shouldn,t have been here in the first place

apparently you can't even read, never mind believe it.
I don't feel at all sorry for him, I feel that the government has to work within the framework of law that it creates. If that sometimes means that unpleasant people have compensation because the government illegally imprisons them, then so be it, the government should be more bloody careful so that it doesn't happen.

take a f o tablet i can read you

good argument, you've really got me with that one.

C'mon pk0, nobodie's saying they feel sorry for the guy - behave!
It's as Cyclone said - if the government have laws they should apply them properly regardless of who they're applying them to.

ok lads rant over :thumbsup:

I agree with Cyclone; both that what the man did was terrible - but also that the Government should uphold the law. Yes, I can appreciate people's emnity towards the guy - but this is a civilised country (allegedly) - and detaining people illegally is not something we should be doing.
this was a civilised country, but since the open door policy i think it has now turned into something akin to a free for all,the police dont seem to be able to arrest anyone who hasnt a british birth certificate without paying out compensation
tell me another country in this mixed up world where an illegal immigrant gets treated with so much kid gloves, halibut,cyclone,i always thought you both posted to be controversial,but to back a rapist,a man who terrified and raped a young child is i thought even below your standards.you surprise me,any decent man would want to get hold of this pervert and rip off his head,thats not a mob responce,thats the responce from a father,a responce from any right thinking male,wether he has children or not,before you reach for freud or other books, lets take a vote,all those who agree with rapists getting compensation should be the ones paying it,as they agree with it,what did the 13 year old girl get ? havent heard much from you two about what her rights are,and if she got them,as usual the bleeding hearts are on the side of the criminal and lets forget the victim,she will grow up and forget about it,yet the criminal ,he had to be locked up,fed ,clothed ,educated all at the countries expence,im sure hes in a state of trauma .......all the way to the bank............................................

ripping peoples heads off might make you feel better (or more likely, talking about it makes you feel more manly). But personally I think upholding the rule of law is far more decent than any amount of 'flog em and hang em' ranting and shouting.
You make the law, you set the penalties and then you apply it equally to everyone. That's a civilised society. What you advocate is a descent into barbarism.
I never post to be controversial, oh okay, occasionally, but never about something serious.
What the hang em and flog em brigade seem unable to do is seperate two different issues. One the man was a rapist, he's been punished for that, if you don't agree with 8 years then complain to your mp about sentencing. The 2nd issue is one of wrongful imprisonment, they can't be considered together that's not how the law works.

Unsurprisingly Depoix, you utterly miss the point; i.e that the government illegally detained someone - not an attribute of a civilised society. I'm not 'backing a rapist', I'm saying tha unlawful imprisonmnt is wrong. hey're two entirely separate issues. As it happens,no, I wouldn't want to rip the guys head off. That doesn't stem from a sympathy for rapists but from a deeply held conviction that violence doesn't solve problems, but adds to them. No, you haven't heard from me about the rights of the child not be raped, because that's not what the thread was about.

Is it possible that the victim could sue this man ? to me this would make some sense of a stupid ruling.

this was a civilised country, but since the open door policy i think it has now turned into something akin to a free for all,the police dont seem to be able to arrest anyone who hasnt a british birth certificate without paying out compensation
tell me another country in this mixed up world where an illegal immigrant gets treated with so much kid gloves, halibut,cyclone,i always thought you both posted to be controversial,but to back a rapist,a man who terrified and raped a young child is i thought even below your standards.you surprise me,any decent man would want to get hold of this pervert and rip off his head,thats not a mob responce,thats the responce from a father,a responce from any right thinking male,wether he has children or not,before you reach for freud or other books, lets take a vote,all those who agree with rapists getting compensation should be the ones paying it,as they agree with it,what did the 13 year old girl get ? havent heard much from you two about what her rights are,and if she got them,as usual the bleeding hearts are on the side of the criminal and lets forget the victim,she will grow up and forget about it,yet the criminal ,he had to be locked up,fed ,clothed ,educated all at the countries expence,im sure hes in a state of trauma .......all the way to the bank............................................

but you're not a decent man.

wheels within wheels, you accuse the decent man of bieng a barbarian for wanting justice for a raped child, the law may be the law,but it is a democracy where in the law can be made to fit,ie. the krays get life for killing one of their own
the bulger killers get a life time of anonimity and protection for murdering an innocent child, so if the law can be made to fit,then this rapist should be denied any compensation as it is an affront to british justice and an insult to the child victim, its such decisions to compensate the criminal like this that make britain a laughing stock,and its people like you that agree with such payments that ensure we the british will continue to be the fools of the world

but you're not a decent man.and whats that supposed to mean ?

but you're not a decent man.
How do you know he is not a decent man?
It is amazing how far some characters on here will stoop to defend the indefensible.
They seem to have some idea that anyone who does something vile and obscene, beit a terrorist bombing, or a vile child rape, is someone to be defended and protected.
They seem proud to be saying 'look how liberal I am, I defend the scum of the earth, and can empathise with them'.
It is not just occasionally, it is on any thread where this kind of subject matter is involved.
They are strange characters to understand.

How do you know he is not a decent man?
It is amazing how far some characters on here will stoop to defend the indefensible.
They seem to have some idea that anyone who does something vile and obscene, beit a terrorist bombing, or a vile child rape, is someone to be defended and protected.
They seem proud to be saying 'look how liberal I am, I defend the scum of the earth, and can empathise with them'.
It is not just occasionally, it is on any thread where this kind of subject matter is involved.
They are strange characters to understand.
I think that illegally detaining people is pretty indefensible don't you artisan? Again like Depoix you seem to be rather confused about my point of view, so I'll say it again. Illegally detaining people is not the sort of behaviour one associates with a civilised society. On the logic that you seem to be following, are you suggesting that the law should only apply to 'good' people?
I thought that equality under the law was part of democracy?

I think that illegally detaining people is pretty indefensible don't you artisan? Again like Depoix you seem to be rather confused about my point of view, so I'll say it again. Illegally detaining people is not the sort of behaviour one associates with a civilised society. On the logic that you seem to be following, are you suggesting that the law should only apply to 'good' people?
I thought that equality under the law was part of democracy?
In a proper society anyone who raped a child would not be alive to be detained illegally would he?
These so called people do not deserve the name human being, so how can the human rights act apply to them?

but you're not a decent man.

And the moronic statement of the month award goes to...

Seems pretty decent to me, I actually don't think he goes far enough, castrate the ******* and then let him bleed to death, slowly.

Then give the £50,000 to the victim.

And the moronic statement of the month award goes to...

Seems pretty decent to me, I actually don't think he goes far enough, castrate the ******* and then let him bleed to death, slowly.

Then give the £50,000 to the victim.

So you're really naive enough to think that you can buy off a rape victim's trauma with cash? Sad.

Is it possible that the victim could sue this man ? to me this would make some sense of a stupid ruling.

This seems to me, to be the best option.

The girl possibly may be trying to forget her ordeal, was it ten years ago she is now 23. This case of his compensation can not have caused her any happy memories

The judge, the system which allowed the offender to be held illegally and the offender should be sued for 'hurt' by the girl. The judge may be considered by some to be simply doing his duty; to most people he has not used discretion, human judgement or basic commonsense. The system is useless and some one must be culpable, the offender served his time, but his crime will never go-away for the girl, now a woman, and her family. The offender could be asked to give his award to the victim; if he declined then he shows no real remorse or humanity. I would hope that some powerful lawyer offers her services to ensure that this offender does the right thing.

I can't believe this some people on here are actually supporting this scumbags claim for compensation. Unfortunately the laws of this land don't allow for gibbiting any more which is what he deserves. The compensation he should get is a one way ticket back to his homeland, preferably in a box.



good call, agree 110%
He has shown he is a villain by being in jail not long after arriving here. We have enough scum of our own without having imported scum

So you're really naive enough to think that you can buy off a rape victim's trauma with cash? Sad.
so you admit she has trauma...? yet are still willing to stand on the side of the rapist, legally or not the moral aspect of paying this animal is wrong, i dont have statistics,but i would risk saying that at least 80 % of adult votes would be against it