As the current season (and the year 2006) draws to a close, let us reminisce(spelling???) on the greatest kickboxing fights that have taken place this year.
Let's discuss the local clubs and local fighters especially the up and coming novices who have put their well being on the line in the square ring.

This thread should not be used to bash fighters,coaches and gyms just to acknowlede the local fighters (especially the up and coming stars of the sport).

For years the sport has seen a void and no one has had the guts to bring the clubs together,.... till recently,...

Ok lets hear it for :
AFK, Black dragons, Woodseats thaiboxing, Lau Gar and other reputable kickboxing clubs in sheffield!!!

Would Woodseats Thai Boxing be classed as a kick boxing club?

The Thai Bo class at Fitness First is excellent

Thumbs up, unsung member of the kickboxing scene

Would Woodseats Thai Boxing be classed as a kick boxing club?

Woodseats Thaiboxing are capable of fighting under :
Full contact rules (American kickboxing where kicks are delivered above the belt), Kickboxing rules (Japanese style using low kicks and knees) as well as Muay thai rules ( using ritual dance , thai music and scoring that I do not aree with ;) ) . Since they compete in kickboxing yes they are a kickboxing club but thank you for pointing that out.

At some point im sure that one of the Woodseats thaiboxing fighters will fight in MMA too.

does anyone ahve any details for times and days for training at woodseats thaiboxing? thanks

Farhad

Would you say that Thai Boxing makes up for most of the stuff they teach?

does anyone ahve any details for times and days for training at woodseats thaiboxing? thanks

Just been asked, by someone I work with, to ask for this as well.

Thanks

does anyone ahve any details for times and days for training at woodseats thaiboxing? thanks

Hi Cagney
Ring Mark Ellis, he will tell you the times and venues.
0114 296 7866
Or ring Dave Perks on :
07852 128853

Good luck. Tell them Farhad said Hello.

Farhad

Would you say that Thai Boxing makes up for most of the stuff they teach?

Hi Westley,
What would you define as "thaiboxing" and what would you define as "kickboxing" when it comes to stuff they (or any other club) teach?

Where do you draw the line?
As far as im concerned wether its Muay thai/ Full contact/ K-1/ Savate/ San shou,... etc
All are different styles of kickboxing.
All wear Boxing Gloves, all fight in the ring , all use punches and kicks (with differing regional and cultural variations).

I think I, along with anyone that had an understanding of Thai Boxing, would class it as Muay Thai, the fighting art originating from Thailand and before that Siam.

There are many people that get Thai boxing and Kick Boxing confused although I know you are not one of them, as for the stuff they teach, I can't comment on that because I've never been to their gym, seen any or heard or any of their fighters so I guess I'm not qualified to pass on any comment.

Thai Boxing should be taught as Thai Boxing, the full range of techniques that can all be used in the ring, and if a gym can also teach them to be applied in different situations also then that is even better.
I think it important that Thai boxing be taught as Thai boxing without any un-needed additions - especially where participants wish to compete, as a stand up art it is considered by many to be complete, I think the proof is in the pudding - watch most Muay Thai bouts that consist of 1 fighter schooled only in Muay Thai and the other having bits and bobs of everything and I think the evidence is clear.
I know you have done some Muay Thai training as on your site there is a photo of you at Sandy Holts gym holding some form of certificate, but ask Sandy Holt if he teaches a form of kick boxing or was taught a form of kick boxing by Master Sken and I'm pretty sure you'd get told he was taught Thai Boxing and teaches Thai Boxing - no fancy pants or moon boots round his gym ;)

I guess I wouldn't need to draw a line, Thai Boxing is Thai Boxing and kick boxing is not. Thai Boxing is steeped in history where as kick boxing is only a fraction the age of Thai Boxing (so I guess you could say that kick boxing is a modified variation of Thai Boxing yes..), however I don't think it's essential a gym teaches the history or culture of Muay Thai, there are several very succesful gyms in England that don't.

Hi Westley I will adress your points one by one .
I respect your views but as a forward thinking person do not agree with all of them.

1.I think I, along with anyone that had an understanding of Thai Boxing, would class it as Muay Thai, the fighting art originating from Thailand and before that Siam.

Ok so you would class what Woodseats does as MT? Fair enough , you are right but what they practise is a "dutch form" of MT more based towards kickboxing scoring i.e. more like K-1 style. The way forward in my view.




2.Thai Boxing should be taught as Thai Boxing, the full range of techniques that can all be used in the ring, and if a gym can also teach them to be applied in different situations also then that is even better.
I think it important that Thai boxing be taught as Thai boxing without any un-needed additions - especially where participants wish to compete, as a stand up art it is considered by many to be complete, I think the proof is in the pudding - watch most Muay Thai bouts that consist of 1 fighter schooled only in Muay Thai and the other having bits and bobs of everything and I think the evidence is clear.

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it. MT scoring is not palatable to a western audience which is why K-1 style of scoring/ fighting and training is the way forward.

3.I know you have done some Muay Thai training as on your site there is a photo of you at Sandy Holts gym holding some form of certificate, but ask Sandy Holt if he teaches a form of kick boxing or was taught a form of kick boxing by Master Sken and I'm pretty sure you'd get told he was taught Thai Boxing and teaches Thai Boxing - no fancy pants or moon boots round his gym ;)

Very true BUT, Neil Holden was taught by Sken and Sandy in MT.
Neil markets his club as warrington kickboxing studios,... and runs the AKA league.
Also not all kickboxing wear padded boots not all kickboxing wear long pants. Referring to an american version known as Full Contact perhaps?
Full contact was born in the 1970's and is the hybrid child of Boxing and Taekwondo.


4.I guess I wouldn't need to draw a line, Thai Boxing is Thai Boxing and kick boxing is not. Thai Boxing is steeped in history where as kick boxing is only a fraction the age of Thai Boxing (so I guess you could say that kick boxing is a modified variation of Thai Boxing yes..), however I don't think it's essential a gym teaches the history or culture of Muay Thai, there are several very succesful gyms in England that don't

Again a good comment BUT specifically what would you call thai and what would you call kick in terms of techniques?

Keep it going !
Regards
Farhad

There will soon be a new forum coming up where you can discuss sheffields kickboxing scene further.

Watch this space

The most exciting division has got to be the LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT and WELTERWEIGHT divisions.

We have names such as Lewis Stokes, Darren Marsden , Simon Marsden ,Amjed Shaffique, Scott Sykes, Sunny Singh ,Paul Cropper and Rik Veevers.

Perhaps to a lesser extent we could have included Wajid Shaffique if and when he laces those gloves on to have a go. He has expressed an interest in
having a go using Sunny Singh as a warm up / target practise for his debut fight in Full contact.

Simon Marsden :
The BUMAC king!!! This fighter ruled the BUMAC tournament since the first proper event where he beat Steve Hawker (AFK) in the final, after Steve had KO'd his brother (Darren) with a head kick.
Hi unbeaten record was broken when he lost to Rik Veevers (who is im lead to believe a European Taekwondo champion?) in a battle of epic proportions.

On the most recent BUMAC, Simon regained his number one spot by beating newcomer Lewis Stokes in the final.

Other light welters/welterweights.

Darren Marsden :
The wily old veteran who forgot somewhere down the line to quit.
Darren Marsden first made his mark on sheffield's scene in the BUMAC event.
He holds a win over Paul Cropper(LAU GAR) (the fresh young novice who stopped Rik Veevers after his emphatic win over Simon marsden.).
Darren is fast, has accurate and powerful high kicks with good ringcraft and evasion skills.
Sadly his lungs are not what they used to be and that affects his work rate.
References to his loss to Lewis Stokes (Black Dragons).

Paul Cropper :
A relative novice to the kickboxing scene. Paul stopped European Taekwondo champion Rik Veevers inside a minute with a barrage of uppercuts.
Paul fought on the AFK show against a tough london based Afghani lad named Majeid.
Paul lost a close decision but gave a good account of himself.

Paul Cropper will face Thaiboxer from the north east named Afjol Miah under K-1 rules!

Both of them have good hands so its hard to tell which way this will go.

Lewis " THE ELIMINATOR" Stokes
This exciting and popular young fighter hails from the Black Dragon School of kickboxing under the tutelage of Claude Evans.
His appearance on the scene showed him defeating the veteran Darren Marsden in the elimination rounds giving im the name of "the Eliminator".
He has a fast and aggressive boxing style and thankfully the right head on his shoulders.
Lewis' latest outing was against Naz Khan from AFK. A fight that ended in controversy.
Lewis cut down to 60kg ,Naz came up from Featherweight (57k) to 59kg so the match could be made at light weight.

Lewis will face Adam Lawrence (Lau Gar) in his next outing.

Other fighters in the lightwelter/welter weight divisions include:

Sunny The snake Singh (AFK) :
On his first outing in competition he walked through the northern university championships gaining a Gold medal and the title of northern student champion.
A month later he fought on the dinner show in Derby winning his title belt against Sam Gover from Teeside University.

Wonderful Wayne Betts (AFK/Marsdens) :
Wayne has his first match on the BUMAC against his good friend/neighbour and instructor Simon Marsden.
He fought on many different circuits mainly the BUMAC as well as the student circuit.
Memorable fights for him have been:
BKO Lightweight title:
Should have won that fight but the decision went to Dave Aitken due to dubious judging.
University events:
Wayne ploughed through the northern university championships in the welterweight division winning GOLD then fought in derby on a dinner show.
Wayne walked through Saf Ahmed from Loughborough to win the British student title.
On the BUMAC circuit, there is no Welterweight division (Like i said Stupid weight divisions , but hey dont blame me, I dont write the rulebook :P)
Wayne weighs in at 67/68kg and so has to fight middleweight (-75kg) in the BUMAC:

He has fought the following in that division:
1. He lost to the finals against the highly rated KO specialist Julian Bramold from Marsdens.
Julian has only ever lost to Jospeh Fanous (AFK) and Hamza Majeid (Kurdistan).
2.He lost to Richard Mayo (Black dragons) again in the -75kg finals of the BUMAC.
3.He has beaten up and coming prospect Daniel Renshaw (Black Dragons)

Two more prospects there

Other names worth mentioning are:

Scott Sykes(SDF) , Amjed Shaffique (AFK)

Both of them have interesting fighting records. Coming soon when i have more time to type.

What????????????????????? Shame on you Farad, I've trained with Darren ( and Simon ) for nearly three years and he is one of the finest martial artists around. Funny thing is, I've never seen you get the upperhand on him when you've come down and trained at Marsden's All Style.
His loss to Lewis Stokes wasn't due to tired lungs, he was trying a change of tactic where you let the opponent give it their all and then come back at them (Mohammed Ali used it a great deal). Unfortunately for Daz, he didn't pull it off.
I think you should appologise for these derogatory comments as you might cause offense.

Long live Marsdens All Style ( Home of king Simon and wonderful Wayne Betts).

Darren Marsden :
The wily old veteran who forgot somewhere down the line to quit.
Darren Marsden first made his mark on sheffield's scene in the BUMAC event.
He holds a win over Paul Cropper(LAU GAR) (the fresh young novice who stopped Rik Veevers after his emphatic win over Simon marsden.).
Darren is fast, has accurate and powerful high kicks with good ringcraft and evasion skills.
Sadly his lungs are not what they used to be and that affects his work rate.
References to his loss to Lewis Stokes (Black Dragons)

ETOB
You have your opinion and are entitled to it.
My comments are not derogatory they are based on my experience as an official.
RE: me or darren getting better of the other, sparring is sparring. i.e. light controlled sparring is playing around which is a learning experience NOT a fight.
Now how can you use Mohammed Ali tactics in a single round light continuous bout???
:confused:
Your post there just showed your lack of understanding of the ringsport itself.

Now if you want to know who would win out of Lewis or Darren in a 3 rounder, Simon has my number and I can make things happen.

Mmmmm, sparring is playing around?

Why the protective head gear and gum shield when sparring then?

Is it just to look the part?

You could pull the Ali tactic off in one round. Let the opponent think you've got nothing and then bam, the ellement of surprise. Although I must agree it isn't a good tactic for one round when you've got to show everything you're capable of.

But I really do think you've been unfair with your comments about Daz.

Mmmmm, sparring is playing around?

Why the protective head gear and gum shield when sparring then?

Is it just to look the part?

You could pull the Ali tactic off in one round. Let the opponent think you've got nothing and then bam, the ellement of surprise. Although I must agree it isn't a good tactic for one round when you've got to show everything you're capable of.

But I really do think you've been unfair with your comments about Daz.

Sparring is sparring and fighting is fighting. End of!
I dont think im unfair about my comments of Darren.
What ever happened in that fight he lost. Fair enough about whatever you said but that didnt happen.
Now would you say that the outcome in a 3 round bout would be different?
Daz is a good martial artist but dont forget he is not 25 anymore (not being disrespectful just being truthful) and doesnt have the stamina of some of the younger fighters.
Now if he did, he would be competing on night shows as opposed to BUMAC tournament.
In fact in my heart of hearts, i think both of them are "overqualified" to be fighting at that level.
Myself and Claude from black dragons only enter novices in that tournament then have them step up for the night shows after having a taste of the mat.

RE: sparring is sparring and fighting is fighting.end of!

If you can't give a good account of yourself sparring, then you've nothing to offer full contact fighting. end of! end of!

Daz and Si have been training for 25 years, they've been there and got the
T-shirt. They've been in tournaments all over the country, and won more medals and trophies than Man Utd, Arsenal and Rangers put together. Their Martial Arts is now focused on instructing, they both have families with full time jobs and still find time to hold five classes a week. True dedication. They don't need to do fight nights, they've nothing left to prove.
As for BUMAC, that's their once a year blow out in their busy schedule where they can dust off the cobwebs and introduce members of Marsdens to the MAT.
I not having a go at you Farad, I think you're alright, but i'm sticking up for my instructor and friend who I think has been bad mouthed on this forum!

RE: sparring is sparring and fighting is fighting.end of!

If you can't give a good account of yourself sparring, then you've nothing to offer full contact fighting. end of! end of!

Daz and Si have been training for 25 years, they've been there and got the
T-shirt. They've been in tournaments all over the country, and won more medals and trophies than Man Utd, Arsenal and Rangers put together. Their Martial Arts is now focused on instructing, they both have families with full time jobs and still find time to hold five classes a week. True dedication. They don't need to do fight nights, they've nothing left to prove.
As for BUMAC, that's their once a year blow out in their busy schedule where they can dust off the cobwebs and introduce members of Marsdens to the MAT.
I not having a go at you Farad, I think you're alright, but i'm sticking up for my instructor and friend who I think has been bad mouthed on this forum!

There you go youve gone and contradicted yourself again :P
LOL
Now you you say that

1. Im badmouthing Daz
= Load of crap. Daz lost to Lewis Stokes FACT ,
If the fight were to take place in the ring under full contact or K-1 style rules, the result would be same in my opinion.

Now this is about sheffields kickboxing scene. Daz fights on the scene and his wins and losses have been detailed here as they have happened.
Now i personally think that with my knowledge of the scene , of the rules and of reffing/judging and promoting im a little more qualified than you (whoever you are but your ill informed and misjudged statements dont do you any favours :P) on where the fighters stand.

2. You make it seem as if "Daz always gets the better of me in sparring" ok if thats your opinion, not forgetting that hes your instructor so you are obviously biased :hihi:
Also shows your lack of understanding of the sport.
When me and Daz spar we always spar at a relaxed pace and spar for the development of each others skills we dont compete against each other for your information .
LOL
Remind me not to let you do any officialing as you clearly dont understand the sport and belong in karate not kickboxing. Hence why you mention how they have won more medals and trophies than ManU , Arsenal and Rangers put together. Referring to Karate perhaps?

3. Now that you think youre equipped to badmouth ME, then why not do it without hiding behind some unknown name. While youre at it, what are YOUR credentials in KICKBOXING (not karate) ?

4. You want to carry on bickering , (which is what you enjoy doing) this forum wont tolerate bickering.
Get onto this forum
www.sheffieldkickboxingclub.com
You can bicker all you want there, while youre at it lets have your name (REAL one please) weight and experience so that I can match you up for February the 16th too.

REAL NAME: CRAIG WALKER

I asked to fight in last September's fight night, but you couldn't match me up to anyone of my weight and experience!

I HIDE BEHIND NOBODY!

I'm not badmouthing you or bickering, the last sentence in my last post states my purpose on this forum. You've said your opinion and I've said mine. As for the rest of it - LMFAO.

There will be no more replies from me, nothing else to say

Peace out man!!!!!

REAL NAME: CRAIG WALKER

I asked to fight in last September's fight night, but you couldn't match me up to anyone of my weight and experience!

I HIDE BEHIND NOBODY!

I'm not badmouthing you or bickering, the last sentence in my last post states my purpose on this forum. You've said your opinion and I've said mine. As for the rest of it - LMFAO.

There will be no more replies from me, nothing else to say

Peace out man!!!!!

Yes I know who you are, I would have loved to match you up with one of our middleweights but I was told that you werent ready or wasnt "up for it" .
If you are a real warrior (as opposed to a keyboard one) then the offer still stands.

I was going to make a new thread but came across this one.

Sheffields current kickboxing scene

Well done to whoever promoted the kickboxing show last sunday at the Octagon centre

it was a cracking event with some great fights on, i went to support one of the MMA lads (who won by the way) but was very impressed with the kickboxing fights..

The MC mentioned about another show on the 3rd april at the same venue so cant wait for that.

The MC mentioned all the Sheffield clubs that had supported the event in one way or another and its good to see so many kickboxing clubs working together.

These guys that promote shows like this at such prestigious venues are doing wonders for the reputation of Sheffield as a kickboxing / thaiboxing city.

Any way I wanted to say well done lads keep up the good work !!

I was going to make a new thread but came across this one.

Sheffields current kickboxing scene

Well done to whoever promoted the kickboxing show last sunday at the Octagon centre

it was a cracking event with some great fights on, i went to support one of the MMA lads (who won by the way) but was very impressed with the kickboxing fights..

The MC mentioned about another show on the 3rd april at the same venue so cant wait for that.

The MC mentioned all the Sheffield clubs that had supported the event in one way or another and its good to see so many kickboxing clubs working together.

These guys that promote shows like this at such prestigious venues are doing wonders for the reputation of Sheffield as a kickboxing / thaiboxing city.

Any way I wanted to say well done lads keep up the good work !!

Wasnt this the same show where all kinds of crap were fighting for some sort of "british title" :confused: . The MMA fight was the one where someone got disqualified for a football kick on the floor? The lads who came to support the doorman who was fighting thought the kickboxing on the show was awful.

Wasnt this the same show where all kinds of crap were fighting for some sort of "british title" :confused: . The MMA fight was the one where someone got disqualified for a football kick on the floor? The lads who came to support the doorman who was fighting thought the kickboxing on the show was awful.

Can't of been then, the show I went to was pretty good.

Talking about Sheffield's Kickboxing scene , its all about the AFK SUPERLEAGUE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vamk9xOmaUQ

See the highlight reel for yourself then judge ;)

Most of Sheffield's better kickboxers will fight in the SUPERLEAGUE.
It makes sense that a fighter who truly is SUPERLEAGUE chooses to fight in the SUPERLEAGUE

RE: sparring is sparring and fighting is fighting.end of!

If you can't give a good account of yourself sparring, then you've nothing to offer full contact fighting. end of! end of!

Daz and Si have been training for 25 years, they've been there and got the
T-shirt. They've been in tournaments all over the country, and won more medals and trophies than Man Utd, Arsenal and Rangers put together. Their Martial Arts is now focused on instructing, they both have families with full time jobs and still find time to hold five classes a week. True dedication. They don't need to do fight nights, they've nothing left to prove.
As for BUMAC, that's their once a year blow out in their busy schedule where they can dust off the cobwebs and introduce members of Marsdens to the MAT.
I not having a go at you Farad, I think you're alright, but i'm sticking up for my instructor and friend who I think has been bad mouthed on this forum!

I used to train with Si Daz and wayne years ago Just as they were changing from Traditional Yosikan karate to a kickboxing club. Si and Daz are great guys who have taught me a lot.

I haven't done stand up for a while but Im glad to see Marsdens all Style still going strong. There are a lot of martial artists I know in Sheffield that are v good at various martial arts but dont compete. I find it unfair to Judge peoples ability from what is seen in the ring.

How you train is a better indication in my eyes.

Harry

I was going to make a new thread but came across this one.

Sheffields current kickboxing scene

Well done to whoever promoted the kickboxing show last sunday at the Octagon centre

it was a cracking event with some great fights on, i went to support one of the MMA lads (who won by the way) but was very impressed with the kickboxing fights..

The MC mentioned about another show on the 3rd april at the same venue so cant wait for that.

The MC mentioned all the Sheffield clubs that had supported the event in one way or another and its good to see so many kickboxing clubs working together.

These guys that promote shows like this at such prestigious venues are doing wonders for the reputation of Sheffield as a kickboxing / thaiboxing city.

Any way I wanted to say well done lads keep up the good work !!

LOL at Spider66's hidden agenda. Youre so see through you are virtually transparent.

Do you often stay up till the early hours of sunday morning trolling through the forum looking for my posts LMFAO.

You realy need to get a life, you must have a realy boring home life, i mean the amaount of time you spend trolling the forum and posting stupid remarks is embarrasing, if this is how so called instructors behave on Sheffields kickboxing scene then i am gald i dont take part..

Do you often stay up till the early hours of sunday morning trolling through the forum looking for my posts LMFAO.

You realy need to get a life, you must have a realy boring home life, i mean the amaount of time you spend trolling the forum and posting stupid remarks is embarrasing, if this is how so called instructors behave on Sheffields kickboxing scene then i am gald i dont take part..

I was online anyway so I thought id give you a taste of your own medicine.
With regard to your "non participation" , well we all know better dont we.
:hihi:

Here is an example of some of the Sheffield's best Kickboxing prospects in preparation for the AFK Superleague!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbGQL2bmomk

please could you post details of the club in this thread http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=756534

i'm trying to get one big directory for martial arts and get it made sticky for everyones use

Sheffield's kickboxing scene continues ,....

Saturday 28th May

Saturday 23rd JULY = Commonwealth Title fight !!!

Saturday November 19th !!!

All fight nights at Skate Central, Queens Road
Near B&Q and above G-Casino

07775 914155 for tickets.

Yes The Kickboxing scene has never been busier

www.showdowneventssheffield.co.uk

check the new site out for showdown events

next show is 6th November i believe or so the site says