Your thoughts please? ;)

(info: http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=852340 )

Originally posted by t020
Your thoughts please? ;)
No map provided, so I've thrown one together at http://www.mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview/per1.htm

The figure for East Ecclesfield is wrong. BC quote 10,665; it should be 14,193-ish.

Penistone - looks sensible and logical

South-East - looks sensible and logical

Brightside/Hallam/Heeley/Central - eh? Hmmm. Let's spread across these huge valleys...

I'll be putting together a submission, like I did with the Local Review. Consultation only runs for six weeks! Closes on 29th October.

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Hmm, Stannington ward becoming part of Hallam? Interesting.

I wonder how this will affect Hallam's make-up - i.e. its claim to have the highest proportion of professionals in any constituency and the most affluent constituents outside London.

I don't think that many of us who live there really care about that much.

Can't see it making a difference to which MP gets in, but I can see the Conservatives getting further and further away from regaining the seat once Stannington is included.

The Hallam seat looks safe for Nick Clegg (http://www.nickclegg.org) and the Lib-Dems.

I don't see any differences... MPs will still vaguely do their job...

One thing strikes me though:
SHEFFIELD, BRIGHTSIDE AND HILLSBOROUGH - Burngreave, Firth Park, Hillsborough, Shiregreen and Brightside, Southey.
SHEFFIELD CENTRAL - Broomhill, Central, Crookes, Nether Edge, Walkley.
SHEFFIELD, HALLAM - Beauchief and Greenhill, Dore and Totley, Ecclesall, Fulwood, Stannington.
SHEFFIELD, HEELEY - Arbourthorne, Darnall, Gleadless Valley, Graves Park, Manor Castle.
SHEFFIELD SOUTH EAST - Beighton, Birley, Mosborough, Richmond, Woodhouse.

There are aprts of Sheffield missing ! What if you live in Sheffield but aren't in tha tlist of area, does that mean they won't let you vote anymore ;) (lol) ?

:loopy:

Well, all of Bradway is still in Sheffield Hallam... Hallam looks unchanged actually.

The issue in Bradway is the council wards rather than the MP constituncies. Bradway has 2 councillors - Upper Bradway has been hived off into Greenhill & Beachief ward, with the rest of Bradway in Dore & Totley ward. This has resulted in the council's area panel arranging a meeting that involved the Bradway action group to discuss Bradway issues, but only inviting those residents that fall into the Dore & Totley bit - those Bradway residents in the Greenhill & Beachief bit were not invited.

I'm sure some faceless person in whitehall just shut his eyes and drew a line on the map, judging by the total disregard shown for the communities involved.

Captain_s, the ones missing are Stocksbridge, East Ecclesfield and West Ecclesfield which will be going into the new Pensitone & Stocksbridge County Constituency together with wards which are currently in Barnsley.

Andy, Hallam gains Stannington but loses Broomhill and Crookes.

So does that mean Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge becomes part of Barnsley?

Originally posted by Andy C
So does that mean Ecclesfield and Stocksbridge becomes part of Barnsley?

No, they will still be part of Sheffield City and elect councillors to Sheffield City Council.

Eh? Stannington part of Hallam?! So does this mean we lose our S6 postcode? :confused:

Personally I can't see any major changes really. Hallam remains virtually unchanged, but instead of Crookes we will have the rural part of Stannington. The other constituencies also look vaguely familiar, and Penistone & Stocksbridge probably makes more sense.


Tony - I can't see how the Conservatives will lose ground because of this change. In all probability they will probably make gains due to (a) Richard Allan stepping down and (b) losing all those lefty lib dem students/young pros in Crookes. As for being bothered about the % professional thing, I think it's good that Sheffield has positive recognition for something, and I would think most people do. Losing the reputation would lose some of the appeal to outsiders moving into the area, as well as the regular press coverage. However these changes will have little or no effect.

t020, I agree with (virtually) everything that you say - I was merely pointing out the nuances that I detected from my point of view.

I do think that Richard Allen has a premier league replacement in Nick Clegg though, so I can't see that having any real effect once they get out on the campaign trail.

It should be business as usual, which is really how it should be.

Originally posted by Rich
Eh? Stannington part of Hallam?! So does this mean we lose our S6 postcode? :confused:

Stannington is in the POSTAL CODE area of Sheffield 6 therefore it has a post code of S6. It is now in Hillsborough Constituency but when the changes come into effect it will be in Hallam Constituency. Hallam Constituency currently holds areas with the post codes of S8, S7, S10, S11, S17 and perhaps others. So you can see the boundaries of postal code areas and constituencies do not always coincide.

Originally posted by t020
Hallam remains virtually unchanged, but instead of Crookes we will have the rural part of Stannington.

According to the report the whole of Stannington ward is going into Hallam, not just the rural parts. This will include everything from Stannington down to Malin Bridge which, as Tony states, is more likely to be lib-dem, and labour, than tory.


David Walton BAKER Liberal Democrat 2341
Arthur DUNWORTH Liberal Democrat 2700
Graham Edwin FAWLEY The Labour Party Candidate 1977
Leslie FIRTH The Conservative Party Candidate 1138
Andrew GABBITAS The Conservative Party Candidate 1368
Michael Jan MAAS Green Party 894
Timothy MOFFATT The Conservative Party Candidate 1308
Vickie PRIESTLEY Liberal Democrat 2578_
John WEBSTER The Labour Party Candidate 1595
Steven WILSON The Labour Party Candidate 1556

Originally posted by max
Captain_s, the ones missing are Stocksbridge, East Ecclesfield and West Ecclesfield which will be going into the new Pensitone & Stocksbridge County Constituency together with wards which are currently in Barnsley.

Sure, but I was refering to where I lived which is nowhere to be seen...

It loks like Bradway is in Hallam ward, but that too was forgotten in the list...

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Sure, but I was refering to where I lived which is nowhere to be seen...

It loks like Bradway is in Hallam ward, but that too was forgotten in the list...

There is no longer a Hallam ward, that went in the re-organisation of ward boundaries earlier this year. Bradway is now partly in Beauchief & Greenhill and partly in Dore & Totley wards.

Originally posted by max
There is no longer a Hallam ward, that went in the re-organisation of ward boundaries earlier this year. Bradway is now partly in Beauchief & Greenhill and partly in Dore & Totley wards.

that's what http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewA...rticleID=852340 says.

What do you say then if it's not a ward ?

Good news - it looks like Stannington has been placed in Sheffield Hallam. We are obviously going up in the world.:D

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Good news - it looks like Stannington has been placed in Sheffield Hallam. We are obviously going up in the world.:D

The bad news is you'll be losing an extremely able MP.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
that's what http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewA...rticleID=852340 says.

What do you say then if it's not a ward ?

Hallam CONSTITUENCY, not ward. Constituencies are parliamentary seats made up of several wards. The wards are council seats for local elections.

Originally posted by max

According to the report the whole of Stannington ward is going into Hallam, not just the rural parts. This will include everything from Stannington down to Malin Bridge which, as Tony states, is more likely to be lib-dem, and labour, than tory.

Yes but by losing Crookes and Broomhill we're losing lib dem votes, replacing them with the lib dem votes from Stannington. Therefore I can't really see the boundary change effecting things too much, but I think Richard Allan stepping down may allow the Tories to close the gap on the Lib Dems.

A few points:

Constituencies must be built out of whole wards. Everybody who made a submission to the *ward* review recognised that and plumped for 28 wards to make arranging Sheffield into 5.5 contituencies easier.

All the documentation will list component *wards*, not component comminities, neighbourhoods, districts, etc. That's why, for example, "Bradway" doesn't appear in any list. Bradway isn't a ward.

Constituency reorganisation does *not* effect postcodes, school catchments areas, telephone codes, local authority boundaries or anything else. It is purely and only arranging how what bits of geography are represented in Parliament. Stocksbridge will still be within Sheffield District and Penistone will still be within Barnsley District.

Anybody can make comments to the Boundary Commission by 29th October.

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Originally posted by t020
I think Richard Allan stepping down may allow the Tories to close the gap on the Lib Dems.
There is certainly an opportunity, but having met Nick Clegg a couple of times I think he will fill the very capable Richard Allen's shoes extremely well indeed.

I've finished and sent off my submission to the Boundary Commission. It is available at http://www.mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview/Submission/ if anybody's interested.

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It looks OK but can Sheffield Hallam swap Nether Edge for Beauchief?

Originally posted by t020
It looks OK but can Sheffield Hallam swap Nether Edge for Beauchief?
I didn't start from a position of swapping bits around, but from the position of recognising the strong boundaries formed by the valleys and fitting the constituencies into them.
The report compares with the initial Boundary Commission report as they expect you to compare your proposal to theirs and explain how yours is a better solution to theirs.
I'd be the first to admit my proposal isn't perfect, but I believe it is the nearest to perfection possible within the rules required, and a better solution that the BC proposal.

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Originally posted by jgharston
No map provided, so I've thrown one together at http://www.mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview/per1.htm



Is the idea to make sure each ward has roughly the same number of voters ?

Beauchief to Hallam instead of Nether Edge? A bit of gerrymandering for the Tories never went amiss, eh?
I don't whink it would help though. People vore LibDem in Hallam not only because of Richard Allen, but because it's part of a general trend away from a regional Southern English party *lol*

What isn't mentioned in the Star is the removal of Burngreave from Central to Brightside. Nothing special in terms of party prospects, though.

Shouldn't the word Sheffield be included in the name for Stocksbridge and Penistone constituency?

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
I don't see any differences... MPs will still vaguely do their job...

One thing strikes me though:
SHEFFIELD, BRIGHTSIDE AND HILLSBOROUGH - Burngreave, Firth Park, Hillsborough, Shiregreen and Brightside, Southey.
SHEFFIELD CENTRAL - Broomhill, Central, Crookes, Nether Edge, Walkley.
SHEFFIELD, HALLAM - Beauchief and Greenhill, Dore and Totley, Ecclesall, Fulwood, Stannington.
SHEFFIELD, HEELEY - Arbourthorne, Darnall, Gleadless Valley, Graves Park, Manor Castle.
SHEFFIELD SOUTH EAST - Beighton, Birley, Mosborough, Richmond, Woodhouse.

There are aprts of Sheffield missing ! What if you live in Sheffield but aren't in tha tlist of area, does that mean they won't let you vote anymore ;) (lol) ?

:loopy:

So they're bunging Stannington in with Eccleshall as part of Hallam?!

Looking at the wards making up the Central constituency
Broomhill, Central, Crookes, Nether Edge, Walkley means Richard Caborn will have a fight on his hands to retain the seat.

If you look at the Local Election results from 2004 (where Labour kept control of the council) the cumulated results for the 5 wards were:

Liberal Democrat 41.22%
Labour Party 28.24%
Green Party 15.92%
Conservative Party 14.61%.

Of course, it's always tricky taking local election results and transferring them to general elections, but with Burngreave moved to Brightside and the old Sharrow ward having disappeared, I wouldn't be surprised if Sheffield got two LibDem MPs after the next election.

With the break up of the old Hillsborough contituency, with Hillsborough going to Brightside and the rest going together with Penistine, it's probable that the new Penistone and Stocksbridge seat will be up for grabs. Here the local election results for the proposed Penistone and Stocksbridge constituency (based on the results for East and West Ecclesfield, Stocksbridge and Upper Don, Dodworth, East and West Pensitone wards):

Labour 33.05%
Liberal Democrat 31.05%
Conservative 21.03%
Independent 9.64%
Green Party 2.63%
BNP 2.61%

If you interpret independent as Tories, then here's a possible three way marginal, making politics in South Yorskhire very interesting!

Originally posted by nick2
Is the idea to make sure each ward has roughly the same number of voters ?
No, the requirement is to make sure each has roughly the same number of electors.

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The Boundary Commission for England have announced the Local Enquiry on the proposed new Parliamentary boundaries in South Yorkshire. There was only one adverse comment on the proposed Doncaster boundaries, so the Commission have adopted the draft as their final recommendation.

The Enquiry will cover the Parliamentary boundaries within the area covered by Sheffield CC, Barnsley MBC and Rotherham MBC. The Enquiry will start at 10am, Tuesday 15th March in the Council Chamber of Sheffield Town Hall.

I have put together a summary of the full proposals and the partial proposals on my website at http://www.mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview

As I pointed out before, constituencies must be built out of whole wards, consequently, all the documentation lists component *wards*, not component communities, neighbourhoods, districts, etc. That's why, for example, "Bradway" doesn't appear in any list. Bradway isn't a ward.

Constituency reorganisation does *not* effect postcodes, school catchments areas, telephone codes, local authority boundaries or anything else. It is purely and only arranging how what bits of geography are represented in Parliament. Stocksbridge will still be within Sheffield District and Penistone will still be within Barnsley District.

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For those of us living in Bradway it gets better then! Not only is the community split into two wards for the council elections, it is also split into two parliamentary constituencies - Hallam and Heeley!

I wonder if this reorganisation will affect Hallam's much-vaunted status as a) the constituency with the most highly-qualified residents, and b) the most affluent constituency outside London.

In another thread, Mo said:
Is it the same for Normanton Springs which was taken out of the old Handsworth ward (now Woodhouse Ward) and moved into Richmond. In local elections the area is in Richmond ie Heeley Constiuency but in the General Election it is still in Attercliffe? So it has a set of councillors from one constituency and an MP from another :loopy:
Richmond *isn't* in Heeley constituency. The constituency boundaries *haven't* changed yet, so almost all the wards in the city overlap constituency boundaries. This is inevitable, as:
1) wards have to be the same size
2) constituencies have to be the same size
3) constituencies have to be built out of a *whole number* of wards, not the other way round
4) constituency reviews are done *after* ward reviews.

So, after a ward review, which we had last year, you have a couple of years where the wards and constituencies don't match up. The same thing happened in the late 1960s.

Taking Richmond, *parts* of it are in Attercliffe constituency, parts in Heeley constituency, and about four houses at Manor Top in Central constituency.

Don't fret about it. It only happens about once every 30 years or so. It'll all be back to unsplit wards be the next General Election.

The Boundary Commission have published their final recommendations for new parliamentary constituencies in South Yorkshire. The full documents are available at http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pbc/review_areas/South_Yorkshire_boroughs/sheffield.asp

I have put together my usual summary map at http://mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics/ParlReview

In summary, each constituency in Sheffield is comprised of the following council wards:

Sheffield Central Constituency:
Broomhill
Central
Manor & Castle
Nether Edge
Walkley

Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough Constituency:
Burngreave
Firth Park
Hillsborough
Shiregreen & Brightside
Southey

Sheffield Hallam Constituency:
Crookes
Dore & Totley
Ecclesall
Fulwood
Stannington

Sheffield Heeley Constituency:
Arbourthorne
Beauchief & Greenhill
Gleadless Valley
Graves Park
Richmond

Penistone & Stocksbridge Constituency:
East Ecclesfield
Stocksbridge & Upper Don
West Ecclesfield
Dodworth (Barnsley MBC)
Penistone East (Barnsley MBC)
Penistone West (Barnsley MBC)

Sheffield South-East Contituency:
Beighton
Birley
Mosborough
Darnall
Woodhouse

Thanks jgharston for the update. The new boundaries for the Sheffield Heeley parliamentary constituency appear logical and sensible.

So Broomhill moves from Hallam to join Manor and Castle in Central, whilst Hallam gains Stannington as a replacement?

That's going to make a bugger of the 'Hallam - wealthiest constituency outside London' figures that Sheffield is so proud of.

Originally posted by Tony
So Broomhill moves from Hallam to join Manor and Castle in Central, whilst Hallam gains Stannington as a replacement?

That's going to make a bugger of the 'Hallam - wealthiest constituency outside London' figures that Sheffield is so proud of.

Damn. :mad:

Originally posted by jgharston
[B]
1) Walkley

2) Crookes

3) Sheffield South-East Contituency:


1 - Wasn't this in Hillsborough constituency?

2 - Wasn't this in Central constituency?

3 - This is the new name for Darnall constituency, is it?

:)

1 - Wasn't this in Hillsborough constituency?
Yes I believe so

2 - Wasn't this in Central constituency?
I believe it was in Hallam

3 - This is the new name for Darnall constituency, is it?
Yes, but it used to be called Attercliffe, not Darnall

Originally posted by Andy
1 - Wasn't this in Hillsborough constituency?
Yes I believe so

2 - Wasn't this in Central constituency?
I believe it was in Hallam

3 - This is the new name for Darnall constituency, is it?
Yes, but it used to be called Attercliffe, not Darnall

Cheers, Santa!

Best dust the Christmas lights off - :D

Originally written by Max: "There is no longer a Hallam ward, that went in the re-organisation of ward boundaries earlier this year. Bradway is now partly in Beauchief & Greenhill and partly in Dore & Totley wards."

Yes, this is similar to there being a Heeley ward, but now it is only a constituency - Heeley district I believe is in the Graves Park or Gleadlees Valley ward.

:)

Err, where did I write that? :confused:

So is part of Sheffield going to become part of Barnsley?

Originally posted by Tony
Err, where did I write that? :confused:

Looks like I meant Max - oops - sorry!

:help: :loopy: :)

Originally posted by Paddy123
So is part of Sheffield going to become part of Barnsley?
No, this is *constitiuency* boundaries only. A constituency that contains parts of Sheffield and pats of Barnsley no more puts all of that constituency in one district that the fact that the current Barnsley East constituency containing parts of Rotherham MBC means that that bit of Barnsley East constituency is in Barnsley.

Originally posted by kentboy119
1 - Wasn't this in Hillsborough constituency?


All the old Walkley was in Hillsborough Constituency. Most of the new Walkley is in the current Hillsborough Constituency, about a third is in Central and about 10% is in Brightside.


2 - Wasn't this in Central constituency?


The new Crookes ward is the first ever of that name. Most of it is in the current Hallam Constituenct, about a third is in Central and about 10% is in Hillsborough.


3 - This is the new name for Darnall constituency, is it?


There isn't a Darnall Constituency, there's a Darnall Ward. All the old Darnall ward was in the current Attercliffe Constituency. Most of the new Darnall ward is in the current Attercliffe Constituency, about 15% is in central. The new Darnall ward will end up in the new Sheffield South East Constituency.

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Originally posted by jgharston
All the old Walkley was in Hillsborough Constituency. Most of the new Walkley is in the current Hillsborough Constituency, about a third is in Central and about 10% is in Brightside.



The new Crookes ward is the first ever of that name. Most of it is in the current Hallam Constituenct, about a third is in Central and about 10% is in Hillsborough.



There isn't a Darnall Constituency, there's a Darnall Ward. All the old Darnall ward was in the current Attercliffe Constituency. Most of the new Darnall ward is in the current Attercliffe Constituency, about 15% is in central. The new Darnall ward will end up in the new Sheffield South East Constituency.



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Ah - clear as mud now. Surely Hallam (constit.) residents do not like having Crookes in Hallam, as, as nice as it is, most of its resident are Independent-reading-long-shaggy-hair-students? (Who will not vote Conservative.)

Cheers, ;)

Originally posted by kentboy119
Ah - clear as mud now. Surely Hallam (constit.) residents do not like having Crookes in Hallam, as, as nice as it is, most of its resident are Independent-reading-long-shaggy-hair-students? (Who will not vote Conservative.)
Cheers, ;)
About a third of the Crookes Ward is Crosspool; I don't think the proportion of hairy cornflakes there is very high :).

I've read through the Boundary Commission's report, all 200 pages of it! I have concluded that they have ignored the large amount of evidence presented at the Local Enquiry that Burngreave should be in Sheffield Central and that Stannington should not be in Sheffield Hallam.
I have written up my comments to submit to the Commission as http://mdfs.net/per. Anybody is welcome to quote from it. Comments must be submitted to the Commission before 31st October 2005.
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sorry jgharston to ask at this late stage - but why are they changing things round again?

it wasnt that long ago that boundaries were changed was it?

Originally posted by empea
sorry jgharston to ask at this late stage - but why are they changing things round again?

it wasnt that long ago that boundaries were changed was it?

The constituency boundaries were last changed in 1993 and came into effect in 1997. They were based on wards with very unevenly matched populations. The last time ward boundaries were changed to even up the populations was in 1979, coming into effect in 1980.

We had a ward boundary review in 2003 which came into effect in 2004, so, as contituencies have to be built out of whole numbers of wards, and the constituencies have very uneven populations anyway, a ward review is always followed by a constituency review. The 1980 ward review was followed by the 1983 constituency review.

So, we are now in the final stage of the constituency review that is following on from last year's ward review.

Ward and constituency review information at http://mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Politics

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Just wondered if this is still happening?
There appears to be nothing about South Yorkshire here:

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/index.html