Our fine council have decided that us fine citizens should not be allowed to park for free in our fine city centre after 6.30pm. We will now be charged up untill 8.30pm. *

I think this will hit the restaurants mostly which struggle anyway in Sheffield centre.

Why dont the council just gate off the city centre between say 6pm and 8am to stop us troublesome citizens tresspassing.

*Sheffield Star today

Why dont the council just gate off the city centre between say 6pm and 8am to stop us troublesome citizens tresspassing.

*Sheffield Star today

It's not that they don't want you there, they just want to screw you for every penny they can!! I bet the traffic wardens are on extended shifts to make the most of it too.

Our fine council have decided that us fine citizens should not be allowed to park for free in our fine city centre after 6.30pm. We will now be charged up untill 8.30pm. *

I think this will hit the restaurants mostly which struggle anyway in Sheffield centre.

Why dont the council just gate off the city centre between say 6pm and 8am to stop us troublesome citizens tresspassing.

*Sheffield Star today

This refers to on-street pay and display bays only, and brings them in line with off-street car parks, which have charged up to 20.30 for many years. The off-street car parks in the central area still seem pretty popular in the evening, so there are plenty of people prepared to pay to park.

You will of course still be able to park for free on single yellow lines after 18.30.

It's not that they don't want you there, they just want to screw you for every penny they can!! I bet the traffic wardens are on extended shifts to make the most of it too.

The parking attendants work till 20.30 anyway to enforce the off street car parks which have charged untill that time for many years.

I wonder if I can ask a question about parking while Planner1 is online?

regarding the the new residents/pay& display areas in the streets near the botantical gardens in particular. Some boxes say you can pay and display at a machine and some only have a sign saying they are for residents. Am I right in thinking I can park in either as long as I pay for a pay&display ticket?

I live in the city centre and parking is a nightmare anyway, it can take me up to 45 minutes to get parked, they should build the facilities to go with so many flats coming on the market. If they want the city centre of the future they should give it the infastructure to support itself..... o.k. rant over

I live in the city centre and parking is a nightmare anyway, it can take me up to 45 minutes to get parked, they should build the facilities to go with so many flats coming on the market. If they want the city centre of the future they should give it the infastructure to support itself..... o.k. rant over


If you live in the city centre, you don't need a car. In fact, part of the whole POINT of moving back to a city-centre-living philosophy, was that it meant people don't have to travel and won't need cars.

This refers to on-street pay and display bays only, and brings them in line with off-street car parks, which have charged up to 20.30 for many years. The off-street car parks in the central area still seem pretty popular in the evening, so there are plenty of people prepared to pay to park.

You will of course still be able to park for free on single yellow lines after 18.30.


'bringing it into line' - ? . Is there any need to? Why not charge NCP prices and bring it into line with them. Or London parking prices- bring it into line with London.

Are people prepared to pay or are they forced to? May as well pay 3 quid to park rather than get a bus for the same money. Why not have a parking attendant at the entrance to each parking lot and see how much each driver would be 'prepared to pay' to park , and charge them that amount. Then you can be sure maximum revenue is being generated and the good people of sheffield are not getting antwhere close to a good deal.

I live in the city centre and parking is a nightmare anyway,


blimey, who'd have thought that?

This refers to on-street pay and display bays only, and brings them in line with off-street car parks, which have charged up to 20.30 for many years. The off-street car parks in the central area still seem pretty popular in the evening, so there are plenty of people prepared to pay to park.

And, surprise surprise, it just happens to bring in more revenue for the council.

So why not bring the off street car parks in line with the on street bays instead, and then the parking wardens could go home two hours earlier?

And, surprise surprise, it just happens to bring in more revenue for the council.

Planner1 has used the phrase "fly-parking" which sums up the council's stance. I think a lot of us take exception to that attitude.

If you live in the city centre, you don't need a car. In fact, part of the whole POINT of moving back to a city-centre-living philosophy, was that it meant people don't have to travel and won't need cars.

What about all the inner city apartments with parking spaces, what are you supposed to use those for? Until it becomes illegal to own and run a car if you live in the City Centre this Sheffield ratepayer has the same rights as everyone else albeit it being a bit strange to buy a flat without it's own parking whilst owning a car.

Planner1 has used the phrase "fly-parking" which sums up the council's stance. I think a lot of us take exception to that attitude.
Yep, great expression innit? Fly-tipping, fly-posting, fly-by night, fly-running the council.

So why not bring the off street car parks in line with the on street bays instead, and then the parking wardens could go home two hours earlier?


and the coulcil would save money from their wages!!!!!!

The council planning is just crap!

Just look at the new ringroad thats being built.

I live in kelham island area and the area is being regenerated and the council have not allowed the planners to provide enough parking for the number of flats in the hope that less parking spaces will mean less cars....

what actually happens is people find other areas to park (usually blocking private drives etc):rant:

I thought they already charged up to 8.30??? Several years ago, on the one occasion I can think of when we parked my car on-street in town, we had to pay up to 8.30pm; I specifically checked the meter because my then-bloke said it was free, and it wasn't. It was a late-shopping Wednesday in the run-up to Xmas and by a few years ago, I'm talking at least 4.

Funny how I just don't take the car to town :rolleyes:

If you live in the city centre, you don't need a car. In fact, part of the whole POINT of moving back to a city-centre-living philosophy, was that it meant people don't have to travel and won't need cars.

Not so I'm afriad, and the reason why these developments will always fall short of the "plan". Living in the city centre gives you the opportunity to use a car less, but lets face it, almost everyone that buys a city centre appartment can afford to run a car. A car is often the best travel option, but what it might do is cut down on a driving commute.

Not so I'm afriad, and the reason why these developments will always fall short of the "plan". Living in the city centre gives you the opportunity to use a car less, but lets face it, almost everyone that buys a city centre appartment can afford to run a car. A car is often the best travel option, but what it might do is cut down on a driving commute.It cuts down on the commute but because most of them have car for when they are not working they still need to park them in town so in fact they cause a worse problem than those from out of town who may well come in by bus.

What about all the inner city apartments with parking spaces, what are you supposed to use those for? Until it becomes illegal to own and run a car if you live in the City Centre this Sheffield ratepayer has the same rights as everyone else albeit a bit strange to buy a flat without it's own parking whilst owning a car.I used to be able to get a parking permit as a resident of the city centre as I live in a convertion and we are maintaining one of the oldest buildings in Sheffield (Prudential Buildings on the peace gardens) Then when all the bulding starte they advised me that the permit was issued by mistake for 3 years and we now can pay on street prices along with everyone else???

And thanks to the others for pointing out that living in the city centre doesn't mean staying there at all times, I don't use my car for work but for social reasons, visting my folks who live on the very outskirts of Sheff

It cuts down on the commute but because most of them have car for when they are not working they still need to park them in town so in fact they cause a worse problem than those from out of town who may well come in by bus.

You're right - I hadn't thought of that.
The thing is, I think many of us are so fed up with driving and the costs of running a car, we'd happily get rid of it if there were actually decent alternatives. Driving is often just the least worst option, and all the plans seem to be only to make that option even worse....problem is that its going to take a lot of effort to make driving as bad as the alternatives.

There is clearly an agenda to extract as much money from us as possible, and that goes for central as well as local government. In some parts of S10 you can't even park for free on the road directly in front of your own drive.

The unfounded conclusion by this council that people are willing to pay to park until 8.30 pm does not mean that they are happy to do so. Frankly they have given us a disgrace of a city centre with very little to actually come into it for, never mind pay to do so.

If they want a nice little earner why don't they charge students say £2.00 per week council tax? This would give them a stake in the city that is educating them and give them a right to air their views on how the city is run, it would also bring in some £5 million per annum. Not politically correct comes to mind.

I recommend signs around the inner ring road which say:

"Sheffield City Council - We are an Anti-Car Council. DO NOT COME INTO THE CITY CENTRE DAY OR NIGHT IN YOUR CAR

No suitable alternative mode of transport available. Don't forget you can get a discount if you pay your council tax by direct debit. Oh bugger. The car-parks at Meadowhall are full again."

Whatever can we do to get customers back into the city centre. Yes? We envisage a vibrant nightlife once the Heart of The City is finished.

York's night life is still struggling due to the council imposing parking charges round the clock. Restaurants are really struggling and voluntary groups are in decline due to the cost of parking a car in the city centre.

Shame; I thought the city centre was headed in the right direction.

Silly me.

I have been in Sheffield for 7 years now and car parking is getting worse and worse. My son used to go to nursery on Scotland Street, it was a complete nightmare:-
-Redirected traffic from the ring road down Scotland Street. For some reason people thought they could drive a 50mph down a side street!
-Shut down a council car park on Broad Street for a new office block.
-Upped the charges on the machines.
-Closed a load of parking spaces for the building site. I used to laugh on the way to work, when seeings vans with signs in their windscreens saying "working in town". Never saw them get a ticket. I work in town, maybe I should have made my own sign.

The final insult was when I saw a parking attendent hiding behind a wall waiting for parents dropping their kids off and then jumping out to write a ticket! The nursery starting handing out windscreen signs, "Dropping kids off a Nursery"

Really good examples I have seen for car parking:-

1. Southend Hospital. If you go over the time on your car parking ticket, you get a notice. You go to the office and just pay the difference.

2. Limoges, The shops are shut between 12:00 and 14:00, if you buy a car parking ticket at 11:50 for an hour, and it will last until 14:50.

3. Denmark. You buy a clock that goes in your windscreen, not a real one, but like a childrens time teaching clock. When you park somewhere, you changes the hands to the time you got there. The stopping time allowed is advertised on signs, e.g.. 4 hours. If you go over, you get a ticket. Simple.

Stuart
www.nojoiningfee.co.uk

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3. Denmark. You buy a clock that goes in your windscreen, not a real one, but like a childrens time teaching clock. When you park somewhere, you changes the hands to the time you got there. The stopping time allowed is advertised on signs, e.g.. 4 hours. If you go over, you get a ticket. Simple.

They do that in Harrogate, I've got one.

[QUOTE=southend_Stu]I have been in Sheffield for 7 years now and car parking is getting worse and worse. My son used to go to nursery on Scotland Street, it was a complete nightmare:-
-Redirected traffic from the ring road down Scotland Street. For some reason people thought they could drive a 50mph down a side street!
-Shut down a council car park on Broad Street for a new office block.
-Upped the charges on the machines.
-Closed a load of parking spaces for the building site. I used to laugh on the way to work, when seeings vans with signs in their windscreens saying "working in town". Never saw them get a ticket. I work in town, maybe I should have made my own sign.

The final insult was when I saw a parking attendent hiding behind a wall waiting for parents dropping their kids off and then jumping out to write a ticket! The nursery starting handing out windscreen signs, "Dropping kids off a Nursery"

Really good examples I have seen for car parking:-

1. Southend Hospital. If you go over the time on your car parking ticket, you get a notice. You go to the office and just pay the difference.

2. Limoges, The shops are shut between 12:00 and 14:00, if you buy a car parking ticket at 11:50 for an hour, and it will last until 14:50.

3. Denmark. You buy a clock that goes in your windscreen, not a real one, but like a childrens time teaching clock. When you park somewhere, you changes the hands to the time you got there. The stopping time allowed is advertised on signs, e.g.. 4 hours. If you go over, you get a ticket. Simple.

Stuart

I think that parking in Harrogate and Ripon employ the parking disc system, or rather they did when I last went there, Its so much better than stupid parking meters which have to be emptied and maintained.
I do suppose it’s a job for someone if nothing else

edit darbees beat me too it

There is clearly an agenda to extract as much money from us as possible, and that goes for central as well as local government. In some parts of S10 you can't even park for free on the road directly in front of your own drive.
Parking in front a of drive is obstruction, leaving your vehicle liable to being removed.

Parking, as apposed to driving, on the public highway is permitted trespass. Nobody has any right to *park* on the public highway, only a right to *travel* on the public highway.

How exactly can you be obstructing your own driveway.

Our fine council have decided that us fine citizens should not be allowed to park for free in our fine city centre after 6.30pm. We will now be charged up untill 8.30pm. *

I think this will hit the restaurants mostly which struggle anyway in Sheffield centre.

Why dont the council just gate off the city centre between say 6pm and 8am to stop us troublesome citizens tresspassing.

*Sheffield Star today


Pff are they having a laugh... surely they cant charge, as its not even busy.

No one in there right mind will go for a meal in town now and pay to park.

Sheffield is the thieving city of the north.

Manchester gets free busses etc.... so unfair!!!

I wonder if I can ask a question about parking while Planner1 is online?

regarding the the new residents/pay& display areas in the streets near the botantical gardens in particular. Some boxes say you can pay and display at a machine and some only have a sign saying they are for residents. Am I right in thinking I can park in either as long as I pay for a pay&display ticket?

No. If it says residents only you can't park there unless you have a residents permit. There are specific bays where you can pay and display.

You will of course still be able to park for free on single yellow lines after 18.30.

As it's Panto time "OH NO YOU CAN'T". As you drive into the fair city of Sheffield there are signs at strategically hidden points that state you are entering a controlled zone (meter zone to the layman). If you park on single yellow lines within the "controlled times" now up until 8-30pm you will be liable to be ticketed.

Wonder how much its going to cost to change all the signs around the city?.

Well my gym might have lost a member as i always go after 630 when the parking is free,it will now pay me to go somewhere with free parking...nice one councillors.

Oh and a tip for you all,to avoid parking charges when you cross over from West St onto Glossop road take the first left after the bend and you can park for Free Sat/Sun as the permit restrictions dont apply i assume its the same in the evenings and you you can walk into town in 10 mins.

wot about sundays,
got a ticket last week
thought it was free on sundays
i.e. parking in cit;y centre

Only on street is free ...well for the moment!

I've just emailed my councillor for the first time ever as i feel that strongly about this issue.I suggest others do the same.

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/your-city-council/councillors

As it's Panto time "OH NO YOU CAN'T". As you drive into the fair city of Sheffield there are signs at strategically hidden points that state you are entering a controlled zone (meter zone to the layman). If you park on single yellow lines within the "controlled times" now up until 8-30pm you will be liable to be ticketed.

Wrong. If you read the report properly you'll see that the Council's Cabinet will not be considering this PROPOSAL (to charge for on-street pay & display till 20.30) till 13th December! So nothing has been agreed yet.

I asked the Council's Traffic Regulations Group today and was told they aren't changing the hours of operation of single yellow lines, so you'll still be able to park on them for free after 6.30pm

Will there be any yellow lines soon?
At the back of the City Hall all the single and double yellow lines have disapeared. People park there and then get a ticket.
I'm told this is also the case near the Theatres.

Funny how I just don't take the car to town :rolleyes:

Strangely enough, neither do I. Because of this, and the fact that I refuse to get there by any other means, neither my wallet, cheque book or credit cards ever make it to town either.

Perhaps if there were lots more like me, this God-forsaken apology for a council would be able to put up signs on all the City boundaries proclaiming 'WELCOME TO SHEFFIELD-SOCIALIST GHOST TOWN REPUBLIC OF THE NORTH'.

When the £££££££s stay away and the retailers and other businesses are leaving, maybe these jumped-up p**s-pots on the council might actually grow up and start living in the real world. That is the one where people do actually drive cars and pay dearly for the privilege.These same people are usually the ones who have a few quid in their pocket.

'bringing it into line' - ? . Is there any need to? Why not charge NCP prices and bring it into line with them. Or London parking prices- bring it into line with London.

Are people prepared to pay or are they forced to? May as well pay 3 quid to park rather than get a bus for the same money. Why not have a parking attendant at the entrance to each parking lot and see how much each driver would be 'prepared to pay' to park , and charge them that amount. Then you can be sure maximum revenue is being generated and the good people of sheffield are not getting antwhere close to a good deal.
Couldn't have put it better!!

Parking in front a of drive is obstruction, leaving your vehicle liable to being removed.

Parking, as apposed to driving, on the public highway is permitted trespass. Nobody has any right to *park* on the public highway, only a right to *travel* on the public highway.

Well that is the daftest post I have seen for ages, how can you obstruct yourself ? If you are interested in reality rather than obscurity I suggest that you investigate the new ticket system that is now in operation. I came across it when I visited a friend on Westbourne Road, noticing that his car was parked in his drive I 'obstructed' it by parking across his drive knowing that he wouldn't care less. He gave me a scratch card type ticket to hang from my interior mirror in order to save me from being fined, the book of tickets had cost him £50.00 just to protect family and friends from Parking Services. :confused:

Does anyone know if its true motorbikes don't have to pay for parking in those places? Heard it somewhere a while ago, can't remember where though.:huh:

Strangely enough, neither do I. Because of this, and the fact that I refuse to get there by any other means, neither my wallet, cheque book or credit cards ever make it to town either.

Perhaps if there were lots more like me, this God-forsaken apology for a council would be able to put up signs on all the City boundaries proclaiming 'WELCOME TO SHEFFIELD-SOCIALIST GHOST TOWN REPUBLIC OF THE NORTH'.

When the £££££££s stay away and the retailers and other businesses are leaving, maybe these jumped-up p**s-pots on the council might actually grow up and start living in the real world. That is the one where people do actually drive cars and pay dearly for the privilege.These same people are usually the ones who have a few quid in their pocket.

I think I've found my long lost brother (or sister).

Ripped off by central government; ripped off by local government.

It's no wonder the political parties are up to their eyebrows in debt.

There isn't a businessman or woman between them.

Does anyone know if its true motorbikes don't have to pay for parking in those places? Heard it somewhere a while ago, can't remember where though.:huh:Where would you put your ticket on a motorbike so it wasn't nicked? I have seen places where you put your reg number into the ticket machine and it is printed onto the ticket so theoretically it can't be used by anyone else. If Sheffield aren't doing this yet you can be sure they soon will be.

That leads onto the argument about transferring valid tickets to other people. I don't see why you can't give someone your ticket if it hasn't yet expired. If it costs say £1 an hour for a space, why should the council get more?

That leads onto the argument about transferring valid tickets to other people. I don't see why you can't give someone your ticket if it hasn't yet expired. If it costs say £1 an hour for a space, why should the council get more?

this guy is more eloquent than I am (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-2489919.html)

this guy is more eloquent than I am (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-2489919.html)I don't agree with that, I don't believe for one moment that the car park owner does anything but get the highest fee he can and the no transfer rule is simply a rip off.

this guy is more eloquent than I am (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-2489919.html)

The guy doesn't make any sound argument why you shouldn't pass on the parking ticket, other than that the carpark owner might raise prices to compensate.

i've just had a call from Miss Sixty - asking me not to pass my daughters old clothes on to a neighbours daughter, otherwise they'll have to increase prices to make up for the loss of a sale.

The guy doesn't make any sound argument why you shouldn't pass on the parking ticket, other than that the carpark owner might raise prices to compensate.

You want car park prices to go up even more? Go ahead. Won't bother me.

And they wonder why town is in the mess it’s in. If I can’t get to where I want, park and not get shafted while doing so, I’ll go else where. I’d suggest that if they do this, you should try to avoid town as much as possible. Don’t give the council your money if you can help it. I don’t, I’d rather give my money to NCP. Vote with your feet and go to Meadowhall, Crystal Peaks etc. or shop online. I don’t think there’s much in town that’s worth the hassle. You just spend your time dodging doleys, spongers, pensioners, druggies, drunks, people doing surveys, beggars and pick pockets. And after all that, all that’s there is pound shops and pubs. Until they start doing something to encourage normal people back it will stay like that.

And before anyone tells me to get the bus, have you tried carrying a widescreen telly, a full computer system or furniture home on the bus? I haven’t got a bus in years and don’t plan on starting again.

And they wonder why town is in the mess it’s in. If I can’t get to where I want, park and not get shafted while doing so, I’ll go else where. I’d suggest that if they do this, you should try to avoid town as much as possible. Don’t give the council your money if you can help it. I don’t, I’d rather give my money to NCP. Vote with your feet and go to Meadowhall, Crystal Peaks etc. or shop online. I don’t think there’s much in town that’s worth the hassle. You just spend your time dodging doleys, spongers, pensioners, druggies, drunks, people doing surveys, beggars and pick pockets. And after all that, all that’s there is pound shops and pubs. Until they start doing something to encourage normal people back it will stay like that.

And before anyone tells me to get the bus, have you tried carrying a widescreen telly, a full computer system or furniture home on the bus? I haven’t got a bus in years and don’t plan on starting again.


Well said my friend. The shops in town pale into insignificance against Meadowhalls offer. The parkings free, and as you say you dont have to dodge the undesirables. I imagine and hope that once all the new retail development starts in the city centre all the hardy town shoppers discover the delights of Meadowhall and never return to the dead duck that is Sheffield City Centre.

You just spend your time dodging doleys, spongers, pensioners, druggies, drunks, people doing surveys, beggars and pick pockets.

Nice to see pensioners included in your list of the low-life to be avoided in town, - you forgot chavs BTW, and there seems to be more of those than the rest combined.

You'll be staying out of town then, once you're a pensioner ? :P

Nice to see pensioners included in your list of the low-life to be avoided in town, - you forgot chavs BTW, and there seems to be more of those than the rest combined.

You'll be staying out of town then, once you're a pensioner ? :P

I knew I'd forgotten someone. Though they are covered by most of the above. I hope I'll avoid town in my twilight years. Why they all still go to the market is beyond me. It's a right dump that just sells crap.

You want car park prices to go up even more? Go ahead. Won't bother me.

No I think his argument is spurious and the consequences he predicts unlikely.

Well said my friend. The shops in town pale into insignificance against Meadowhalls offer. The parkings free, and as you say you dont have to dodge the undesirables.

The idea of meadowhall as a haven free of undesirables, what a joke.
Have you ever actually been there?

The idea of meadowhall as a haven free of undesirables, what a joke.
Have you ever actually been there?

I go there quite regularly and it's a lot better than town. At least you're safe and it's covered by CCTV with security guards around.

The idea of meadowhall as a haven free of undesirables, what a joke.
Have you ever actually been there?

I didnt say it was free of undesirables, merely that one doesnt have to dodge them, for they wont try any funny business as they know they are being watched.

You have to dodge them though. Not to avoid being robbed true, but to avoid their aimless wanderings.
Imagine them, they have just £1.50 and a stolen phone to their tracksuited names. They wander around meadowhall, gawping at the bright lights and shiny things, gormlessly staggering from shop to shop, never buying anything.

If they cleared 'em all out then you could get your shopping done in a 5th of the time.

Wrong. If you read the report properly you'll see that the Council's Cabinet will not be considering this PROPOSAL (to charge for on-street pay & display till 20.30) till 13th December! So nothing has been agreed yet.

I asked the Council's Traffic Regulations Group today and was told they aren't changing the hours of operation of single yellow lines, so you'll still be able to park on them for free after 6.30pm

Of course everybody carries reports around in their pockets to read prior to parking:loopy: The fact is that if meters are in operation, joe public will assume that they are not able to contravene single yellow lines either. (As per during normal hours). I'll also bet that the parking wardens won't know this and will ticket everything in sight as they do now:mad: (Probably whilst their vans parked on double yellows around the corner)

I frequently travel to other towns/cities across the North and the price of parking in Sheffield is appalling.

Take for example Huddersfield (albeit smaller than Sheffield, but still with a town centre university, busy shopping area and related businesses) at only £1 for three hours or Chesterfield, where I was initially aggreved at having to pay to park after 'hours' til I found it was the princely sum of £1 all night.

Here's to Sheffield - the car free city of the 21st century. :loopy:

Our fine council have decided that us fine citizens should not be allowed to park for free in our fine city centre after 6.30pm. We will now be charged up untill 8.30pm. *

I think this will hit the restaurants mostly which struggle anyway in Sheffield centre.

Why dont the council just gate off the city centre between say 6pm and 8am to stop us troublesome citizens tresspassing.

*Sheffield Star today


Does not surprise me at all, we all know the council is anti car you only have to look at the roads in and out of the town centre. The bloke who is responsible for our roads is probably a cyclist, because no car driver would design a hair brained scheme like the one we have.

I have seen places where you put your reg number into the ticket machine and it is printed onto the ticket so theoretically it can't be used by anyone else. If Sheffield aren't doing this yet you can be sure they soon will be.

That leads onto the argument about transferring valid tickets to other people. I don't see why you can't give someone your ticket if it hasn't yet expired. If it costs say £1 an hour for a space, why should the council get more?

The positives for most drivers in Sheffield are that the reg number entry on the ticket is 'numerals' only, so the Millenium plates can only be signified with 01, 51, 02, 52,...etc. This means that there are more options for transfering the tickets between cars of equal registration ages.

And good luck to them, I say. :thumbsup:

Of course everybody carries reports around in their pockets to read prior to parking:loopy: The fact is that if meters are in operation, joe public will assume that they are not able to contravene single yellow lines either. (As per during normal hours). I'll also bet that the parking wardens won't know this and will ticket everything in sight as they do now:mad: (Probably whilst their vans parked on double yellows around the corner)

It will be interesting to see what publicity the council give to this change. It's a racing certainty that it will be adopted as it gives the council the chance to make loads of dosh in the run up to Christmas out of a thoroughly confused motoring public.

Does not surprise me at all, we all know the council is anti car you only have to look at the roads in and out of the town centre. The bloke who is responsible for our roads is probably a cyclist, because no car driver would design a hair brained scheme like the one we have.

Not a cyclist either I think.
Have you seen how the cycle lanes stop/start and lead no where in 10 metre chunks.
I think drug crazed baboon was suggested before and I still think that's the best description i've ever heard.

Well that is the daftest post I have seen for ages, how can you obstruct yourself ? If you are interested in reality rather than obscurity I suggest that you investigate the new ticket system that is now in operation. I came across it when I visited a friend on Westbourne Road, noticing that his car was parked in his drive I 'obstructed' it by parking across his drive knowing that he wouldn't care less. He gave me a scratch card type ticket to hang from my interior mirror in order to save me from being fined, the book of tickets had cost him £50.00 just to protect family and friends from Parking Services. :confused:

Visitors permits cost £5 (not £50 as quoted) for a book of 25, that's 20p each. People in Broomhill had been asking for a residents parking scheme for years because their roads were jammed with commuters. The feedback is that most are happy with it.

Of course everybody carries reports around in their pockets to read prior to parking:loopy: The fact is that if meters are in operation, joe public will assume that they are not able to contravene single yellow lines either. (As per during normal hours). I'll also bet that the parking wardens won't know this and will ticket everything in sight as they do now:mad: (Probably whilst their vans parked on double yellows around the corner)

The operating times for all parking restrictions, be they pay & display or yellow lines are clearly signed. If you park somewhere without checking the restrictions it's your own fault if you're ticketed.

The Council report on the changes to parking charging hours is on the Council's website. The parking attendants will be well aware of the rules. The attendants are allowed to park their vehicles in restricted areas while they are carrying out their duties.

I've asked before with no reply, so I'll ask again.

Why don't the Pay and Display piggy banks give change? Simple question and simple to implement.

Unless of course, the council doesn't wish people to pay the correct charge, preferring the overcharges it receives by way of folk not having the correct change.

Just another rip-off, methinks.

The positives for most drivers in Sheffield are that the reg number entry on the ticket is 'numerals' only, so the Millenium plates can only be signified with 01, 51, 02, 52,...etc. This means that there are more options for transfering the tickets between cars of equal registration ages.

And good luck to them, I say. :thumbsup:It is more than the numbers, some, but not all of the letters are on it too. They wouldn't let people get away with that so easily.

I've asked before with no reply, so I'll ask again.

Why don't the Pay and Display piggy banks give change? Simple question and simple to implement.

Unless of course, the council doesn't wish people to pay the correct charge, preferring the overcharges it receives by way of folk not having the correct change.

Just another rip-off, methinks.

Did you ask Parking Services? They decide which machines go on street.

(Probably whilst their vans parked on double yellows around the corner)

That's something that p***es me off!

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander (unless you work for the concil):(.

Double standards.

Have you seen how the cycle lanes stop/start and lead no where in 10 metre chunks.

I've noticed this too.

I too find it rather strange (as in Twilight Zone kind of strange).


Why don't the Pay and Display piggy banks give change? Simple question and simple to implement.

Good luck:thumbsup: (though you already know the answer, and the reasons for the answer).

I do feel the Council need to be applauded for their brave decision.

They are doing their best to help the Green Issues, and helping to save the environment for future generations, and reducing cars coming into the city is to be applauded.

Its not about being Anti-car at all.


I also feel the Traders will be gratefull too, cleaner air will be welcomed by them

I suppose regeneration of the city centre is another way of saying "putting the city back on its feet".

I used to shop in the city centre, but these days I keep out of it.

I do feel the Council need to be applauded for their brave decision.

They are doing their best to help the Green Issues, and helping to save the environment for future generations, and reducing cars coming into the city is to be applauded.

Its not about being Anti-car at all.


I also feel the Traders will be gratefull too, cleaner air will be welcomed by themOf course it's anti car. Traders want trade not clean air. I doubt if any of them welcome it.

The operating times for all parking restrictions, be they pay & display or yellow lines are clearly signed. If you park somewhere without checking the restrictions it's your own fault if you're ticketed.


Single yellow parking restrictions do not need to be displayed at all within the meter zone - simply because they are within the charging zone. In Sheffield some are and some aren't. The signs that are displayed show the no waiting times morning and evening but ALL the ones that are displayed show it finishes at 6-30pm. I take it these will be changed?

Single yellow parking restrictions do not need to be displayed at all within the meter zone - simply because they are within the charging zone. In Sheffield some are and some aren't. The signs that are displayed show the no waiting times morning and evening but ALL the ones that are displayed show it finishes at 6-30pm. I take it these will be changed?

Wy would they need to change the signing for the single yellow lines? The operating times aren't changing.

I do feel the Council need to be applauded for their brave decision.

They are doing their best to help the Green Issues, and helping to save the environment for future generations, and reducing cars coming into the city is to be applauded.

You are having a giggle right?

The council wouldn't know a green issue if it bit them on their collectively large asses.
They do however never miss an opportunity to raise revenue and motorists are the easiest target in town (or out of it).

the planning of parking and roads in sheffield seems shockingly bad.

One particular place which springs to mind is the 3 lane road in town (not sure of name) which is next to the old demolished hancock and lant building just before (i thing its called) ladys bridge.

The bus stops are all on the left, but all the busses need to turn right, meaning they swoop across 3 lanes of traffic, blocking the lanes for people going straight on past the back of the police station.

I remember readin about this in the star a few years ago, but the council still haven't done anything about it!!!

You are having a giggle right?

The council wouldn't know a green issue if it bit them on their collectively large asses.
They do however never miss an opportunity to raise revenue and motorists are the easiest target in town (or out of it).


That does seem very negative.

Do you think the green issue is an excuse to raise taxes?

If so why?

It is more than the numbers, some, but not all of the letters are on it too. They wouldn't let people get away with that so easily.
Haven't seen any machines in Sheffield with 'letter' keys on them yet, only numbers. Where are the ones with letters on?

Haven't seen any machines in Sheffield with 'letter' keys on them yet, only numbers. Where are the ones with letters on?I didn't say I'd seen them in Sheffield yet, I was predicting they would get them soon. I have seen them in other towns where you put last 4 numbers and letters i.e. AB56CDE would be 6CDE. It would be pointless only doing it with numbers with current registration format as there only 11 permutations so far.

My post:

The positives for most drivers in Sheffield are that the reg number entry on the ticket is 'numerals' only, so the Millenium plates can only be signified with 01, 51, 02, 52,...etc. This means that there are more options for transfering the tickets between cars of equal registration ages.

And good luck to them, I say.

Your response:

It is more than the numbers, some, but not all of the letters are on it too. They wouldn't let people get away with that so easily.

My response:


Haven't seen any machines in Sheffield with 'letter' keys on them yet, only numbers. Where are the ones with letters on?

Your response:

I didn't say I'd seen them in Sheffield yet, I was predicting they would get them soon. I have seen them in other towns where you put last 4 numbers and letters i.e. AB56CDE would be 6CDE. It would be pointless only doing it with numbers with current registration format as there only 11 permutations so far.

My point:

As yet, there are - to my knowledge - no pay and display machines in Sheffield that allow the driver to record the 'letter' part of their reg plate on the tickets. This has been the case since March 2001 - 5 and a half years ago - so the drivers of cars with Millenuin plates are in the fortunate situation of being able to 'play the system', and have been for nearly six years.

.....And before anyone tells me to get the bus, have you tried carrying a widescreen telly, a full computer system or furniture home on the bus?

Out of curiosity, could kurlymunky tell us just how many times a year does he/she buy a widescreen telly, or a full computer system, or furniture? And what furniture does kurlymonkey purchase that can be carried in a car (or a bus)? Surely not a wardrobe, or a settee, or even an armchair, let alone a widescreen telly? :suspect:

Don't stores do a home delivery service for bulky items anymore? :huh:

Out of curiosity, could kurlymunky tell us just how many times a year does he/she buy a widescreen telly, or a full computer system, or furniture? And what furniture does kurlymonkey purchase that can be carried in a car (or a bus)? Surely not a wardrobe, or a settee, or even an armchair, let alone a widescreen telly?

Doesn't matter how often a task has to be performed. The fact is, it is downright inconvenient to use the buses in some circumstances.


Don't stores do a home delivery service for bulky items anymore? :huh:

And we should have to wait 2-7 days for delivery of our items.... Why?

I do feel the Council need to be applauded for their brave decision.

They are doing their best to help the Green Issues, and helping to save the environment for future generations, and reducing cars coming into the city is to be applauded.

Its not about being Anti-car at all.


I also feel the Traders will be gratefull too, cleaner air will be welcomed by them

They may well like the cleaner air but I doubt that they find much enjoyment in the cleaner tills which result from far less of customers money passing through them.

If my car isn't welcome then neither is my wallet. :nono:

Saxon51
I don't really know what you're on about, this is my original post about it. When I said numbers I meant registration numbers, perhaps I should have said registration mark to satisfy the pedants.



Where would you put your ticket on a motorbike so it wasn't nicked? I have seen places where you put your reg number into the ticket machine and it is printed onto the ticket so theoretically it can't be used by anyone else. If Sheffield aren't doing this yet you can be sure they soon will be.

Meadowhall doesn't suffer from the parking problem as it was designed in the late twentieth century, when every household had two cars to its name. This is unlike Sheffield, which has grown organically over the best part of a millenium, for most of which households were lucky to have two loaves of bread to their names. Sheffield will never ever ever have the space to park everyone who wants to drive in and the only way the powers-that-be have to lower the number of cars coming in to prevent gridlock is to make parking pricey. It sucks but anyone who thinks they'd ever get parked if parking was cheap is seriously deluded.

. It sucks but anyone who thinks they'd ever get parked if parking was cheap is seriously deluded.

At least we'd all have the choice to try. Soon the city centre will b eout of bounds to those who cant afford £10 to park.

Visitors permits cost £5 (not £50 as quoted) for a book of 25, that's 20p each. People in Broomhill had been asking for a residents parking scheme for years because their roads were jammed with commuters. The feedback is that most are happy with it.

Now please read posts and don't make assumptions Planner1. My friend who's hobbies do not include queing up to buy books of tickets every week purchased £50.00 worth as 25 tickets go nowhere. He runs a business from home and his wife has a new baby so they have many visitors during a week plus friends and family.

Please address the 'obtructing your own drive' issue.

Now please read posts and don't make assumptions Planner1. My friend who's hobbies do not include queing up to buy books of tickets every week purchased £50.00 worth as 25 tickets go nowhere. He runs a business from home and his wife has a new baby so they have many visitors during a week plus friends and family.

Please address the 'obtructing your own drive' issue.

What "obstructing your own drive" issue?

I think the issue was that a) you can't obstruct your own drive (by definition) and/but b) because it's in the residents zone a ticket thing is still required or you'll get one of the other type of ticket.

What "obstructing your own drive" issue?

It's at the top of the highlighted quote that you replied to. :huh:

At least we'd all have the choice to try. If you want to spend an hour waiting for a cheap space to become available then err fair enough I supposeSoon the city centre will b eout of bounds to those who cant afford £10 to park.Oh that's rubbish. I go into town every day for work and I certainly don't drive there.

It's at the top of the highlighted quote that you replied to. :huh:

My understanding of the law on obstruction is that an officer (because only the police can enforce it) has to see obstruction take place ie someone has to be obstructed for an offence to have taken place. It's difficult to imagine how that could happen when you are parked across the end of your own drive.

In residents parking schemes, the Council generally offer to put a single yellow line across the end of people's drives, so that the owner can park across it overnight. Some people decide not to have the restriction so that they can park across the drive whenever they like. So, it is expected that the property owner might want to park across the end of their own drive.

My understanding of the law on obstruction is that an officer (because only the police can enforce it) has to see obstruction take place ie someone has to be obstructed for an offence to have taken place. It's difficult to imagine how that could happen when you are parked across the end of your own drive.

In residents parking schemes, the Council generally offer to put a single yellow line across the end of people's drives, so that the owner can park across it overnight. Some people decide not to have the restriction so that they can park across the drive whenever they like. So, it is expected that the property owner might want to park across the end of their own drive.

Can a white H be used for this purpose? As I understand matters (but stand to be corrected) Parking Services have no jurisdiction over white H spaces either.

Can a white H be used for this purpose? As I understand matters (but stand to be corrected) Parking Services have no jurisdiction over white H spaces either.You might end up with a helicopter parked on top of you.

Out of curiosity, could kurlymunky tell us just how many times a year does he/she buy a widescreen telly, or a full computer system, or furniture? And what furniture does kurlymonkey purchase that can be carried in a car (or a bus)? Surely not a wardrobe, or a settee, or even an armchair, let alone a widescreen telly? :suspect:

Don't stores do a home delivery service for bulky items anymore? :huh:

I do have to move stuff like most weekends recently. I'm doing up a house I've just bought so I've had to pick up loads of furniture (eg drawers, tables and chairs) and also 3 TVs that I wouldn't like to take on the bus. I also work in town doing IT and have to move loads of PCs, monitors and servers quite regularly. While doing loads of DIY in the new house I also have to get bulky items from Wickes and B&Q (eg doors, timber, bricks and pipe work) which I wouldn't want to take on the bus either.

Can a white H be used for this purpose? As I understand matters (but stand to be corrected) Parking Services have no jurisdiction over white H spaces either.

H markings or Keep Clear markings can be put across the end of people's drives (The Council will do it for a reasonable fee). The Council also take a dim view of residents parking on their own H or Keep Clear marking (tends to encourage others to abuse them). However, these are advisory and can't be enforced. A single yellow line can be enforced by the Council's parking services, which is why these are standard issue on residents parking schemes.

I saw a couple of the new traffic 'wardens' (same as the old ones but without discretion) getting themselves off on the new on-street parking restrictions in town last night on Cambridge Street. I have never seen two people more excited since the Nuremberg Rallies.

It has become a sad fact that all SCC are interested in is taking as much money as they can possibly get, in any way they can get it, and with any old lame excuse they can come up with. And then squander it.

I saw a couple of the new traffic 'wardens' (same as the old ones but without discretion, and with cash targets and also employees of the Sheffield City Jokers) getting themselves off on the new on-street parking restrictions in town last night on Cambridge Street. I have never seen two people more excited since the Nuremberg Rallies.

It has become a sad fact that all SCC are interested in is taking as much money as they can possibly get, in any way they can get it, and with any old lame excuse they can come up with. And then squander it.

And what "new" parking restrictions would these be? The ones that are being discussed on this thread are proposals in a report, nothing has actualy changed.

So what's wrong with seeing people who are happy in their job??

So what's wrong with seeing people who are happy in their job??Same as seeing people happy at Nuremberg Rallies.

Anyone who is happy in a job which irritates other people has got something severely wrong with them. Power mad.

I saw a couple of the new traffic 'wardens' (same as the old ones but without discretion) getting themselves off on the new on-street parking restrictions in town last night on Cambridge Street. I have never seen two people more excited since the Nuremberg Rallies.

It has become a sad fact that all SCC are interested in is taking as much money as they can possibly get, in any way they can get it, and with any old lame excuse they can come up with. And then squander it.
Do they get bonuses for the more tickets they issue??