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Gunner
06-09-2004, 18:59
I was e-mailed regarding a problem that I had. I am not a believer in the supernatural, But, After reading a reply I made to a thread about ghosts. I was contacted by someone that wanted to help me. I hope you are reading this now. Shortly afterwards, I tried to reply to the person that contacted me. But, When I pressed my send button, My computer decided to act up on me. This happened several times. Items were erased. I have not been able to contact the person that wanted to help / advise me. I think that I have a problem. But, What can I do about it. Having never believed in the spirits. Where can I find a clairevoyent. Wow.. Believe me, I am embarrassed just writing this. I cannot even explain the problem. But hopefully the one that previously tried to help may read this and realize what the problem may be. How can someone that does not believe in ghosts like myself try to explain ghost activity. If there is a clairvoyant out there that can help... Well I need you.

Moon Maiden
07-09-2004, 07:03
Was it Jon? He is the main man on here for the paranormal society?

Moon

Whelk
07-09-2004, 07:58
For goodness sake GET A GRIP!

owdlad
07-09-2004, 08:14
Originally posted by Whelk
For goodness sake GET A GRIP!

So YOU obviously have no experience of the paranormal, or you wouldn't have put that drivel.

Gunner
07-09-2004, 09:39
owdlad

No my friend, I do not have any expeience of the paranormal, Maybe that's why you think what I wrote was drivel. Nor do you I guess, If you did you would not refer to my post as drivel. How can anyone explain what they know nothing about. How can anyone put into words feelings that they get with strange happenings ? ? Maybe it is drivel to you owdlad, But, I never, believed in the paranormal, I still have my doubts about certain aspects. But, I do have sense enough not to use a ougi board or whatever. As some one sent me a e-mail telling me to do this. If what I am asking for is drivel, Then maybe I am looking in the wrong place.......

Moon Maiden
07-09-2004, 09:46
Rodgers I think owdlad was actually defending you against Whelks comments mate

Ouija boards are not dangerous if used with common sense, they are no different to tarot cards, rune stones or scrying mirrors.

Moon

Classic Rock
07-09-2004, 09:46
Tell us all what happened then?

Virus
07-09-2004, 09:47
Originally posted by Rodgers
owdlad

No my friend, I do not have any expeience of the paranormal, Maybe that's why you think what I wrote was drivel. Nor do you I guess, If you did you would not refer to my post as drivel. How can anyone explain what they know nothing about. How can anyone put into words feelings that they get with strange happenings ? ? Maybe it is drivel to you owdlad, But, I never, believed in the paranormal, I still have my doubts about certain aspects. But, I do have sense enough not to use a ougi board or whatever. As some one sent me a e-mail telling me to do this. If what I am asking for is drivel, Then maybe I am looking in the wrong place.......

He was talking to Whelk, not you :)

Gunner
07-09-2004, 10:15
Sorry owdlad

Maybe it's the pressure of not getting much sleep. Plus what has been happening over the last four years has taken it toll. I sometimes think that I am going cuckoo.

I have never believed in " Ghosts" as such. And believe me I have been in some bad places. I have spent time very close to Belsen the x- concentration camp. I was the only one that would do my guard around there.

On the humerous side. I spent weeks living at the Carbrook Hall Pub. Though I never had a bad experience I was 14 yrs old at that time.

Things have happened around my home. Even my nephew has been attacked ( I laughed when he told me this ). Others have seen things and heard things. But Never me. Though I have to believe them after investigating the house for myself.

The house has always been unwelcoming, Things are always happening that are uncomfortable to deal with. I have a nice home and spend a lot of time with DIY. But, I feel that there is always something working against me. I am not paranoid. I laugh it off mainly. But I have been worried for my nephew who lives at my home. The changes are dramatic. He fights and talks to people that do not exist. It is hard to explain. Believe me. Maybe whelk has never been in this position, Nor have I. That is why I say that it is embarrasing having to try and explain it. But. Maybe I should just do as whelc#k says... " get a grip " Learn to live with it. At 58 I should be a bit daft worrying about the supernatural

neeeeeeeeeek
07-09-2004, 10:38
In another post were you not blaming your Nephews actions on smoking pot???

Whelk
07-09-2004, 10:49
rodgers - I should start with an apology my post read more unfeeling than it was meant and I certainly meant no offense. But I do mean what I say - get a grip! Ghosts and all that *rap are just stories - they do not exist and certainly can't influence your life.
If your computer went haywire then take it to a repair shop or get a new one. Computers do strange and annoying things without being sinister.
As for your nephew I can't give advice but I would look for something troubling him in this world and seek qualified advice before even considering ghosts etc.

A clairvoyant won't help because they don't exist, there are people out there that will talk *rap and take your money but no-one who can see the future or talk to dead people. Anyone who thinks they can is either a con artist, deluded or simply has a vivid imagination. I'm not saying that there aren't nice people who genuinely believe they can talk to dead people but it is just well-meaning bullmanure.

My advice - move house, you have it in your head that there is a problem in your current house and I doubt whether anything will shift this idea. Take your nephew to a doctor and move house and keep well clear of anyone who talks about spirits without meaning the sort that come in a bottle (er no Genies don't count either)

If this post reads a bit hard it isn't meant to, I am just saying keep your feet on the ground.

Gunner
07-09-2004, 11:00
Yes my nephew does smoke dope. But all this started before he started to smoke dope. His whole attitude has changed. How many teens do you know that keeps a Bible at the side of the bed. It would take up too much room as I have said. To explain the whole story. I do have a problem with him smoking pot. But is it because of this that he turned to pot. It would not be fair to him to give the whole story on the net. But, My nephew is not the only one to suffer. Myself. Well I deal with the problem in other ways. I would love to blame pot. Then this would justify what I do or did to the dealer. But, I know druggies that never act the way he does. He is not the only one to have seen things nor to be attacked. He seems OK when he uses the spare bedroom, Even when he is smoking pot. These events take place in one room. But the atmosphere is strange. Even when he is not in the house, That room seems to hold some sort of bad air. At times I can be sat watching t.v. comfortable. Then without any warning. Everything seems to alter. A feeling of unease. Yes I wish I could blame all my nephew does on dope. That would be great. He does lead me a dogs life at times. But. If this is down to what is happening with the house, Then I am to blame not him. I wish I could blame him, Blame the drugs for everything, Then I could just sling him out, END OF problem.

Gunner
07-09-2004, 11:13
Cheers whelk

Point Taken, I am the one that should be saying sorry, I misread your reply. But, I agree with you on most points. I have to admit I have paid out quite a lot, I have been conned a couple of times. But, I just cannot understand why, When I like this house, ( Excuse my silly way of putting it ) The house does not like me. I would greatly love to solve this problem. I would love to grad my nephew to see a doctor. or a councillor. One of the reasons I put the subject of my nephew being on dope on the other thread, was to try and find someone in a similar situation. Maybe someone that had dealt with this problem. Do not get me wrong. I feel a lot for my nephew and he, despite all his faults thinks a lot of me. He is a good kid, Works hard for a living. Never a day off in four years since leaving school. But, I feel I have two problems. Has this house affected him, Is that the reason he smokes dope. Is that the reason he goes into moods. That is why I needed to start this subject. I do not have the answers, I do not know what to believe about the supernatural, This is a new experience for me. Not very nice, Also as I said it is also embarrassing asking for help and advice.

Moon Maiden
07-09-2004, 11:25
Money should not be in question when dealing with this sort of thing.

I have long found it disgusting that clairoyants and the new age movement are happy to take money from the vunerable and sometimes desperate people. :mad:

I hope you find the peace you are looking for with your home and family Rodgers

Moon

Gunner
07-09-2004, 11:36
Moonmaiden

I guess you have come across a lot of scams. I have heard of them many times. I have even said to myself it would never happen to me. But, That's life,, It does. When someone is in a vulnerable position they are open to abuse. I admit to being ignorant in this field. I myself have got used to the discomfort in my home. As I say, There are times when things are quite normal, But, I am too old to worry about these things now. I guess it won't be long before I will be finding out if there is any truth in the hereafter. But, I am concerned for my nephew. He is the one that I feel is suffering. Maybe if I could keep him of the dope long enough for him to say how he feels. But, He just avoids talking. He changes the subject. I know there are those that would say I am crazy, I would have said that 4/5 years ago. But I find that searching for answers is not easy. I have never in my life had anything to do with the occult.

Cols
07-09-2004, 11:56
Could there not be a genuine medical reason for your nephews behaviour such as schizophrenia etc ?

Gunner
07-09-2004, 12:07
Cols

When the problems around the house first came to light, My nephew was not on dope etc. He was a great kid. Polite etc. He started doing dope at a later stage. Thats what I cannot understand, However, I do put a lot of his behaviour down to psychlogical problems ie. split personality. paranoia. This I put down to dope smoking. But, I often wander why he started with the dope. Was it because of peer pressure. Or was it because of the problems around the home. Am I to blame. These are questions that I cannot find the answers to.

owdlad
07-09-2004, 12:08
Originally posted by Rodgers
owdlad

No my friend, I do not have any expeience of the paranormal, Maybe that's why you think what I wrote was drivel. Nor do you I guess, If you did you would not refer to my post as drivel. How can anyone explain what they know nothing about. How can anyone put into words feelings that they get with strange happenings ? ? Maybe it is drivel to you owdlad, But, I never, believed in the paranormal, I still have my doubts about certain aspects. But, I do have sense enough not to use a ougi board or whatever. As some one sent me a e-mail telling me to do this. If what I am asking for is drivel, Then maybe I am looking in the wrong place.......

Rogers, as Moon said my reply was meant at the previous poster not at you. I do believe in the paranormal, I don't know how or why it works, but there is more to this than just wierd happenings.

armin
07-09-2004, 12:13
Don't feed the trolls.

owdlad
07-09-2004, 12:15
Originally posted by armin
Don't feed the trolls.

Thanks Armin.....point taken.

armin
07-09-2004, 14:50
Originally posted by owdlad
Thanks Armin.....point taken.
Some people just have *waaay* too much time on their hands and enjoy winding serious-minded and compassionate folk up.

You seem a decent person. Don't take the bait.

Gunner
07-09-2004, 15:06
armin


Sometimes a little humour helps to keep a thread interesting. The only thing that annoys me is sarcasm. But, it is sometimes to be expected. There are threads that cater for this, There are also serious threads. I myself love to provoke a good debate, But, When the subject is a serious matter then care must be taken.

missb
07-09-2004, 18:02
Have you tried the services of a Feng Shui expert?

PaulTansley
07-09-2004, 18:47
Wheres Jon when you need him.

Rodgers you can email Jon from this site or PM him.
He usually comes on line after 6pm.
He will give you advise and help you.
I have seen this group (YPS) at work on another case and the equipment they have may find anything that is in your home, and he is local.

miniminch
07-09-2004, 18:58
I have never believed in " Ghosts" as such. And believe me I have been in some bad places. I have spent time very close to Belsen the x- concentration camp. I was the only one that would do my guard around there.



I would love to help but I dont help Nazis especially nutty ones!
I would say your nephew is haunted by you!!

Gunner
07-09-2004, 19:04
Thank you cycleracer I am most obliged for your help. I will watch out for him or search in members for him

Titian
07-09-2004, 19:30
After seeing many people in a psychiatric ward, I found that all my previous beliefs were shattered.

What you are describing, in my opinion, (for what it's worth) seems like your nephew is susceptable to the bad elements of marijuana.

Some people react badly to this drug and are pre disposed to certain conditions. These can result in mild to not so mild cases of mental illness.

From what I have seen these people do tend to buy into the paranormal.

Another point is that these people are also very plausable. It is very easy for them to convince someone very rational of their beliefs. I have experienced this myself.

Try to think back and was it your nephew who suggested these things to you first and be honest with yourself.

Anyway here is an unbiased link for you to look at as the above is just my opinion.

http://www.druglibrary.org/special/tart/tart10.htm

Gunner
07-09-2004, 19:50
Thanks Bonny, I wish you could meet my nephew. You have described him perfectly. He does have a knack of convincing anyone of anything etc. He lives in a sometimes make believe world, He like many other youngsters loves the mirror, and, he is always cleaning and keeping himself smart. A good thing, But je really goes overboard. To the second point. No my nephew is not the first to experience these problems in the home. Some years ago, My grandson kept telling me about this woman he spoke to, He was 7 at the time. He thought that I had company, and that they had walked into his room by mistake ... There have been a few probs. But, small one's. Many different one's. But after I investigated them they seemed to link together. The full story would be too long a thread. But, I shall do my best if the mods allow. to put the story in several sections of this thread. Being so complicated i will write down the story and put it on this thread as soon as I can. Maybe then, You may understand.....

Thanks

Gunner
08-09-2004, 10:00
From The Beginning in Brief

11 yrs ago. I took on this house. One week after I took the house over, I ended up in Hospital with life threatening injuries. My Grandson was staying with me at the time this happened. After being discharged from Hospital I started to move into the house. It was a rough time, The house was a shambles. But, With help I managed to settle in. I had another of my nephews from Notts stay with me till I was fit enough to cope. Also to help when My Grandson stayed. Both of these complained about many things. Electrics, Lights and Stereo coming on in the bed room etc. I had all this checked out. Then my Grandson complained of an old woman. I told him he was dreaming. My Nephew and his Girlfriend both said the same. They were afraid of that room. My Nephew was so frightened he moved back to Notts. Eventually My Grandson stopped coming to stay. I did not use the upstairs for a while. I was too disabled to climb them. But, I started to get fitter. In 2000 the Nephew I have living with me now moved in. His mother wanted me to have some help It was not long before he too complained of an old woman. Of being pushed, on one occasion of a slap in the face. This was late at night. He had marks to prove it. He came downstairs terrified. I had the room redecorated, I even called in a vicar that I knew. You may know of him A rev Don Sparks now retired. Later two young vicars came again to bless the room. Things seemed to go quiet for a while. Then without warning it all started again. My nephew started to stay out at nights, This is when the Dope Problem with him started. I contacted a spiritualist organisation over the net. This was based down South. Essex I believe. These p[eople rang me back. They told me things that they could never have known. ie. Information about the previous tenant. That she was a very old lady, That she did not die here, But wanted to come back, I was told that she was grey haired, Tubby, Nasty. very untidy, Two dark holes where her eyes should be. a full description. I was also told that there were two entities in the house. The person fully described my nephew, they described the room he slept in. They really surprised me. They even told me that my nephew needed protection. I was told to take out the bible that I had been given. To put it on his bed. etc etc/ I was told that they would pray for me and the house. Once again the house was to become very quiet. Though uneasy. My nephew seemed to have quietened down. He still went to work always has. Then one night all hell broke lose. The room was upset, My nephew came flying down the stairs as if the devil himself was after him. I ( By this time I could get around ) went straight upstairs. I felt a very cold atmosphere. I have never been afraid. Anyone tell me this some years ago, I would have laughed at them. I went into the room. It was a shambles. The bed even moved and the covers fell of of it. Then the stereo came on. Then everything suddenly went quiet. I walked out of the room. As I did so. A large print that was on the wall came flying off of the wall. I destroyed this print at the advice of the vicar. Things have gone pretty quiet. As I say My nephew still does his dope. But, There are times when he will not go upstairs. Most of the time he is a good kid. But, I have the trouble when he stays out all night. I have times when I suddenly feel that something is wrong. I am used to being alone. But, There are times when I am alone that I know something is wrong in that room.

Now, I did some checking. The lady next door, One of the best anyone can get. I asked her about the Lady that used to live here. She told me that her husband had died many years ago. She lived alone, Visited now and again by her grandsons. She was a nasty woman, She had long grey untidy hair. She was short and tubby. She was also BLIND. She moved out of the house into an old persons home 6 months before I took the house. She died in 2000 Though I do not know the date.

My home is clean, I work hard to keep it nice, But things that cannot be explained do happen. There are noises and wierd smells at times. Though not as you would say filthy smells. But there are also times when lights come on. things break for no reason. The volume on the radio or tv will suddenly shoot up.

This is just a brief explanation. I hope that this makes my problem a little more clearer. There are many more small things I have had to miss out. There would not be space enough to write them all, Nor the time. I have tried to trace any relations of this woman her husband but cannot. This could be the answer.

I have spent a lot of money trying to cure this problem. I do not have any more to spare.

sanman
08-09-2004, 10:26
You have my sympathies mate. I saw a ghost in my last house and it really shook me up, even though the house had a nice atmospere and I never felt threatened I was still in a state.

A friend of mine had a similar experience to yours but all his problems went away after he had a priest come in and bless every room in the house.

genesiscouch
08-09-2004, 10:57
My mind is simply boggled after reading all that.

Rodgers my feeling is that you are blaming a lot of negative events in your life upon uncontrollable elements. My advice to you is to start looking somewhere other than the house for the source of your problems. Perhaps inside yourself would be the best place to start.

Instead of spending so much time obsessing over the possibility of supernatural beings (such as posting several thousand word histories to an internet forum) get out and do something positive in your life.

Gunner
08-09-2004, 11:37
genesiscouch

You do not give your age in your profile. But maybe you are one of those that have nothing to do all day but to criticise others. I have no worries about my life. I love life, I am well off considering. I am happy ( unlike yourself ). I shared this problem hoping for negative responses. I have got them.. I have had a good discussion with meaningful members. I have had some good advice. Maybe you do not believe in the supernatural, I am not sure what the hell it is, But, I have dealt with it. I am not moaning about life. I have had a good one. I have served my time in the military, I have worked all my life. I have been involved in many things. I have nothing to complain about. Tell me... Why did you bother to read the thread in the first place. If you do not believe in the supernatural. If you have no positive input to give, Then why bother. Is it that you get a kick out of causing desruption... You do not give your age, But, I may suggest you get a job, get a life, and get some experience. I have had all this... And like many that are reading this now, So have they.

Moon Maiden
08-09-2004, 11:52
It is tru that members could if they so chose to ignore the thread and not make comment. but this is an open forum for it's registered members and they can within reason comment as they see fit.

When approaching the supernatural it is best to look at the mundane first and rule out all those possibilities before you look at the supernatural. You have posted on forum asking for help and we only have the information you give us to guide us in our posts and opinions.

There is nothing in Genisis' post that I personally would consider distateful...being called a troll yes, offering another possibility no. All I see is a helpfull observation given the information you have shared and personally is quite a constructive comment given the circumstances.

Moon

armin
08-09-2004, 11:54
Dude, you're way off the rocker if you think that strange behaviour of your comp could be related to the supernatural.

Although, there are some who believe that Microsoft is an evil entity and Bill Gates is Satan.

Something I'd agree with if I'd believe in this sorta stuff.

Phanerothyme
08-09-2004, 11:59
Originally posted by bonny
Another point is that these people are also very plausable. It is very easy for them to convince someone very rational of their beliefs. I have experienced this myself.

Try to think back and was it your nephew who suggested these things to you first and be honest with yourself.

Anyway here is an unbiased link for you to look at as the above is just my opinion.

http://www.druglibrary.org/special/tart/tart10.htm

Interesting link I had not come across before.


Researchers interested in finding subjects especially prone to paranormal experience would do well to consider marijuana users. Either marijuana use affects judgment such that a large number of ordinary experiences are judged to be paranormal, or there is a very high incidence of paranormal phenomena associated with marijuana use, or both.
.

Or is it that simply there is no extrasensory perception but that cannabis, characterised as "the great revealer" in arabic literature, simply sensitises us to the subliminal language that we broadcast like beacons the whole time; allowing us to discern intuitively and freely the moods, attitudes and intentions of others through the rich media of body language, inflexion, skin colouration, even scent and electromagnetic activity.

The brain is a literally unthinkably complex organ, whose function is exercised by the transmission of electrical impulses across semiconducting colloidal membranes. These colloidal membranes are in turn affected by the continuously changin soup of organic neurochemicals in which the brain sits (smelling strongly of cheese).

Suspended in fluid, and held in a thin casing, it seems obvious to me that any form of electromagnetic radiation or magnetic flux or even gravitation has the potential to effect changes in the electrocolloidal emulsion of our brain.

And if that is true, the reverse - the brain's eletrical activity has the potential to effect changes on the immediate environment should also follow.

Seeing as we wander around in state of comparative catatonia, who knows what our brains are doing most of the time.

mojoworking
08-09-2004, 12:03
Originally posted by missb
Have you tried the services of a Feng Shui expert?

Yes, move the furniture around a bit. That'll help take your mind off things

Substituting one pointless exercise for another always helps, I find ;)

Titian
08-09-2004, 12:52
Here are a few more sites that may help.

I personally do not (until proved to me) believe in the paranormal, ghosts or supernatural. So these are sites I have chosen to illustrate my thoughts.

http://www.lynnekelly.com.au/skeptics_guide.html

http://p076.ezboard.com/frealismfreeforall.showMessageRange?topicID=1080.t opic&start=1&stop=20

I am presuming that because you had a vicar etc to try and help that you must be of christian persuasion.

If you are not religious did you have faith that the vicars etc. could help you.

If ghosts are drawn to the places they lived or places they died then every home should have one (or a few) and every hospital should be over run with them.

I believe that people believe what they want to. The mind is a very powerful thing, paranoia is never a good sign. If you beleive something then it is real (to you). For example if I believe that ghosts do not exist then they do not and I will find logical explanations for things. If I believe that ghosts do exist then they do and will look for supernatural explanations.

Non of this is meant to sound harsh just factual.

:)

max
08-09-2004, 12:58
I have a lot of sympathy with what genesis was trying to put across. Rodgers, have you for a minute thought that the problem may reside in you? You have talked about having got help from a vicar and others for the house and counselling for your nephew. Nowhere have you said that you have sought help for youself and therein may lie the problem. This latest story of supernatural possession coupled with your obsession with David Blunkett and your insistence on corruption where none exists leads me to believe that you may be the source of your own misfortune.

Only a theory, please don't take offence.

Draggletail
08-09-2004, 14:11
Originally posted by miniminch
I have never believed in " Ghosts" as such. And believe me I have been in some bad places. I have spent time very close to Belsen the x- concentration camp. I was the only one that would do my guard around there.



I would love to help but I dont help Nazis especially nutty ones!
I would say your nephew is haunted by you!!
I don't get this, 'cos rodgers says he is 58, therefore would not have been old enough to guard belsen in the second world war - would have been about 1 year old? or minus 1 ?

sanman
08-09-2004, 14:41
I don't get this, 'cos rodgers says he is 58, therefore would not have been old enough to guard belsen in the second world war - would have been about 1 year old? or minus 1 ?

He never said that this was during the second world war! Someone makes a post about wierd things happening and all of a sudden he is being accused of being a pork pie short of a picnic, maybe a little tolerance wouldn't go amiss.

Draggletail
08-09-2004, 15:44
Sanman I ain't having a pop at Rogers.
He says he was the only one who would do his guard duty at belsen - Did they really have guards on belsen for years after the second world war finished, and if so, why. Excuse my lack of knowledge on the subject...
Maybe the 'loopy' smiley didn't help, I use it when puzzled. Will remove...

H.P
08-09-2004, 17:39
There is a small but friendly spirtualist church on whitam road at broomhill. I often attend the wednsday open cricle it starts at 7.30 pm They could posibly give you some advise and guidence on your problem, the mediums there are very open and honest and I am sure that they would show much sympathy to your troubles good luck

alchresearch
08-09-2004, 17:46
Originally posted by honeyplanet
There is a small but friendly spirtualist church on whitam road at broomhill. I often attend the wednsday open cricle it starts at 7.30 pm They could posibly give you some advise and guidence on your problem, the mediums there are very open and honest and I am sure that they would show much sympathy to your troubles good luck

I used to go there, back in 1995-96. It was very good and didn't cost anything.

andy1702
08-09-2004, 18:37
I've been reading this thread over the last few days with interest.

Firstly, let me say that I do believe in the supernatural. But for a number of years I have had an interest in old-time fairground side shows and movie special effects. And this experience has led me to believe that there is a rational explanation for 99 percent of so-called supernatural phenomenon.

The events we have been told about in this thread seem as though they could be real. But I feel I have to set the record straight regarding ouija boards.

Contrary to popular belief these boards are NOT a way of contacting spirits. They were invented in the eary part of the 19th century as a childs toy. The idea being they were an aid in teaching kids to count and also letters of the alphabet.

It was the popular Victorian 'psychic performer' who first picked up on one of these toys and decided to use it as a way of seemingly communicating with the dead. Having used a ouija board a number of times to fool trusting members of the public in demonstrations, I feel it is now time the showmanship of psychics is exposed so that the few with a genuine power can be found and studied more scientifically.

So if you have ever been to one of those group events where you have been told a message from a dead relative, seen objects wit flourescent paint on them move mysteriously in a darkened room, or had a ouija board move when you were only gently resting your finger on the pointer, I'm afraid you've been fooled!!!!

Moon Maiden
08-09-2004, 18:45
You can debate the usefulness of the ouija boards and associated forms of divination till the cows come home. Tellers of fortunes, seers and oracles have used everything from old chicken bones to tea leaves to cloud formations, this is divination. A connection to the divine in the hopes that a lesson may be learnt. Intercourse was once used as a means to do this

Where the boards originate isn't perhaps an issue more the way in which they are used by your average Joe and then claim three figure sums for their services.

Many people who truly have some strange gift do not charge for it. :)

Moon

Gunner
09-09-2004, 10:24
BELSEN CAMP This is still open as a memorial to those that died there. I wish some members would learn to read the posts fully before making comment. I was stationed there in 1967. 68.. There were 8 of us.. I was not scared then. But, There are strange things that do happen. Many can be explained ... Many cannot. Maybe we should change this post to the

" The Unexplained "... I do believe that there is a web site for Belsen Camp. I cannot be sure. I will try and arrange for pictures to be published for anyone that is interested in this. I have several. Though not much is shown today, One can sense the fear and misery by just looking at the photo's. This also reminds us just how lucky we are. And that we should never tolerate terrorism. In any form.

owdlad
09-09-2004, 10:30
Rodgers, here is a link to some pictures of Belsen.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~dkeren/camps/belsen/

Gunner
09-09-2004, 10:50
owdlad

Thanks for that...

Nice to find someone that is interested. I guess you are

cheers

jayyfar
10-01-2005, 20:29
hi im new to this and have just read the thread.
i was looking on aol for something about ghosts in south yorks and stumbled across this
just writing in to see if anything got sorted and how evry1 is

bye 4 now

depoix
11-01-2005, 21:02
Originally posted by Rodgers
BELSEN CAMP This is still open as a memorial to those that died there. I wish some members would learn to read the posts fully before making comment. I was stationed there in 1967. 68.. There were 8 of us.. I was not scared then. But, There are strange things that do happen. Many can be explained ... Many cannot. Maybe we should change this post to the

" The Unexplained "... I do believe that there is a web site for Belsen Camp. I cannot be sure. I will try and arrange for pictures to be published for anyone that is interested in this. I have several. Though not much is shown today, One can sense the fear and misery by just looking at the photo's. This also reminds us just how lucky we are. And that we should never tolerate terrorism. In any form. my step dad told me that when he was in the army his unit were one of the first to reach belsen,during ww2,he said nothing grew there,no birds flew over it and it was so scary at nights it was the first time he had ever done a stag ( guard) in pairs.

Gunner
11-01-2005, 22:07
We patrolled the site when I was stationed in Germany, It was a memorial and a reminder to all what had happened there. There are a few stories that I know of, One in particular is a dog going crazy and ending up several feet off of the deck on a spiked fence. Your dad is correct. It is a strange place. I was never afraid, I respected the graves there, Though there were many that did not. There are racists today that still attack the grave markers that exist. The camp was miles away from our camp. So we stayed at a farm house just outside Belsen. The farm house was taken over as a check point.