Hi how come that the Sheffield Council always find the cash for thing that they want and not for thing like house repairs when people need them you some times wait till they feel fit to come and do the job and it some time it look like a 2 year old did it i wounder how you all feel about this

Do you ever stop for breath?

Punctuation. Learn to love it.

thank you to all that voted it nice to know what you think if you want to please leave a message or e mail and i will get back to you as fast as i can also i do intend to show this to the sheffield council and let make them sit up and listen to the the sheffield tenents not take our money for which we work hard for. :cry:

I agree, the standard of work some of the council men do is not very good,but it is not all bad,I have had some excellent repair work done by the council. Bear in mind that some tennant's destroy the property,there have been instances of people taking the interior door's off and using them for firewood,knocking holes in the wall's,smashing windows. Not to mention the filth they live in, parent's allowing the babies and young children to urinate on the carpets so that when you walked in the house your shoes were under water, the stench was enough to fell an ox. I know, because I used to collect from people like this, and I was afraid of catching a disease. A house on the wybourn estate used to keep a donkey in the bathroom,don't ask where they had a bath!Still want to blame the council for everything??? :)

hope you are ok did you like pic love suelin :D

I have to say that Sheffield Council do seem to employ some cowboys apparently.

Lack of supervisory/managerial control leads to poor quality control. A culture of low quality pervades and council taxes get wasted.

Hi Suelin,
Not very good, it was my first try at sending a picture by 'e' mail and Geoff had to help me out. Hope I get better at it, how are you anyway? not heard from you for a few day's. I have been away from home for a couple of day's but now I am back, refreshed and raring to go. :D :)

My mom lived in a council house all her life, kept it up lovely, inside and out, then moved to one in Clarkson st 25 years ago, it was dirty, damp, no heat, just a small fire place in the kitchen, I got fed up with her having to wait years for repairs, they always told her she was on the LIST, finley i wrote a letter to Mrs Thatcher, got all the repairs done within theee weeks, they even put in central heating.

Poppins, how did you dredge this thread out of the archives?

One of my old aquaintances is a skilled joiner, for two years he was employed by the council to do housing repairs. He is a good joiner but even his work couldn't come up to much when he was supplied with really sub-standard wood, door frames are supposed to be straight he'd kept one to show people it only had an inch and a half displacement fine if you only squinted at it but how do you hang a door and expect it to look good?

I had an ongoing saga with the council about their lack-of/ quality of repairs

I was flooded out, when they failed to repair a leak of a waste pipe from the maisonete above, it flooded the property, above, and it wrecked TWO storeys of my maisonette, and brought the walls and the service duct "down" with it.

I had been complaining for almost a year, and waiting for the brain-deads at the council to come and repair it.

They finally booked a visit to do the repairs, and guess what? it was he day that we were moving out!!!!

so what did the council do? the B******ds sent ME a bill for the repairs.

I wrote back and told them "how can you hold me responsible for damage caused by YOUR failure to carry out a repair, to the property situated ABOVE mine? How could I cause this flood ddamage? I am not responsible for it and I am not paying for it!"

This was the house with window frames so squint, that you could have driven a herd of cattle through the gaps. The council replaced the door, but it was all-out-of-true, and was no more secure or weathertight than the windows were

When we moved into the next property, we had similar fun. the back door needed replacing, as the paint had "perished" or "weathered, allowing the water to penetrate, and rot the door.

the first door that they supplied had a crack running down through the lock, but had to be installed as the workman had wrecked the original door, taking it off, and it was unable to be put back until the replacement door was ready.

six months later, the "new" replacement finallly arrived. it fitted, but it took the workmen eighteen months to come and paint it, by which time, it, too had weathered badly, as it was bare wood, and had been exposed to eighteen month's-worth of the elements.

the kitchen units in this new property were sub-standard, with warped doors. the council came out, measured up, and made new doors for the kitchen units.

The new doors came. but they were too thick. (the doors, not the workmen:- although I sometimes wondered) they were so thick that They would catch on the adjacent doors and would not open.
Wonderful planning, eh? i had lovely cupboard doors, bit they were solid, fixed, unopenable! they were removed, and even when I left the property, they still had not been replaced

the other issue was the water-penetration in our living room.

It was reported the week before we moved in, at the same time as we signed for the keys.

What was happening, becaise of the structure of the house (Upper storey was clad with tiles) water was gaining access and causing water damage. we had a huge hole in our living-room wall, beside-and-above the window. It would be repiorted, and a plasterer would come along, and shove some plaster into the hole, go "bish-bash-bosh, there you go, missus, the job's a 'good un'"

only it wasnt! the next fall of rain, would seep through, and wash the plaster out.

So, it'd be RE_ reported.

And yes, you've guesed it.

ANOTHER plasterer would come out, go "bish bash bosh" and leave, and, yes, the next fall of rain would was THAT patch of plaster out... wash, rinse and repaet...

I lived in that property for four years and three months... and when i moved out, the water penetration problem had STILL not been rectified. It was an absolute fiasco!

it is my considered opinion, that the council staff, both at the rent offices, and at what is now called "Kier", (used to be "SWD" or "the works department") could not organise a booze up in a brewery. I really do think that "incompetent" and "imbecile" must be mandatory, as part of the job requirements...

PT

oh chill out love x ;)

the council is a joke and it always has been and always will be, why would they pay out money to good causes when they can spend it knocking down buildings, boozers, cottages and peoples lives... things can only get better..? x x

Or maybe i am just a silly bitter queen

Originally posted by Plain Talker
I had an ongoing saga with the council about their lack-of/ quality of repairs

I was flooded out, when they failed to repair a leak of a waste pipe from the maisonete above, it flooded the property, above, and it wrecked TWO storeys of my maisonette, and brought the walls and the service duct "down" with it.
[snip]

this is quite possibly the best post ive seen on sf and ive been coming on a year:clap: :clap: :clap:

Strix, What do you mean ?????

Poppins.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
The council replaced the door, but it was all-out-of-true, and was no more secure or weathertight than the windows were

six months later, the "new" replacement finallly arrived. it fitted, but it took the workmen eighteen months to come and paint it,

I noticed that when I liven in a tower block on Norfolk Park, every door handle in the flat was at a slight angle, do they not have spirit-levels at the council ?

As for the door, I would have painted it myself.

Bad,bad.bad
If you can get them to come out in the first place

I have a hole where the floor boards should be in an area of my kitchen, and the joist beneath it isn't attached to anything at one end. The drop below the missing boards is around 15 ft.
The foundations flood with what I hope is water, but the smell suggests something more sinister.
Last visit from the buildings inspector ? told no money for major repairs until April.
Never mind I have lived with it for 6 years so I can wait til 2010 when the house will be either brought up to the decent standard our gov suggests, or demolished, Thats hoping we haven't been infected by some discusting desease before then !

Originally posted by nick2
I noticed that when I liven in a tower block on Norfolk Park, every door handle in the flat was at a slight angle, do they not have spirit-levels at the council ?

As for the door, I would have painted it myself.

I would have painted it myself, too, but for a couple of teensy, weensy reasons......

a) it's the council's responsibility/ obligation to do it, and to do it within a reasonable time,

(Considering the fact that we *do* pay our rents, to them, as our side of the contract we have in our tenancy agreement.

Their half is to keep the property in good repair, and to paint the exterior doors/ windows as necessary)

and b) it's incredibly hard to reach, to paint an entire door from a wheelchair.......

PT

Originally posted by suzieq
Bad,bad.bad
If you can get them to come out in the first place

I have a hole where the floor boards should be in an area of my kitchen, and the joist beneath it isn't attached to anything at one end. The drop below the missing boards is around 15 ft.
The foundations flood with what I hope is water, but the smell suggests something more sinister.
Last visit from the buildings inspector ? told no money for major repairs until April.
Never mind I have lived with it for 6 years so I can wait til 2010 when the house will be either brought up to the decent standard our gov suggests, or demolished, Thats hoping we haven't been infected by some discusting desease before then !

Suzie! that is horrific!

You ought to contact the environmental health dept, and get an inspection done by them. (I had to do this with the private landlord who caused me to be "crippled":- the EHD slapped a ban on the then-empty house being let-out to anyone else, until he put the repairs right!)

Also as it is insanitary, and dangerous, get the Sheffield Star in to photograph the hole, and teh drop...

that might make them wake their ideas up!

good luck!

PT

wooo hooo i work for them. And i know my works good.

Originally posted by Plain Talker
I would have painted it myself, too, but for a couple of teensy, weensy reasons......

a) it's the council's responsibility/ obligation to do it, and to do it within a reasonable time,

(Considering the fact that we *do* pay our rents, to them, as our side of the contract we have in our tenancy agreement.

Their half is to keep the property in good repair, and to paint the exterior doors/ windows as necessary)

and b) it's incredibly hard to reach, to paint an entire door from a wheelchair.......

PT

Why if you rent a place and live there is it someone elses resposibility to paint the exterior doors and windows?
Everyone moans about the council work carried out but are there people out there that cannot do these things themselves?

I know a few good tradesmen in the council and some of the repairs that they are asked to do are so petty, The residents could have done them.
It seems to me that some people can't/don't want to to anything for themselves.

I own my home and have to do everything myself...The only thing the council does for home owners is pick up their bins.
So for 100 pounds a month we pay for our bins collecting!
( not getting into the council tax as it was already in another thread)
Bearing in mind the council employees are often paid substandard renumerations.........If they pay peanuts they get monkeys.

Originally posted by pitsmoor
wooo hooo i work for them. And i know my works good.


Yeah, right ;-)

Originally posted by Plain Talker
I would have painted it myself, too, but for a couple of teensy, weensy reasons......

a) it's the council's responsibility/ obligation to do it, and to do it within a reasonable time,

(Considering the fact that we *do* pay our rents, to them, as our side of the contract we have in our tenancy agreement.

Their half is to keep the property in good repair, and to paint the exterior doors/ windows as necessary)

and b) it's incredibly hard to reach, to paint an entire door from a wheelchair.......

PT

Sorry, I didn't see the bit where you said you were in a wheelchair.
But I do still think leaving the door to rot because it's not your responsibility instead of asking a friend to paint it for you is cutting your nose of to spite your face.

Originally posted by DerekH
Why if you rent a place and live there is it someone elses resposibility to paint the exterior doors and windows?
Everyone moans about the council work carried out but are there people out there that cannot do these things themselves?

I know a few good tradesmen in the council and some of the repairs that they are asked to do are so petty, The residents could have done them.
It seems to me that some people can't/don't want to to anything for themselves.

I own my home and have to do everything myself...The only thing the council does for home owners is pick up their bins.
So for 100 pounds a month we pay for our bins collecting!
( not getting into the council tax as it was already in another thread)
Bearing in mind the council employees are often paid substandard renumerations.........If they pay peanuts they get monkeys.

I pay my rent in order that my landlord keeps the property which I rent in decent repair.

(Heck, they charge enough for the rental, over the course of a year to afford it.)

You own your house, derek, the council owned that one I lived in. It's the owner's responsibility to maintain the structure of the house.

You don't pay twice for work to be done on a property.

The council do have a scheme where the tenant can arrange with them to do minor repairs themselves. Although, by the time they get the repair through the system, the tenant has probably given up hope of getting the repair done by the council and has done it themselves, anyway.

There are "repairs" that the council aren't responsible for, like maintaining fences, (even if they themselves installed the fence) decorating the inside of the property, replacement of locks (unless actually faulty) and broken windows (unless the window was broken as a result of, for example, criminal damage).

The full range of repairs are listed in the tenants' handbook, and tenancy regulations, as to what is, and what isn't the council's responsibilty, when it comes to repairs.

But, whatever the landlord,(whether council, housing association or a private let) there is an obligation, under the landlord and tenant act, that the landlord keep the property up to a specific standard, (eg that it be "weathertight" ) and that it poses no hazard to the health or safety of the tenants or their visitors.

PT

nice job. i'm only back in the city since september but it looks good

Originally posted by nick2
Sorry, I didn't see the bit where you said you were in a wheelchair.
But I do still think leaving the door to rot because it's not your responsibility instead of asking a friend to paint it for you is cutting your nose of to spite your face.

I did not let it rot because I could not be bothered to get someone in to do the paintng.

(most of my mates are in the same position, of being disabled, too, BTW, so the pool of those I could have called on who were a-b'd enough to do the task was small anyway)

The main reason it didn't get painted for the 18 months was because the damn council's works dept kept fobbing me off, when I was chasing them up, saying to me "Oh, we will be coming out to do it within a month".

But that month never materialised.

I was loath to pay, out of my benefit, (I was on benefit at the time) someone to do it, for the sake of the four weeks I was supposed to be waiting, not knowing that the council had no intention of coming to do it.

(in any case how much an hour does a painter charge? that one task would have taken up probably most, if not all, of a weeks benefit, at 50/ 60 quid.

and I am not making the choice, between paying out to have the door painted, and having enough food in my cupboard and gas/ electricity etc., to live on for the week

Every few weeks, when I was let down, I was on the phone to the inspectors, who would come on a "site-visit". They'd look at the unpainted door, hem-and-haw over it for a few minutes, and then say:
"Well, Missus, I can't understand why the painter hasn't been out to it yet. When I get back to the depot, I will have a docket made out, and get it back on the system. Should take about four weeks, max"

And the cycle would begin again...

Because the council had made this agreement with me, I could not exercise my "right to repair" . The time-period had to expire, before I could do that. the council kept re-setting the time scale, so I had to sit, and wait for the workman to get off his backside and do the job.

P " I pay my rent in the expectation that my landlord carry out his obligation to maintain the property" T

Originally posted by Plain Talker
I did not let it rot because I could not be bothered to get someone in to do the paintng.

(most of my mates are in the same position, of being disabled, too, BTW, so the pool of those I could have called on who were a-b'd enough to do the task was small anyway)

The main reason it didn't get painted for the 18 months was because the damn council's works dept kept fobbing me off, when I was chasing them up, saying to me "Oh, we will be coming out to do it within a month".

But that month never materialised.

I was loath to pay, out of my benefit, (I was on benefit at the time) someone to do it, for the sake of the four weeks I was supposed to be waiting, not knowing that the council had no intention of coming to do it.

(in any case how much an hour does a painter charge? that one task would have taken up probably most, if not all, of a weeks benefit, at 50/ 60 quid.

and I am not making the choice, between paying out to have the door painted, and having enough food in my cupboard and gas/ electricity etc., to live on for the week

Every few weeks, when I was let down, I was on the phone to the inspectors, who would come on a "site-visit". They'd look at the unpainted door, hem-and-haw over it for a few minutes, and then say:
"Well, Missus, I can't understand why the painter hasn't been out to it yet. When I get back to the depot, I will have a docket made out, and get it back on the system. Should take about four weeks, max"

And the cycle would begin again...

Because the council had made this agreement with me, I could not exercise my "right to repair" . The time-period had to expire, before I could do that. the council kept re-setting the time scale, so I had to sit, and wait for the workman to get off his backside and do the job.

P " I pay my rent in the expectation that my landlord carry out his obligation to maintain the property" T

Surely your husband is able enough to do some things around the home?

Question! Are you paying Full rent or Water rates?

As to waiting for some workman to get off their backsides...that is a personal arttack on the workers....They only do what they are told to do by their superiors!

To have pride in ones home whether owned or rented is a personal thing where as If you want something to look nice you do it yourself.
It may be in your contract but look at it this way! To keep a wooden door in good condition or a window frame, It has to be rubbed down and sealed/painted every year.
The council are trying to change everything over to UPVC so that they will not have this chore to do every year.
As you know, A lot of the council money has gone to help the building of new homes and renovations to existing properties with all modern items for the immigrants and asylum seekers that the good people of Sheffield like your self are in agreement with.
As THESE properties have been earmarked as priority it is only fair to say that the resources are a bit thin for trivial repairs such as your doors and window frames.


You all have the choice of renting private or council! if the service is no good ! move!
Try buying a house where you have to pay 1000 pounds a year to the council and get NO service at all for your money.

DerekH

Pay a £1000 a year and get no services from the council:confused:

What about all the services that everyone recieves what ever property the live in?

Refuse collection : Grass verge cutting : street maintainance :
Parks and open spaces : to name a few ??
These services not given to you then ?:suspect:

Originally posted by DerekH
As you know, A lot of the council money has gone to help the building of new homes and renovations to existing properties with all modern items for the immigrants and asylum seekers that the good people of Sheffield like your self are in agreement with.
As THESE properties have been earmarked as priority it is only fair to say that the resources are a bit thin for trivial repairs such as your doors and window frames.
That is absolute BNP propaganda cobblers. The Council receives rent as they would for any other tenant, and as do private landlords.

Originally posted by suzieq
DerekH

Pay a £1000 a year and get no services from the council:confused:

What about all the services that everyone recieves what ever property the live in?

Refuse collection : Grass verge cutting : street maintainance :
Parks and open spaces : to name a few ??
These services not given to you then ?:suspect:

just a few comments/facts.

The road I live on has more craters than Baghdad and has been like that for 8 years or more.
The last time we had our street cleaned was once last year!
THe local recreation area is earmarked to have a dual carriage way put through it.
The Trees only get pruned after they have taken out the telephone cables and the roots have grown through the pavement.
It has taken 7 months to rectify a street light.
What services are you talking about???
My bin gets emptied every week if I am lucky......

Originally posted by Tony
That is absolute BNP propaganda cobblers. The Council receives rent as they would for any other tenant, and as do private landlords.

Yes they recieve rent from the coffers...I never stated otherwise so where is the propaganda?????
Please quote me as to where I stated about anyone not getting paid rent!

Maybe you should learn to read first!

Originally posted by DerekH
As you know, A lot of the council money has gone to help the building of new homes and renovations to existing properties with all modern items for the immigrants and asylum seekers that the good people of Sheffield like your self are in agreement with.
As THESE properties have been earmarked as priority it is only fair to say that the resources are a bit thin for trivial repairs such as your doors and window frames.

Now now Derek, that's straight out of your bnp literature which is being pushed through doors at the moment. It's also a lie as has been pointed out in several posts already. Nice try but as Tony says, absolute cobblers.

when we first got the keys to our property (2000) it is SUPPOSED to be habitable ...... yeah right !!!

I called them to complain and an inspector came out, on first impressions he said "its not bad ive seen worse " but when he left he had 3 pages of repairs to do on his list ..... (some still not done)

he even called the inspector out who passed the property to give him a rollockin'.

Ive been waiting 4 years for a new back door cause its rotten 2 workmen came out to measure up ...and im still waiting!!

The fire wasnt even on the wall it was in the corner ...they sent 7 workmen to put it on but each one said they couldnt do it as they were sent to do a gas check not install a fire !!!!

I waited 8 months to get my bathroom plastered (that was done ) but my 5 year niece could have done better !

Didnt want to have my house demolished , so i was glad when we had a letter saying our house was safe ...... not so happy now i wish they would knock it down.

Dont know if its true or not but ive heard you can refuse to pay rent if they arent keeping with there side of the tenancy agrement ie: not keeping properties in good repair !

mer,


you need to be aware:-

if you do withold rent, even in protest for lack of repair, you put yourself on very shaky ground.

The council (or any other Landlord) can take you to court and get an eviction order on you for "non compliance with tenancy conditions"

(which actually stinks like a dead fish. )

PT

Originally posted by Plain Talker

The council (or any other Landlord) can take you to court and get an eviction order on you for "non compliance with tenancy conditions"
PT

Not can but will and do.

Originally posted by max
Now now Derek, that's straight out of your bnp literature which is being pushed through doors at the moment. It's also a lie as has been pointed out in several posts already. Nice try but as Tony says, absolute cobblers.
Sorry Max...I miss your point completely..I am stating fact! not fiction........there is nothing racist or propaganda in what I have said........Nor do I want to go into the politics of the matter....I have stated facts.....you hav'nt!!!.....Like the rest of you ******** that seem to think that everything is political......I state now that i am sick and tired of your bull ****... please keep to the thread and as Tony miss stated earlier ......read it as an opinion not as a political issue.

The problem with you guys is that anything that is stated against your opinions is subject to immediate propaganda or racial issues.
I think that you should seek professional help as I can recite what I have stated, prove it and all you can do is degrade or make yourselves look better for what you are not!

I have not mentioned BNP nor will I in any thread......unless forced to do so...What is your problem?????? I have stood up for the council workers in this thread! My comments are not in a political nature but as to what I see!
Sorry! I forgot the other political parties especaily the labour have been blind to anything since they came to power.
Incedently/....I am voting Conservatives in the General election...Does that make me racist?

Take your council, your country and shove it where the sun don't shine as I don't come in here to push politics....just my opinions...if you can't accept that! then close the forum.
As far as BNP litrature I will invite all those in here to inspect my home for any litrature regarding this issue.......can you do the same?
sorry ...you are all too busy covering up the war!
How the hell you got to be moderater in anything amazes me as you have nothing upstairs but your own propaganda.

Originally posted by mer1002
when we first got the keys to our property (2000) it is SUPPOSED to be habitable ...... yeah right !!!

I called them to complain and an inspector came out, on first impressions he said "its not bad ive seen worse " but when he left he had 3 pages of repairs to do on his list ..... (some still not done)

he even called the inspector out who passed the property to give him a rollockin'.

Ive been waiting 4 years for a new back door cause its rotten 2 workmen came out to measure up ...and im still waiting!!

The fire wasnt even on the wall it was in the corner ...they sent 7 workmen to put it on but each one said they couldnt do it as they were sent to do a gas check not install a fire !!!!

I waited 8 months to get my bathroom plastered (that was done ) but my 5 year niece could have done better !

Didnt want to have my house demolished , so i was glad when we had a letter saying our house was safe ...... not so happy now i wish they would knock it down.

Dont know if its true or not but ive heard you can refuse to pay rent if they arent keeping with there side of the tenancy agrement ie: not keeping properties in good repair !
Sorry to hear thatyou have all these problems..Maye you should ask MAX the moderator...he is also a candidate for Labour in Sheffield.
Maybe he can answer why things are like they are.....
I doubt it but give it a try!

Derek, you seem to think that you have stood for election for the BNP as irrelevant - even when you spout the BNP Party Lie... ahem I mean Line.

Unfortunately it is very relevant and there are enough people around here that will make sure that the TRUTH is known and that the BNP LIES are knocked down.

Sorry about that. :heyhey:

TO PLAIN TALKER


Wouldnt dare attempt to withhold rent it was just a rumour i'd heard !! but thanx

Originally posted by halevan
I agree, the standard of work some of the council men do is not very good,but it is not all bad,I have had some excellent repair work done by the council. Bear in mind that some tennant's destroy the property,there have been instances of people taking the interior door's off and using them for firewood,knocking holes in the wall's,smashing windows. Not to mention the filth they live in, parent's allowing the babies and young children to urinate on the carpets so that when you walked in the house your shoes were under water, the stench was enough to fell an ox. I know, because I used to collect from people like this, and I was afraid of catching a disease. A house on the wybourn estate used to keep a donkey in the bathroom,don't ask where they had a bath!Still want to blame the council for everything??? :)


my dad used to work for the council, he said sometimes they'd be given a job to do but were told to give it a week and then go or sometimes it just depended the area on how long they'd take to go, he also said that in some houses u wipe your feet on the way out

Originally posted by Tony
Derek, you seem to think that you have stood for election for the BNP as irrelevant - even when you spout the BNP Party Lie... ahem I mean Line.

Unfortunately it is very relevant and there are enough people around here that will make sure that the TRUTH is known and that the BNP LIES are knocked down.

Sorry about that. :heyhey:

Ok so anything I say is a lie??
My personal opinions are lies, untruths!

I have not made reference to anything BNP!
You don't know me as a person or as anything else and treat me with disrespect that I would not treat you!

If you didnt know I was with the BNP what would your comments be???
Somewhat different I would think!.....it is people like you that take away freedom of speech unless it is to your opinions!
You are a bigot and a nazi!!!!!!!!

TONY you make statements....... Back them up....Or sit in yer corner as you are doing passing judgement on others.

I still have not had any response to my request that you quote what my statements were!

Tony I have your address..if you want I can come around and we can talk about personal issues if you wish!
Or you can come to my place which is common knowledge in the register

Awaiting your reply..in antisipation!

DerekH I apologise for linking you with the bnp as I thought that as you had stood for them you may somehow hold some of the same views as their policy makers. If you don't, then my apologies.

Just to pick up on the lie about asylum seekers, yet again. You said

A lot of the council money has gone to help the building of new homes and renovations to existing properties with all modern items for the immigrants and asylum seekers

when in fact there have been no new homes built by Sheffield Council for as long as I remember. The only renovations undertaken to house asylum seekers are to those flats and apartments that no one else wanted. Plus the money came from the Home Office.

This is not a political issue, as you said in your pm to me, this is me trying to disabuse people of the lies put about concerning asylum seekers.

Originally posted by max
DerekH I apologise for linking you with the bnp as I thought that as you had stood for them you may somehow hold some of the same views as their policy makers. If you don't, then my apologies.

Just to pick up on the lie about asylum seekers, yet again. You said



when in fact there have been no new homes built by Sheffield Council for as long as I remember. The only renovations undertaken to house asylum seekers are to those flats and apartments that no one else wanted. Plus the money came from the Home Office.

This is not a political issue, as you said in your pm to me, this is me trying to disabuse people of the lies put about concerning asylum seekers.

And Immigrants. Derek's assertion that somehow houses are being built and renovated for immigrants seem baseless. Or at least I can't find any references - maybe someone would oblige me..?

Originally posted by max
DerekH I apologise for linking you with the bnp as I thought that as you had stood for them you may somehow hold some of the same views as their policy makers. If you don't, then my apologies.

Just to pick up on the lie about asylum seekers, yet again. You said



when in fact there have been no new homes built by Sheffield Council for as long as I remember. The only renovations undertaken to house asylum seekers are to those flats and apartments that no one else wanted. Plus the money came from the Home Office.

This is not a political issue, as you said in your pm to me, this is me trying to disabuse people of the lies put about concerning asylum seekers.
Ok Max, I don't want to fight with anyone in here!
I agree with your opinion but would still like to say that a lot more was undertaken for migrant workers than you give the sheffield council credit for.
The council has made repairs etc to homes for the influx of Polish bus drivers that are coming to Sheffield.
I personally have no problems with this as Sheffield people on the dole are too lazy to get a job as bus drivers.

The housing situation in some parts of Sheffield is in dire need of renovation...but it is because the tennants abuse the services given to them and cost a lot of money in the way of repairs etc.

I would! rather see a family from a country that has not had the soft upbringing here where everything is on tap, to move into a house here and look after it, than the masses of Brits that take advantage of everything that is available.

Max!!! I am not here to mince words.....I state my case and as you know I will stand by what I say!
There is nothing political about the renovation of housing that is going to immigrants or asylum seekers..(let me re phrase! Asylum is political! so the people claiming asylum are not in the terms of political asylum...justified in any claims to the asylum laws)

Throwing that in the gutter!...My brother lives next door to a home that an old lady had lived for many years.
In the time that she was there before her death she had no central heating or upvc windows.

On her Death!.....UPVC windows were installed, central heating was fitted and everything was turned to modern times.
The family that was moved in was of foreign origin...They do not work!
Pleae tell me and the people in the Forum....Why is it ithat the lady that lived there for many years did not get the central heating or UpVC windows when she was alive!
And why!!! was it renovated with mod cons for a foreign family!!!

This is happening all over Sheffield....Is it me that just sees this or do others see but not say?

Originally posted by Tony
Derek, you seem to think that you have stood for election for the BNP as irrelevant - even when you spout the BNP Party Lie... ahem I mean Line.

Unfortunately it is very relevant and there are enough people around here that will make sure that the TRUTH is known and that the BNP LIES are knocked down.

Sorry about that. :heyhey:

Firstly! Why the hell it comes down to the BNP? amazes me.

As far as Truth<<<I only have to look at your leader Tony Blair to see what the truth is about!

Tony!!! I would take a holiday as I have seen your crap in other threads...you can make comments but cannot back or will not back them up as you seem to think that you are something higher/special.

In fact you are nothing of the kind!.....you are a person with a view!!! you are neither right or wrong.
Your judgement is neither flawed or perfect and you are nothing in here without the other users that have opinions!

May I say that I also have the impression that anything me or derek say is always brought down to the BNP when we dont even mention the BNP.
I also have to say that the propery where I live was supposed to be a 40 points area which if you did not have the points then you did not get the property.
I myself only got the property because I got the points due to my previous property being demolished.
The council guy said to me that I was VERY lucky to get this property as it is close to the city centre and is much sought after and only people with the MAXIMUM points will have any chance of getting one.
So guess what 3 wks after I moved in A family of refugees moved in next door,and then they had the work men bringing all the new furniture aroud along with the new carpets and what have you.
I got talking to one of the workmae and you know what he said to me I bet you have to pay for all this but these people are getting it all from the goverment i e taxpayer.
So as for the council housing refugees in unwanted property this is bull ****.

Originally posted by DerekH
As far as Truth<<<I only have to look at your leader Tony Blair to see what the truth is about!
MY leader? Hehe, that's a good one! You assume too much, and get it wrong in the process.

The rest of your tirade says far more than I could. :hihi:

Edit: Derek, Roy, don't you see why people feel the need to dispel untruths? Would you rather people are misled? If you want to spread BNP untruths then you should at least have the decency to say that you are members of that party in the same post.

Originally posted by royjames
May I say that I also have the impression that anything me or derek say is always brought down to the BNP when we dont even mention the BNP.
I also have to say that the propery where I live was supposed to be a 40 points area which if you did not have the points then you did not get the property.
I myself only got the property because I got the points due to my previous property being demolished.
The council guy said to me that I was VERY lucky to get this property as it is close to the city centre and is much sought after and only people with the MAXIMUM points will have any chance of getting one.
So guess what 3 wks after I moved in A family of refugees moved in next door,and then they had the work men bringing all the new furniture aroud along with the new carpets and what have you.
I got talking to one of the workmae and you know what he said to me I bet you have to pay for all this but these people are getting it all from the goverment i e taxpayer.
So as for the council housing refugees in unwanted property this is bull ****.

Well, as I am one of your neighbours, I think the workman was telling you porkies Roy! ;)

Originally posted by Tony
MY leader? Hehe, that's a good one! You assume too much, and get it wrong in the process.

The rest of your tirade says far more than I could. :hihi:

Edit: Derek, Roy, don't you see why people feel the need to dispel untruths? Would you rather people are misled? If you want to spread BNP untruths then you should at least have the decency to say that you are members of that party in the same post.

Tony, Go get a life!!!! You still have not quoted anything that I requested you do!
Your opinions are nothing to do with the thread and in all as a moderator it seems to me that if your opinion is not followed by the masses then everyone else is wrong and you are right!
You are nothing more than a self concieted bigot who uses a position as moderator to force your views on others.

I have read quite a lot of threads where you make comments but I do not see you substantiating any of them!

I do believe that you will find a lot of users see this but don't say anything because you are a moderator...To me you are nothing!!! and at least I will tell you straight ! not make comments without foundation and go completely off track tp make an opinion that realy has no bearing in the thread!

I am "the plain talking yorkshirewoman...." and I am reknowned for telling it straight.

This is off-topic, I know, but...

If I thought the mods on here were abusing their power I'd speak up, and I'd probably quit coming on here, but I haven't seen anything as yet that would make me decide to throw the towel in.

I have seen the odd member here and there, kicking-up, complaining, because they have been out of order, and the mods have had to pull them back into line. Thankfully, that's not a frequent occuurrence.

I have stepped out of line a bit, myself, on a couple of occasions, in my responses, when my back has been got-up by someone posting inflammatory stuff, but, if that has happened, folk would agree that the mod(or mods) has stepped in, and said "whoah, calm it down" or "keep this on topic", or something similar.

I have taken my chastisement on the chin, held my hands up, and accepted it and I have not thrown tantrums or anything similar in the mods' directions.

I accept that they are here to keep order, and ensure even-handedness it's necessary.

they have occasionally stepped in, to counter overtly inflammatory comments, or cleaned up posts where someone has posted links to sites that contain filth,. But, if they are responsible for the forum, and it's content (not to mention its reputation)

I have no problem, and see no need to give kick-up.

Now....... We take you back to your regularly scheduled programming...

"It is my contention, and personal opinion, that, when it comes to organising repairs for their tenants, the city council would be better, trying to organise a booze up, in a brewery!

PT

Ps, if you have a prob, then go elsewhere..? simple, really, no?

Originally posted by Plain Talker


"It is my contention, and personal opinion, that, when it comes to organising repairs for their tenants, the city council would be better, trying to organise a booze up, in a brewery!

PT

Ps, if you have a prob, then go elsewhere..? simple, really, no?

I would go with your comment about organising a booze up....
I do think that they could do that for the pub.licity.

I for one would not object to this as I would at least be getting something back for my taxes.

Hurry come the days where council housing is a thing of the past where people will have to pay a landlord for a home and not a council.
My taxes will be cut in half if there were no council workers out there painting doors and windows...

I have to say this ,Patchy I also have your address.
Anyway getting back to the point this council do indeed look after the needs of the immigrant community more than those who are born and bres here.
You only need to look in the letters page of the Sheffield Star and you will see letters from people who have been on the waiting list years and who are consistently being passed over on the bidding list in favour of people who have just come to this country.
And you wonder why certain parties are getting the votes in.
I see it with my own eyes,immigrants moving in to properties who can hardly speek a word of english and getting all the repairs done and what have you.

Originally posted by royjames
...............I see it with my own eyes,immigrants moving in to properties who can hardly 'SPEEK' a word of english and getting all the repairs done and what have you....

You have to see the comical value in that surely!

Of course the landlord has to do the repairs, and offer furnished homes. Dont think for a minute that outside funding doesnt come in for the Uk accepting asylum seekers etc.

Put that against a non working Uk resident, who will be subsidised by the state, for living costs and home rental (probably pay about £25/week towards rent)

See the UK is great at business :thumbsup: UK residents should be used to getting shafted by the government now, i cant wait until the BNP comes in and reduces fuel duty down to 10%...wow so great... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by royjames
I have to say this ,Patchy I also have your address.
Anyway getting back to the point this council do indeed look after the needs of the immigrant community more than those who are born and bres here.
You only need to look in the letters page of the Sheffield Star and you will see letters from people who have been on the waiting list years and who are consistently being passed over on the bidding list in favour of people who have just come to this country.
And you wonder why certain parties are getting the votes in.
I see it with my own eyes,immigrants moving in to properties who can hardly speek a word of english and getting all the repairs done and what have you.
OMG!!!!!! Roy you are being racist here!!!
It is not wrong for the people in Sheffield to go on the back burner and wait a few more years for a place to live..
We have to have compassion and let the people that have had it rough in their own countries to come here and have a better life..
After all the good people of Sheffield and THe UK do not mind waiting as good is done for others.
I think that the people here are understanding as they only moan a little when they want something.....
I think that all empty properties should be renovated and given with the deeds to all immigrants that come here for a better life..
Whats wrong with that???

Originally posted by DerekH
You are nothing more than a self concieted bigot
ROFLOL That's made my day! A BNP candidate having the temerity to call me a bigot!

Originally posted by DerekH
I do believe that you will find a lot of users see this but don't say anything because you are a moderator...To me you are nothing!!! and at least I will tell you straight ! not make comments without foundation and go completely off track tp make an opinion that realy has no bearing in the thread!

If you EVER see me abusing my position as a moderator then by all means complain to inbox @ sheffieldforum. co .uk

You don't seem to understand that I can have an opinion that is personal and that I have no need to 'abuse' any position that I may have. If I did that you would find that you had a MUCH smaller post count than you do now. It's a funny abuse of power to leave your posts in the open forum :huh:

Others don't say anything because they don't have a problem.

For the avoidance of doubt, when I act in my capacity as a mod it is preceded by this style...

Mod: ..... Is that clear?

Originally posted by DerekH
I have read quite a lot of threads where you make comments but I do not see you substantiating any of them!
Here you go then Derek. This is the lie that I pulled you up on...

Originally posted by DerekH
As you know, A lot of the council money has gone to help the building of new homes and renovations to existing properties with all modern items for the immigrants and asylum seekers that the good people of Sheffield like your self are in agreement with.
As THESE properties have been earmarked as priority it is only fair to say that the resources are a bit thin for trivial repairs such as your doors and window frames.

Well TONY I woul'd like you to tell me why I was banned last week and why the post I put up about islam has dissapeared and another one EXACTLY the same has taken its place.
Coul'd this have something to do with me being in the BNP or is this wrong.
One more point why is the thread I began about sex can you live without it still closed after all dont you think we have had long enough to calm down ??
Oh and finally will tHE bnp THREAD BE OPEND AGAIN ONLY IT SAID IT WILL BE CLOSED FOR A SHORT TIME WELL THAT WAS MONTHS AGO.
And finally back on tack why do you think all these housescare being built,its to acomodate all the immigrants coming here.
Lets see if this post gets left in shall we?

Originally posted by Tony
ROFLOL That's made my day! A BNP candidate having the temerity to call me a bigot!



If you EVER see me abusing my position as a moderator then by all means complain to inbox @ sheffieldforum. co .uk

You don't seem to understand that I can have an opinion that is personal and that I have no need to 'abuse' any position that I may have. If I did that you would find that you had a MUCH smaller post count than you do now. It's a funny abuse of power to leave your posts in the open forum :huh:

Others don't say anything because they don't have a problem.

For the avoidance of doubt, when I act in my capacity as a mod it is preceded by this style...

Mod: ..... Is that clear?


Here you go then Derek. This is the lie that I pulled you up on...
Thank you so much Tony....I have been trying to get that point across for a long time.......I give my personal opinions!!!!!
As to what you pulled me for...there was nothing racist about what I said....I made a comment...an opinion...like you have stated.......that opinion has nothing to do with whether I am a BNP candidate or anything...I am here not as a candidate but as an individual.
ME!!!!!! nothing more nothing less and what gets up my nose is that some people turn all the threads I post into a slinging match about the BNP.......or anything said is racist...give me the break as a resident of this city where I was born to be able to give an opinion based on what I want to say not hat you percieve as being BNP or political

Derek, you are certainly allowed your opinions and I for one am happy for you to post them subject to all the usual guidance for content, decency, law, forum etiquette and standards, etc. However, if you post stuff that annoys people you should be prepared to receive the flak.

The post that you made was directly parallel to the BNP stance, and therefore your connection cannot really be ignored can it?

Roy, see my comment to Derek above.

Any more discussion on this matter should be posted in the feedback section.

Can we get this all back on topic please - it will be boring other people rigid.

The council replaced the steet light on our road on Saturday, it only got knocked down about 2 weeks ago, I guess someone reported it and they came and fixed it.

I have no political opinion about this.

When I've need repairs doing, they usually did the repair quite quickly. Kier have even rung my mobile a couple of times to make sure it's convenient for them to come round before turning up! :thumbsup:

When I've need repairs doing, they usually did the repair quite quickly. Kier have even rung my mobile a couple of times to make sure it's convenient for them to come round before turning up! :thumbsup:
but they bodge it up i bet :roll:

my girlfriend has 2 kids , one bedroom the window is wobbling as well as the wall around it and its damp with mould , the other bedroom is basically the same but with a hole in the frame , both are unsafe not just for the movement and the mould and both are draughty , kier say they are both "ok" , HOW CRAP ARE THEY?!?!?!?!?

my girlfriend has 2 kids , one bedroom the window is wobbling as well as the wall around it and its damp with mould , the other bedroom is basically the same but with a hole in the frame , both are unsafe not just for the movement and the mould and both are draughty , kier say they are both "ok" , HOW CRAP ARE THEY?!?!?!?!?

Open your windows and stop drying your clothes on radiators, that should cure the damp & mold issues!

but they bodge it up i bet :roll:

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