Thanks to the late G.H.B.Ward founder of the Sheffield Clarion Ramblers and Mrs Ethel B Haythornthwaite founder of the Shefield branch of the C.P.R.E. We are now able to lesser or greater degree to enjoy the beautifull views afforded by the hills in the Peak District National Park.
What I've often wondered is. 'How many View finder points or topographs exist and where are situated? Who provided them? and what condition are they?

Well there's the one on Lose Hill. It was in good condition the last time I was there. I think it might say on it who put it up, but I don't remember who this was.

These things are sometimes called 'topographs'.

Well there's the one on Lose Hill. It was in good condition the last time I was there. I think it might say on it who put it up, but I don't remember who this was.

These things are sometimes called 'topographs'.

If anyone is going to the top of Lose Hill this weekend, (By the looks of things, they'd better tie themselves on)!! Would they please take one or some photograghs of the viewpoint (Topograph) please which I could use. Thank you. or if anyone can take a photograph of any named viewpoint (Topograph) for a collection to become available for anyone over the web in the future. I would very please to have these as *.JPEGs.
Thank you.

If anyone is going to the top of Lose Hill this weekend, (By the looks of things, they'd better tie themselves on)!! Would they please take one or some photograghs of the viewpoint (Topograph) please which I could use. Thank you. or if anyone can take a photograph of any named viewpoint (Topograph) for a collection to become available for anyone over the web in the future. I would very please to have these as *.JPEGs.
Thank you.
Not my own, but there's a picture of the one on Lose Hill here (http://www.walkingbritain.co.uk/walks/walks/walk_photo/128604/) - not enough of a close-up to give the details that you were interested in though, unfortunately.

Not my own, but there's a picture of the one on Lose Hill here (http://www.walkingbritain.co.uk/walks/walks/walk_photo/128604/) - not enough of a close-up to give the details that you were interested in though, unfortunately.

CaptainSwing - Thank you. It's a long time since I walked the Ridge and bye golly it as certainly changed. I feel certain that the caine supporting the Topograph (Viewfinder) has been rebuilt. If it as it would be interesting to know if the Topograph (Viewfinder) is the original one. If not where as it gone.

I'm intending to make a *.JPEG collection of the detail shown on topographs that are placed upon other viewpoints in the Peak District.
The idea being that if the library has a cd-rom of these. Anyone could download its graphic files to print and take with them, in the event that someone has damaged the original.

So everyone who would like to help with this project.
'Just join to show me how it should be done'.

Google has found me another one, on Eccles Pike, near Chinley (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/92380). It's a mile or two outside the National Park boundary, but I'd count it as being in the Peak District.

And another (http://www.brilwalks.com/familywalks/Stanage/Stanage.htm) on Fulwood Lane just outside Sheffield, right on the Park boundary, put up by the Rotary Club, apparently.

Another one (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_bren/81621130/in/pool-flickrhacks/) on Lantern Pike, near Hayfield - again just inside the Park boundary.

In case the picture vanishes, as they sometimes do on flickr, it's a memorial to one Edwin Royce, put up in 1950 and re-erected in 1986 by the Ramblers' Association, Peak & Northern Footpath Society, and National Trust.

Yet another (http://www.jamiebassnett.co.uk/051022-derwentedgefromfairholmes/20051022H-SummitCairnAndMemorialCairnOnLostLad.jpg) at Lost Lad up on the Derwent edges, erected by Sheffield Clarion Ramblers, so it says here (http://www.jamiebassnett.co.uk/derwentedgefromfairholmes.htm), where it also calls it a 'toposcope' - you learn something new every day.

And there's said (http://www.moorsforthefuture.org.uk/mftf/downloads/moor%20care/LANDIPS%20Final%20report%2012%20Dec%20LE.pdf) to be one on top of Morridge, near Leek. I'm guessing this would be at the junction where the road from the Mermaid to Thorncliffe meets the one from the south that goes along the ridge. Another one that's right on the Park boundary, in that case.

Yet another (http://www.jamiebassnett.co.uk/051022-derwentedgefromfairholmes/20051022H-SummitCairnAndMemorialCairnOnLostLad.jpg) at Lost Lad up on the Derwent edges, erected by Sheffield Clarion Ramblers, so it says here (http://www.jamiebassnett.co.uk/derwentedgefromfairholmes.htm), where it also calls it a 'toposcope' - you learn something new every day.

And there's said (http://www.moorsforthefuture.org.uk/mftf/downloads/moor%20care/LANDIPS%20Final%20report%2012%20Dec%20LE.pdf) to be one on top of Morridge, near Leek. I'm guessing this would be at the junction where the road from the Mermaid to Thorncliffe meets the one from the south that goes along the ridge. Another one that's right on the Park boundary, in that case.

Does anyone in the Clarion Rambling Club know when & why this topograph was errected?
What is required is the Topigraphs or Topiscopes or Viewfinders Grid Number or do the modern hikers refer to objectives by to their Lat & Long with the navigational aids now available?

Lantern Pike Viewpoint or Toposcope

The Edwin Royce Memorial, on Lantern Pike (1178 ft.), was given to the National Trust and, on their behalf, accepted by Major Gerald Haythornthwaite, on Saturday, 28th October, last, before a hardy audience, over 100 in number, who could have expected a snowstorm any minute during the hour of speeches. Hervey Rhodes, M.P. (President of Manchester Ramblers' Federation and Parliamentary Secretary to the Board of Trade) ; Hugh Molson, M.P. for the High Peak (whose work against Hope Valley Cement Works I gladly testify) ; Harold E. Wild (Secretary of Peak District and N.C.F.P.S.), our old footpaths warrior, Arthur Smith, and the Chairman G.H.B.Ward.

The Birch Hall Quarries, Ltd., built the View Indicator ; Kershaw's. of Stockport, did the engraving of it, and Messrs. Harlow, of Stockport, defrayed the cost of the engraving, and gave the metal. Mr. Cyril H. Farmer designed the indicator and inscription, and he, with Messrs. Arthur Smith, H. E. Wild, and Mr. Beard, Assist. Dist. Surveyor for the Chapel-en-le-Frith R.D.C., plotted the points on the View Indicator. Thank you all !

The area of the summit-with public access to it, given to the Nation, some 30 acres, cost, in all, £200 8s. 0d., the pillar of the View Indicator £25, and sundry expenses £17 6s. 6d.

Edwin Royce (d. 2/12/46, aged 66) and his 25 years full, continuous work, writing, and lecturing for freedom of mountain and moor, path, and unravished scene without desire for monetary reward, job, political fame, and place, or that modern use of Yankee " publicity " for publicity's sake. He knew our weakness and our modern indifference towards working for the just cause which characterised our old men's and father's struggle against the great odds. Arthur Smith, like Ambler, Price and Wild, etc., know that, outside his adopted Manchester, Edwin Royce well merited this monument on the hills he left in the dawn of their freedom ; and a cherished memory in the hearts of those who work for the general good, and goodness, of man.


So always remember, The Peak District National Park along with almost all other countryside footpaths, were not given to you to use. They are only available now because of the result of hard solid voluntary work arguing for them.

Some of these people are mentioned above.

hanks you two for discussing this and posting your links. It's really interesting, and we'll have to go and find some on our future walks. Perhaps you'd like to join us? :thumbsup:

hanks you two for discussing this and posting your links. It's really interesting, and we'll have to go and find some on our future walks. Perhaps you'd like to join us? :thumbsup:

Next week end. Train about 10 or 11.00am. From Dore to Grindleford. Return by a nice walk back to Totley/Dore via Lady Cross and passing the pile of stones on Totley Moors. Should be back for 3.30pm.
Are you In?

Not a "Viewpoint" as such - but is the memorial to "Tipp the Dog" still at the Ladybower reservoirs??? I think it's the Howden Dam....?? I remember taking a photo of that some years ago.....

Not a "Viewpoint" as such - but is the memorial to "Tipp the Dog" still at the Ladybower reservoirs??? I think it's the Howden Dam....?? I remember taking a photo of that some years ago.....

Is this Memorial, Toposcope, Viewpoint situated either on 'Lost Lad' at the Howden Dam or is it closer to Bamford?. Does the photo scan well?
Walk next Sunday leaving Dore Station to Grindleford at 11.52. cost £1.45 single. Going via Longshaw, White Edge, Totley Moss, Dropping down to either Totley, Totleybrook or Dore about 3.30. All welcome. Flask and snack useful. No booze.

Hi, Albert, as far as I can remember the story is that "Tipp" was a dog belonging to a farmer, the farmer died up on (I think!!!) Howden Moor and Tipp stayed with the farmers body for 5 days or so before it was found. When Tipp died, a memorial stone for him was erected at the side of one of the dams - again Howden Dam comes to mind. I'm sure I still have the photo, or at least the negative, it's just finding it - I've been doing black and white photography for nearly 20 years or so, and I have a LOT of photos!!!!!!! I'm going to see the parents this afternoon, so I'll ask them about the story ...........

Hi, Albert, as far as I can remember the story is that "Tipp" was a dog belonging to a farmer, the farmer died up on (I think!!!) Howden Moor and Tipp stayed with the farmers body for 5 days or so before it was found. When Tipp died, a memorial stone for him was erected at the side of one of the dams - again Howden Dam comes to mind. I'm sure I still have the photo, or at least the negative, it's just finding it - I've been doing black and white photography for nearly 20 years or so, and I have a LOT of photos!!!!!!! I'm going to see the parents this afternoon, so I'll ask them about the story ...........
I like black and white photos.

Ok, I've just found it......... luckily, it was in the second pile I looked through!!! I got a bit of the story wrong...

The inscription reads:

In commemoration of the devotion of TIP.
The sheepdog which stayed by the body of her dead master, Mr Joseph Tagg, on the Howden Moors, for fifteen weeks from 12th December 1953 to 27th March 1954.
Erected by public subscription.

I remember having to walk up the hill above the Ladybower Dam to get to it. I took this photo a long time ago!!!! Albert, if you'd like a copy, I'm sure I could scan it for you!!!! I'd like to know if it's still there......

Grahame, I love doing B/W and I have (must be!!!) thousands of photos - some better than others......

Grahame, I love doing B/W and I have (must be!!!) thousands of photos - some better than others......

I would love to see some of them please if that is possible, especially any around Bradfield, Derwent, Hathersage and Castleton?

Ok, I've just found it......... luckily, it was in the second pile I looked through!!! I got a bit of the story wrong...

The inscription reads:

In commemoration of the devotion of TIP.
The sheepdog which stayed by the body of her dead master, Mr Joseph Tagg, on the Howden Moors, for fifteen weeks from 12th December 1953 to 27th March 1954.
Erected by public subscription.

I remember having to walk up the hill above the Ladybower Dam to get to it. I took this photo a long time ago!!!! Albert, if you'd like a copy, I'm sure I could scan it for you!!!! I'd like to know if it's still there......

Grahame, I love doing B/W and I have (must be!!!) thousands of photos - some better than others......

I would definitely like a copy of the photo to begin the collection of photographs of Viewpointers, Plaques, Memorials Etc in the Peak District National Park which I would like to collect and put on a CD-Rom.

I'll trace the original appeal and history and let you have it, unless someone already would like to let us all know?

Ok, I've just found it......... luckily, it was in the second pile I looked through!!! I got a bit of the story wrong...

The inscription reads:

In commemoration of the devotion of TIP.
The sheepdog which stayed by the body of her dead master, Mr Joseph Tagg, on the Howden Moors, for fifteen weeks from 12th December 1953 to 27th March 1954.
Erected by public subscription.

I remember having to walk up the hill above the Ladybower Dam to get to it. I took this photo a long time ago!!!! Albert, if you'd like a copy, I'm sure I could scan it for you!!!! I'd like to know if it's still there......

Grahame, I love doing B/W and I have (must be!!!) thousands of photos - some better than others......

Has anyone got more information regarding the, 'Public Subsciption'.
Was any of your relations involved direct or in-directly in the fund raising? and how much was raised?
Its all our own history that should be written down for others to read and know about if they are interested.
Carol: It is a very, very good photograph. Thank you.

Does anyone else know where in the Peak District National Park any further Viewpointers - Toposcopes - Landmarks Etc are.
Grid Ref would be helpful. Remember (E)astings before (N)orthing.
Just like in the alphabet (E) is before (N).

Dont all rush at once to tell me where they are. I'm a slow writer.