As we are nearing that magical time of year, I was just wondering how many Forumers actually believe in Father Christmas? Does he really exist or is he something we all wish really existed?

As we are nearing that magical time of year, I was just wondering how many Forumers actually believe in Father Christmas? Does he really exist or is he something we all wish really existed?

are you trying to say that he's not real :o

My adult side would say it is totally ridiculous, but my childlike side knows that he exists and believes wholeheartedly. The child in me usually wins, there has to be something hopeful and good in this horrible world!! :partyhat: :wave:

Isn't he based upon St. Nicholas?

They reckon so, he was nothing like the jolly red Coca-Cola version anyway!

Hey!!! Father Christmas exists.......................... Don't shatter my illusion!!! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

My grandad told us (me and younger bro) that he was father xmas when we were younger and that he had a special key that let him open every single front door so he could deliver the presents.

We didn't believe him though, as obviously santa has a big white beard and isn't brown!

Hey!!! Father Christmas exists.......................... Don't shatter my illusion!!! :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I hate the fat, sack of christmas pudding!!...He let me down when I was 7 years old and I've never forgiven him.

At school we were all asked to write a letter to santa and tell him what we wanted for christmas. My mate asked for a snooker table which I thought was too much and thought Santa will never get that down the chimney! I'm going to ask for something sensible.

Anyway, I wrote a very nice, polite letter asking for a watch. No problems getting that into the house I thought, he could even push it under my door if the chimney was awkward for him at our house.

Come Christmas, I ran all around the house looking but found absolutely nothing! when I got back to school I heard that my friend HAD got his snooker table!! :mad: What! How did he get that down the chimney and I never got my watch! I was well upset. :rant:

Now, I'm much older and wiser I've realised that muslim families didn't celebrate Christmas.:( :P

I absoultely Blieve in him~
HE is Great~

Believing in Father Christmas is no dafter than believing in Jesus Christ. At the end of the day, they're both fictional characters.

oh my god is that coca- cola advert back?

ahh its the time of year when the jolly red fat man cums down your chimney...

....messy....

*sorry couldn't resist*

If anyone breaks in to my house on xmas eve, they're getting a sword rammed where the sun doesn't shine.

I haven't believed in pere noel since I was told he didn't exist by trhe teacher in my first year of Primary school, though it was a C of E school, and they were quite dogmatic, so its understandable.

I believe I believe I believe

Oh yes - I don't dismiss Santa. Just in case.. I am the same about Jesus... just edging my bets.

As we are nearing that magical time of year, I was just wondering how many Forumers actually believe in Father Christmas? Does he really exist or is he something we all wish really existed?

I think you'd better start believing or they'll be no pressies for you this year :hihi:

I believe in Father Christmas but I won't be getting what I want this year :(

Of course he exists!

Google have 23,900 pictures of him so he must exist....

http://images.google.com/images?q=father%20christmas&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

He even has a spot in wikipedia.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Christmas

A fat bloke who does 1 nights work a year....is he John Prescott in disguise?

Bad news folks... (http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Santa's%20Grave.jpg)

More bad news
http://www.funny-games.biz/pictures/306-santaplane.html

Hell yes i believe in Father Christmas, and his elves too, along with Mrs Clause.

Anyone who says otherwise should get charcoal for Christmas :rant:

Bad news folks... (http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Santa's%20Grave.jpg)

PMSL!:hihi: :thumbsup:

Lestat I found your post quite sad & amusing at the same time, how awful for a 7 year old!!!
My daughter is 8 years old & I think she started doubting father christmas exists last year. A week ago she admitted she no longer believes in him. I was quite sad when she told me & she saw my sadness. I din't agree with her, I just said of course he exists. She kept on saying he doesn't & saying the usual things like how come he is in every shop in town at the same time then?
Anyway a day later after realising she'd shattered my illusions that she believed she told me she was only joking & did really believe in him.
I think she is saying this to make me happy or perhaps thinking we won't buy her anything if she doesn't believe & I'm not sure how to tackle this.
Do I tell her the truth but then she may really believe or do I carry on the pretence? What age do you shatter their illusions & agree he doesn't exist?

ahh its the time of year when the jolly red fat man cums down your chimney...

Not any more, mate! He’s noted that lots of houses no longer have chimneys that work so he’s moved with the times. Still takes his mince pie and glass of sherry though, and good luck to him; he works hard! All year making toys and then having to deliver ’em himself. No fixed hours with a contract of employment for him. He’s self-employed, so at least he can fiddle the heavenly tax man — and there’s a perk! He’s allowed to live longer because even the immigrants don’t want the job.

I'm not sure how to tackle this.
Do I tell her the truth but then she may really believe or do I carry on the pretence? What age do you shatter their illusions & agree he doesn't exist?

It's simple. Tell her all the Santa's that are in shops are not real...it's easy to see they're not real. They are imitating the one real Santa who visits everyone on Xmas night. These are people are chosen by Santa to work for him and make the kids who are not so clever still believe in the magic.

Tell her that she actually knows the secret now, but not to tell the other kids who go to visit all these Santa's in the shops because it'll ruin their Xmas. She is one of the few now, who knows that a real Santa will be visiting her on Christmas. :thumbsup:

Wow Lestat you surely must celebrate christmas with the fantastic answers you give???
Thankyou I will try it, it may work for one more year.
But I do believe its us parents who can't cope with the truth.

of course santa is real.

all you naughty people who don't think he is don't deserve a nice christmas

i believe in santa to

So let’s test his reality then.

Dear Santa, I don’t need a lot to keep me hapy for anuther yeer so I wud like a wuden fort with led solgers, a great big Meckarno set in a wuden bokx wot I can take to an awkshun and get a lot of muny for, and an electric train set what’ll bring me sum spendin muny at the saim awkshun, and sum aples and pares and banananans and graips what I cud eet wile I’m wachin sum telyvishun what my mum sez is gud for me. She sayz Im a gud boy and will vowch for me.

Thank yoo, from Peter.

P.S. We liv in a flat so got not chinmy. I will wait for you at the frunt entranse so don’t hang abowt supin cherry and eetin mince pise cos its cold owtside. Hope this mesidge reeches you cos I reely need sumthin new to play with. Dont want a cumpewter cos ower leccys cut off.
My mum sais to creep a bit and send ower best wishes for crssmass.

if you've been very good all year you shall have it

I wish more people believed in Santa more so than what any Tom, Dick or Harry said or what some of the papers say!

Now that would be a nice christmas for everyone!!

It's very hard to explain to my little granddaughters how he gets down the central heating flue pipe, but if they believe then so do I.

That Santa's spirit exists is proved by the joy and generosity of Christmas.
There is no proof of his physical manifestation as a fat man in a reindeer drawn sleigh; but that don't disprove nothing, nohow.
He still exists.

When i was a kid, we did the old thing of leaving a mince pie ,and a glass of sherry for him.

I intend to keep up this tradition if i have kids, but with slightly more knowledge than i had as a kid,

I'm going to tell them that santa likes 8 cans of Carling, and a 12" Pepperoni pizza.

ash

p.s and 20 Embassy Number One

Course theres a Santa, he brings me prezzies every year. Mind you I dont know what will happen this year though, cos I haven't been as good as I should have. ;)

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

Santa...Man or Myth?
Let's examine the facts.
1)
There are approximately two billion children (persons under eighteen) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.
2)
Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house.
Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks.
This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second - 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour.
3)
The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them - Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, by another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).
4)
600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance --- this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of Reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the Reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip.
Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in .001 seconds, would be subjected to centrifugal forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.
5)
Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now.
Merry Christmas!

"A poor excuse for picking a man's pocket every Twenty-Fifth of December!"

I lv xmas......:hihi:

^^^
:o :( :sad: :cry: Spoilsport

Madowl - doesn't Santa use magic though??...Christmas cheer etc... I've seen The Santa Clause & Miracle on 90,210th Street :cool:

...When father christmas makes or pays for the prezzies I'm buying for people this year, I'll beleive in him...

^^^
:o :( :sad: :cry: SpoilsportScrooge or Grinch?

Yeah he is out there, so i hope you have been a good girl

Yeah he is out there, so i hope you have been a good girl

:o Thats me getting nothing this year then. :o

...When father christmas makes or pays for the prezzies I'm buying for people this year, I'll beleive in him...

You will feel good giving them out though. :)

You see, because there are some many people in the world for Santa Claus to visit, he enlists people like you to act as his helper. :)

He only does this to the children who believe in him, and when they grow up such children become his helpers, as you have now.

A Very Happy Christmas, Dave20046 ........ (from another of Santa's helpers, enlisted by my own treasured belief in him as a child) :thumbsup:

:D :thumbsup:

Santa...Man or Myth?
Let's examine the facts.
1)
There are approximately two billion children (persons under eighteen) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each.
2)
Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has around 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house.
Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purposes of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or breaks.
This means Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second - 3,000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and a conventional reindeer can run (at best) 15 miles per hour.
3)
The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500 thousand tons, not counting Santa himself. On land, a conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting that the "flying" reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job can't be done with eight or even nine of them - Santa would need 360,000 of them. This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, by another 54,000 tons, or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch).
4)
600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance --- this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as a spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of Reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second each. In short, they would burst into flames almost instantaneously, exposing the Reindeer behind them and creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip.
Not that it matters, however, since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 m.p.s. in .001 seconds, would be subjected to centrifugal forces of 17,500 g's. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering blob of pink goo.
5)
Therefore, if Santa did exist, he's dead now.
Merry Christmas!

"A poor excuse for picking a man's pocket every Twenty-Fifth of December!"

I lv xmas......:hihi:you are of course forgetting hes magic. therefore the normal physical laws of the universe no longer apply

you are of course forgetting hes magic. therefore the normal physical laws of the universe no longer applyWhen santa has the "magic" to also pay for the "xmas time of year" where "Greed and want" are a must.... then i will say "I belive..." until then i will do what i do every christmas.... fill someone else's pocket. :rolleyes:
"Bah, humbug!"i enjoy the partys the presents the smiles on kids faces.... what i dont like is the greed that goes with it and the misery that christmas causes for 1000s of people who have very little to "buy" their happy xmas....:mad:

If anyone's interested, NORAD, the North American Air Defence Command tracks Santa every year as he sets out to deliver all those goodies. By using the thermal tracking systems they have to monitor missile launches, they pick up the heat from Rudolph's nose & track the progress.

If you want to watch the event use the following link
http://www.noradsanta.org/en/default.php

He's watching remember.......;)