I hear EI is coming to the Arena in December. I shall have to start saving up as I think he is gorgeous and very talented.

My hubby can't understand how I could possible fancy a guy who cross dresses and wears make up but he is just sooooo sexy.

Anybody else (male or female) think EI is the bees knees.:wow:

I have a problem with the guy since he did a documentry slagging of my homeland :D .

Whatever floats your boat Mo!!! :D

Moon Maiden

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
I have a problem with the guy since he did a documentry slagging of my homeland :D .

Whatever floats your boat Mo!!! :D

Moon Maiden

Tell me more Moon. Do you mean Barnsley and the sort of thing that Jeremy Clarkson did to Rotherham.

.....I'm going to see Eddie Izzard.....in Nottingham in December......in Nottingham...........didn't manage to get seats in Sheffield...........but I'm near the front:D

No - He did an documentry for the Discovery Channel or something like that - that sited everything that the British hold sacred as forgien.

I personally have a pet hate for anyone or anything that immediately tries to take everything away from the British Nation and refuses to acknowledge what we have actually done for our country and the world at large.
Like National Debt :D

Moon Maiden

He wasn't slagging off your homeland, merely pointing out the irony in our treatment of immigrants when you consider the impact that they've had on our society.

oh of course - i forget the British Isles was impotent before the immigrants came - my mistake.

You do realise that ignorance is not a virtue.

Moon Maiden

We're all descended from immigrants. My lot came over in 1066.

Immigration was part of the world order since humans first walked the earth - the first humans were wandering tribes people.
After the Ice age we had the first peoples that settled on these isles after being cut off from the European continent.

A body found in the Cheddar gorge dated from the retreat of the last Ice Sheets was found to have a 'direct' descendant living less than four miles from where the body was discovered. Example of a true British person??

The British Isles had developed independantly of all surrounding cultures and nations, farming and agricultural techniques, trade, crafts and of course my personal favourite - religious beliefs and practises.

So just what was it you were talking about again? No such thing as the British Isles before immigration?? I guess it depends on how you take the scientific and historical information available.

Moon Maiden

Read what I said again. Then read what you did. Then feel silly.

All the series was saying is that attitudes like yours (blinkered nationalism tinged with xenophobia) were precisely what Izzard was showing to be illogical considering the fact that, especially since the renaissance, we've been highly influenced by our non-native population.

"The British Isles had developed independantly of all surrounding cultures and nations, farming and agricultural techniques, trade, crafts and of course my personal favourite - religious beliefs and practises."

This is just not true. The British Isles was at the forefront of exploration and trade, and was highly influenced by a number of factors - the French invasion, for example, or the discovery of the spice routes, or the appreciation of the arts brought about by the renaissance, or the teachings of Marx and Engels, or ...

One can go on and on.

This is just not true. The British Isles was at the forefront of exploration and trade, and was highly influenced by a number of factors - the French invasion, for example, or the discovery of the spice routes, or the appreciation of the arts brought about by the renaissance, or the teachings of Marx and Engels, or ...

One can go on and on.


Feel silly? Excuse me but I think not I have studied the area of Pre history in Britian you quite obviously have not - so refer to the ignorant section of my post and add arrogant to it too.

Perhaps you should go back again and check your PRE History. The British Isles was exploring and trading using boats BEFORE any rubbish with the French. Remains of oak boats have been dug up.

There is a practice in History called Archaeology - you may like to take a look at if - it is very interesting. You never know you may learn something - because you are obviously stuck in a period of history that is completely irrelevant to my arguments.

My opinions have bog all to do with "blinkered nationalism tinged with xenophobia. The references you bring up are much later to mine and prove nothing other than your desire to 'slander' anyone with any pride in themselves and their country.

I have had this sort of argument with you before Waxy Chuff and and I am not impressed in the slightest at your continued attempts to tarnish me with racist and xenophobic labels and I ask you in the kindest possible way to quit it.

Moon Maiden

Originally posted by Miss_60
.....I'm going to see Eddie Izzard.....in Nottingham in December......in Nottingham...........didn't manage to get seats in Sheffield...........but I'm near the front:D

So all seats have gone in Sheffield then S***, and I've only just found out that he is coming.

You will hae to be quicker next time.

Perhasp one of the local radio stations have tickets?? There may be other competitions.

Perhasp Geoff shoudl write to his agent and request that you have VIP tickets!!!!

Moon

I'm not saying that immigrants made THE major contribution to our society, but A major contribution to our society. Eddie Izzard wasn't trying to argue that all British achievements were as a result of immigrants, but that our "Mongrel Nation" cannot be decsribed as anything other than a mix of varying ethnicities origins that have combined to become great.

You're right, I haven't studied "pre-history" in any great depth, but I do know quite a bit about British history. You may well be proud of the fact that we made wooden boats without French interference (let's forget for a moment that France didn't actually exist then!!), but that wasn't what Izzard was really talking about. He told of the rise of consumerism and the influence immigrant shopkeepers (including the Marks in Marks and Sparks) had on trdaing practices, he talked of the Bank of England's emergence as the controlling factor in our growing economy, he spoke of vast changes in politics and ethics. He WASN'T talking about prehistoric times.

I've NEVER said that there "was no British Isles before immigrants" nor that it was "impotent" before their arrival, and neither did Eddie Izzard. He made a though-provoking documentary that poked a finger in the eye of those who say "Keep Britain for the British".

I don't understand why you can't acknowledge the simple fact that immigrants have contributed to this society. I'm asking for nothing more than that - no acceptance of current immigration policy, no capitulation on your pre-history point - just that these people have helped make Great Britain great.

Why can't you do that?

I can accept that as a nation we have absorbed and utilised many nations and many cultures who have seen fit to come here and used them to our best advantage and then given them back to the world.

I cannot accept that the people made Britian great - because it is Britain that made the people great. If we were such a crap country then why have cultures and nations seen fit to come here century upon century??
It wasn't the people - it was the land and what it had to offer. It is this country - the stuff beneath your feet - that has shaped and moulded every person who has the pleasure of living on it.

I am not English - I am British by default because I happened to have been born on a British colony - otherwise I would be Spanish. My family's heritage is French (urgh), Irish, German and we have a direct line to viking ancestry. So I am hardly a pure Brit. Not one of those has anything to do with the British Isles - The Saxon Chronicles don't even site Ireland as part of the Isles.

What I get peed off about is this constant insistence that the British must shut up about being proud of their nation - the documentry Eddie did was a 'contributing' piece of media to a noisy section who don't like the Isles to have anything worthy, and is why I am not a fan.

I've NEVER said that there "was no British Isles before immigrants" nor that it was "impotent" before their arrival, and neither did Eddie Izzard. He made a though-provoking documentary that poked a finger in the eye of those who say "Keep Britain for the British"

I know you didn't but I was addressing a point that Maxt wrote not you.
As for impotent see above.
Why not keep Britain for the British - as many people say what is British now??? There are many people who are not historically from these Isles that proudly call themselves British and rightly so.
It is politically correct for a black man to shout about how proud he is of being British - but if my husband shouted about how proud he is to be British he would be branded a racist, and a xenophobe and all sorts of other political crap.

As a historical add on - Sheffielders who have a long family history in the area can boast a very British descent. The area was left to the descendants of the Brigantes for about 4000 years until the Normans turned up in 1150.

So my seemed inability is a fierce love and loyalty to the dirt beneath my feet and I am very sorry to entwine my spiritual beliefs with the political ones - but I won't be the first and most certainly not the last.

Moon Maiden

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your nationality, so long as one accepts the fact that with all the positive effects we had on the world, we also caused a great deal of damage. I'm not asking people to stop "being proud" (although I'm still unsure as to how useful it is, given that your average Briton is such a mish-mash of genetic material, to allow yourself to be defined by place of birth or country of residence), just to make sure that they accept that certain things done in the name of Great Britain were morally reprehensible.

You are right to point out that the concept of being "British" is fairly amorphous these days. But the reason that some people might call your husband a racist for shouting about his pride in being British is that a helluva lot of people think being British means white anglo-saxon. These people, unfortunately, make the most noise in the "proud to be British" department. So, I agree that it is sad that pride in one's heritage can be assumed to be racist, but there are far too many vocal people who just don't agree with you or I on what it means to be British.

I thought that the documentary ADDED rather than took away from the general debate on immigration, and should be applauded for that if nothing else.

BTW, I'm from south west Scotland, and as in love with and loyal to the area in which I was raised as you are!!

So, I agree that it is sad that pride in one's heritage can be assumed to be racist, but there are far too many vocal people who just don't agree with you or I on what it means to be British.

All the more reason for me not to shut up :D and being quiet isn't one of my most.......virtuous qualities.

Moon Maiden

WTF?! We actually agree on something...!

Originally posted by waxy chuff
WTF?! We actually agree on something...!

See there must be a god because a miracle has just happened - that or I have bewitched you with evil magick????

Moon Maiden

And here was me thinking that you were a white witch...

BTW any love potion recipes going?

Originally posted by waxy chuff
And here was me thinking that you were a white witch...

BTW any love potion recipes going?

Sorry mate I don't come in flavours :D Love potions - now there is a witchy moral dilema.

Love spells - that is the ones that make someone in particular fall in love - work. Que the bunny boiler girlfriend from hell.
Many witches will not work these either for themselves or other people due to the removal of free will and the bunny boiler aspect

However there are spells available that call to the cosmos/powers that be/whatever for you true mate. It is better to be specific rather than asking for love to come your way - because you don't know what form that is coming in.

Moon Maiden

Aha! So, money can buy you love. Can I sue The Beatles after all these years?

Also - not all witches charge for their services - but other payment arrangements are made available :D :D

Moon Maiden

Now I am scared.

But seriously, love spells work? How do you know?

Reports back from customers is our only yard stick. Also experiementation.

Moon Maiden

Eddie Izzard, who is he? just another bloody PERVERT I GUESS.!!!:x

No Hal he's not a pervert. I'm laughing cos you sound just like my mum:lol:

He's what used to be termed an alternative comedian but he's now turned his hand to some serious acting. The thing is he happens to be a cross dresser. He wears sexy girlie things and the full make up but as far as I know he isn't gay. Maybe he is bisexual, oh I don't know. Either way he is gorgeous and easily the most sexy male (after my husband of course) that I know. :banana:

Im off to see the Izzard the wonderful Izzard of Oz (even tho he aint Austrailian!) :banana:
Gonna go see the genius of Eddie Izzard 2moz at Sheffy Arena......whoops soz its the Hallam Fm Arena now innit?

Dont spose anyone else is goin?

whoooo! v happy!! :thumbsup:

Mwah! XXX

Me, Nomme and Fletch going tomorrow too.
:D

And me and Hiyabeing! Not sure when we'll turn up though... do you think it's worth queueing up early?

I'm off to see Eddie tonight - bring it on!!!!

Yeah, me too, can't wait.

It seems like there's going to be a number of Forum regulars there tonight. Maybe we all should meet and have a pint and/or a chat?

Originally posted by Dick Dastardly
It seems like there's going to be a number of Forum regulars there tonight. Maybe we all should meet and have a pint and/or a chat?

Nice idea Dick, Unfortunately I can't commit to meeting before the gig as I'm not sure what time we'll be setting off.
If a meet is arranged (before or after) let me know 'where & when' and we can try and make it.

Nomme

Would be cool 2 meet up wi a few peeps but dunno what time me and chums are setting off!

Gonna pop to pub beforehand cos drinks are goddamn pricey in Arena :mad:

Hope you all have a good un!
Im gonna be goin like summat out of Rocky Horror! bit more restrained tho! I'll be the mad person waving a red feather boa! keep em peeled! :loopy:

Mwah xxx

I will be going straight from work, stopping off at centretainment for some food before I make my way to the Arena. More than happy to meet with anyone afterwards.

I wanna go out after gig!
Might have to convince the chums a bit!

Will go to centertainment after if its still open and boogie woogie on the dance machine!

Owwwwwwww!

:loopy:

What a gig. Totally enjoyed myself and it was well worth the amount I spent on the ticket. WHat did you think to Mosherchik, Nomme?

Really enjoyed it, though as with many comedy things I've seen I'm struggling to recall any of his jokes.....

...something about horses with bits of wood nailed to their hooves, and chewing gum on the wood in order that they can hold cards and had learned to play canasta......

...flies trying to get out of a window chanting like monks....

....rich people on horses with flame throwers hunting flies instead of foxes...

....medusa at the hairdressers....

...transvestites and superheroes....

...guide dogs that had failed to get their licence....

Hmm. I guess you had to be there - it's the way he tells 'em.

Nomme

You forgot the exploding breasts, nomme!!

Totally fantastic. What about the monkeys sending bananas to the pope. God I forgot most of the stuff he talked about last night.

Originally posted by Dick Dastardly
You forgot the exploding breasts, nomme!!

Totally fantastic. What about the monkeys sending bananas to the pope. God I forgot most of the stuff he talked about last night.

I really did just LOL. I'd forgotten about the monkeys and the pope. 'Stop sending me bananas!'

Oh and the nibblies on the plane and the fork in the leg and the screaming child - 'I don't want to go to Denver'...

Nomme

You forgot about Mars at the window!

Very funny gig I thought, though it was a but like watching a DVD on a big screen (from where I was sat).

I really enjoyed myself!

Best line apart from al of it was
"Everything I say is the truth apart from the lies...."

Marvellous! Gonna try and fit that into conversation!

Fire engines chucking cats out
Meeeeeeowwwwww...Meeeeeeowwwwww...Meeeeeeowwwwww.. .Meeeeeeowwwwww

Who saw me waving my boa! got red feathers everywhere!!!

:thumbsup:

What about the fire horses wanting to go upstairs and play Canasta (is that how u spell it?) - having nailed blocks of wood to their hooves and chewing gum to hold the cards - my favourite that.

Yes Mosher - I liked the 'everything i said is true... apart from the lies' too.

I also likes the 'most racists i've met are much ruder than smokers.....smokers will ask if you mind them smoking then go outside if you say yes, racists don't even ask if you mind - they're just racist...'

Good time, lots of laughter - nice red feather boa Mosher.

:thumbsup:

Heh, I've just remembered the whole bit about Neanderthals. :D

Originally posted by Mosherchik
"Everything I say is the truth apart from the lies...."

Absolutely the best line! I even texted that to a friend of mine halfway through!! I'd forgotten the mars at the window routine as well. Very funny! I can only remember some of the topics he covered!

> Space, mars, neanderthals, fire, flies, gregorian chants, greek myths, fire engines, tourists vs terrorists, the koran, vikings, guide dogs, the plague, horse riding, fox hunting, racists, exploding breasts, ... <

Anyone remember any more?! :D