Im sure you heard this on the news this morning.

SUPERNANNIES are to be drafted in to South Yorkshire help parents tame their unruly children.

Mr Blair criticised those who complain about Government interference.
"The nanny state argument applied to this is just rubbish," he said.
"No-one is talking about interfering in normal family life. But life isn't normal if you've got 12-year-olds out every night drinking and creating a nuisance on the street with their parents either not knowing or not caring. In these circumstances a bit of nannying with sticks and carrots is what the local community needs."

As well as the network of parenting experts, the Government is also publishing a list of parenting tips written by other mums and dads.
The Government already provides voluntary parenting classes for some families, but the mums and dads of bullies will be forced to attend lessons or face a £1,000 fine.

So what do you think?

Im sure you heard this on the news this morning.

SUPERNANNIES are to be drafted in to South Yorkshire help parents tame their unruly children.

Mr Blair criticised those who complain about Government interference.
"The nanny state argument applied to this is just rubbish," he said.
"No-one is talking about interfering in normal family life. But life isn't normal if you've got 12-year-olds out every night drinking and creating a nuisance on the street with their parents either not knowing or not caring. In these circumstances a bit of nannying with sticks and carrots is what the local community needs."

As well as the network of parenting experts, the Government is also publishing a list of parenting tips written by other mums and dads.
The Government already provides voluntary parenting classes for some families, but the mums and dads of bullies will be forced to attend lessons or face a £1,000 fine.

So what do you think?

I have already been asked to write a tip, and you can see in here first:

Tip 45 - Don't let your 12 year old child go out every night drinking and creating a nuisance on the street.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that, once this tip is published, we will have no more trouble in South Yorkshire.

It is about time they did something. Kids are getting more and more daring in what they do and they know the law will protect them so it's down to the parents. I can see it causing no end of arguments tho.

I have already been asked to write a tip, and you can see in here first:



I think I speak for everyone when I say that, once this tip is published, we will have no more trouble in South Yorkshire.

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi: Nice one KenH

Has "our Tony" made provision for the parents of these scumbags to have an additional course on "How to read" too?

I do get confused though. I watched the report on this at breakfast and DS#1 was half watching whilst packing his bag. (school bag I didnt evict him :P )

Without any prompting from me he said, "well as far as I can tell its how your parents bring you up. I know I wouldnt dare get away with behaving like that" pointing to kids running over the tops of cars on the TV. "If they were a bit more strict like you are Mum, not that your that strict -you know what I mean - they wouldnt be out doing stuff like that, so I blame their parents"

This is from an 11yr old!

I can't say I'm surprised and I did read , a while ago, about a recruitment drive for this. Obviously something has to be done but I feel rather cynical about it.

Why on earth would the government want to create a role that doesn't need to be created :suspect: . Wouldn't it be far easier to give back some power to teachers and the police. Teachers are over worked as it is, for sure....but hey, that's down to the government wanting to push the figures and make everything over prescriptive. They love to make it complicated don't they.......and it couldn't possibly be for the sake of money :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Is anyone going to this? http://www.westminster-briefing.com/events/Improving_childrens_wellbeing.htm

Is anyone going to this? http://www.westminster-briefing.com/events/Improving_childrens_wellbeing.htm

Not me but will be getting feedback from it. You going?

I can't say I'm surprised and I did read , a while ago, about a recruitment drive for this. Obviously something has to be done but I feel rather cynical about it.

Why on earth would the government want to create a role that doesn't need to be created :suspect: . Wouldn't it be far easier to give back some power to teachers and the police. Teachers are over worked as it is, for sure....but hey, that's down to the government wanting to push the figures and make everything over prescriptive. They love to make it complicated don't they.......and it couldn't possibly be for the sake of money :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I think that we are causing the problem by expecting teachers and the police to do something about it. Here is my plan:-

1. Reclaim the streets. People drive home in their metal boxes and then sit inside with the curtains closed. If the community used the streets then the streets would be busy rather than just being dead quiet except for the odd group of youths.

2. The community should band together and confront parents whose children they can identify. usually they know who some of them are.

3. Have a zero tolerance policy against even the smallest issue, such as swearing in the street. The police should respond because this will save them money later.

4. Educate parents to spend time with their children, for example all eting together. Don't let them go oout on to the street at all unless they are taking part in some activity.

Not me but will be getting feedback from it. You going?

Yes, so I expect I'll be writing up notes from it too.

I think that we are causing the problem by expecting teachers and the police to do something about it. Here is my plan:-

1. Reclaim the streets. People drive home in their metal boxes and then sit inside with the curtains closed. If the community used the streets then the streets would be busy rather than just being dead quiet except for the odd group of youths. Unfortunately KenH most people don't care. They are quite happy to bleat on about the youth of today but wouldnt dream of walking through their areas let alone communicating with people.

2. The community should band together and confront parents whose children they can identify. usually they know who some of them are. You are right, badly behaved children are identifiable in some communities IF point one is carried out, if you never leave your 'metal box' you wouldnt have a clue. That said as in my previous post, bad kids usually come from uneducated uncaring parents so confronting them would probably be counterproductive or even dangerous.

3. Have a zero tolerance policy against even the smallest issue, such as swearing in the street. The police should respond because this will save them money later. I think there should be a curfew for any child under 16. After 8pm they should be indoors. It was tried in some areas of the country and worked.

4. Educate parents to spend time with their children, for example all eting together. Don't be silly ;) that means they have to buy a dining table (joke) spending time with kids is tiring and time consuming. I must admit that after baking yesterday and 3 hours of monopoly I was ready for a rest, alot of parents dont want to spend time with their children which is why they equip them with PSP/XBOX/PS2 etc.

If everyone signed up to your charter however Ken the world would indeed be a nicer place to live in :D

Yes, so I expect I'll be writing up notes from it too.

Well if you would like to share I would be most grateful :D

Well if you would like to share I would be most grateful :D


well, I'm open to bribery :hihi:

Of course I'll share them :D

With the governments original 'no smacking children' this is what happens - Unruly uncontrollable kids , Parents who don't know where their kids are never mind what their doing. .....RESPECT has diminished through the years ...
My Parents were scared to do anything wrong at school or otherwise for fear of the cane ....I was a little nervous about misbehaving -due to detentions etc and now kids rule the schools - the teachers can't do anything to discipline ....It's a vicious circle and it can only get worse.:mad:

I beleive this increase in younger parenting is a contribution too....:rant:

The increase in badly behaved children is not relevant to the anti smacking campaign. You will probably find that the children who are in this catagory regularly get a good hiding at home and this is one of the reasons why they dont think twice about lamping some kid in the street for no reason.

I dont want to harp on about violence breeds violence but I honestly believe its true.

As for young parents, from what I recall parenting is happening later in life rather than younger. And you can't blame the age of the parent for the way a child turns out, its the tools they have to work with thats the problem.

Example: If a 16yr old girl has a baby and her family background has been unstable/violent/neglectful she is not going to be well equipped for parenting well. We learn from our mothers and fathers.

On the other hand, I know many parents who had children at a young age and are wonderfully responsible.

Yes I agree to a certain extent

But there isn't any discipline anymore ...

I was smacked as a child and I've never felt the need to thump people now or as a teenager ...and will bring up my children to respect other people..

And as for the 16yr old comment - I don't feel it's neccessary for a 16 yr old to have a child ....IMHO

And as for the 16yr old comment - I don't feel it's neccessary for a 16 yr old to have a child ....IMHO

Not neccessary but a fact of life unfortunately. :( What do you propose? How are you going to stop that happening?

Not neccessary but a fact of life unfortunately. :( What do you propose? How are you going to stop that happening?

I have no perfect answers to your questions only my opinion

Personally I can't stop the majority :( but I'll try my utmost for my kids to enjoy life before commiting to the 'family life' at such a young age.:thumbsup:

Lets just hope i'm not posting about my unruly kids in 15 yrs time fox :(

IMHO the bottom line is that the children who are 'running riot' are not participating in family life.

They get pushed out of the door to school in the morning, usually after having to make their own breakfast because either:

a) Parent/s have already left for work
b) Parents are still in bed/cant be bothered.


This gives them the opportunity to truant and get into trouble, mixing with other kids who have no positive discipline.

Or they just don't get to school because the parents can't be bothered to get up and take them.

A child who doesnt believe that they have a responsibility to attend school will not have any respect for it or other authorities.

When my son said "why do I have to go to school" my response was the same reason I have to go to work. We all have responsibilities we might not like but thats life, get used to it.

So child turns up home at 4pm, either to an empty house which means they are left to their own devices, or they arrive home and are duely pushed back out of the door because they are taking up room/making noise/being demanding.

Its far easier for parents to offload their kids to the street than do 'stuff' with them.

Mealtimes for alot of families are 'on the hoof' and as previous posters have said sitting down together for dinner/tea is a time to actually find out whats going on in your kids lives - surprising what can be discovered.

Finally, kids don't sleep anymore. TVs/DVDS/PS2 in the bedroom. You may put your little darling in their room for sleep at 8ish but unless they have no electronic distractions they won't be resting.

The bottom line is having children requires a huge investment, not only financial but in time. Lots of parents are of the opinion that their lives shouldnt change. One parent who shall remain nameless said to me "I refuse to allow my children to dictate how I live my life, they are not in charge" (the children were under 10 and not demanding anything major but wanted some time)

I think there should be a curfew for any child under 16. After 8pm they should be indoors. It was tried in some areas of the country and worked.


This would be mistake because we want children to take part in productive activities rather than hanging about. A curfew would stop children who do harmless things such as walk to scouts, or who go on the bus to have dinner at a friends house and get arrested at the bus stop. We also don't want to encourage mothers to delivere their childrfen to every activity, theerby clogging up the roads and making the children unaware of the outside world.

This would be mistake because we want children to take part in productive activities rather than hanging about. A curfew would stop children who do harmless things such as walk to scouts, or who go on the bus to have dinner at a friends house and get arrested at the bus stop. We also don't want to encourage mothers to delivere their childrfen to every activity, theerby clogging up the roads and making the children unaware of the outside world.

I don't necessarily think childrens activities should be happening after 8pm tbh. Obviously if they were out for dinner with their parents that would be okay but unaccompanied children should not be out after 8pm.

One parent who shall remain nameless said to me "I refuse to allow my children to dictate how I live my life, they are not in charge" (the children were under 10 and not demanding anything major but wanted some time)

WOW fox how do/did they manage that .....Mine have turned my world upside down ..... I can't think about anything before putting them 1st :D

I agree with KenH that people need to stop shirking and start saying things to unruly kids. These days if a kid on the back of the bus is playing rubbish music on a phone and swearing like a trooper, people just bury their heads in the paper or whatever. I usually say something if it gets bad enough, but we all need to act like a society and intervene in this type of thing... and not just tut and mutter under our breaths.

WOW fox how do/did they manage that .....Mine have turned my world upside down ..... I can't think about anything before putting them 1st :D

Well without getting into detail they have managed it, they have cut their access from every week to 2 days a month. :rolleyes:

. These days if a kid on the back of the bus is playing rubbish music on a phone and swearing like a trooper, people just bury their heads in the paper or whatever. I usually say something if it gets bad enough, but we all need to act like a society and intervene in this type of thing... and not just tut and mutter under our breaths.

Thats funny. I was on the tram last week and the (primary) schoolchildren were running up and down the tram, obviously unaccompanied. One child managed to stamp on my feet twice. Anyway next time he came by I put my arm out and tell him to stop hurling himself all over the tram and that I need my feet so stop stamping on them. (which he immediately did by sitting down and looked quite embarrassed at being told off by a stranger)

Other commuters on the tram rather than as I would give me an agreeable "thank god somebody said something" smile. They all buried their chins in their chests or looked the other way. :rolleyes:

Well without getting into detail they have managed it, they have cut their access from every week to 2 days a month. :rolleyes:


That's a big shame - kids do change and rock your world but they didn't ask to come here - we kindly brought em in - I'm 32 with twins and have found it extremely hard havin kids ....However , their mine their here and I've a duty to be a good mother now and do the very best for them xx .....and would not be without em ...:rolleyes:

Other commuters on the tram rather than as I would give me an agreeable "thank god somebody said something" smile. They all buried their chins in their chests or looked the other way. :rolleyes:
Yeah it's pretty sad really. I know nostalgia glosses things over, but I remember being told off by random members of the public on many occasions, and it's probably the biggest shame imaginable... for the kid.

I don't necessarily think childrens activities should be happening after 8pm tbh. Obviously if they were out for dinner with their parents that would be okay but unaccompanied children should not be out after 8pm.

The scouts that my daughter goes to finishes at 9pm. This is too late in my opinion, but it is either finish at 9pm or don't go. In a few years it is entirely likely that she will walk home from scouts with friends. Isn't it perfectly reasonable that respectable 15 year old girls be allowed to walk home without being tarred with the same brush as those children that hang about doing nothing? She lso goes to school right across the city and travels by bus, usally getting home, even if there is a an after school event, no later than 6pm. When she is a bit older then is she to be banned from school events if it means she would be home later than 8pm?

Point taken KenH but what would be a good alternative? Perhaps a hall pass scenario from the activity?

Point taken KenH but what would be a good alternative? Perhaps a hall pass scenario from the activity?

I don't think you should ever restrict a persons liberty even if they are 10. If you extend these ideas then we could find a time when adults aren't allowed in some areas after dark because there has been crime in that area. What you hve to do is to deal with the people who cause the crime and not everyone who might fit the description. My opinion is that the police (with plenty of funding) should crack down on the tiniest of things. If my daughter is waiting at a bus stop at 8pm, with her instrument, on her way to band then they would ignore her. If ten youths are hanging about without a resonable excuse then they should be taken home and the parents asked for an explanation.

If my daughter is waiting at a bus stop at 8pm, with her instrument, on her way to band then they would ignore her.

unless its a violin case ;)

If ten youths are hanging about without a resonable excuse then they should be taken home and the parents asked for an explanation.

There just are not enough and won't be enough police. If the police were patrolling hotspots where young people gather rather than just patrolling the whole (huge) patch, somebody would complain that they are being neglected.

The root problem is Money.

Children are being rushed like gerbils on a treadmill, from all angles. School, toys, media etc. Hot housing will never be the best method of raising anything. Quality not quantity is a much better approach.

I'm sure there will come a time when the government realise this and start to back track (or pass the buck when they can't undo what they have done, like the case for academies).

If you look at other countires where schooling and child rearing is more successful then you have a model for where this country needs to be moving.


So.... I'll take the stand at Westminster and cry "CHILL!" in a very educated manner.... lol

So.... I'll take the stand at Westminster and cry "CHILL!" in a very educated manner.... lol

Make sure its minuted :hihi:

Make sure its minuted :hihi:

It may appear in the minutes as this:
:razz:

Lots of parents are trying their best, but the focus is all wrong. I met one young mum who quite obviously loved her toddler to bits. She lay awake each night worrying that she might not have met all his needs that day. She was on a low income, but toddler had to have the best - Baby Gap etc. He had all the latest toys. Then she revealed that his favourite meal was cup-a-soup! All that salt! She just hadn't got a clue when it came to nourishment, and increasingly the professionals are exploring the connection between brain development and food.

I fired a childminder when my son told me he was eating supernoodles for his lunch.. :rolleyes:

I agree with a curfew for under 16's but i would make it nine bells, anyone under sixteen found on the streets after that time would be rounded up and made to spend a night in the cells with a releasement fee to be paid by the parent/s in the morning and not before.

Hit the parent/s in the pocket and you'd be amazed how quickly the child 'leans' to behave :cool:

I agree with a curfew for under 16's but i would make it nine bells, anyone under sixteen found on the streets after that time would be rounded up and made to spend a night in the cells with a releasement fee to be paid by the parent/s in the morning and not before.

Hit the parent/s in the pocket and you'd be amazed how quickly the child 'leans' to behave :cool:

A very good compromise Upholder :thumbsup: when shall we start

A very good compromise Upholder :thumbsup: when shall we start

When we have a PM with balls to tackle the problems head on instead of offering half baked ideas and sounbites.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6167472.stm

Hi everyone - just wondering if anyone thinks this idea might actually help reduce anti-social behaviour? There are 61 asbo's in place at the moment for people from sheffield, the majority are youngsters (the youngest is 13) although there are a fair few for older people too (the oldest is 66!)

So yeh, just wondering what people think?

There is a thread already running on this subject here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162887)
makes quite an interesting read. :thumbsup:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6167472.stm

Hi everyone - just wondering if anyone thinks this idea might actually help reduce anti-social behaviour? There are 61 asbo's in place at the moment for people from sheffield, the majority are youngsters (the youngest is 13) although there are a fair few for older people too (the oldest is 66!)

So yeh, just wondering what people think?

yeh it's called a kick up backside and Punishment summat that teens today no nothing about:rant:
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I have 2 daughters,

1 is 15 she loves school, is a member of the school committee, shes talking about staying on for A levels, then going on to uni, she is 1 of the nicest people anyone could want to be around, I am always getting compliments about how she behaves.

1 is 16, she was excluded from school in year 11, left home(her choice with social service help) she recently had a baby of her own.

Both my children have been given time and effort, we always sat around the table for meals, I always watched what I fed them, we did family activities on a regular basis

Sometimes its NOT the parents fault.

woops, missed that one, thanks

if you don't mind me asking, what do you think the reason is for that? Do you think part of it is sister envy or what?

who knows, ive been told "its just one of lifes little mysteries" by professionals

It should be "right son I have had enough, a couple of supernannies are coming round to tame you. I have a photo of them here (http://www.verulam-angling.demon.co.uk/images/krays.jpg)".

I welcome this idea of "supernannies". I would be more critical of this so-called crime-reduction charity Nacro who are opposed to it because they think "support rather than a punitive approach is needed". (BBC website)

What do Nacro think governments over the years have been doing? They've been offering support, but too many parents aren't interested in taking support (except financial support) so long as they can send their children out on the streets terrorising neighbours so they don't have to put up with them in their own flats or houses.

We were forced to move house recently due to two anti-social families on Sands Close at Gleadless. At least one of the families was letting children as young as 8 roam outside until midnight, as well as leaving their older children free to climb on balconies to see if they could break into other people's flats. These older children also made us unable to let our cat out as they threw stones at him.

My view is that if parents in anti-social families like the two we suffered from at Gleadless refuse to accept help they should have their children taken away from them.

It is mainly a minority of kids that are the problem. I see the school buses drop kids off in the village, there must be well over forty kids but the trouble is caused by about seven.
These kids are known to everyone and their parents do'nt seem to care.
Say something to them and you get more foul language than any sergeant major ever came out with when i was in the army. And from the parents.

I welcome this idea of "supernannies". I would be more critical of this so-called crime-reduction charity Nacro who are opposed to it because they think "support rather than a punitive approach is needed". (BBC website)

What do Nacro think governments over the years have been doing? They've been offering support, but too many parents aren't interested in taking support (except financial support) so long as they can send their children out on the streets terrorising neighbours so they don't have to put up with them in their own flats or houses.

We were forced to move house recently due to two anti-social families on Sands Close at Gleadless. At least one of the families was letting children as young as 8 roam outside until midnight, as well as leaving their older children free to climb on balconies to see if they could break into other people's flats. These older children also made us unable to let our cat out as they threw stones at him.

My view is that if parents in anti-social families like the two we suffered from at Gleadless refuse to accept help they should have their children taken away from them.

Did anyone try to help you before you were forced to move?