recently started calling in the carlton pub on attercliff and the landlord in there bob has a no swearing policy. it recently featured in the sheffield star and also will be in the sunday people. i think swearing at the best of times is not nice in pubs, especially in front of women but the carlton is in an industrial area so attracts large amounts of workmen. he wont use a swear box 2 collect money 4 charity like i suggested because he says they encourage swearing, any thoughts on pubs and bad language.

Well if depends what you actually class as swearing- if you mean the illegal swear words such as words that rhyme with 'muck' and 'runt' I would agree with you.

banning something invariably meets with the desire to do it more!

I have to say that the excessive use of swearing I find boring. It looses its appeal eventually and you are left with the feeling that whoever you are speaking to should pick their knuckles up from the floor.

Unless the swear words are aimed at me specifically I do not get offended when I hear them or throw my hanky up in horror.

I find the banning of swearing in the pub pointless and a contradiction of what a public house is. But then I am old fashioned and from Barnsley, not used to this upper class city livin mularky ;)

Moon Maiden

trust me you woudnt call the carlton pub an upper class public house by any means, the point being does it matter wether the pubs on attercliff or millhouses . swearing is swearing i take your point about having a drink and letting off a bit of steam if u like and public houses are generally the places where it happens. i would also say that altho itsa good idea in theory it will be impossible espcially about kicking out time.

I guess the customers will either comply to the landlords wishes or show their appreciation with their feet.

Even your salt of the earth pubs are posh in comparison to some in Barnsley ;) but I take your point.

Moon

illegal, what are you talking about about?

Originally posted by ianmitchell
Well if depends what you actually class as swearing- if you mean the illegal swear words such as words that rhyme with 'muck' and 'runt' I would agree with you.

didnt no there were such things as illegal swear words. what some of them imply mighnt be but not sure anybody have any legal knowledge on the subject lol.

It might refer to the requirement for TV? There are some words that are just a no no on tv?

I haven't heard of illegal swear words either, perhaps most offensive.

Moon

it's a blatant publicity stunt, but these sort of attitudes annoy me no-end... pubs are where people go to drink... most will smoke and swear too. if this offends you, then don't go there!!!

i don't smoke, and hardly ever swear, but i wouldn't dream of picking on those who do... it's none of my business.

and what's all this about 'in front of women'... that's a slightly old fashioned view to take.

Hi Brooksy

You're showing your age mate :D

If I feel like swearing I always look around to see who I might offend...but these days it seems a bit old fashioned to worry about swearing in front of women. Some (particularly young) women don't seem to give a toss about swearing in front of me. In fact these days a lot of young people don't regard the F word as swearing, it's used more as a form of punctuation !!

As for the Carlton...when I used to go in there the place was a virtual probation office, - most of the regulars were not long out of jail...or on bail waiting sentence.

What is the landord going to do...bar his customers who swear ? Hope he likes just us gerries using the place, he'll not keep many youngsters. But good luck to him if he can make it work.

what about the folk in pubs with familys then where do they go or should the people swearing only do it when theyv left the pub.

I'm sure the Garedeners' Rest has a no swearing policy in the no smoking room. It's more of a polite request than a rule though, otherwise I'd have been barred by now.

I think, in principal, I'm for it. Everyone needs a sanctuary, for me that just happens to be somewhere I can swear like a trouper.

Perhaps we're going to see 'family friendly' pubs with lovely Blairish 'swear-free zones'. What joy.

Mind you, there was a brill pub in York called the Bluebell. Still is, in fact, but in the old days was run by a tyrannical old lady who would sling you out on yer ear for expletives. The beer was too good to refuse, so we always spoke terribly well in there. It turned into something of a tourist attraction in the end and is now a CAMRA pub. Hooray! In fact, last time I went in there wasn't much swearing, and neither was there much New Labourishness. Utopia. With a bar.

Shouldnt we have swear free classrooms before we go to these extremes?
Do they have swearing areas like they have for smokers?
'He was a total..... (looks round sees the no swearing sign) ..Excuse me mate. ( walks over to the smoke filled side of the Pub) ****ING ****!!!!!!!!!!!

what about the folk in pubs with familys then

The children shouldn't be in the pub in the first place!!!

Most places have family rooms, so if that's the case then fair enough, but not in actual pubs.

I have a bad habit of sometimes swearing too much, but i'm a quiet and non-aggessive person and the only person who is likely to hear me is the person i'm speaking to. Would I be barred?

Take another person who isn't swearing, but is being loud and aggressive, stumbling all over the place, making rude remarks and so on - am I as bad as him or not?

I'd hope not.

the sorts of people that tend to be in family pubs probably aren't going to get very drunk nor are they likely to sit around with their friends and swear a lot.
It's nothing to do with rules, it's to do with the clientelle.

And i was being fasceicous(sp) when I asked what he was on about regarding "illegal" swearing. There are no illegal words, the very idea is ridiculous.

A quick peek into my crystal ball tells that this is only the tip of the iceberg. Let's look forward to the no smoking, no swearing, no farting, no loud laughing, no nose picking, no scratching, no people under 35 and quite possibly no drinking of alchoholic beverages pub. At which point we can re-name this fine town of ours Stepford and emigrate.

And even then, somebody will find something to be offended by. We seem tragically to be born to whine, if not to wine.

There is a beach at Balboa Island in California with a 13-point list posted alongside it, detailing the stuff you're not supposed to do there. That, ladies and gentlemen, is our future. Oh, and the life guard bods at Huntingdon Beach a smidge north of there carry guns. How dangerous can a couple of miles of sand be? Tomorrow's a depressing place indeed. Enough to make you go down the berlimmin' boozer for a consolatory drink and a fag. While you still can.

I do think that the smoking issue is different to the rest. It's the only one where your actions harm my health.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I do think that the smoking issue is different to the rest. It's the only one where your actions harm my health.
What about pub violence? That can be quite harmful

ermm, yes, but that wasn't in joyphils list was it?

"Let's look forward to the no smoking, no swearing, no farting, no loud laughing, no nose picking, no scratching, no people under 35 and quite possibly no drinking of alchoholic beverages pub."

Originally posted by miniminch
What about pub violence? That can be quite harmful

Originally posted by brooksy
didnt no there were such things as illegal swear words. what some of them imply mighnt be but not sure anybody have any legal knowledge on the subject lol.

I was just told by a school teacher once that those two words are illegal....

there's a lesson there...

don't believe everything your told.

we do have a concept of free speech in this country, making words illegal would rather trample all over that don't you think?

Originally posted by rarstar
it's a blatant publicity stunt, but these sort of attitudes annoy me no-end... pubs are where people go to drink... most will smoke and swear too. if this offends you, then don't go there!!!

i don't smoke, and hardly ever swear, but i wouldn't dream of picking on those who do... it's none of my business.

and what's all this about 'in front of women'... that's a slightly old fashioned view to take.

I don't have strong views on the swearing either way but I would certainly welcome pubs becoming smoke free. 73% of people are non-smokers yet less than 1% (considerably less) of pubs are non-smoking. The majority don't even have non-smoking areas.

Surley pubs should be there for the enjoyment of as many people as possible which at the moment is not the case.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
73% of people are non-smokers yet less than 1% (considerably less) of pubs are non-smoking.
I see your point but don't forget that not all non-smokers are bothered by smoke. In my experience it’s the people who make a big deal about smoke that are in the minority, hence the lack of non-smoking pubs.

I am a non-smoker.

before this carries on, lets not have a repeat of the several long threads on why and why not to make pubs none smoking.

I'll start the trend by not sharing my view on whether they should or shouldn't.

And sticking to topic, the idea of non-swearing pubs strikes me as ridiculous, unenforceable and basically silly.

I agree with Cyclone, the idea of a non swearing pub is ridiculous. The pub is the one place I can loosen up and get a lot off my chest, and after a couple of drinks enjoy giving a sermon to anyone who might care to listen, all the better when interlaced and embelished with as many expletives as I see fit. The problem I, and my wife, have is that we find it impossible to relax when surrounded by 16 to 25 yr olds whose idea of a socialization is to compete with each other as to how many expletives they can manage to piece together, embellished with monosylables, and at a volume which melts even the crustiest earwax. I seem to remember a time, pre baseball caps, when laughter was the background audio ambience to a good night out with a few drinks. Now the f-word is all pervasive, so if a no swearing sign could maybe nudge a few towards giving a thought to what issues from their mouths then I think the more pubs that display such signs the better. They would be doing us all a favour.

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i don't think you should tar all <25's with the same brush. Okay, i'm 26 now, but i wish i was still 25, and it's pretty rare that i swear. It gets more common after a few drinks, and the sermon type delivery may be much in evidence, but i've only ever worn a hat to keep my head warm and dry, and the swearing is most definitely outnumbered by words i can't pronounce properly at the time.

Again I think it's all down to the venue. Every pub has it's normal "audience" and some of those will include 16-25's who can barely string a sentence together. Choose where you go and you should find an ambience entirely in keeping with what you expected.

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I don't agree with the idea of asking landlords to sort out our social problems. People swear, some a lot. They do it on the street, in shops, in restaurants and in pubs. Same with smoking.
Why should the pub suddenly become the line of defense against these "bad habbits"? Are we really looking to the landlord to sort out this generations ill health and anti-social behaviour?

we can discount the street, no one manages it.

restaurants already operate no smoking policies, or segregation.

Swearing i would say is not the same as smoking, or other social problems (drug taking, illegal in pubs, you get barred)...

I don't think it's anything knew to this generation, it's just that the lines that define acceptable and not have moved, in a way that makes the previous generations think that things have got worse... Either that or it's all a lapsarkian fantasy.

Brooksy - the occasional swear word he will not mind too much as though it's quiet and to your group.

Swearing every second "word" at the top of your voice will land you in trouble - I know as I have worked then from virtualy the moment he started running the place.

Hope this helps.

i spoke 2 bob in the carlton last night and in his opinion he dosnt want 2 hear swearingat all in is pub. he says he dosnt swear , hes landlord and thats it end off subject.

OK - either I got things wrong or something.

Never mind and thanks for the update.

bob didnt actually start the no swearin policy off in his pub,that was the landlady that had it before him she use to have a swearin box n if u swore u had to put money in.
he has jus carried the policy on but without the box! its no new thing in the pub its been like that for years!
n you can swear as long as its quietly among yourselves xx

Originally posted by starla
bob didnt actually start the no swearin policy off in his pub,that was the landlady that had it before him she use to have a swearin box n if u swore u had to put money in.
he has jus carried the policy on but without the box! its no new thing in the pub its been like that for years!
n you can swear as long as its quietly among yourselves xx

Actually AFAIK (Gilly?)she did object to it to a sense, she was a tough old stick at times but she sure was a damn good laugh at times too especialy when our lot was in "our" pool room of a weekend* - she and her other half was the reason I had a job there after them as they let me try behind the bar in most things - and also possibly why Bob was able to do so well as there was someone green enough to be slow-ish but had enough experience not to screw up too much...

* = Once I took a shot and the white ball fleww off the table totaly - I went and collected it while she was observing the "cheche" that was us lot in the pool room that I put the while ball up to my crotch and declared I had "dropped a ball" or similar.

She about-faced and forward RAN! :D

just been in carlton and spoke 2 bob, hes been on 3 radio stations 2 day so its obviousley caused a bit of interest this no swearing policy. whatever your opinions its all good publicity 4 the pub and the issue in generall.

there's an issue?

gone straight over my head that one.

sorry, it's just that you seemed to be implying that swearing was "an issue", like the rise in sti's, gun crime, booming house prices, islamic terrorists, etc...