The other day when walking home I had the pleasure of walking past a huge pile of steaming horse manure. This made me think: dog owners and litterers quite rightly get fined if their dog fouls and they don't clear it up or if they drop litter in public. Are horse riders not subject to the same laws? I've never seen a rider dismout their horse and scoop up the mess into a bag. On roads especially, it can be quite hazardous, let alone smelly and visually polluting.

A very good point you have there t020, they never seem to clear up after their hooved beasts have left their mark. Perhaps they should be made to carry bin liners especially for the "job"

Dog owners seem to pick up more of their mutts mess in winter too, do you think it could be a covert way of keeping their hands warm when they drop their droppings into a conveniently placed pocket.

It's a good thing they can't fly.

horse faeces are pretty innocuous compared to dog faeces. Horse manure even smells nice.

Horse droppings are used as fertilizers though apparently.

And no, I doubt horses come under the same jurisdiction of law as dogs.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
horse faeces are pretty innocuous compared to dog faeces. Horse manure even smells nice.

On a road or pavement you have a slippery hazard. Also, some may claim a paper bag is "pretty innocuous" but drop one and you can still face an on the spot fine if caught.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
horse faeces are pretty innocuous compared to dog faeces. Horse manure even smells nice. LOL, it does actually, I love the smell of horse manure or any other farmyard manure and for some reason gives you a feeling of wellbeing.
Dog faeces makes me wretch as soon as I see it.
The animals diet has all to do with it.

Originally posted by t020
On a road or pavement you have a slippery hazard. Also, some may claim a paper bag is "pretty innocuous" but drop one and you can still face an on the spot fine if caught.

ok, but your first comparison was to dog poo, not paper bags...

I don't happen to think it is a problem at all. There are so few horses walking around sheffield it hardly warrants a change in the bye laws yet.

When fuel hits £30 a gallon we may see a return to horse drawn transport, at which point you will almost certainly see a change in the law.

In fact if you look carefully you will probably find existing, never repealed legislation, regarding the treatment of horse manure dropped in the street.

As I understand it, Hackney Carriages are still obliged by law to carry a bale of straw in the back for spreading over the inadvertent evacuations of their steed.

Next time you see some horse**** pick it up and rub it between your fingers and take a deep sniff. Pure goodness.

Instead of flinging it into the fan you might even end up collecting it for your mum's roses!
Originally posted by Cycleracer
LOL, it does actually, I love the smell of horse manure or any other farmyard manure and for some reason gives you a feeling of wellbeing.
Dog faeces makes me wretch as soon as I see it.
The animals diet has all to do with it.

Cow and Pig poo does nothing for me I'm afraid!

I'm afraid that the same class of people who ride horses would never lower themselves to clear up their doggy's do's never mind horse droppings.

These people shop at ALDI, don't know how to cook, live on non-brand name microwave meals, drink Paul Masson wine from NETTO,spend their bank holidays at WORLD OF LEATHER and have nephews called Tarquin.

OK now the world has gone really mad!
I'll tell you what to do, persecute the horse riders until they ride with shovels or a 40 litre pooper scooper. Once you've got these Horse riding anarchists under control then we can start on the farmers in the Peak National park.
Why?
Because their sheep poo all over the place and they make a mess of ones expensive hiking boots!
I know this is the way forward cos the little people at the bottom of the garden told me so.

A perfectly valid point, Bulldog. Sheep poo is offensive stuff - I don't like the way it rolls down hills.

As for the little people at the bottom of your garden, do they have a toilet?

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
A perfectly valid point, Bulldog. Sheep poo is offensive stuff - I don't like the way it rolls down hills.

As for the little people at the bottom of your garden, do they have a toilet?

Nah! nor a bathroom either! ...........Scruffy bu**ers.

I remember seeing a couple of New York mounted policemen with nappies on their horses. That was pretty cool.

Years ago I had an aunt who lived on a road down which horses were frequent visitors. We kids were sent out with bucket and shovel after visits from the equine neighbours to scoop up the poop for the roses.

Just make sure your tetanus jabs are up to date before messing with it - use to be the main way to get tetanus in the UK was to spike yourself on a rose then handle horse poo.

Joe

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I remember seeing a couple of New York mounted policemen with nappies on their horses. That was pretty cool.

I must say that the donkeys wearing nappies on southport beach always looked pathetic. I bet they don't think much of it either.

Originally posted by bulldog D
OK now the world has gone really mad!
I'll tell you what to do, persecute the horse riders until they ride with shovels or a 40 litre pooper scooper. Once you've got these Horse riding anarchists under control then we can start on the farmers in the Peak National park.
Why?
Because their sheep poo all over the place and they make a mess of ones expensive hiking boots!
I know this is the way forward cos the little people at the bottom of the garden told me so.

A perfectly invalid point, bulldog. Sheep poo in the middle of the moors poses no danger. Horse manure in the middle of suburban roads may cause cars to skid and crash. Potentially it is fatal.

In Canada horses that are used often in public places (for instance carriage rides in a city) have small collecting bags that hang on their rears. They hang under the tail and when they raise their tail the bag opens up. Simple.

I'm sure they must use them here too.

Originally posted by t020
Horse manure in the middle of suburban roads may cause cars to skid and crash. Potentially it is fatal.

I wonder how many people in the UK have died in the last 10 years as a result of their car skidding on horse muck? :confused:

I was just thinking that myself. I was also thinking, how many people are actually genuinely bothered about horse manure on the road? Very few I would imagine, compared to the thousands of people who are annoyed by dog mess.

But that isn't the point is it? The point is why should there be one law for some and another for others.

t020, you could move over onto the Manor, not many horses over there.........now dogs is a different matter!

Originally posted by JoePritchard
I remember seeing a couple of New York mounted policemen with nappies on their horses. That was pretty cool.

Were the nappies on the policemen or their horses?

Originally posted by Jamie
Originally posted by JoePritchard
I remember seeing a couple of New York mounted policemen with nappies on their horses. That was pretty cool.

Were the nappies on the policemen or their horses?
er....

Originally posted by t020
But that isn't the point is it? The point is why should there be one law for some and another for others.

Maybe there is a law, have you looked?

I don't find horse, cow, sheep or rabbit poo offensive in the slightest. When in the countryside and inadvertantly getting it on my shoes or trouser bottoms my reaction is usually "Whoops, guess what I've stood in!" The smell is never offensive. Dog poo, however, is different. My reaction to that is "My God, remind me to throw this lot in the bin when we get home!"

Could it be something to do with the vegetarian aspect of it? After all, farm and rabbit manure is nothing more than rotting veg.

Concerning the horse-nappy idea; as fox hunt steeds usually have two arses, one under the tail and one wearing a red jacket half way up its back, you'd need two nappies.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
I'm afraid that the same class of people who ride horses would never lower themselves to clear up their doggy's do's never mind horse droppings.

These people shop at ALDI, don't know how to cook, live on non-brand name microwave meals, drink Paul Masson wine from NETTO,spend their bank holidays at WORLD OF LEATHER and have nephews called Tarquin.

I feel like you know me?

As far as i am aware fouling in the road is acceptable. Its not an offence to let your dog foul the road, but it is to allow it to foul the pavement and other public open land. I have not been told to start giving the Litter/Fouling fines out to horse riders yet...would have a job catching them anyway! I can run...but not that fast!

Originally posted by markham
IConcerning the horse-nappy idea; as fox hunt steeds usually have two arses, one under the tail and one wearing a red jacket half way up its back, you'd need two nappies.

:D :D :D

You've made my day markham.

Originally posted by t020
The other day when walking home I had the pleasure of walking past a huge pile of steaming horse manure. This made me think: dog owners and litterers quite rightly get fined if their dog fouls and they don't clear it up or if they drop litter in public. Are horse riders not subject to the same laws? I've never seen a rider dismout their horse and scoop up the mess into a bag. On roads especially, it can be quite hazardous, let alone smelly and visually polluting.
The vanilla world you want to live in is an incredibly sanitised and bland place.

It's wonderful out here in the real world, horses 'n' all!

Slightly off topic but are the council (or whoever) properly policing the new rules and £50 fine with regards to dropping litter, especially cigarette butts. Every day I see smokers throwing fag ends on the floor. Maybe if they had to pay £50 a time they would think twice.

As for the horse manure why not get a shovel and take it home for your roses.:P

Originally posted by slimsid2000
As for the horse manure why not get a shovel and take it home for your roses.:P
I have actually seen people do that :thumbsup: big free for all running to the steaming horse dump with shovels, I didnt join in tho the horticultural gene has skipped a generation in my family :D

Dog poo has to be cleaned up while horse poo doesn't, because of one major difference. If you fell face first into horse poo, you would wipe it off and probably laugh embarrassedly. But if you fell face first in dog poo, you would most probably be sick, and then have to go to hospital to be injected against a million diseases which dog faeces carries. :o

I can see t020's point here. Horse poo is just as offensive and unpleasant to me as dog poo is..if I stand in either I would wretch.
Would you be happy for a horse to take a dump on a playing field where kids would play????..methinks not.
Horse poo attracts flies which in turn attract disease just as much as doggie do.
Just because it is used as manure doesn't make it all lovely and ok.

Originally posted by LittleWitch
Dog poo has to be cleaned up while horse poo doesn't, because of one major difference. If you fell face first into horse poo, you would wipe it off and probably laugh embarrassedly. But if you fell face first in dog poo, you would most probably be sick, and then have to go to hospital to be injected against a million diseases which dog faeces carries. :o

So what if you fell face first into a paper bag? People who drop paper bags are rightly fined for their offence, but it doesn't cause any harm if you fall on it. Why should dropping manure be different?

Originally posted by wibbles
Wah hay...I've been on the look out for another one of your gripes about anything smoking when in fact it is irrelevant to the original thread.

It's not irrelevant. Horse manure is littering IMO.

Originally posted by t020
It's not irrelevant. Horse manure is littering IMO.
Not you..slimsid talking about fag ends!!

So what if you fell face first into a paper bag? People who drop paper bags are rightly fined for their offence, but it doesn't cause any harm if you fall on it. Why should dropping manure be different?

Hmm, good question. I suppose it depends what's in this paper bag. knives, broken glass, anthrax? Or maybe it's the size of the paper bag that's important. Falling face first into a Greggs pasty paper bag wouldn't cause much damage (the pasty might, tho), but falling face first into a paper bag larger than myself could cause substantial harm. It has been said that i couldn't find my way out of a paper bag - is what they say coming true?? :( :o :D

Originally posted by t020
So what if you fell face first into a paper bag? People who drop paper bags are rightly fined for their offence, but it doesn't cause any harm if you fall on it. Why should dropping manure be different? What a bizarre point to try to make :loopy:

Originally posted by LittleWitch
Hmm, good question. I suppose it depends what's in this paper bag. knives, broken glass, anthrax? Or maybe it's the size of the paper bag that's important. Falling face first into a Greggs pasty paper bag wouldn't cause much damage (the pasty might, tho), but falling face first into a paper bag larger than myself could cause substantial harm. It has been said that i couldn't find my way out of a paper bag - is what they say coming true?? :( :o :D

It wouldn't matter what, if anything, was in the paper bag. The fact is that if someone dropped an empty paper bag in public they'd get a fine if caught. Why wouldn't a rider get a fine if his/her horse left manure on the street?

Originally posted by Tony
What a bizarre point to try to make :loopy:

Not really. If you follow the thread through it's quite a logical point to make.

Originally posted by t020
It wouldn't matter what, if anything, was in the paper bag. The fact is that if someone dropped an empty paper bag in public they'd get a fine if caught. Why wouldn't a rider get a fine if his/her horse left manure on the street?

Littering is easily an easily preventable, yet totally ubiquitous problem in Sheffield.

Horse manure is something that is best *not* prevented, unless you want an exploding horse. And exploding horses are a very very serious threat to law abiding motorists, as not only do they leave a great slick of blood and guts in the road, posing extreme danger to honest, uptight (surely "upright"? Mod.) law abiding meddlesome whingers( surely "motorists"? Mod).

Horse manure is for the most part totally innocuous, unless you simply find the unsanitary nature of nature too unsanitary - in which case you should probably stop reading this and go and wash your hands, again.

They are covered in bacteria you know, so are keyboards and telephones and loo flush handles and aaargh, get them off me, get them off me!

The horse doesn't have to explode - the rider simply has to scoop up the mess and put it in a bag, just as a dog owner would do. I'd hardly call a large steaming pile of manure on Ringinglow Road innocuous either. Just because it's used by gardeners and farmers and isn't harmless doesn't mean its pleasant to have littered on a road. Paper bags are useful, they don't smell, and they are harmless, but you still don't want them littered everywhere and the litterer would be fined.

Originally posted by t020
The horse doesn't have to explode - the rider simply has to scoop up the mess and put it in a bag, just as a dog owner would do. I'd hardly call a large steaming pile of manure on Ringinglow Road innocuous either.

In other words are you saying that the manure is lowering the tone of the neighbourhood ?

You guys at that end of town often like to boast about how close you are to rural scenery and that you've got the countryside on your door step, so is it should be no suprise to find a pile of horse poo on your doorstep.

No that's not what I'm saying, and to be honest it doesn't bother me too much. What does bother me is the differing public perception I have gauged from this forum, which also seems apparent in the law too. I can't imagine a horse rider being smacked with a £50 fine if his/her horse manured in the street. That's the problem I have. Why should it be different? The weak arguments of "it's harmless" or "it can be useful to gardeners" don't hold up. Paper bags are harmless and can be useful but still constitute litter when dropped.

Living in Stannington we also get the odd horse rider from time to time. I nsuppose you have a point about manure although it is quite rare to come accross it. Dog mess on the other hand is much more commonplace and tends to be on the pavement rather than the road.

Horses empty their bowels on the roads,
dogs empty their bowels on the pavements,
bus drivers empty their bowels on the traveling public from a great hight.:D

(Sorry, couldn't resist):)

Originally posted by t020
The horse doesn't have to explode - the rider simply has to scoop up the mess and put it in a bag, just as a dog owner would do. I'd hardly call a large steaming pile of manure on Ringinglow Road innocuous either. Just because it's used by gardeners and farmers and isn't harmless doesn't mean its pleasant to have littered on a road. Paper bags are useful, they don't smell, and they are harmless, but you still don't want them littered everywhere and the litterer would be fined.

Why do you keep bringing paper bags into the discussion. What possible connection do they have with Horse Manure? Are you secretly obsessed with them, fetshing them under the covers at night?

A big steaming pile of horse manure is a wondrous thing to behold - a token of tangible fecundity, a beautiful gift of both aroma and nutrients from our equine friends.....

If you have a problem with horse manure, then that says more about you than it does about the amount of horse manure actually causing a problem.

A highly scientific survey concluded that dog mess is about 10 to 20 times more disgusting. (see highly scientific survey here (http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=dog+mess+disgusting&q2=Horse+manure+disgusting&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us))

A big steaming pile of horse manure is a wondrous thing to behold - a token of tangible fecundity, a beautiful gift of both aroma and nutrients from our equine friends.....

Roughly translated it's a pile of horse ****

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Why do you keep bringing paper bags into the discussion. What possible connection do they have with Horse Manure? Are you secretly obsessed with them, fetshing them under the covers at night?

A big steaming pile of horse manure is a wondrous thing to behold - a token of tangible fecundity, a beautiful gift of both aroma and nutrients from our equine friends.....

If you have a problem with horse manure, then that says more about you than it does about the amount of horse manure actually causing a problem.

A highly scientific survey concluded that dog mess is about 10 to 20 times more disgusting. (see highly scientific survey here (http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=dog+mess+disgusting&q2=Horse+manure+disgusting&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&langue=us))


Because fundamentally speaking, dropping a paper bag is the same as letting a horse manure on the street. You can't pick and choose what mess is allowed to litter public highways on the basis of whether or not *you* like it. Littering is against the law, so dropping horse manure should be the same - whether you like the smell of it or not.

You still haven't explained your unhealthy obsession with paper bags. Something's going on here.

It's like this.... (note, you already know this). The reason many have given for it to be acceptable for horse manure to be left dumped in the street is that it is harmless and can also be useful (gardeners, farmers, etc). What else is harmless and useful, but instead of being all "nice" incurs a £50 fine when left dumped in the street? Paper bags! Other things too no doubt but that's the example I chose to illustrate my point. In summary though, leaving horse manure in the street is acceptable to many of you lot because it has a "nice aroma" and can be used for plants. Each to their own. Personally I'd prefer not to have to drive through/walk past/etc a large steaming pile of manure. I'll leave it at that because this is clearly going nowhere.

Originally posted by t020
But that isn't the point is it? The point is why should there be one law for some and another for others.
OK lets forget paper bags, what about cat owners?

Cat poo is a real menace.

No law against letting your cat poo everywhere and anywhere.

Or, presumably your camel.

A paper bag would take years to decompose. Dog poo takes a few weeks. Horse manure is gone after a good rainstorm.

Oh okay, it was their horses that were pooing in the road...still, its a bit out of line isn't it! On the way to work today through town (which was really busy, with loads of kids about) I noticed no less than FOUR seperate incidents of steaming mushy horse poo in the road, it stank!

I understand why they need to use horses, but can't they clean up after them! Dog owners have to, after all. Or at least they're supposed to.

What an excellent point you raise ... they (the police) are very quick to pick on dog owners for committing the same offence so why shouldn't they have to suffer the same penalties as the rest of us for the same offence.

Originally posted by kathythebean
Oh okay, it was their horses that were pooing in the road...still, its a bit out of line isn't it! On the way to work today through town (which was really busy, with loads of kids about) I noticed no less than FOUR seperate incidents of steaming mushy horse poo in the road, it stank!


I'm so glad that it's not just me who has noticed this.

It's been doing my head in for years now, how they can get away with it?


Maybe someone should collect it all & dump it outside WestBar;).

Went to the Cutlers hall to the Job fair the other week went down St Pauls parade and was greated by a big pile there. Not bad considering a walk not a bridle path.

In some countries they make the horses wear giant nappies, also why wasn’t Paula Radcliff charged for ******* in the street.

Well, you could argue, paual radcliffe, national treasure, running an important race, needed to keep time, no available portaloos, etc.

I would just love to see the police shovelling horse poo, it would make my day, tee hee :)

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
also why wasn’t Paula Radcliff charged for ******* in the street.
I'm still shocked at this. It's a good job she wasn't in an indoor arena :mad:

What would she do if she were a long jumper? or a racing driver? :roll: :suspect: :gag:

I think it's because they can't find a big enough poop-a-scoop.

Originally posted by kathythebean
Oh okay, it was their horses that were pooing in the road...still, its a bit out of line isn't it! On the way to work today through town (which was really busy, with loads of kids about) I noticed no less than FOUR seperate incidents of steaming mushy horse poo in the road, it stank!

I understand why they need to use horses, but can't they clean up after them! Dog owners have to, after all. Or at least they're supposed to.

Relax dear, it's only grass ;)

Originally posted by Mo
Relax dear, it's only grass ;)

The police can get a bit shirty if you say that to them ;) :hihi:

Originally posted by Mo
Relax dear, it's only grass ;)
So charge them for posession as well:thumbsup:

As far as I know its not illegal for animals to poo in the road, in fact with dogs its positively encouraged, so much better than the pavement! People with roses appreciate horse poo and having worked in a stable for years I positively love the smell.

You can get horse nappy sling type things to catch the poo but how silly would that look? It would be difficult to take them seriously with nappies on :P

As for Paula, pity she wasn't pregnant then she could ask the policeman to let her pee in his helmet which he shielded her modesty with his cape

Relax dear it's only grass

Still not hygenic when there's little kids around.
I'd love to see them shovel it up too but what would they do with it? And what if somebody nicked the horse while they were off it?

I bet, the reason they don't get off and shovel it is cos really, they have to be at work half an hour early to be helped on to the horse so they don't want to look like plebs trying to get back onto the horse in the middle of the street!

Though they'd lose weight jumping on and off each time the horse got the urge...

heeeheee, it's a very valid point though - well done for bringing it up!

and whoever said 'dump it outside westbar' go on! It'd be great! They couldn't complain, it's their mess!

That's funny you mentioning roses because when we were kids we lived close to a riding stable. On weekends they exercised the horses and walked them up and down our road. So my dad would have us wait with buckets to run out and scoop the steaming poop. I refused point blank to do it so my brother had to. *snigger*

So when I see horses on the streets it reminds me of my dad. I could have better memories of my dad but horse poo!! Sorry dad.

Our neighbour has a large standard poodle and they make him wear a baby's nappy. I always feel so embarrassed for the poor dog. How humiliating (like the dog knows!) Is that lazy of the owners to not want to scoop? I've also seem police horses here in the States wearing a kind of nappy. New Orleans has a lot of mounted police and with the streets being so narrow and mostly pedestrianized they couldn't have poop all over the place.

We tend to have a similar problem in Bradway at certain times of year with horses from a riding school fouling the pavement on Twentywell Lane. Not nice having to avoid it when walking to the station to get a train to work.

Originally posted by Mo
Relax dear, it's only grass ;)

Oh thank god for that. Next time I see it I shall wrap it up and smoke it :)

Sara - I'm not really arguing against horse poo, per se, more about double standards for the police. Would anyone elses horse be allowed to poo its way merrily down division street? But you're right, the nappies would look ridiculous!

Funny you should bring this up - I was thinking along similar lines today as i passed a great big pile of horse 'poo' on the road outside my house. And the other day another big pile on the path where i walk my dog.

We always clear up after our dog, and I thought there was something about clearing up after your horse too???

I vaguely remember steptoe and son clearing up after their horse???

My granny used to run out with the coal scuttle and scoop up any horse poo for the garden too...
Or at least that's what she said she used it for.
Could it be a wartime sort of thing, with VE Day in mind ? Waste nothing that could be useful ?

Horse poo is excellent stuff. I pay a fortune for it to use it on my allotment. If these horses pooed on my street I'd be straight out there with a shovel and bag.

By the way, I do pick up my dog's poo even if it is on the road and think that dog owners who don't pick up their dog's poo should be castigated by society. I regularly confront such people on the park and encourage everyone else to join in and let these people know that such antisocial behaviour is just not acceptable :rant:

Originally posted by Sara
As far as I know its not illegal for animals to poo in the road, in fact with dogs its positively encouraged, so much better than the pavement!

There used to be stickers on lamp posts in Sheffield saying "Curb Your Dog"

It is a bit mucky. But I don't really think double standards apply. If the public go out horse riding they don't have to clear up horse poo. And I think if the police had dogs out on patrol and they pooed, they would have to clear it up.

Yeah, when I saw the horse muck hubbie said 'quick, go get it' as if...

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Originally posted by Hels
Funny you should bring this up - I was thinking along similar lines today as i passed a great big pile of horse 'poo' on the road outside my house. And the other day another big pile on the path where i walk my dog.

We always clear up after our dog, and I thought there was something about clearing up after your horse too???

I vaguely remember steptoe and son clearing up after their horse???

In fairness, dog owners see their pet pooing (is that a verb? :huh: ) so should clear it up. Horses are one of the only animals stupid enough to poo while still walking! How could someone be expected to clear up a horses poo if they didn't know they had done one?

Horse excrement is manure by another name. It is usually so large a dump on the road, that you'd have to be blind not to see it. Oh dear, just undermined my argument haven't I? :hihi:

I remember a story of a man picking up horse ploppies & bagging them right outside the front door of a secure psychiatric unit.

One of the inmates had clocked him from an upstairs window.

He shouted down "oi oi mister, wot yer doin wi that horse s**te?"

The man looked up & replied 'I'm going to put it on my rhubarb'

To which the inmate guffawed & said "tha wants to come in ere mate, we have custard on ours!" :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:




:clap: You can't beat the old one's

Originally posted by Strix
I'm still shocked at this. It's a good job she wasn't in an indoor arena :mad:

What would she do if she were a long jumper? or a racing driver? :roll: :suspect: :gag:

If she were a long jumper or a racing driver, she wouldn't be on the move for 3 - 4 hours solid.

Not that I'm making excuses for her.

I think its because horses don't eat meat and dogs do, so horse poo isn't hazardous to health like dog poo is (toxicara and such like)

its another hazard that road users have to watch out for and that shouldnt be the case. Its okay if you have 4 wheels but not so good on 2.

stop whinging about a bit of horse dung go and collect it up in a bucket as many gardener's would buy it :thumbsup:

I live very close to a park, and I cannot tell you the number of times I've seen police cars stop, the officer lets a large police dog out of the back, the dog does his business in the park, then jumps back in the car, and away they go without anyone picking up the poop.

The same thing in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. I've never seen any of them pick up a thing, yet there are signs clearly posted asking dog owners to clean up after their pets.

They have mounted police as well. All you can do is watch where you're walking.

:) Sierra

In fairness, dog owners see their pet pooing (is that a verb? ) so should clear it up. Horses are one of the only animals stupid enough to poo while still walking! How could someone be expected to clear up a horses poo if they didn't know they had done one?

A good point!


I think its because horses don't eat meat and dogs do, so horse poo isn't hazardous to health like dog poo is (toxicara and such like)

ALso a good point!

Originally posted by craigmason
stop whinging about a bit of horse dung go and collect it up in a bucket as many gardener's would buy it :thumbsup:

Ha ha! that told me didn't it. I shall think before I whinge next time :) 'Is this a valid criticism, or could I sell this problem to a gardener?'

my thoughts on horse manure are here (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=162600#post162600)

after the match last night my disabled friend and neighbour came home to find mounds of horse poo right outside his disabled parking bay in front of his house .he rang the police and had a right go at them but they just said that it was bio degradableand there was nothing they could do about it.after several words they said he could TRY ringing the council to see if they could arrange something with sheff wed club to clean up after each match but said they wouldn't advise it as it could put the council tax up.My friends arguement was that dog owners have to clean up after themselves and so why shouldn't the police.also sometimes kids play football out there.they said it will go if it rains but it's still out there now.it smells horrible.

Oh grow up - its horse manure,whats your problem exactly? From a health and safety point of view it's pretty harmless, when did you ever hear of anyone becoming ill consequent to horsedung? Exactly, never. What has your friends disability got to do with this? Are they a user of a wheelchair or electric scooter ? Was the offending mess so enormous they couldn't park?
If it was cat/dog/human waste you'd have a point - as it is it's no more offensive than compost. So it niffs a bit. Well there you are. Are we so immune from the realities of life that this comes as a surprise?

well i sorry if i riled you but we all have our own opinions on subjects and to me and lots of others poo is poo no matter what it came from.i definately wouldn't want to fall in a pile.and yes my neighbour does use a scooter and wheelchair and there was lots of it all down the side of his mobility parking bay.

All this fuss about a few piles of horse manure in a city of this size.

What about all the plastic bags and other litter which is virtually indestructable and blows about.

At least the organic waste rots and is washed away unless I snaffle it for my rubarb

Just thnk on what it was like in Victorian times before the motor car and there were hundreds of horses on the streets of Sheffield.

Happy Days

Well i think the problem would be that they can't find a big enough poop-a-scoop, and like a Responsible doggy walker that i am i (scoop/carry/bin) the poop, in the poop bin provided by the council etc... how big would the poop bin for the horses have to be and would you want to carry it around in a poop bag until you came across a horse poop bin?

i think we have more to worry about than horse poop.... i tend to worry about mi dogs standing on the needles that the thoughtless Drugiess leave on the ground near the fields where i walk mi dogs...etc.... now thats a problem!

No offence but i think you are all a little dim.

There is no law in shefield yet saying horse owners or riders have to shuvle the sh*t they leave behind.

dog poo has to be cleaned up so stupid kids from local schools dont pick it up thinking its fake poo u buy at a joke shop.... kiddies dont go on the roads to pick poop up, only to get in strangers cars offering them sweets or puppies!

sorry i dont make sense.. here goes with the sense part.

Some city in england i forgot the name made horse users put nappies on their horses to catch the poo.

Sheffield aint enforced this yet so enjoy the poop! and try not to hit it in your car :) it splatters all up the side.

Mod note: Threads merged

i believe that dogs are the only animal that actually belongs to some one legally - therefore they are the only creatures for which you are responsible.
you dont have to clean cat s**t up for the same reason. cats,horses pot bellied pigs etc. are owned by you but for some reason the technicalities differ.

so u dont have to clean up after either of them & you cant be prosecuted for not doing so.

if anybody wants a truckload let me know, its not as ripe now things are cooling down.

What a load of crap talked in this thread. :rolleyes:

the two police horses on parade each rememberance day in sheffield usually drop a pile on the route the marchers take,as you can not break ranks the marchers have to walk through it

come to think of it, do police dog handlers carry a pooper scooper on their belts?

Aside from horse poo being biodegradable, there is a matter of safety to consider.

Firstly they have to dismount and hold the reins in one hand. Then with the spare hand, they would have to mysteriously produce a large shovel and proceed to whip up the offending poo. Once picked up, a safe place to deposit it would need to be found. It would be rather presumptious to dump it in someone's garden, t020 might live there! Then of course, they would have to put the large shovel back wherever it came from, remount and be on their way.

Generally speaking, riders have much more control of their horse whilst being on board. Lets hope the horse in this scenario isn't spooked by a carelessly discarded paper bag that catches on the breeze during the above procedure. (Anyone who knows horses will understand that said paper bag could well be a horse eating monster.)

Whilst all of the above takes place, hopefully the traffic will be passing wide and slow so that their vehicles don't get accidentally broken when the horse eating monster persuades the horse that he'd be much safer in the middle of the road!
Riders don't choose to ride on the roads (it’s a very scary place) but more often than not they have to use a road at some point to get to a bridleway. Perhaps its best to get them off the road as quickly and as safely as possible for all concerned.

Originally posted by t020
On a road or pavement you have a slippery hazard. Also, some may claim a paper bag is "pretty innocuous" but drop one and you can still face an on the spot fine if caught.

Let's prosecute the trees! they are so inconsiderate at this time of year. My garden, drive, the pavements outside, they are all covered with the brown smelly slippery things!
;)

t020, if I were you I'd nip outside with a shovel and get it onto the borders.

Originally posted by wibbles
I can see t020's point here. Horse poo is just as offensive and unpleasant to me as dog poo is..if I stand in either I would wretch.
Would you be happy for a horse to take a dump on a playing field where kids would play????..methinks not.
Horse poo attracts flies which in turn attract disease just as much as doggie do.
Just because it is used as manure doesn't make it all lovely and ok.

Blimey, how things change here in the suburbs. Growing up in the country we used to have games of frisbee using dried(ish) cow pats. Not that we couldn't use a proper frisbee, but the brown version gave the game a bit of extra edge. Nobody got ill from it. Mind you, my mother got terribly annoyed the day we developed a dog faeces catapault for use in games of war. We laid siege to some kids in a tree house with this medieval weapon. Couldn't use the tree house for weeks. But yes, let's sanitize everything and create a lovely New Labour Stepford of a place where nobody ever takes any risks and no responsibility is to be taken for ones' own actions. Ah, Utopia is a very clean, beige sort of place...

Originally posted by Tony
Let's prosecute the trees! they are so inconsiderate at this time of year. My garden, drive, the pavements outside, they are all covered with the brown smelly slippery things!
;)

t020, if I were you I'd nip outside with a shovel and get it onto the borders.

The difference being that trees can't control dropping leaves, whereas people can control dropping litter/ leaving their animal's excrement on the ground.

It's only a matter of time before there's a seriously-started thread on this forum calling for legislation to deal with human afflatus. And naturally it will all be a lot of hot air. Laced with an aroma of cabbage and egg, obviously.

As far as I know there is no law against you sweeping-up the beastly leaves.

And there is no law against leaving free fertiliser in the road. :thumbsup:

Come on folks, have a bit of backbone and enjoy life - let's not live in a world that has been sanitised to the point where we all catch colds just because the kids have gone back to school.

Oops! We're already there!

Up till today this horse poo thread has run to 7 pages.

Surely we can all spend our time better than discussing something other than horsesh*t?

Happy Days!

Originally posted by t020
The difference being that trees can't control dropping leaves

and riders' can't control their horse's bowel movement.

Originally posted by t020
whereas people can control dropping litter/ leaving their animal's excrement on the ground.

I agree entirely entirely with regard to litter and dog fouling but with rta fatalities involving horses and riders on the increase, its just not viable for the reasons I pointed out earlier.

Originally posted by PopT
Up till today this horse poo thread has run to 7 pages.

Surely we can all spend our time better than discussing something other than horsesh*t?

Happy Days!

Too right Pop.

There are more than enough bullsh*t threads to keep us going.

Originally posted by saxon51
Too right Pop.

There are more than enough bullsh*t threads to keep us going.

Pointing out the dangers of expecting a rider to pick up after their horse isn't what I'd call bullsh*t! I hope it helps people gain a better understanding of horses on roads before half a ton of one crashes through their windscreen!

Fishpole, if I had put a smilie after my comment would you have seen the reason for my comment?

IE .....Surely we can all spend our time better than discussing something other than horsesh*t?

To which I replied "There are more than enough BULLSH*T threads to keep us going."

Insofar as there are far more pointless threads than this one.

Make sense now? :thumbsup:

Originally posted by saxon51
Make sense now? :thumbsup:

Absolutely! I'm not very on the ball am I? :D

Of course I should have apologised at the same time, Sorry Saxon! Now I've created an 8th page eek!

Hi

I own a horse and I never pick her poo up when out on a ride as I think it is way more dangerous to stop on a busy road (where nob head drivers are wizzing past you) to pick up some poo than what it is to leave it there.

Do you really expect us to ride around with a bin linner and a shovel? have you ever felt the weight of a horses poo?

dog poo is alot different to horses poo....horses are vegetarians and their poo doesnt smell half as bad!

Horses dont go poo and weeing up lamp posts and on peoples gardens unlike dogs do.

horse poo is also a good fertilizer so some people are quite happy if a horse poos near their house as they can use the poo

lexy

I'm afraid that the same class of people who ride horses would never lower themselves to clear up their doggy's do's never mind horse droppings.

These people shop at ALDI, don't know how to cook, live on non-brand name microwave meals, drink Paul Masson wine from NETTO,spend their bank holidays at WORLD OF LEATHER and have nephews called Tarquin.
right as a horse owner can i just say one, i am not so posh that i wouldent "lower" myself to picking my horses crap up and two if you really wanted us to stop dismount hold all the traffic up whilst trying to control my half a ton beast get out my little "ALDI"or "netto" carrier bag and scoop it all up then knot the bag continue to hold all traffic up whilst i struggle to get on my horse whilste holding my bag of manure then continue to ride without full control of my horse on a public highway because i have only one hand to hold the reigns as i have a bag of manure in the other! result ive just held everyone up for 5 minuets for the sake of a bit of modged up grass!!!
if you dont like it challenge the police next time there on patrol and there horse drops one in the middle of the road and say "oi nah then copper, i sure hope your going to get of your mount and clear that up" enough said Ellen x

Mmmmmm... horse manure... one of the best smells around! :thumbsup:




*ex-pony-owner* :D