We were shopping for dog food in a well known chain store on Tuesday, when we me the most gorgeous grott pups :)

It turns out, they are only 17 weeks old, were brother and sister, and had been sold to a woman for a discount on the basis 'if you have a dog and a bitch you can breed from them'

Edit: The woman who bought them couldn't cope with the two boistrous pups, and had called the breed rescue, as the breeder refused to have them back.

They were out being socialised by two fosterers, who had seen the breeder at a show since being asked to take these dogs away - his explanation for not taking them back is that once they're sold, they are nothing to do with him

Great

He has four bitches he can pump litters out of in this fashion :rant:

when we were lookin for our dog we spent a good 3 months looking ,and we were amazed at the amount of breeders wanting to home there pups at 5 weeks .

why can't there be a law stopping people like these? I wonder what will happen to the dogs when they are no longer able to breed :(

When we were looking for the Chocador, I answered an ad for chocolate labs that were just five weeks old, I took the details then reported them to the RSPCA.

Its just profiteering!. yes, they no longer need mums milk at 5 weeks, but they still need that important socialisation, vaccinations, microchip etc. Obviously the cheapskates pack em off at this age to avoid feeding them for a further 3 weeks. this breeder shows, yet refuses to take back pups hes responsible for ?, pathetic and selling litter sibling to mate together, what an idiot!. as to what happens tod retired breeding bitches?. well, puppy farms and backyard breeders just breed them till they drop, dump them or shoot them. some breeders neuter them and foster them out. Ours are neutered and live out their days right here. In fact, we have a one year old we brought in whos being neutered and NEVER bred from, as we just found out her mother has gloucoma (congenital fault in breed). Annoying part is, we found out from kennel club, she wasn't going to tell us. so seems yet another bad breeder

awww bless them all. It's a good job there are still plenty of people willing to give them a good home :thumbsup:

It does happen an awful lot, usually through the ignorance of the breeder. Im sure pet shops are not legally alowed to sell animals younger than 8 weeks although a certain store is known to take on 6 week old bunnies...

It just makes me feel sick. They should be stopped but it's just not feasible to impliment something that would work I think...

Yeah, its much harder to monitor activities in peoples homes than in a public domain such as a pet shop, but even then they still get away with it.

Flaming forum software :roll:

It wouldn't let me put a shorter title in, so that's my third attempt :mad:

Just to clarify.... they'd gone to a home already, and it's the new owner who couldn't cope with them. They have been in rescue for 2 weeks, so I'm guessing they've been with her for 5 weeks prior to that.

My original title was about puppy farming :(

*goes to fix title and re-read first post*

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Note: title and first post edited

Does it make sense now? :blush:

yep, with you now. notice the careful titling towards 'owners', lol. I guess we could all see where this was going!

The more shocking thing these rescuers told me, was that they have got wind of a bloke down south who's decided there's more money in farming dogs than cows, so has just furnished himself with 15 Grott bitches......

There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about this, but the breed rescue are dreading the effects once this guy gets his business up and running :(

couldn't the rspca or such like do anything? Go and check on all the dogs, make sure they are all healthy and being well cared for? That is a lot of dogs to keep in top condition:( maybe he would make a slip up?

unless it can be proven he's being really cruel or neglectful, I doubt it :(

I certainly wouldn't buy an unsocialised Grott from anybody :mad:

Brude came from kennels, but his breeder employs somebody who's job is to socialise pups (as well as other kennel duties)

Definately a breed that should first and formost be bred for Temperament. Me fears this is not happening in these premises.

This kind of irresponsible behaviour is just going to get them on the dangerous dogs register - which is so unfair on those experienced breeders and owners who HAVE primarily been concerned with temperament :(

Isn't there some danger of something being wrong with pups who are bred from two members of the same family?

Yep, its called inbreeding and as with all inbreeding, greatly increases the risk of physical and temprement problems. very much frowned upon in the dog world. Linebreeding however, still goes on a lot. dont agree with that either.

Sorry to sound dumb here, what is line breeding? I'm a pain aren't I :rolleyes:

Isn't it when the sire and grandsire are the same dog far too often?

we were in a pub a few years ago ( george and dragon near skeggy) with our Storm she was having pups at the time, this right snooty farty woman came up and asked how far gone my bitch was :o i hate that i really do hate my little girl been called a bitch. anyway then she carried on spouting stuff off and eventually turned away and carried on talkin to a bloke at the bar, i was earwigging and she was telling him about 2 bitches she had to re home as they were no longer of use to her. it was obvious she was puppy farmimg from all the other bits n bobs she said. i was discusted she talked about her dogs with such a cold heart.
My Storm has only had one lot of puppies, i couldnt put her thru it again bless her.

I agree with everything said about puppy farming yes I show dogs occasionally I have a lot to do with dog clubs i`m on 3 committees of dog clubs i`m fighting with one of the clubs (the oes brees club) to stamping out this practise we have eyes all over and people looking out for numerous registrations with the same bitch and stud dog when it comes it and yes i`ve had 1 litter of oes pups.9 yrs ago all who had to be hand reared cus mum amber had metritus (milk infection) bottles every 2 hrs for the first 3 weeks then every 4 sleeping in the kitchen on a camp bed and my husband having to have 3 weeks off work but all (6) survived. When we sold them (after vetting) I made everyone sign to say that if they could no longer look after them they came back to me no question about it. I had peggy come back to me at nearly 2 yrs old. all breeders should take any of there pups back no matter what and no matter what age they are responable feel better now i got that off my chest HATE PUPPY FARMING

The line breeds ive come across in our breed have usually been father to daughter matings. sadly, I have come across sibling matings too, a full inbreed. Its not acceptable in my eyes and cant go with any of the resons given for doing it, yes!, these matings are actually PLANNED!. Sure fire way to weaken the genetic pool and increase the incidence of problems if you ask me.