whilst out shopping on thursday I saw a family of muslims, (I was able to draw the conclusion that they were muslims by their dress) buying poppies and putting them on their kids....

I thought at the time how nice is that to see, people from another culture embracing ours.

just needed to share that with everyone..

I think thats great too, but isn't rememberence sunday simply about remembering those who sacrificed their lives for us during wars, irreleivent of relegion? or is it a christian thing?

Muslims fought in both world wars and lost many people who are commemorated the same as everyone else. It has nothing to do with culture. I'm sorry but your post is very patronising.

I too find it slightly patronising, the people who fought in the war didn't just do it for Britain, they did it for much much more.

Muslims fought in both world wars and lost many people who are commemorated the same as everyone else. It has nothing to do with culture. I'm sorry but your post is very patronising.

I don't, i find it correct because you don't see many muslims wearing poppies, i've noticed this!

I don't, i find it correct because you don't see many muslims wearing poppies, i've noticed this!
Poppies are worn by those of all cultures who take the time to put a pound or two in the collection box and pick up a poppy and a pin. People from all cultures gave their lives in wartime. People from all cutures remember them by wearing poppies.

EDIT: Maybe LadyB was being deliberately provocative? Just a thought.

I must admit that I haven't seen many people from other cultures wearing them but that doesn't mean their people didn't fight for anything and it is nice to see them wearing them too.

I was suprised actually when my four year old came home from school the other day asking for money for a poppy from school. I assumed she just wanted a pretty flower to wear till she said, "i can remember all those poor shoulders (yes shoulders) who died if i get one". :)

Poppies are worn by those of all cultures who take the time to put a pound or two in the collection box and pick up a poppy and a pin. People from all cultures gave their lives in wartime. People from all cutures remember them by wearing poppies.

EDIT: Maybe LadyB was being deliberately provocative? Just a thought.

yes, I know poppies are worn by all clutures but you have missed my point that you often see whites wearing them, but you don't often see other cultures sporting a poppy. Take a walk through town and have a look for yourself.:rolleyes:

i'm sure ladyb wasn't being deliberately provocative

I'm brown and I normally wear a poppy, though this year I haven't managed to come across a poppy "seller" yet!

My parents (who are also brown) have a shop down south (for over 20 years) and normally do a poppy collection every year too, which is where I normally get the poppy from.

I think ladyB's post was probably made with sincere intent.

I don't wear a poppy myself. I respect the sacrifices which many individuals made. On the other hand, I don't think the political establishment should be encouraged to think that the populace can be used as fodder for its political schemes.

yes, I know poppies are worn by all clutures...
...but you have missed my point that you often see whites wearing them, but you don't often see other cultures sporting a poppy.
Some contradiction there, surely?

The muslim (I presume) bloke in my class last night had a poppy on his jacket, as I did on mine. We were the only two wearing them, I think, out of the class of fifteen or so, about twelve of whom are white.

It's personal choice, not a culture/religion thing.

Muslims fought in both world wars and lost many people who are commemorated the same as everyone else.
Wasn't there a notorious Muslim SS squad utilised in WWII? I remember reading this recently - this isn't some lame attempt at stirring up trouble.

Wasn't there a notorious Muslim SS squad? I remember reading this recently - this isn't some lame attempt at stirring up trouble.

There was a Hindu Indian Nationalist group that supported the Nazis. They saw it as a way to fight British Imperialism. There was a programme about them last year I recall.

Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists all signed up for the Nazis, according to a book called 'The East Came West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_East_Came_West_%28book%29)'. It seems that Bosnian and Croatian Muslims were employed by the Nazis to slaughter their brothers and sisters. It's a bizarre world - who'd have thought there were Nazi Buddhists?

It has nothing to do with culture. I'm sorry but your post is very patronising.

I fail to see how this person is being patronising in any way. Maybe they're perhaps a little quilty of not being in full posession of all the facts, but they certainly don't come across as patronising.

I see no deliberate attempt to stir up trouble. Perhaps the OP wasn't aware that many cultures fought in the war. Just because you know something, you can't expect everyone else to know it. Isn't that rather patronising?

Can't people make an honest observational comment on the forum without getting jumped on by people who are quite possibly a little less than perfect themselves.

Come on chaps!

I always find it useful to browse through some of the users previous posts in order to help me get a feel of who they are. I find it helps before jumping in with both feet.

Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists all signed up for the Nazis, according to a book called 'The East Came West (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_East_Came_West_%28book%29)'. It seems that Bosnian and Croatian Muslims were employed by the Nazis to slaughter their brothers and sisters. It's a bizarre world - who'd have thought there were Nazi Buddhists?

More a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend." Finland joined the war on the German side for that reason - they wanted to fight Stalin. They had nothing whatsoever in the way of sympathy for Nazism, they just knew damn well that Stalin and Russia was their enemy.

I assumed she just wanted a pretty flower to wear till she said, "i can remember all those poor shoulders (yes shoulders) who died if i get one". :)

Aw that really made me smile, bless her!

Shoulders!

More a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend." Finland joined the war on the German side for that reason - they wanted to fight Stalin. They had nothing whatsoever in the way of sympathy for Nazism, they just knew damn well that Stalin and Russia was their enemy.

The irony is that even some hardened German SS officers were taken aback by the sheer viciousness of their Bosnian muslim and Croat recruits or allies, who needed no tutelage from them in the fine arts of racial persecution and savagery (with Serbs being the primary victims).

If the original post here was not deliberately provocative, then I find it highly patronising.

So this is where the 'Delicate Flowers' gather?

"Patronising" indeed!

Wasn't there a notorious Muslim SS squad utilised in WWII? I remember reading this recently - this isn't some lame attempt at stirring up trouble.Yes there was but that is irrelevant in this context as Muslims and Christians and numerous other religions fought on both sides and indeed many Nazis were Christians. Neither world war was about religion, they were about nationalism and imperialism mainly.

Poppies are above all that, they are a symbol of remembrance and hope for peace and reconciliation throughout humanity regardless of culture or religion and for that reason it is not a notable event that a muslim is wearing one.

Fair point - I only vaguely mentioned it as it shows that Muslims were involved in WWII, and is a possible reason for wearing a poppy. I wasn't implying that Islam is somehow integrally connected with fascism, for instance - that'd be insane.

I wasn't implying that Islam is somehow integrally connected with fascism, for instance - that'd be insane.Indeed it would and I didn't think you meant that.

I think all you that are saying the op was patronising are being a bit harsh. Not everyone knows everything. It was an honest enough comment, and a positive one too.

I think all you that are saying the op was patronising are being a bit harsh. Not everyone knows everything. It was an honest enough comment, and a positive one too.

totally agree.

I think thats great too, but isn't rememberence sunday simply about remembering those who sacrificed their lives for us during wars, irreleivent of relegion? or is it a christian thing?

Its not a Christian thing, its a rememberance thing

I don't, i find it correct because you don't see many muslims wearing poppies, i've noticed this!
I don't see a lot of people wearing them full stop.people will generally notice more if a muslim isn't wearing a poppy than if a non-muslim isn't.

Also I must point out that I imagine that in light of recent events throughout the world,some would feel a bit scared or ashamed to where one because of their fellow muslims actions.I also think that this would be the perception of a lot of non-muslims,hence this thread.

Although a lot of muslims fought in the war but not as many families were affected in India compared to Britain. So a great many from the asian sub-continent don't even know the signifacance of wearing a popy, unless they have had a member of the family who gave that ultimate sacrifice. So it may be more a question of awareness than an objection to remember the fallen.

Also I must point out that I imagine that in light of recent events throughout the world,some would feel a bit scared or ashamed to where one because of their fellow muslims actions.I also think that this would be the perception of a lot of non-muslims,hence this thread.
Rather than ashamed of actions of their fellow muslims, I think "they" as in some may have issues with showing support for an army attacking their fellow muslims. Again it may be just a perception but nothing is as simple as we would wish it to be.

whilst out shopping on thursday I saw a family of muslims, (I was able to draw the conclusion that they were muslims by their dress) buying poppies and putting them on their kids....

I thought at the time how nice is that to see, people from another culture embracing ours.

just needed to share that with everyone..


if it wasn't for our lads in the war i'm afraid te muslims wouldn't be in our green and pleasant enjoying our "free" way of life....i must agree its nice to see them contributing and joining in to an old British tradition.

if it wasn't for our lads in the war i'm afraid te muslims wouldn't be in our green and pleasant enjoying our "free" way of life....i must agree its nice to see them contributing and joining in to an old British tradition.
You are aware that it wasn't only white Christian Brits who fought with the Allies in, for example, the second world war?

if it wasn't for our lads in the war i'm afraid te muslims wouldn't be in our green and pleasant enjoying our "free" way of life....i must agree its nice to see them contributing and joining in to an old British tradition.

What a ridiculous remark! :gag: . . I think you'll find 'Your lads' were also joined by 'lads' from many other nations in the past wars. My father, a muslim - was in the British Army and served for 20 years.

Your post is the most patronising yet! :loopy:

Why make a mountain out of a molehill ?

I agree with tab1. It's just an instinctive superficial thing. You see charity, and therefore you give. Nothing more. Nothing less. No agenda and thoughts of WW I, II, X, Y, and Z. :confused: I certainly didn't think about all the historical allies, and meaning as you all said here.

I'm pale beige, and I buy a poppy every now and then. However, I do avoid the same people again if I forget to wear my coat which had a poppy on ! :hihi: What ? I'm not a money tree.

I find it cute that the OP thinks this way. :)

Nov 11th, you buy a poppy.
Red nose day, you buy a red nose.
Christmas, you buy a tree. You get pressies.
Easter, you buy Easter Eggs.
Christmas you eat turkey. You listens to the boring Queen speech.

What is there to not understand ?? :confused:

Why make a mountain out of a molehill ?

I agree with tab1. It's just an instinctive superficial thing. You see charity, and therefore you give. Nothing more. Nothing less. No agenda and thoughts of WW I, II, X, Y, and Z. :confused: I certainly didn't think about all the historical allies, and meaning as you all said here. ...
You wear a poppy and don't give any thought to the people who lost their lives? That's the whole point of wearing the poppy, surely?

What a ridiculous remark! :gag: . . I think you'll find 'Your lads' were also joined by 'lads' from many other nations in the past wars. My father, a muslim - was in the British Army and served for 20 years.

Your post is the most patronising yet! :loopy:

Well 'Forest', believe it or not, I agree with you. I also tip my hat to your father :thumbsup:

Its not a Christian thing, its a rememberance thing
its not actually a rememberance thing, according to the BBC news other morning .Poppies used to sold as a way of raising funds for the charity, its just like when you get a sticker and but its a poppy.. Yes they sell them around rememberance sunday but the main reason is to raise the funds, apparently it started while the war was still going on, Sure CgkSheff will managed to find a link (as usual :hihi: :hihi: ) as i am not as creative at googlin!

its not actually a rememberance thing, according to the BBC news other morning .Poppies used to sold as a way of raising funds for the charity, its just like when you get a sticker and but its a poppy.. Yes they sell them around rememberance sunday but the main reason is to raise the funds, apparently it started while the war was still going on, Sure CgkSheff will managed to find a link (as usual :hihi: :hihi: ) as i am not as creative at googlin!
According to this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6133312.stm), it did start out as a way of raising money - for ex-solidiers. However, the initial inspiration was remembrance:
Two days before the Armistice was declared at 11am on 11 November 1918, Moina Michael was working in the YMCA Overseas War Secretaries' headquarters during its annual conference in New York.

While flipping through a copy of Ladies Home Journal, she came across McCrae's poem, and was so moved that she vowed to always wear a red poppy in remembrance.

I have no problem with anyone from any race or culture who wish to remember the fallen by wearing a poppy.

It's not about politics, religion or culture but remembrance.

Well 'Forest', believe it or not, I agree with you. I also tip my hat to your father :thumbsup:

Why, Thank you Forest Your The Coolest. :thumbsup: Some people on here dont have the foggiest.

Why make a mountain out of a molehill ?

I agree with tab1. It's just an instinctive superficial thing. You see charity, and therefore you give. Nothing more. Nothing less. No agenda and thoughts of WW I, II, X, Y, and Z. :confused: I certainly didn't think about all the historical allies, and meaning as you all said here.

I'm pale beige, and I buy a poppy every now and then. However, I do avoid the same people again if I forget to wear my coat which had a poppy on ! :hihi: What ? I'm not a money tree.

I find it cute that the OP thinks this way. :)

Nov 11th, you buy a poppy.
Red nose day, you buy a red nose.
Christmas, you buy a tree. You get pressies.
Easter, you buy Easter Eggs.
Christmas you eat turkey. You listens to the boring Queen speech.

What is there to not understand ?? :confused:
You are completely wrong there Bago. The other things you mention are completetly different to buying a poppy.
The poppy dates from WW1 when the poppies grew in abundance on the battlefields. They omly grow on earth that has been well dug over. This was the case in WW1, with all the shelling etc.
Never mind the reasons or objectives of war.
The reason we have the Poppy Day (tommorow this year), and Rememberance Sunday, is to remember the men who fell in the Wars. WW1 was the most bloody, and unecessary War mankind has known, we must never forget it.

WW1 was the most bloody, and unecessary War mankind has known, we must never forget it.

A very poignant post artisan and how very true.

You wear a poppy and don't give any thought to the people who lost their lives? That's the whole point of wearing the poppy, surely?
To answer Artisan also.

I wear a poppy because I know it represents those who have fought for this country, and I know that there is a service following Nov 11th, either on the day, or immediately after. However, I don't stop to think absolutely and debate within myself whether to get one or not. I don't think " Hmm... should I get one or should I not get one, how will others perceive me doing this ? Will they think I'm more British because of it ? Should I not get one cos my grandparents were never in this war ? "

Which is what some people have debated here. Why question other people's actions ? Whether there are other ethnic minorities involved in the past wars or not, the generations of ethnic minorities in this country right now will *still* get a poppy. I know roughly what it is all about, but I don't think too deeply how others see me doing this action.

Why make a mountain out of a molehill ?
When I said the above, I meant, why is this thread making a mountain out of a molehill of someone's simple action ? I don't mean that the whole Remembrance Sunday is exaggerated. It's always been done. I was taught that as a kid, and I don't doubt that anyone brought up in this country would not know what it is about.

I think I wrote somewhere on the SF mentioning that it was strange that someone asked me once why people wear poppies in the UK. I explained it to her (she was Australian chinese), and in an odd way, I never think twice about questioning my own actions. I just do it. People just do it. Why question it ? Am I not allowed to do this ? :confused:

WW1 was the most bloody, and unecessary War mankind has known, we must never forget it.

While it may have been a unecessary war it was certainly not the bloodiest in terms of casualties.

According to certain sources around 8.5 million died in The Great War.

In WW2 the death toll was in excess of 60 million.

However you are correct in that we must never forget.

To even suggest that poppies are the same as red noses is frankly disgusting. I wear one as a personal thankyou to my grandad who died as a result of lung disease gained through service in engine rooms in the Merchant Navy in WW2 to protect my freedom.

You simply cannot say 'oh it's just for charity'. It's a matter of national pride.

You simply cannot say 'oh it's just for charity'. It's a matter of national pride.


To you, and to me, it might be. To many - even, possibly, to most - it's just another charity box. I've known plenty of people who wore a poppy and didn't know which charity it was for.

I'm sorry if you took offence at my words. (I just read the thread 'Poppy Facism'. Now I know how strongly many feels about the significance of the poppy.) To me, it's about soldiers dying. I know I won't feel so strongly because my families were never involved. I do give it thoughts, as I do when I visit memorials of many other wars that took place in this world.

I'm sure everyone have their own personal feelings when they do these things. Whether it is to donate to charities, or whether they feel some kind of emotion having know what it represents. I know that I won't ever have the same kind of feelings as you do. Neither will you understand or comprehend what my family went through for me, to be in this country. It's going to be a personal thing, so I think it's best I leave it at that.

While it may have been a unecessary war it was certainly not the bloodiest in terms of casualties.



WW1 is described as the bloodiest due to the sheer scale of carnage over short spaces of time. The battle of the Somme is best remembered for its first day, 1 July 1916, on which the British suffered 57,470 casualties, including 19,240 dead — the bloodiest day in the history of the British Army to date. During its duration, July to November, there were 1 million casualties.

I'm sorry if you took offence at my words. (I just read the thread 'Poppy Facism'. Now I know how strongly many feels about the significance of the poppy.) To me, it's about soldiers dying. I know I won't feel so strongly because my families were never involved. I do give it thoughts, as I do when I visit memorials of many other wars that took place in this world.

I'm sure everyone have their own personal feelings when they do these things. Whether it is to donate to charities, or whether they feel some kind of emotion having know what it represents. I know that I won't ever have the same kind of feelings as you do. Neither will you understand or comprehend what my family went through for me, to be in this country. It's going to be a personal thing, so I think it's best I leave it at that.

Thankyou, that is a very sincere apology. Glad you are now understanding how emotive and important this is to a lot of people who have personally lost loved ones.

WW1 is described as the bloodiest due to the sheer scale of carnage over short spaces of time. The battle of the Somme is best remembered for its first day, 1 July 1916, on which the British suffered 57,470 casualties, including 19,240 dead — the bloodiest day in the history of the British Army to date. During its duration, July to November, there were 1 million casualties.
Almost 20000 dead, and just on one side.
The others badly injured and disabled.
We must find a better way to settle our differences than this. We are civilised people, yet bloodshed and destruction is the only way to settle our differences.
To use a phrases of Churchill's, is it not better to 'Jaw Jaw, than to War War' ?

Many people have suggested I am thick an antagonist or even cute(bless) why did I post this thread????because I am quite new to this forum and I am astonished at the amount of racism that floats about this site..indeed I knew that the reply's would come flooding in and so they did....however it was nice to see a family which are obviously not british to embrace a very british tradition.....was I patronising, I certainly didn't mean to be. I am so sick and tired of the media and forums such as these creating a divide between cultures and suggesting that we each have our own agenda. maybe I am not educated and, as I said before, a bit thick, if thats me then good. I am not racist, I do not think that any other culture other than my own is a threat and I embrace anything that adds to the fabric of our society. poppies are about remembering and watching the interaction between a old english gent and a muslim family smile at one another chat and then the old guy help pin the poppy on the young boy's top was a little sign of hope that we can live together build bridges and as a community, whatever our faith is, stand together to fight the facist's which poison our community...thick possibly...genuine definately

you did get a bit of a battering, didn't ya?!

while i personally opt not to buy poppies, you are absolutely right about the entrenched positions held by people on this forum and in the media - it is always nice when integration and a marriage of cultures are possible. particularly in these times, when divisions are contsantly highlighted, i don't see any harm in bringing people's attention back to the importance of striving for mutual respect and understanding.

Well said Lady B, you certainly didn't deserve the flaying you got from some on here

...indeed I knew that the reply's would come flooding in and so they did...
Which is what I meant when I said that I thought you were being deliberately provocative.

I don't think anyone called you thick or racist, though some of the posts which followed probably fell into those categories.

....however it was nice to see a family which are obviously not british to embrace a very british tradition.....


There you go, that's where your problem is. You insist on believing that Muslim families are not British families, when it's quite possible to be both.

Many people have suggested I am thick an antagonist or even cute(bless) why did I post this thread????because I am quite new to this forum and I am astonished at the amount of racism that floats about this site..indeed I knew that the reply's would come flooding in and so they did....however it was nice to see a family which are obviously not british to embrace a very british tradition.....was I patronising, I certainly didn't mean to be. I am so sick and tired of the media and forums such as these creating a divide between cultures and suggesting that we each have our own agenda. maybe I am not educated and, as I said before, a bit thick, if thats me then good. I am not racist, I do not think that any other culture other than my own is a threat and I embrace anything that adds to the fabric of our society. poppies are about remembering and watching the interaction between a old english gent and a muslim family smile at one another chat and then the old guy help pin the poppy on the young boy's top was a little sign of hope that we can live together build bridges and as a community, whatever our faith is, stand together to fight the facist's which poison our community...thick possibly...genuine definately

What a heartfelt post LadyB :)

As I suspected, your post wasn't a veiled racist attack at all. I actually smiled when I read your first post because I understood the essence of what you were trying to say and to some degree felt the same (although obviously it has to be acknowledged that the war was a multi-cultural effort)

Why is it that certain individuals automatically try to look for the worst in people instead of seeing the purity in a post like this?

What's that all about?

Some people on the forum see things in a statement that simply don't exist.

:rolleyes:

There you go, that's where your problem is. You insist on believing that Muslim families are not British families, when it's quite possible to be both.

I don't believe that all muslim families are not brithish I am refering to the family I observed on this occassion, maybe I made an assumtion that they were not english born because they were not speaking english when they engaged with one,(before anyone starts it was just an observation I have no problem with that at all it could have been welsh, italian whatever) maybe I made an assumtion they were muslim....point is i observed this and thought it represented something possitive in a day and age when so many people are trying to divide cultures within our community.

In WW2 India lost nearly 2 million people, killed.
At that ime I believe it included what we now as Pakistan and Bangladesh.
I would therefore imagine that Poppy Day and Remembrance Sunday mean as much to them, as it does to us.

if it wasn't for our lads in the war i'm afraid te muslims wouldn't be in our green and pleasant enjoying our "free" way of life....i must agree its nice to see them contributing and joining in to an old British tradition.

Please do not think this is what I was getting at......this remark stinks....I honestly did,t think about the history of the war or the politics which surround it when I posted it. it was more about, as I have said, a demonstration of a community coming together. I can see why some people see it as patronising and through reading the threads understand why. I was trying to get at the facist's in our society who see other cultures as having their own agenda. reading another thread which was about muslims I was appalled at how many negative comments there was, it was a kind of a "up yours" to them.

In WW2 India lost nearly 2 million people, killed.
At that ime I believe it included what we now as Pakistan and Bangladesh.
I would therefore imagine that Poppy Day and Remembrance Sunday mean as much to them, as it does to us.
Agreed, for those who lost relatives, and coupled with the cultural nature of the family structure of asian subcontinent, it means more than we may appreciate. Unforyunately for those born here of asian origin who are detatched from the mainstream community and not lost anybody to war, there is little awareness of issues of rememberance.

I don't, i find it correct because you don't see many muslims wearing poppies, i've noticed this!i will agree with this, ive never seen one at the sheffield cenetaph in over 30 years of going,at least not one i noticed, i have though ,seen plenty of west indians,and some of them were marching in the veterans parade,good luck to them all tomorrow and long may they march

i will agree with this, ive never seen one at the sheffield cenetaph in over 30 years of going,at least not one i noticed, i have though ,seen plenty of west indians,and some of them were marching in the veterans parade,good luck to them all tomorrow and long may they march
It may be because although they all pray to the same God but not seen many Christians in a mosque or the Synagog either offering their prayers. Any religious event that belongs to a different religion than your own would have psycological barriers, and maybe the same for Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs participating in a largely a Christian ceremony. That of course is why you only saw West Indians and not the Asians, but it's not because asians don't like to remember or show respect for the fallen.

i will agree with this, ive never seen one at the sheffield cenetaph in over 30 years of going,at least not one i noticed, i have though ,seen plenty of west indians,and some of them were marching in the veterans parade,good luck to them all tomorrow and long may they march

So how do you identify a muslim? there are white muslims,black muslims infact muslims from all corners of the globe.
Im glad to see you have a personal gift that allows you to identify if a person is a muslim or not a gift you must cherish im sure.

So how do you identify a muslim? there are white muslims,black muslims infact muslims from all corners of the globe.
Im glad to see you have a personal gift that allows you to identify if a person is a muslim or not a gift you must cherish im sure.i surely do, you see i havebeen attending the service for over 30 years, were you there today ? i think not,the easy way to define who is a muslim or not is to scan the crowd,if the ones you see stood there like dummies when the lords prayer is said by the crowd they are obviously not of this country,save your sarcasm for the day you may need it,or better still get your self of your backside next year and turn up ,before the ones you have to thank for bieng able to be a prat are all gone,as for the other forum members,i am shocked that this is the only post,and even more disgusted that no one had the time to comment on todays parade.......lest we forget ?
who,what,why...........

i surely do, you see i havebeen attending the service for over 30 years, were you there today ? i think not,the easy way to define who is a muslim or not is to scan the crowd,if the ones you see stood there like dummies when the lords prayer is said by the crowd they are obviously not of this country,...
You're not serious? :suspect: Perhaps they don't speak English. Maybe they're atheists. Maybe they simply don't know the words.
save your sarcasm for the day you may need it,or better still get your self of your backside next year and turn up ,before the ones you have to thank for bieng able to be a prat are all gone,as for the other forum members,i am shocked that this is the only post,and even more disgusted that no one had the time to comment on todays parade.......lest we forget ?
who,what,why...........
Several folk have commented on today's services in various threads. Others have probably remembered those who lost their lives privately, without feeling the need to comment about it on here.

It may be because although they all pray to the same God but not seen many Christians in a mosque or the Synagog either offering their prayers. Any religious event that belongs to a different religion than your own would have psycological barriers, and maybe the same for Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs participating in a largely a Christian ceremony. That of course is why you only saw West Indians and not the Asians, but it's not because asians don't like to remember or show respect for the fallen.
To extend this thought a little bit.
Do you not think that any religious building has a 'holy' feel to it.
A building that is set aside for prayer, or adoration has a certain atmosphere about it.
Go into any Cathedral for instance, and you feel a certain aura.

i surely do, you see i havebeen attending the service for over 30 years, were you there today ? i think not,the easy way to define who is a muslim or not is to scan the crowd,if the ones you see stood there like dummies when the lords prayer is said by the crowd they are obviously not of this country,save your sarcasm for the day you may need it,or better still get your self of your backside next year and turn up ,before the ones you have to thank for bieng able to be a prat are all gone,as for the other forum members,i am shocked that this is the only post,and even more disgusted that no one had the time to comment on todays parade.......lest we forget ?
who,what,why...........
The ones who aren't saying the Lords prayer are not of this country?
Like Hecate says there could be many reasons for not doing so - it's a rather dubious connection to say the least to assume they're all foreign, or indeed Muslim.

Seriously, go to Leicester. Theres more muslims and asians wearing poppies than there are whites wearing them!
I was there a few days ago.

To extend this thought a little bit.
Do you not think that any religious building has a 'holy' feel to it.
A building that is set aside for prayer, or adoration has a certain atmosphere about it.
Go into any Cathedral for instance, and you feel a certain aura.

The Remembrance Parade is usually held in the open air not in a holy building. In Sheffield it's held in Barker's Pool. AFAIK, the religious, political and commerical leaders are all invited to be a part of the proceedings. They're usually the mob on the City Hall steps :D

So there's really no excuse for not attending and paying your respects. Our servicemen and women are still dying to this day, so I can't see that the need for this one day of honouring and thinking of them will ever end, sadly.

The Remembrance Parade is usually held in the open air not in a holy building. In Sheffield it's held in Barker's Pool. AFAIK, the religious, political and commerical leaders are all invited to be a part of the proceedings. They're usually the mob on the City Hall steps :D

So there's really no excuse for not attending and paying your respects. Our servicemen and women are still dying to this day, so I can't see that the need for this one day of honouring and thinking of them will ever end, sadly.
I realise that quite clearly rubydazzler, the point I am trying to make is that no matter what your belief may be, it does not stop you paying homage to people that fell in war.
Most of these people were conscripted people. They were there because they had been forced to go.
The brave men and women we have today are professionals, it is their calling.
Neither branch deserves to die, we should be grateful for their sacrifice on our behalf. All people should give a few quid in remembrance of these heroes.

so I can't see that the need for this one day of honouring and thinking of them will ever end, sadly.

The last comment from the BBC coverage today was "And the killing goes on"

How true it is :(

Four British servicemen killed in Iraq today (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1240559,00.html)

Shame on you Blair.

I realise that quite clearly rubydazzler, the point I am trying to make is that no matter what your belief may be, it does not stop you paying homage to people that fell in war.
Most of these people were conscripted people. They were there because they had been forced to go.
The brave men and women we have today are professionals, it is their calling.
Neither branch deserves to die, we should be grateful for their sacrifice on our behalf. All people should give a few quid in remembrance of these heroes.
I Think that most of the soldiers in the Great War were volunteers. On the allied side anyway.
Did they even have conscription for that war ?
The Second World War was different, in the fact that conscription was heavily utilized and conscripts heavily outnumbered volunteers.
In any case they all bled the same colour and we should honour them all.

I Think that most of the soldiers in the Great War were volunteers. On the allied side anyway.
Did they even have conscription for that war ?
The Second World War was different, in the fact that conscription was heavily utilized and conscripts heavily outnumbered volunteers.
In any case they all bled the same colour and we should honour them all.
I think that introduced consciption sometime during WW1.
And I completely agree with your comments :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I think that introduced consciption sometime during WW1.
And I completely agree with your comments :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Lord Kitchener's volunteer campaign 'Your Country Needs You', encouraged over 1 million men to enlist by January 1915. This was insufficient as the war continued and the casualties increased.

In 1916 the Military Service Act was passed which imposed conscription on all single men aged 18 to 41 .Conscription proved necessary during this time to ensure all those who were eligible enlisted, however many of those on the front line had joined the armed forces before the war had begun and were professional soldiers.

Two members of my family voluntered in 1914. My Grandfather Harry Walker who served with The Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry and my Great Uncle Harry Eyre who served with the East Yorkshire Regiment and then The Sherwood Foresters when he was commissioned as an officer.

I've been selling Poppies this year around and about Sheffield, and I have to say that the majority of people who buy one are white British. Occasionally people from other western nations (Spain, France etc) give, but it is overwhelmingly white British.

We work in four hour shifts, and during any one of the shifts I did this year, I could count on two fingers the number of people of Asian/African origin who donated.

Of the Asian/African people who did donate, only one took a poppy. Draw your own conclusions. They either don't know what it's all about, or are afraid to be seen wearing a perceived Western symbol in their close-knit communities.

I have to add here, that absolutely no-one who appeared to be Oriental gave me so much as a glance, so perhaps it's wrong to make this into a Muslim-bashing thread.

F

Well I prefer not to take a poppy as if I take a poppy its like buying one but I let them keep the poppy so they save on costs

carpetviper,

Do you mind me asking about your ethnicity?

Thanks,

F

To extend this thought a little bit.
Do you not think that any religious building has a 'holy' feel to it.
A building that is set aside for prayer, or adoration has a certain atmosphere about it.
Go into any Cathedral for instance, and you feel a certain aura.
I agree totaly with that and that feeling I asure you is not limited to any one religion either. The reverance from people passing through these places also adds to a certain atmosphere that only is an experience rather than anything tangeable. Some places however comand a little more of that aura or an atmosphere than others. On a recent visit to Barcelona, took a trip out Mount Serrat, and truely a wonderful place and one can feel the tranquility the place offers, and without digressing I can confirm that same is true for many muslim holy places.

The irony is that even some hardened German SS officers were taken aback by the sheer viciousness of their Bosnian muslim and Croat recruits or allies, who needed no tutelage from them in the fine arts of racial persecution and savagery (with Serbs being the primary victims).

Serbs the victims???
What drugs are you on???

wasnt it the serbs who were ethnically cleansing muslims in the 1990's while the UN stood and watched?

Serbs the victims???
What drugs are you on???

wasnt it the serbs who were ethnically cleansing muslims in the 1990's while the UN stood and watched?

He's talking about WW II. What drugs are YOU on? :rolleyes:

Serbs the victims???
What drugs are you on???

wasnt it the serbs who were ethnically cleansing muslims in the 1990's while the UN stood and watched?


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