Is anyone watching this on channel one? about Bail Hostel Scandal: Panorama has spent five months secretly monitoring peadophiles and other violent criminals on release from prison into bail hostels.

Yes it was an utter disrace. They should all be stoned to death as it's the most awful death. It's all about what can we do for these 'poor creatures' instead of how can we protect the innocent. An utter disrace. A typical picture of how this country is becomming a haven for the criminals and a jail for the innocent.

I know of people who have been recalled and sent back to prison for little things like missing appointments etc. I had ot do an essay on this i think it's a disrace that peadophiles get alot more freedom and chances than people who once made a mistake and are trying to change their lifes but get recalled for wrong reasons.

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Nearly as much of a disgrace as repeatedly misspelling 'paedophile' and 'disgrace' in fact.

Im sorry we all didn't get an A* in English, some of us do actually make spelling mistakes and errors you know. We are only human! But i don't think the post you posted has anything to do with this really.

Let's all play nice shall we?



If you accept that we don't stone convicted paedophiles to death, or incarcerate them for ever just where would you realistically suggest they go on release?

Back into the busom of the family where 95% of sexual crimes against children are comitted?

Into a supervised bail hostel?

or where?

Nearly as much of a disgrace as repeatedly misspelling 'paedophile' and 'disgrace' in fact.
nothing quite as petty as the spelling police.:loopy:

Let's all play nice shall we?



If you accept that we don't stone convicted paedophiles to death, or incarcerate them for ever just where would you realistically suggest they go on release?

Back into the busom of the family where 95% of sexual crimes against children are comitted?

Into a supervised bail hostel?

or where?

Did you see the programme. The bail hostel was supervised in name only.

I personally would prefer it if men like the one featured in this programme (he had murdered a ten year old girl in her bed after sexually asaulting her) were never released from prison.
I don't believe he deserved a second chance at freedom.

If you accept that we don't stone convicted paedophiles to death, or incarcerate them for ever just where would you realistically suggest they go on release?

Back into the busom of the family where 95% of sexual crimes against children are comitted?

Into a supervised bail hostel?

or where?

I'm not sure I agree with your assumption that they shouldn't be incarcerated for ever or put to death.

The reasons for locking someone up are to punish, to serve as a clear threat and most importantly to protect the rest of society. Given that paedophiles will continue to present a threat to children on release, there is no justification for releasing them. (I'm talking here specifically about strangers who sexually assault pre-pubescent children).

The result is a group of people who will never be able to contribute to society in any positive way. We can spend vast sums making sure they are unable to re-offend or we could offer them an opt out like lethal injection.

Did anyone watch this investigation in to our probation service last night, it had some very frightening evidence of convicted child killers and paedophiles out and about in our society and hanging round kids and public toilets, one paedophile was seen with a camera round his neck taking photo's of innocent kiddes in shopping centres...:mad: :mad: even dangerous drug users and violent criminals who had attacked and stabbed women out in the pubs getting drunk when the probation staff and hostel workers were aware that most attacks stemmed from heavy drinking.... :loopy:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6123534.stm

That frightening.

In my very limited experience of the Probation Service, they mean well but they don't get anything done. Bearing in mind that I have no experience of hostels, just the PO @ West Bar.

Nice, but dim & useless.

I'm not sure I agree with your assumption that they shouldn't be incarcerated for ever or put to death.

Please don't assume that I assume that. Personally speaking there are whole swathes of our society that I think we would be better off without - permanently.

What I meant (and clearly said) is that we have to accept that they will be released. That's how our present system works, so we have to accept that as a fact in this discussion.

So, back to my original point, what is the alternative in the current system? All that the TV show did was to state the blinking obvious and wind people up in the process and possibly did more harm than good because (as I indicated) paedophiles are statistically found in the family home, not on the streets.

Did anyone watch this investigation in to our probation service last night, it had some very frightening evidence of convicted child killers and paedophiles out and about in our society and hanging round kids and public toilets, one paedophile was seen with a camera round his neck taking photo's of innocent kiddes in shopping centres...:mad: :mad: even dangerous drug users and violent criminals who had attacked and stabbed women out in the pubs getting drunk when the probation staff and hostel workers were aware that most attacks stemmed from heavy drinking.... :loopy:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/6123534.stm


i'm not calling the pedo's but have you ever noticed the amount of single men hanging around the peace gardens in the warm weather!! IT MAKES ME SICK.. JUST WANT TO GET A MEGA PHONE AND SHOUT PEDO

IT MAKES ME SICK.. JUST WANT TO GET A MEGA PHONE AND SHOUT PEDO

Go for it.

i'm not calling the pedo's but have you ever noticed the amount of single men hanging around the peace gardens in the warm weather!! IT MAKES ME SICK.. JUST WANT TO GET A MEGA PHONE AND SHOUT PEDO

To be honest, thats a bit of a generalisation - I've been known to go there and sit down with a sandwich and a paper over my lunch break whilst at college, as do many others I would imagine, its just a nice atmosphere and better than walking and eating...

If it was reported in Panorama, it won't be true. They have a long and well-established track record of talking absolute bullcrap.

why would they lie about such things? It was all undercover footage so im doubting it was a big hoax! it was actually a good but distrurbing programme

i'm not calling the pedo's but have you ever noticed the amount of single men hanging around the peace gardens in the warm weather!! IT MAKES ME SICK.. JUST WANT TO GET A MEGA PHONE AND SHOUT PEDO

YEH...LOL.... and most of them are the immigrants that hang round there!

o oh im in for it now...!!!

Let's all play nice shall we?



If you accept that we don't stone convicted paedophiles to death, or incarcerate them for ever just where would you realistically suggest they go on release?

Back into the busom of the family where 95% of sexual crimes against children are comitted?

Into a supervised bail hostel?

or where?

I think they should be incarcerated indefinitely if they offend more than once. They clearly have a compulsive mental disorder and should be sectioned in specialised institutions, either indefinitely, or until such time as a panel of psychiatrists can categorically state that they are no longer a danger to children.

YEH...LOL.... and most of them are the immigrants that hang round there!

o oh im in for it now...!!!

Did the Panorama programme show some paedophiles who were immigrants?

I like the Peace Gardens, there's usually a City Centre Ambassador or 2 keeping an eye on things, and all the little kids playing around the fountains are usually with parents. Lots of working people eat their lunch there and shoppers just taking the weight off. Of course there will be people who look different, and they may well be asylum seekers. They will hang around as they haven't anything much to do - unlike the rest of us, they aren't allowed to work.

I don't need to watch a Panorama programme to know it's full of errors, misleading statistics and outright lies and made-up stuff. I've seen enough of them before.

If Panorama is concerned about the state of bail hostels, that's all the evidence I need that they're working effectively.

I don't need to watch a Panorama programme to know it's full of errors, misleading statistics and outright lies and made-up stuff. I've seen enough of them before.

If Panorama is concerned about the state of bail hostels, that's all the evidence I need that they're working effectively.

I watched the programme in question. They filmed a convicted paedophile with a history of violent sexual assaults on young children from a supposedly 'supervised' bail hostel, befriending children on a council estate. The police were informed, but it didn't stop him going back repeatedly.

More to the point, his probation officers didn't stop him. They didn't know where he was, what he was up to, and generally didn't seem to give a damn.

If that's the probation service working effectively, I wouldn't like to see them on a bad day.

I don't see how you can make such categorical claims about the programme without having seen it.

What I meant (and clearly said) is that we have to accept that they will be released. That's how our present system works, so we have to accept that as a fact in this discussion.

So, back to my original point, what is the alternative in the current system? All that the TV show did was to state the blinking obvious and wind people up in the process and possibly did more harm than good because (as I indicated) paedophiles are statistically found in the family home, not on the streets.

The argument is circular. The programme exposed the lie that a wide range of criminals were being released into these set-ups on the basis that society would be protected from them. Clearly the probation system is a sham with parole boards having only the most cursory information to go on, a complete lack of communication between the various bodies and negligible monitoring of behaviour once released.

Parole boards are releasing these offenders on the basis that they will be under supervision and hence the public will be safe from them. If this is not the case, they shouldn't release them.

You make a valid point there Tricky and one that I wouldn't argue with. I was merely working with the facts to hand and not considering a change to the system.

So, again accepting that we aren't going to start castrating or executing certain criminals anytime soon, is it true to say that it does appear that the current laws and post release procedures are adequate but that they aren't being implemented properly, and that in turn makes them appear inadequate and undermine public confidence?

If you accept that we don't stone convicted paedophiles to death, or incarcerate them for ever just where would you realistically suggest they go on release?

Back into the busom of the family where 95% of sexual crimes against children are comitted?

Into a supervised bail hostel?

or where?

They should stay in prison.

And none of this pansy-stuff - proper prison. No TV, no luxuries, they're there to be punished, not treated like visitors.

Let's all play nice shall we?



If you accept that we don't stone convicted paedophiles to death, or incarcerate them for ever just where would you realistically suggest they go on release?

Back into the busom of the family where 95% of sexual crimes against children are comitted?

Into a supervised bail hostel?

or where?

Clearly most people need to be released back into the community with some form of supervision. What horrified me was that even the guy who spent 39 years in prison for a rape and murder of a child was released with no meaningful supervision. He was clearly still an immediate and serious risk - he should still be in a secure hospital or prison. It was fairly clear that his behaviour would always remain a constant threat to the public. Some people cannot ever be released. As it happens I don't agree with the "burn 'em" crowd. In fact his behaviour didn't make me angry in that sense - the man is ill, he's not evil. A secure hospital is probably the best place for him.

I don't see how you can make such categorical claims about the programme without having seen it.


I've seen Panorama programmes about politics, about prescription dispensing, about football, about horseracing, about drugs, about ... well, dozens of subjects.

Every single one of them has been so full of false claims, distorted statistics and outright lies that it's just easier, nowadays, to assume in advice that everything Panorama says is false.

If someone's talking rubbish on the six occasions where you know stuff about the subject they're covering, it's safe to assume that they're talking rubbish all the rest of the time when you don't.

Personally speaking there are whole swathes of our society that I think we would be better off without - permanently.

Steady on, Tony. :o

i'm not calling the pedo's but have you ever noticed the amount of single men hanging around the peace gardens in the warm weather!! IT MAKES ME SICK.. JUST WANT TO GET A MEGA PHONE AND SHOUT PEDO

I once caught a guy filming me on his phone in the Peace Gardens :o

I only had my trousers up on my legs (true british style :hihi) and a guy who looked Kosovan or something had his phone pointing straight at me, and I thought maybe he's just texting or something so I stood up and he moved it as I did so I moved away from him, the creep :gag:

Steady on, Tony. :o
Do you think that you will be on my list?? :hihi: ;)

phut! paedos melt em down

Absolutely! Let's make cake from them, or perhaps turn them into schools!

Do you think that you will be on my list?? :hihi: ;)
Quite possibly, but it was a comment which had ironic overtones of the Wannsee Protocol. :(

no just melt them down, & pour them down the drain or flush them down the s******.