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RiffRaff
08-11-2006, 15:11
Having been raised in God's Own Country (Eire) I remember certain phrases that are in common use over there, but not over here in England.
We can and do use ' isn't ', ' can't ', ' won't ' and the like, so why not the Irish-ism of ' amn't ' instead of 'I am not....'?

Sultana
08-11-2006, 15:13
It's all down to dialect, and where you live. If you use it often enough - you might start a trend!

GazB
08-11-2006, 15:14
Like, "I'm not"?

Joanl
08-11-2006, 15:23
But as a kid in Sheffield at school we used to say "I amn't," like as in, "I amn't got one". Used to get tutted at all the time for doing it as well.:hihi:

RichC
08-11-2006, 15:53
I thought that was more an abbreviation of 'haven't', i.e 'ha'n't'.

Or, more appropriately, ''a'n't' ;)

Macca
08-11-2006, 15:55
Having been raised in God's Own Country (Eire) I remember certain phrases that are in common use over there, but not over here in England.
We can and do use ' isn't ', ' can't ', ' won't ' and the like, so why not the Irish-ism of ' amn't ' instead of 'I am not....'?

'Howyeh' or 'Howyis' are two of my faves - I reckon we should adopt them as our own!

Ms Macbeth
08-11-2006, 15:59
Amn't was certainly used in place of 'am not' when I was a child in Scotland. Example; 'I amn't (am not) going to do that'. I hadn't thought about its use like that for years. I now say 'I'm not' but that could be the effect of living in England for 36 years!

Joanl
08-11-2006, 16:03
I thought that was more an abbreviation of 'haven't', i.e 'ha'n't'.

Or, more appropriately, ''a'n't' ;)

Yeah I'm sure it is but thats what it came out as, "I amn't got one" or "I amn't gorr any"....but it would be "he ant gorr any":huh:
Never thought about it before but there it is, it all comes flooding back now,:hihi:

muddycoffee
08-11-2006, 17:23
English people tend to strongly stress the first sylable of each word they say, and an Irish accent tends to a more even stress to all the sylables of words, as it is a more sing-song accent where the later sylables are pronounced slowly with just as much importance as the first..

Isn't in coloquial sheffield accent tends towards "In't"

' can't ', ' won't '

These contracted word groups are pronounced with a single sylable,
That's why Amn't isn't so common in England in my opinion, because it needs two sylables,
no time is saved in saying it, it is just as fast with "Am Not". Which is why I think that it isn't commonly heard. :thumbsup:

Ann*
08-11-2006, 18:04
A good chunk of England, I think, uses "I ain't", although I know, in Cornwall it's "I b'ain't", so yes it is all to do with local colloquialisms.

RiffRaff
08-11-2006, 23:08
English people tend to strongly stress the first sylable of each word they say, and an Irish accent tends to a more even stress to all the sylables of words, as it is a more sing-song accent where the later sylables are pronounced slowly with just as much importance as the first..

Isn't in coloquial sheffield accent tends towards "In't"

' can't ', ' won't '

These contracted word groups are pronounced with a single sylable,
That's why Amn't isn't so common in England in my opinion, because it needs two sylables,
no time is saved in saying it, it is just as fast with "Am Not". Which is why I think that it isn't commonly heard. :thumbsup:

Interesting - never thought it was a case of saving time, but you may have a point.

Mind you, the one that has always intrigued me is how many folk use 'was' and 'were' the wrong way round - they can't be cases of saving time!

I amn't going to start that bad habit!

MickeyBarnes
08-11-2006, 23:10
instead of saying three, we could all say tree.

lizzmobile
08-11-2006, 23:13
My Irish friend says 'bring' when she means 'take' and it confuses the heck out of me. Once I bought a croissant and it was v.i.l.e. and when I left work at lunch time she told me to 'bring it back' : huh: she meant 'take it back' I was baffled for at least 60 seconds.

Gypsy Hack
08-11-2006, 23:41
In Sheffield (indeed most of Yorkshire) we tend to use either ain't or (I'm guessing it's derivative) aren't. You never heard a kid say 'I aren't doing that'?

Gypsy Hack
08-11-2006, 23:43
My Irish friend says 'bring' when she means 'take' and it confuses the heck out of me. Once I bought a croissant and it was v.i.l.e. and when I left work at lunch time she told me to 'bring it back' : huh: she meant 'take it back' I was baffled for at least 60 seconds.

At least you didn't misunderstand and disappear to the toilet to stick two fingers down your throat.

lizzmobile
08-11-2006, 23:50
OMG! PMSL! That was so funny.

Bago
09-11-2006, 00:40
English people tend to strongly stress the first sylable of each word they say, and an Irish accent tends to a more even stress to all the sylables of words, as it is a more sing-song accent where the later sylables are pronounced slowly with just as much importance as the first..

Isn't in coloquial sheffield accent tends towards "In't"

' can't ', ' won't '

These contracted word groups are pronounced with a single sylable,
That's why Amn't isn't so common in England in my opinion, because it needs two sylables,
no time is saved in saying it, it is just as fast with "Am Not". Which is why I think that it isn't commonly heard. :thumbsup:
Hm... never really notice this, but it reminds me of that Audrey Hepburn movie.

I never thought that emphasis of tones would be used in English though. I've never heard of the term 'amn't' either !

Actually, is "inn't" a Nothern term, or a Southern term ? I've always been confused with this. I've heard it in London before, but then a few young kids will always use this too ! Is it cos Ali G uses it too ? :suspect:

peterw
09-11-2006, 01:04
Having been raised in God's Own Country (Eire) I remember certain phrases that are in common use over there, but not over here in England.
We can and do use ' isn't ', ' can't ', ' won't ' and the like, so why not the Irish-ism of ' amn't ' instead of 'I am not....'?

I like it, but England is England and Eire is Eire. We have our own grammar, you have yours and never the twain shall meet.

upinwath
09-11-2006, 07:23
Having been raised in God's Own Country (Eire) I remember certain phrases that are in common use over there, but not over here in England

You are making a fundamental mistake.

When God created the world he saw the place was OK but then decided he needed a template for heaven's design.

He came up with Yorkshire and made heaven in it's image.

When you meet your maker he will greet you with a hearty "ey up mucker" and slap you on the back.
However if you are a naughty type you will be greated by satan and a greeting along the lines of "a very good morning and welcome to London".

RiffRaff
09-11-2006, 07:57
You are making a fundimental mistake.

When God created the world he saw the place was OK but then decided he needed a template for heaven's design.

He came up with Yorkshire and made heaven in it's image.

When you meet your maker he will greet you with a hearty "ey up mucker" and slap you on the back.
However if you are a naughty type you will be greated by satan and a greeting along the lines of "a very good morning and welcome to London".

FundAmental...

upinwath
09-11-2006, 08:16
FundAmental...

It's only just morning. Give me a break.:)