My Probe had its MOT today, and its failed spectacularly! :(

Some of the things are minor (headlamps, wiper blades etc.) and cheap to fix, but some of it sounds like its going to be expensive - the garage has quoted me at least £580! :o

Well I aint paying that, even if I could afford it, but I don't really want to scrap it - only had it a year. :rant:

I don't know what half of the stuff is, anyone reckon I could get this lot done cheaper?

The catalogue of disaster is as follows (serious sounding stuff in bold):

Measurements
Brakes Failures: PBT Park Brake Efficency: 7%

Reasons for refusal of a Test Certificate

001 Front windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively

002 Front windscreen has damage to an area in excess of a 10mm circle within zone 'A'

003 Offside headlamp aim too high

004 Nearside front front position lamp(s) not in good working order (not working)

005 Nearside headlamp not working on main beam

006 Nearside outer front constant velocity joint gaiter split

007 Front exhaust system has a major leak of exhaust gases

008 Parking brake lever has no reserve travel

009 Nearside rear (to caliper) brake cable locking device insecure

010 Offside rear (to caliper) brake cable locking device insecure

011 Nearside rear brake recording little or no effort

012 Offside rear brake recording little or no effort

013 Rear (filler neck/breather pipes) fuel system component insecure

014 Offside outer front constant velocity joint gaiter split

021 Parking brake efficiency is below requirements

Advisory Items

015 Nearside front brake hose slightly deteriorated

016 Offside front brake hose slightly deteriorated

017 Nearside rear tyre worn close to the legal limit

018 Offside rear tyre worn close to the legal limit

019 Rear brake discs corroded

021 Front & rear tyres different sizes



And that's your lot! :wow:

So is it really 600 quids worth? And what the hell is a constant velocity joint gaiter? :suspect:

Apart from the trifling matter of having some brakes it doesn't sound too bad, Meaks. :o :)

The gaitors are the rubber sleeves that go over joints to keep the crap out.
Imagine a concertinered conical cover like at the bottom of a gear stick?


http://www.haynes.co.uk/wcsstore/HaynesPublishing/images/features/mot_3476-mot05.jpg

Apart from the trifling matter of having some brakes it doesn't sound too bad, Meaks. :o :)

Pffft, who needs brakes? :|

The gaitors are the rubber sleeves that go over joints to keep the crap out.
Imagine a concertinered conical cover like at the bottom of a gear stick?


http://www.haynes.co.uk/wcsstore/HaynesPublishing/images/features/mot_3476-mot05.jpg

Thanks ckg, doesn't sound like they should be too dear then. :|

Thanks ckg, doesn't sound like they should be too dear then. :|

The parts are really inexpensive- it's the getting everything apart so you can change the split one for the new one that will cost you an arm and a foot.

Depending on the parts prices for your car (I've never owned a Ford) the front part of your exhaust could set you back over £100 (assuming that it needs replacing and not just emitting gas because it's loose of course).

I don't think that the price you've been quoted is actually that bad for the long list of things that they'll be rectifying to get the car through the MOT. Quote a lot of the overall cost is taken up in parts that you need.

Meaks, old pal, I hope you are physically fitter than your car! :)

It's falling apart. :hihi:

Surely you must have known it had these issues, i.e poor braking effort, windscreen wipers,etc.

001 Front windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively

002 Front windscreen has damage to an area in excess of a 10mm circle within zone 'A'

003 Offside headlamp aim too high

004 Nearside front front position lamp(s) not in good working order (not working)

005 Nearside headlamp not working on main beam

006 Nearside outer front constant velocity joint gaiter split

007 Front exhaust system has a major leak of exhaust gases

008 Parking brake lever has no reserve travel

009 Nearside rear (to caliper) brake cable locking device insecure

010 Offside rear (to caliper) brake cable locking device insecure

011 Nearside rear brake recording little or no effort

012 Offside rear brake recording little or no effort

013 Rear (filler neck/breather pipes) fuel system component insecure

014 Offside outer front constant velocity joint gaiter split

021 Parking brake efficiency is below requirements

Advisory Items

015 Nearside front brake hose slightly deteriorated

016 Offside front brake hose slightly deteriorated

017 Nearside rear tyre worn close to the legal limit

018 Offside rear tyre worn close to the legal limit

019 Rear brake discs corroded

021 Front & rear tyres different sizes






I assume that this is now the official Wedding Present List? :hihi:

First rule of MOT's; tell the garage doing the test, IN ADVANCE, that if they find any faults, you will be taking it to your regular mechanic to have them fixed.

That, alone, usually wipes out 75% of the faults found in MOTs.

Meaks, scrap it. You're too ****** to drive half the time, and £600 is a lot of tram weekly savers to the workplace of doom.

First rule of MOT's; tell the garage doing the test, IN ADVANCE, that if they find any faults, you will be taking it to your regular mechanic to have them fixed.

That, alone, usually wipes out 75% of the faults found in MOTs.
That's cunning, Heyesey!

have you ever had the car service? it doesnt sound like it.
1) new wiper blade = £8
2)new wind screen = insurance claim £50-75 excess
3) 5 minute to adjusted £10
4) new blub £5
5)another bulb?
6) a rubber boot over CV joint £40
7) depend on how much part cost approx£100
8-9-10-11) the rear brakes/hand brake near a good clean and adjusted and brake cable nylon tie £60-80
12) a rubber boot over CV joint £40

so your rear brakes and tyres are crap and need a complete over haul
depends how long the cv boots gone it might well need new cv joints (£80) and it will get expensive
consider you dont take care of your car and the car is crap you are better off scraping it and take a bus

Sounds like most of the cost quoted is going to be labour charges.

Meaks,

Personally, I would be taking the fail sheet to recommended garages and asking them to quote me. Try shopping around.

Would you like me to ask my garage for you? I've been using them for 15 years and they're pretty sound.

It's worth shopping about but take these peoples claimed prices with a pince of salt. My car service cost £800 and I had the usual selection of people saying I was ripped off and they could have had it done for a fiver! Mechanics charge, unless you can get the bits yourself and fix it yourself then it's going to cost more than it should! If it it lasts for another year after getting those bits done then £600 for a years driving aint bad.

Surely you must have known it had these issues, i.e poor braking effort, windscreen wipers,etc.

Well yes I knew about the wipers / lights etc. but didn't know about the rest of it. Brakes seem fine to me (except the handbrake)

Personally, I would be taking the fail sheet to recommended garages and asking them to quote me. Try shopping around.

Would you like me to ask my garage for you? I've been using them for 15 years and they're pretty sound.

Thanks SW! I suppose I could give it a try - I can do some of the easy stuff myself (lights, wipers etc.). Where abouts is said garage?

Meaks, scrap it. You're too ****** to drive half the time, and £600 is a lot of tram weekly savers to the workplace of doom.

I got on the tram today... :gag:
Seriously though I am considering it. I would save loads of money and its easy enough to tram to work.
The problem comes when I want to go anywhere else... :(

First rule of MOT's; tell the garage doing the test, IN ADVANCE, that if they find any faults, you will be taking it to your regular mechanic to have them fixed.

That, alone, usually wipes out 75% of the faults found in MOTs.

To be honest they didn't sound like they were intetrested in doing the work anyway.

Thanks SW! I suppose I could give it a try - I can do some of the easy stuff myself (lights, wipers etc.). Where abouts is said garage?

The problem comes when I want to go anywhere else... :(

It's in Rotherham. I'll try and give them a call later.

Re: going anywhere else. Can't you use the wife's? :)

Re: going anywhere else. Can't you use the wife's? :)

I could, if she had one... :D

I could, if she had one... :D

Oooh I say! A girl's got to have transport!

Ok, leave it with me and I'll see what I can do.

What year is your Probe?

my general advice for people with cars. find a mechanic first - let them MOT the car.
little bits like bulbs they will porbably do in the price. it costs me an extra fiver for a mechanic to take it to the mot centre.
the most i have paid is £50 for work doing(on a '78 MG Midget),usually it doesn't cost me anything.
bearing in mind that i mot & service 3 vehicles a year that's good going.(it used to be 4)

I took my scooter in and they said to get everything fixed it would be £580! It didn't cost me anywhere near that. They tried to charge me £70 to replace a switchgear which I did myself and cost £12.50. Thanks Manhattans :suspect: . I took it to another mechanic which I go to for everything now and he said about 20-30% less than what they said, and he seemed a lot more thorough and caring. My advice to you is try do everything you can yourself and what you can't - shop around.

What year is your Probe?

1994 M, 16v, 2L :thumbsup:

Thanks everyone for your posts, looks like it might not be the end of the line yet...

If it's still taxed just keep driving it because if you get stopped you might get a little fine of £60 which is far less than the cost of repairs and you don't get points. Then chuck it away when tax runs out cos it's not worth repairing and other faults will probably crop up after the test. Just don't crash it with those knackered brakes ffs!!!;)

Don't get emotionally involved with keeping a car because you like it when the economics don't stack up, that is one of the best ways of wasting money there is.

If it's still taxed just keep driving it because if you get stopped you might get a little fine of £60 which is far less than the cost of repairs and you don't get points. Then chuck it away when tax runs out cos it's not worth repairing and other faults will probably crop up after the test. Just don't crash it with those knackered brakes ffs!!!;)

Don't get emotionally involved with keeping a car because you like it when the economics don't stack up, that is one of the best ways of wasting money there is.

I've thought about doing this as well. :)

I will see if I can get it done on the cheap first, if not then its looking like its going to have to go.

If it's still taxed just keep driving it because if you get stopped you might get a little fine of £60 which is far less than the cost of repairs and you don't get points. Then chuck it away when tax runs out cos it's not worth repairing and other faults will probably crop up after the test. Just don't crash it with those knackered brakes ffs!!!;) .

NOT good advice.

Having no MOT invalidates your insurance.

You get pulled, you'll get a min of 6 points (no insurance - due to no MOT) + a nice fine:).

NOT good advice.

Having no MOT invalidates your insurance.

You get pulled, you'll get a min of 6 points (no insurance - due to no MOT) + a nice fine:).No mot does NOT invalidate your insurance, the only thing that invalidates insurance is having no licence. I've never heard of a court doing anyone just for no mot and no other offence, the police accept they are often overlooked until the tax is due and will usually just tell you to get it done straightaway.

However since the new computerised MOTs have been introduced the DVLA will soon start writing to people to advise them that their MOT is due and inevitably they will link that with SORN (statutory off road notice) declarations and start issuing penalties for non MOTd, non SORNed vehicles. Another stealth tax Mr Brownie has invented.

No mot does NOT invalidate your insurance, the only thing that invalidates insurance is having no licence. I've never heard of a court doing anyone just for no mot and no other offence, the police accept they are often overlooked until the tax is due and will usually just tell you to get it done straightaway.

However since the new computerised MOTs have been introduced the DVLA will soon start writing to people to advise them that their MOT is due and inevitably they will link that with SORN (statutory off road notice) declarations and start issuing penalties for non MOTd, non SORNed vehicles. Another stealth tax Mr Brownie has invented.


So fining people for driving cars likely to be not in a road worthy condition is a stealth tax and not a good idea then?

No mot does NOT invalidate your insurance


I only looked at one site (Churchill), but the very top of the list of your obligations is;

YOU MUST: keep your vehicle roadworthy.

If you don't have an MOT, your vehicle is not roadworthy, and your insurance will be invalid. That may not get your prosecuted for no insurance, but there's no way in hell Churchill are going to pay out on anything.

A Gallon of unleaded, and park it on the Manor for the night...job sorted. :thumbsup:

So fining people for driving cars likely to be not in a road worthy condition is a stealth tax and not a good idea then?I didn't say that they should be on the road I said it is a tax on people for not MOTing their cars if they don't fill the SORN declaration in. My other tongue in cheek comment about driving without MOT said to drive if it's taxed.

I only looked at one site (Churchill), but the very top of the list of your obligations is;

YOU MUST: keep your vehicle roadworthy.

If you don't have an MOT, your vehicle is not roadworthy, and your insurance will be invalid. That may not get your prosecuted for no insurance, but there's no way in hell Churchill are going to pay out on anything.Not having an MOT doesn't mean it isn't roadworthy. I'm afraid you are wrong on this.

Not having an MOT doesn't mean it isn't roadworthy. I'm afraid you are wrong on this.

Anybody want to try to claim insurance on a car with no MOT? I'm betting a hefty chunk of money that you don't get paid.


Scratch that bet. I already won. From the Government's own agency website:

When do you need to MOT your vehicle?

Every vehicle in the UK needs to be tested each year to ensure that it complies with roadworthiness standards. If you have a vehicle that is more than three years old, it will need an MOT test each year to ensure that it meets at least the minimum road safety and environmental standards.

Anybody want to try to claim insurance on a car with no MOT? I'm betting a hefty chunk of money that you don't get paid.


Scratch that bet. I already won. From the Government's own agency website:

When do you need to MOT your vehicle?

Every vehicle in the UK needs to be tested each year to ensure that it complies with roadworthiness standards. If you have a vehicle that is more than three years old, it will need an MOT test each year to ensure that it meets at least the minimum road safety and environmental standards.Pity you scratched that bet I would have taken you up on it.

I'm not saying that you would neccessarily get paid out on your own car if it is shown to be unroadworthy but they will cover third party losses and you are insured and you therefore cannot be prosecuted for no insurance despite no MOT.

1994 M, 16v, 2L :thumbsup:

Thanks everyone for your posts, looks like it might not be the end of the line yet...

Get rid of it....how can you drive a car that sounds like something surgical? Its like having an Vauxhall Truss, or a Peugeot Hernia.

I know someone who was about to get paid out on a written off car. Asked for MOT he had to admit it wasn't current. 2 more years of a 3 year £2.5k loan to pay off and no payout.

No mot does NOT invalidate your insurance

I suggest you ask your insurer.

If you have no MOT, the car is unroadworthy. Which invalidates the insurance.

I didn't say that they should be on the road I said it is a tax on people for not MOTing their cars if they don't fill the SORN declaration in

No... It's a fine for not complying with your legal obligations (keeping the car roadworthy - which you clearly failed to do - 'cause if you did, you'd have noticed the faults and had them repaired when they arose).

Not having an MOT doesn't mean it isn't roadworthy. I'm afraid you are wrong on this.

it means that you can't prove it was roadworthy though. I wouldn't want to try claiming on insurance if the car wasn't MOT'd.

If yo have an accident and they don't check or ask then you could well be fine. If they do ask or check then you would be stuffed!

I suggest you ask your insurer.

If you have no MOT, the car is unroadworthy. Which invalidates the insurance.I have asked my insurer and they say it is covered legally but obviously don't recommend it. Why does the policy say the car should be roadworthy and not say it should have a valid MOT if it is over 3 years old or the policy is invalid? That is deliberately ambiguous because they know they have to pay out. They may pay out less if the car isn't tested.

As I said earlier no MOT does NOT mean the car is unroadworthy, supposing you took it fro testing and it passed with no faults, it would therefore be roadworthy without a test.

Have a look at these http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Motoring/Question278818.html
http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Motoring/Question233328.html

Doesn't the insurance require that you be driving legally? Which would in turn require a valid MOT.

it means that you can't prove it was roadworthy though. I wouldn't want to try claiming on insurance if the car wasn't MOT'd.As you have said on other subjects the onus is for prosecution to prove their case and in this case it is not for the villain to prove it was roadworthy. They would be prosecuted for no test as a legal requirement but not for no insurance.

supposing you took it fro testing and it passed with no faults, it would therefore be roadworthy without a test.

You'd get a pass certificate, which means it has passed the test:confused:

Is it the prosecution that's important, or your insurance company refusing to pay out?

Doesn't the insurance require that you be driving legally? Which would in turn require a valid MOT.In that case you wouldn't get paid out on accident if you were speeding or doing anything illegal which is the cause of most accidents. If that were the case they shouldn't charge higher premiums for faster cars either.

Is it the prosecution that's important, or your insurance company refusing to pay out?The whole of my discourse here is hypothetical none of it is important if we abide by the rules.

I'll add my two cents

Highway code (http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/28.htm)

MOT. Cars and motorcycles MUST normally pass an MOT test three years from the date of the first registration and every year after that. You MUST NOT drive a vehicle without an MOT certificate, when it should have one. Driving an unroadworthy vehicle may invalidate your insurance. Exceptionally, you may drive to a pre-arranged test appointment or to a garage for repairs required for the test.
Law RTA 1988 sects 45, 47, 49 & 53

Oh, and i forgot to add that a magistrate gave me mate Gaz 2 points on his licence for having no MOT on his Granada

I'll add my two cents

Highway code (http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/28.htm)

MOT. Cars and motorcycles MUST normally pass an MOT test three years from the date of the first registration and every year after that. You MUST NOT drive a vehicle without an MOT certificate, when it should have one. Driving an unroadworthy vehicle may invalidate your insurance. Exceptionally, you may drive to a pre-arranged test appointment or to a garage for repairs required for the test.
Law RTA 1988 sects 45, 47, 49 & 53

Oh, and i forgot to add that a magistrate gave me mate Gaz 2 points on his licence for having no MOT on his GranadaHalfway down your own highway code link it says you can't get points for no MOT but can be fined up to £1000 so Gaz needs to appeal that. You say it MAY invalidate insurance, so it's still a grey area.

Logically, insurance must still be valid for a vehicle that has failed an MOT test - at least for a certain length of time.

Otherwise the garages would be full of failed vehicles that cannot leave!

FORD = F ix O r R epair D aily :hihi:

FORD = F ix O r R epair D aily :hihi:

Loads Of Trouble Usually Serious = LOTUS

Logically, insurance must still be valid for a vehicle that has failed an MOT test - at least for a certain length of time.

Otherwise the garages would be full of failed vehicles that cannot leave!

Logically if you failed your MOT and your old one has already expired, you can't legally drive away unless you're driving to another garage where you will have it repaired.

Fortuantely a car can have the test performed upto a month before the old test expires, giving you time to arrange for the repairs whilst you still have a valid certificate.

Loads Of Trouble Usually Serious = LOTUSCollectors car, you have to collect all the bits that fall off.

FORD = F ix O r R epair D aily :hihi:

The Probe was mostly manufacturerd by Mazda, shame it has the Ford badge on.

Was thinking of debadging it but won't bother now. Ford Probe-lem more like. :D

Halfway down your own highway code link it says you can't get points for no MOT but can be fined up to £1000 so Gaz needs to appeal that. You say it MAY invalidate insurance, so it's still a grey area.

A magistrate can impose any amount of points they wish, as he learnt when he was unable to prove he was insured either.....They gave him 5 for that on top.

A magistrate can impose any amount of points they wish, as he learnt when he was unable to prove he was insured either.....They gave him 5 for that on top.No he can't, that is factually incorrect as your own link proves.

The Probe was mostly manufacturerd by Mazda, shame it has the Ford badge on.

Was thinking of debadging it but won't bother now. Ford Probe-lem more like. :D

the probe's biggest problem was being named after a medical process

it would have been a bigger seller if it was named after say i dont know maybe an italian island lke capri just a thought

Or a big cat, like a cougar maybe?

Or a big cat, like a cougar maybe?Or maybe a planet such as Mercury.

Unfortunately, even if you go to another garage, all this will show up before they even do an MOT. Unless you know a mechanic that will sort it all out on the cheap before taking another MOT, you'll have to pay it.

what did you do with the Probe???????

what did you do with the Probe???????

Nothing yet, its outside looking dejected. :(

Tram again tomorrow then...

scrape it, the bills will go on and on and on , the car is crap and worth nothing so just cut the losts and scrape it

scrape it, the bills will go on and on and on , the car is crap and worth nothing so just cut the losts and scrape itYep, I had to scrape mine this morning with it being so cold.

Waiting for a quote Meaks. Should hopefully be with us today.

I need to ask....the windscreen thing. Is it a chip or is it cracked? Can you/would you get this fixed via your insurance company? (most offer a free repair service)

I have asked for a quote with the windscreen replaced and also for a quote without.

Apparently, according to my chaps, the front and rear tyres being different sizes should have been a fail too, instead of an advisory note.

I certainly wouldn't drive it without MOT for lots of reasons, not least because if the brakes go a bit 'pete Tong' then you (and others) could potentially be in big trouble. Putting aside the law for a moment, it's not really not advisable. You already have problem brakes identified on the fail sheet - I really wouldn't take the risk. As much as it pains me to say, stick to using public transport sweetie :hihi:

As far as I can see, there's nothing major here, just lots of smaller things. The equation is simple really, if you like the car, fix it. If you hate it and always thought it was a bit of a donkey, then sell it. Only you can decide!

:)

Will keep you posted.

Thank you! :)

Doubt the windscreen will need replacing - they reckoned it will probably polish out, but its probably covered by the insurance. Not a chip, I think they are referring to some apparent scratching caused by the wipers.
Will try and have a butchers.

To be honest I am quite liking the tram (:blush:) its less stressful than sitting in rush hour traffic. Plus I get to mince about more. ;)

Meaks,

How much is your car worth as a private sale
a) in its current condition
b) if it was repaired?

If it's only worth hundreds of pounds either way, it may simply be cheaper and more effective to sell/scrap it and then either take the tram or buy another cheap car.

having a no MOT is not an endorsable offence

Meaks. I've just had word back from my garage.

Obviously he struggled a little on one or two things because he hasn't seen your car, however, according to him, it would appear that the quote you've had is not that far out. You're certainly going to be looking at several hundred pounds.

He said that potentially the exhaust may be able to be welded and that would save a fair bit of cash, but if a new one was needed then it would push the price up quite a bit. The windscreen could possibly be repaired rather than replaced, again saving cash. In relation to advisory items, these aren't required to be completed by law, but they're a friendly warning of things that will at some point require attention so essentially it's worth getting them done.

All in all, he didn't sound very hopeful, and I've a good enough relationship with him to know when he's not feeling confident about a project.

If you still decide you want it fixing, I'm sure that he will beat your quote, but not by as much as I had hoped.

Sorry mister! :(

Awww, not seen this 'til today.

Thanks for trying anyways dear! :)

i have a red metro ascot 100 r reg 57500 miles sunroof rad cass 10 mot months 425ono nice drive its done 1mile since mot been waiting 4 log book 2 months
got it to sell on
pm me if you like
its in ad mag on wednesday

My Probe had its MOT today, and its failed spectacularly! :(

Some of the things are minor (headlamps, wiper blades etc.) and cheap to fix, but some of it sounds like its going to be expensive - the garage has quoted me at least £580! :o

Well I aint paying that, even if I could afford it, but I don't really want to scrap it - only had it a year. :rant:

I don't know what half of the stuff is, anyone reckon I could get this lot done cheaper?

The catalogue of disaster is as follows (serious sounding stuff in bold):

Measurements
Brakes Failures: PBT Park Brake Efficency: 7%

Reasons for refusal of a Test Certificate

001 Front windscreen wiper does not clear the windscreen effectively

002 Front windscreen has damage to an area in excess of a 10mm circle within zone 'A'

003 Offside headlamp aim too high

004 Nearside front front position lamp(s) not in good working order (not working)

005 Nearside headlamp not working on main beam

006 Nearside outer front constant velocity joint gaiter split

007 Front exhaust system has a major leak of exhaust gases

008 Parking brake lever has no reserve travel

009 Nearside rear (to caliper) brake cable locking device insecure

010 Offside rear (to caliper) brake cable locking device insecure

011 Nearside rear brake recording little or no effort

012 Offside rear brake recording little or no effort

013 Rear (filler neck/breather pipes) fuel system component insecure

014 Offside outer front constant velocity joint gaiter split

021 Parking brake efficiency is below requirements

Advisory Items

015 Nearside front brake hose slightly deteriorated

016 Offside front brake hose slightly deteriorated

017 Nearside rear tyre worn close to the legal limit

018 Offside rear tyre worn close to the legal limit

019 Rear brake discs corroded

021 Front & rear tyres different sizes



And that's your lot! :wow:

So is it really 600 quids worth? And what the hell is a constant velocity joint gaiter? :suspect:

And to think you were drivng this heap of s..t on the road.
Thank G.d for MOTs

And to think you were driving this heap of s..t on the road.
Thank G.d for Mots
I hope your car is in roadworthy condition and when the mot comes you dont have it fail and have to spend around £600 on repairs if you meet them in the street would you say
your cars a heap of sh-t :loopy:
I dont think so
buy the way 63% or cars fail there mot are all of them piles of sh-t as well:hihi:

And to think you were driving this heap of s..t on the road.
Thank G.d for Mots
I hope your car is in roadworthy condition and when the mot comes you dont have it fail and have to spend around £600 on repairs if you meet them in the street would you say
your cars a heap of sh-t :loopy:
I dont think so
buy the way 63% or cars fail there mot are all of them piles of sh-t as well:hihi:

And to think you were driving this heap of s..t on the road.
Thank G.d for Mots
I hope your car is in roadworthy condition and when the mot comes you dont have it fail and have to spend around £600 on repairs if you meet them in the street would you say
your cars a heap of sh-t :loopy:
I dont think so
buy the way 63% or cars fail there mot are all of them piles of sh-t as well:hihi:

wots going on :suspect: they say things come in 3s :huh:

I hope your car is in roadworthy condition and when the mot comes you dont have it fail and have to spend around £600 on repairs if you meet them in the street would you say
your cars a heap of sh-t :loopy:
I dont think so
buy the way 63% or cars fail there mot are all of them piles of sh-t as well:hihi:

The point I was making was that the car was danger to its driver, passengers and other road users and that if it wasn't for the MOT it would still be on the road in an unroadworthy condition.
Just read the list of faults especially the brakes.
The fact, if it is a fact, that 63% of cars fail the MOT is irrelevent in this case.
And I heard you the first time:D
Yes my car does pass the test..........I have it serviced first

. You say it MAY invalidate insurance, so it's still a grey area.
I wouldn't like to put it to the test.
Inurance companies would use the small print in the policy conditions to invalidate a claim.
The first thing an assessor looks at is the legality of the tyres even if the accident wasn't your fault.

at least you got rid of the rusty old Micra

at least you got rid of the rusty old Micra

That was the best car I ever had! :D

having a no MOT is not an endorsable offence

??

But legally, you still have to inform your insurers if you're caught and presecuted for driving without valid insurance. Its also one of the questions asked when renewing.

and doesn't driving without VED or MOT invalidate your insurance?

sounds bad but its not just brakes realy everthin else is easy to fix dont you know a local merchanic that can do it cv joints can be done whilst changing flexi pipes garage will be charging mostly for labour, parts are about 100 quid ish so proberly charging 30 to 40 quid a hour for labour depends on year and condition of car and how much you want to keep it :thumbsup:

I suspect that the original problem was sorted out some time ago one way or another.

I suspect that the original problem was sorted out some time ago one way or another.

Yep - it was scrapped months ago! :)

ironic, you live near 3 good back strt garages, and one loves his fords,