Just seen in the News that a conservative MP was suspended for sending aPoem to her friends. Problem is one of her friends sent it off to the Media.

What do you think?

1) Is this so called friend nothing but scum, for turning her friend in

or

2) This is disgracefull, it was only a Joke, Lighten up you PC Miserys

or

3) THIS IS OUTRAGOUS, THEY SHOULD LOCK THIS WOMAN UP AND THROUGH AWAY THE KEY, SHE IS OBVIOUSLY A NAZI

Well unless I can review the evidence I can't really comment..;)

Problem is one of her friends sent it off to the Media.

It was worse than that: it was accidentally sent to a Liberal Democrat. :o The sanctimonious Ed Davey MP was interviewed on the R4 PM Programme prior to the lady herself being interviewed. The more the Tories allow themselves to be backed into a corner on such issues the more clear water they'll leave to their right for other political parties.

It was worse than that: it was accidentally sent to a Liberal Democrat. :o

PMSL I just spat my coffee everywhere... :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Ahhh, now I understand. She allegedly wrote something about immigration :o
Ooops, and she said it was just a bit of FUN! and is blaming her husband :hihi:

WELL I'M JUST DISGUSTED, AS A LIB DEM SUPPORTER I THINK ITS TIME JOKES WERE BANNED

because people who tell jokes are Nazis !!! and we all know when the nazis were in charge, that freedom of speech was banned

Ahhh, now I understand. She allegedly wrote something about immigration :o
Ooops, and she said it was just a bit of FUN! and is blaming her husband :hihi:

It was what was described as a poem in an email, and it is racist. Part of the text of the 'poem' can be found here at this (shortened) link to google groups -

http://makeashorterlink.com/?T5DE12C1E

There seems to be some suggestion that if the mail hadn't been forwarded on it would have been alright. Giving the bizarre impression that racism is alright so long as you don't do it publicly and get found out!

Not an MP, but a Councillor and former parlimentary candidate:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6121646.stm


You can see a copy of the actual e-mail (if you must) by clicking a link at the bottom of the article in the Guardian, here:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1940895,00.html

It is in fact a childish doggerel verse that has been doing the rounds for some time now.

Not an MP, but a Councillor and former parlimentary candidate:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6121646.stm


You can see a copy of the actual e-mail (if you must) by clicking a link at the bottom of the article in the Guardian, here:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1940895,00.html

It is in fact a childish doggerel verse that has been doing the rounds for some time now.


I have read it seems rather offensive to me whats more the BBC news tonight said when she forawarded it she made the comment Oh Yes!!
Maybe the Lib Dem councillor did do the right thing.

MOD: Changed title to reflect reality. Had to change conservative to tory as not enough space so I hope no one's offended. Thanks.

Not an MP, but a Councillor and former parlimentary candidate:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6121646.stm


You can see a copy of the actual e-mail (if you must) by clicking a link at the bottom of the article in the Guardian, here:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1940895,00.html

It is in fact a childish doggerel verse that has been doing the rounds for some time now.


what i think is hilarious is the paper did not try to hide the email addresses in anyway, how much hate mail do you think these people got ?:hihi: :hihi:

Just seen in the News that a conservative MP was suspended for sending aPoem to her friends. Problem is one of her friends sent it off to the Media.

What do you think?

1) Is this so called friend nothing but scum, for turning her friend in

or

2) This is disgracefull, it was only a Joke, Lighten up you PC Miserys

or

3) THIS IS OUTRAGOUS, THEY SHOULD LOCK THIS WOMAN UP AND THROUGH AWAY THE KEY, SHE IS OBVIOUSLY A NAZI

This one is almost as good as this posting from you

Thanks to Global Warming, it has been a freezing cold day

1) I needed to wear a warm coat when outside
2) My car windscreen had ice on it (If its not warm enough to melt the Ice on my windscreen in Sheffield, I hardly think the ice caps are going to melt at The North Pole). This ice needed scraping aggresively I have to add


Can we now safely say that Global Warming is simply a myth, based on todays evidence? and that Tax's (sorry green taxes) don't need to be introduced
:hihi: :D :P :thumbsup: :loopy:

Not an MP, but a Councillor and former parlimentary candidate:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6121646.stm


You can see a copy of the actual e-mail (if you must) by clicking a link at the bottom of the article in the Guardian, here:

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1940895,00.html

It is in fact a childish doggerel verse that has been doing the rounds for some time now.
Childish Doggerel or not , I bet 90% of white british people agree with the contents of the poem !!!

Lester_Bigot is on quite a roll here. He'll be posting threads about Sheffield next... :D

From what I’ve read of this incident and the few words there are to describe the poem, it’s so old! I had a copy of it more than 20 years ago! I would think that by now everyone in the UK must have either seen it or read it. As for the Dover Cliffs photo, I think that too is a bit ancient, and since it’s readily available on the internet it wouldn’t surprise me if every MP hasn’t seen it and chuckled at it.

A lot of fuss over nothing, really.

From what I’ve read of this incident and the few words there are to describe the poem, it’s so old! I had a copy of it more than 20 years ago! I would think that by now everyone in the UK must have either seen it or read it. As for the Dover Cliffs photo, I think that too is a bit ancient, and since it’s readily available on the internet it wouldn’t surprise me if every MP hasn’t seen it and chuckled at it.

A lot of fuss over nothing, really.



Problem is, this lady has been suspended and so its a serious matter.

20 years ago, you could tell a joke, and thats all it was, a bit of light hearted humour

Problem is, this lady has been suspended and so its a serious matter.

20 years ago, you could tell a joke, and thats all it was, a bit of light hearted humour

I won't bother.

Whats racist about it?

I won't bother.


I was told a Joke by a female friend.... here goes

"What do men and dogs have in common?.............. the older they get the smellier they become"

Now that is a Joke aimed at men, I'm a man, am I now supposed to start kicking up a fuss, maybe report her to the police for being sexist.

NO, cause its just a bit of fun.


LIGHTEN UP !

Problem is, this lady has been suspended and so its a serious matter.

20 years ago, you could tell a joke, and thats all it was, a bit of light hearted humour

This whole thing is really pathetic. I have had a variation of this on the wall of my office at home for donkeys years and I am most certainly not a rascist. All my friends have seen it, including many black and asian people, and I have never yet had any complaints. They all treat it as a bit of a laugh, which is exactly what it is.

Whats racist about it?

You really need to ask?

You really need to ask?
You really want me to answer?

[this is the "answer a question with another question" game intit?] :hihi:

You really need to ask?



ITS A JOKE :hihi: :hihi: have a giggle like our smiling friends :hihi: :hihi:


Don't be like him --> :suspect: all suspicious or like misery guts here
->:mad:

Problem is, this lady has been suspended and so its a serious matter.

20 years ago, you could tell a joke, and thats all it was, a bit of light hearted humour

If it was just light-hearted humour, I don't think there would be any problem.
But we all know it's a simply offensive, racist doggeral.

It is reminiscent of Ann Winterton, Conservative MP for Congleton, who told a racist joke as an after dinner speaker.

Racist banter by Tory MPs and councillors is extremely damaging to the Tory party, and Cameron knows this. Hence his suspension of this Tory councllor.

If it was just light-hearted humour, I don't think there would be any problem.
But we all know it's a simply offensive, racist doggeral.

It is reminiscent of Ann Winterton, Conservative MP for Congleton, who told a racist joke as an after dinner speaker.

Racist banter by Tory MPs and councillors is extremely damaging to the Tory party, and Cameron knows this. Hence his suspension of this Tory councllor.


YOu PC lot need to lighten up.

Another thing that is worrying is that people in this country seem unashamed to grass someone up. It used to be something that you would be ashamed to do

Racist banter by Tory MPs and councillors is extremely damaging to the Tory party, and Cameron knows this. Hence his suspension of this Tory councllor.
Is he the chav-hugger?

YOu PC lot need to lighten up.

Another thing that is worrying is that people in this country seem unashamed to grass someone up. It used to be something that you would be ashamed to do

I think you should be addressing your comments to the Conservative Party leaders, don't you?

I think the important point about jokey poems, comments and plain jokes is that nowadays most people simply do not know where they ought to draw the line and, naturally, it makes them feel uneasy.

They are told that they should never make jokes about race or some people will be very offended. The joke-teller may even lose their job. But, how mild or strong the joke ? What about jokes about people from other countries? About people who are disabled or who have disabilities ? What about people who are not actually disabled but who have, let's say, an unfortunate appearance?

Nowadays, all these subjects, and doubtless others, are more or less, totally, 'verboten'.People very much feel they are ' treading on eggshells'.I'm sure that's why so many people get enraged at other aspects of P.C.What makes it all seem utterly ridiculous and petty to a lot of people is that, traditionally, British people were once famed for their sense of humour. We used to laugh at ourselves, too, believe it or not !There were loads of jokes aimed at the stiff, very correct, Colonel Blimp type of Englishmen and our famous inability to have sex.

Presumably, someone is usually a victim of humour but we used to be robust and if we were personally offended by a joke, then we could hit back at the jokester by telling an even better one against them.The thought of banning any kind of joke, years ago, would have seemed inconceivable to most people.

However, I suppose with the Nanny State in full throttle, where very "child" under the age of 18 is supposed to be a misunderstood angel and people's feelings must never, ever be hurt in case they have a psychological collapse and break out in hives, we ought to have known that jokes would come under the hammer.

By the way, did you hear about the English army officer who got lost in the jungle? Well, .............ooops...........sorry.........

Whats racist about it?

I think a better question is, whats funny about it :confused:

Surely thats something that should be answered if its claimed it was a joke.

I think a better question is, whats funny about it :confused:

Surely thats something that should be answered if its claimed it was a joke.
Good point kathythebean; yes, show us the bit that made you laugh.
Any takers?

it is however a viewpoint which seems to be shared by some and increasingly by more, whether funny or not. Personally I don't think it should have been given the publicity it has, both on here and in the wider media. The left seem keen to get it everywhere just so they can show their moral disgust at it, which seems a bit crass.

By the left, do you mean Lester_Bigot (thread starter) or the BBC?

Neither...

Still waiting to hear from someone who actually found it funny......

Good point kathythebean; yes, show us the bit that made you laugh.
Any takers?

I liked this bit
They eventually take over the whole area after white neighbours move out. The forwarded section of the email ends with the instruction: "Please send this to every British taxpayer you know," followed by a picture of the cliffs of Dover marked "**** off - we're full!"

Really made me laugh and so true as well. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I liked this bit
They eventually take over the whole area after white neighbours move out. The forwarded section of the email ends with the instruction: "Please send this to every British taxpayer you know," followed by a picture of the cliffs of Dover marked "**** off - we're full!"

Really made me laugh and so true as well. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Which bit was true?

Why should a joke be funny to everyone, or even to anyone in particular ? The person making the joke, presumably, didn't make it to make a few people on S.F.?

The whole point about this thread is surely------should people be able to crack jokes that they find funny but others find offensive-------and where do we all draw the line?

We haven't all got the same sense of humour and some people don't have any sense of humour or a very miniscule one, easily overlooked.

p.s. above should be '.......on S.F. laugh ?'

Childish Doggerel or not , I bet 90% of white british people agree with the contents of the poem !!!

Too true......

Too true......

Where do you live? Under royjames' bed?

They eventually take over the whole area after white neighbours move out. That part of it is true, that happened in the place where I was brought up.

It's a pretty boring and unfunny poem because it's so old and childish so the woman should be suspended on the grounds that she needs to grow up and forward more sophisticated "funnies". People do talk like that to one another in daily conversation at work/pub etc, it doesn't mean much it's just something that they have observed and then the bad bits are exaggerated for humourous effect which is how humour tends to work.

Where do you live? Under royjames' bed?

Oh dear, Halibut - I thought you claimed you never insulted people on here? :nono:

Do try to develop a sense of humour - you'd probably enjoy life more.

StarSparkle

I liked this bit
They eventually take over the whole area after white neighbours move out. The forwarded section of the email ends with the instruction: "Please send this to every British taxpayer you know," followed by a picture of the cliffs of Dover marked "**** off - we're full!"

Really made me laugh and so true as well. :hihi: :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Tragic, deeply tragic, on so many levels :(

Oh dear, Halibut - I thought you claimed you never insulted people on here? :nono:

Do try to develop a sense of humour - you'd probably enjoy life more.

StarSparkle

And you're wagging a finger at me? Don't assume a reluctance to festoon everything with smilies indicates a lack of enjoyment in life or an absence of humour.

And you're wagging a finger at me? Don't assume a reluctance to festoon everything with smilies indicates a lack of enjoyment in life or an absence of humour.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy in you that you're so keen to point out in others.... :)

StarSparkle

that poem has been around for a very long time :hihi: it's like the fake council one doing the rounds a long time ago I cannot see what all the fuss is about it's only a poem some people take offence to quickly the same thing happend with those cartoons

Why should a joke be funny to everyone, or even to anyone in particular ? The person making the joke, presumably, didn't make it to make a few people on S.F.?

The whole point about this thread is surely------should people be able to crack jokes that they find funny but others find offensive-------and where do we all draw the line?

We haven't all got the same sense of humour and some people don't have any sense of humour or a very miniscule one, easily overlooked.

Some interesting points raised by Fareast. I've just been slammed on another thread for telling a social worker joke that someone else (a social worker) found offensive. Indeed I was accused of joining the (social worker) 'hate brigade'. I didn't find my post joke, but then again after 30 years working as a social worker/social work manager I can tell the best social work jokes going.

But maybe that's the point. I can have a joke at my own expense, and laugh at myself in the process. But if you are the butt of a joke, maybe it's not so funny after all. This Tory councillor episode wasn't even a joke though. It was just a racist poem. And that isn't funny to anyone, surely?

This Tory councillor episode wasn't even a joke though. It was just a racist poem. And that isn't funny to anyone, surely?If some people laugh at it, it's funny to them, doesn't matter what the reason is does it? You can't laugh at something and then be told it wasn't funny by someone else because they don't think it's funny. It's not going to spark off a riot or a change in public opinion.

I was told a Joke by a female friend.... here goes

"What do men and dogs have in common?.............. the older they get the smellier they become"

Now that is a Joke aimed at men, I'm a man, am I now supposed to start kicking up a fuss, maybe report her to the police for being sexist.

NO, cause its just a bit of fun.


LIGHTEN UP !
these people cant lighten up sad & pathetic busybody,s who scream racist or sexist at every opportunity sad t****

How about if an extreme Imam is caught e-mailing a joke poem about 'burning infidels jumping from the twin towers on 9/11'? Is that funny and good?

i wouldn,t have to go & lay down in a darkened room if they did

How about if an extreme Imam is caught e-mailing a joke poem about 'burning infidels jumping from the twin towers on 9/11'? Is that funny and good?They might think it's funny but that doesn't mean it is good. We don't think it's funny (probably) because we have a sympathy with the victims as westerners . I do know that 9/11 jokes did do the rounds though and whether or not people found them funny was a matter for their consciences. Whenever there is an event there are jokes go into circulation almost immediately some of which are very funny despite being in bad taste. So what.

that poem has been around for a very long time :hihi: it's like the fake council one doing the rounds a long time ago I cannot see what all the fuss is about it's only a poem some people take offence to quickly the same thing happend with those cartoons

Almost as funny as using a young girls tragic death to try and make political capital eh, craigmason! Ha.

Should I feel guilty if I laugh at Eddie Murphy cracking jokes about "white dudes" or not ?

(I'm confused)

Should I feel guilty if I laugh at Eddie Murphy cracking jokes about "white dudes" or not ?

(I'm confused)
If you think it's funny, laugh at it.

if an mp mailed a joke about the bnp would they be suspended ? i dont think so ,in fact it would be met with howls of laughter

Was it written by Donald Hall?

If the poem had omitted the word "turban" and "Pakistan" I think there would be a lot less ground for compliant. In fact, I think there would be NO ground for complaint, as technically it wouldn't implicate any one racial group.

As it stands, the poem could be interpreted as another example of "paki-bashing", whether true or not.

And politically, that's one hot potato. Or hot samosa, depending on which side of the fence you sit.

Almost as funny as using a young girls tragic death to try and make political capital eh, craigmason! Ha.
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Where do you live? Under royjames' bed?


Excuse me fishy but who lives under my bed is my buisness,besides I bet no one lives under yours.:thumbsup:

Should I feel guilty if I laugh at Eddie Murphy cracking jokes about "white dudes" or not ?

(I'm confused)

I own both 'Delirious' and 'Raw' and find his generally derogatory remarks towards white people hilarious.

The name of the poem is 'England, My England' and has been around for at least 40 years. The one the woman sent is a shortened version.
The sentiments it includes are as true today as they were then.
It is not racialist in any fashion. It is merely a reflection of certain peoples idea of the English being a soft touch.

The name of the poem is 'England, My England' and has been around for at least 40 years.

Not so much shortened as altered.

http://www.student.brad.ac.uk/azafar1/home.html

Not so much shortened as altered.

http://www.student.brad.ac.uk/azafar1/home.html

There is a bit missing about the weather, regarding whether you washed in 'Tide' (which was popular washing powder) the answer being 'Yes too bloody cold out tide' :D

There is a bit missing about the weather, regarding whether you washed in 'Tide' (which was popular washing powder) the answer being 'Yes too bloody cold out tide' :D

Indeed there was!

http://www.demonshrine.co.uk/humour/englandmyengland.html

Indeed there was!

http://www.demonshrine.co.uk/humour/englandmyengland.html
Thats the one! It first surfaced in the sixties, and was raising a stir around the place even then I seem to recall. :hihi: :hihi:
Not my cup of tea though you will understand. :D

Good point kathythebean; yes, show us the bit that made you laugh.
Any takers?

All of it :) , and I get to read a version of it most days, only with slightly different words. Still makes me laugh even though it's been on my office wall at home for years. :heyhey:

Racist banter by Tory MPs and councillors is extremely damaging to the Tory party, and Cameron knows this. Hence his suspension of this Tory councllor.
The laugh about all this is that if he had not made a song and dance it would have gone by with no one knowing.
Instead we have all remembered a poem that was considered rascist even in the 60's and we now have it published in full on here.

The boy David is making error after error, and is showing he has the political nous of Micheal Foot. (except that Micheal is better looking and is about 20 times more intelligent than the lad)

Racist banter by Tory MPs and councillors is extremely damaging to the Tory party, and Cameron knows this. Hence his suspension of this Tory councllor.

I fail to see why it's damaging to the Tory party. 99% of their supporters will agree with it, and anyone who doesn't is hardly likely to have been a Conservative supporter to start with.

It will be damaging in the sense that by suspending this woman, the faithful may now might think Cameron is to 'soft' and 'lefty' for their tastes.

Sounds less like genuine racial offense by the complaining liberal democrat, and more like political opportunism, a chance to land an easy hit on this woman.

Perhaps after this one dies down, they will offer alternative ideas - economic and social - for running the country.
Oh sorry - I forgot, they can't do that can they - they're Liberal Democrats :rolleyes:

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We've deleted a number of off topic posts that served no purpose than to wind up a few individuals. If you want a fight please go down the pub, get drunk, and appear in front of the Magistrate in the morning. SF isn't the place.

Thanks.

I think the important point about jokey poems, comments and plain jokes is that nowadays most people simply do not know where they ought to draw the line and, naturally, it makes them feel uneasy.

They are told that they should never make jokes about race or some people will be very offended. The joke-teller may even lose their job. But, how mild or strong the joke ? What about jokes about people from other countries? About people who are disabled or who have disabilities ? What about people who are not actually disabled but who have, let's say, an unfortunate appearance?

Nowadays, all these subjects, and doubtless others, are more or less, totally, 'verboten'.People very much feel they are ' treading on eggshells'.I'm sure that's why so many people get enraged at other aspects of P.C.What makes it all seem utterly ridiculous and petty to a lot of people is that, traditionally, British people were once famed for their sense of humour. We used to laugh at ourselves, too, believe it or not !There were loads of jokes aimed at the stiff, very correct, Colonel Blimp type of Englishmen and our famous inability to have sex.

Presumably, someone is usually a victim of humour but we used to be robust and if we were personally offended by a joke, then we could hit back at the jokester by telling an even better one against them.The thought of banning any kind of joke, years ago, would have seemed inconceivable to most people.

However, I suppose with the Nanny State in full throttle, where very "child" under the age of 18 is supposed to be a misunderstood angel and people's feelings must never, ever be hurt in case they have a psychological collapse and break out in hives, we ought to have known that jokes would come under the hammer.

By the way, did you hear about the English army officer who got lost in the jungle? Well, .............ooops...........sorry.........
Blame the sad old leftie P C brigade for the miserable state of affairs mate

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Thanks.

I don't know what happened after I signed off, but I can definitely say that I was not offended by any of the remarks made at me, for one. Banter and insults are what makes a good argument.
People can say what they like. It is your own opinion of yourself that counts.
Other peoples opinions are like that of a dog barking. Meaningless.
Lighten up and smile. :D

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I've deleted your posts and a follow up. Now leave it please.