grrrrrr.:mad: last week my boyfriend was walking through town(near markets)and saw two of what he described as smack rats robbing an old lady. its so easily done.they sit watching and waiting for their prey.
it was tuesday,pension day. this female scruff approached this old lady and asked for the time. whilst she put her shopping down and her bag, to check the time,the male scrubber came behind her and slipped his hand inside her bag,taking her purse.
my boyfriend saw him do this and challenged him.the smack rat tried to leg it in the opposite direction,not banking on my boyfriend chasing him.
the silly deluded fool. my boyfriend gave chase (in his work suit i might add):hihi:
(must have looked pretty silly)half way around town. finally knowing he wouldnt catch him alone, my boyf shouted to some guys outside a pub who shoulder barged him whilst my boyfriend rugby tackled him to the floor.they held him there till the police came!:hihi: :thumbsup: :D .
the poor old lady didnt even know what had happened until she got her purse back.............. it just turns my stomach that these lazy,scruffy,scrounging,no good pieces of c**p get away with it so often. so heres to my boyfriend:thumbsup: :love: xxxxxxx

Well Done To Your Boyfriend!!!

Yes, he did well, I am grateful that there are still heros like him. :thumbsup: I'm also glad that he wasn't hurt, nor charged with assault on the thief!

that was good of your boyfriend but he might have ended up in a bad way if u know wot i mean but only the good will help well done

Well done to your boy friend. So many people have got the "look the other way" attitude although I must admit it's very worrying when you hear of have a go heros being hurt.
There is also some responsibility on the elderly (of whom I'm one) not to put themselves in that position even if it comes across as mean.
Just glad all turned out well.

It is good to know we still have heroes

pity theres so many cctv cameras in town your fela and the guys neednt have called the cops just given a shoeing most he'll get from the courts is a metaphorical slap on the wrist and chances are he'll have been released on bail 'pending futher inquireries' before your boyfriend finished work

Good on your B.F well done to him glad to hear he was not hurt I hope he and the other blokes got a few kicks in whilst no one was looking

when you see an old dear been robbed in broad day light you dont think twice do you? he can look after himself so i dont think he was worried about getting hurt.hes not a meat head though. im sure plenty of others would have done the same thing!:D

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.

Huh? :huh: :confused: How on earth can you say that? You have no idea what adversities either the OP or her friend may have had to overcome in life. Don't be so sanctimonious. And even if his life did take a turn for the worst, I bet he wouldn't stoop to stealing an elderly person's pension.

Well done to your boyfriend, Stiffmyster ... he must be a great guy.

NO turns in life can ever justify robbing an old un....I would have broke the scrotes fingers.

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.

I disagree - 'smack rats' is an appropriate term for those who will rob old people, steal from houses, steal cars and anything else they can take to feed THEIR habit and problem. You will also find that some drug addicts also come from very privileged backgrounds - the problem cuts across all sections of society.
In fact smack rats is probably a very polite term.

I am sure there are plenty of counsellors available to help them with understanding and compassion.

Pity there aren't enough prison beds for those who are caught to be incarcerated.

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.
Sounds to me like the 2 robbers were (relatively) smart & calculating on how to rob an old lady. It was premeditated not just some guy being an opportunist grabbing a bag (not that it would change my opinion of them). If they can put there heads together an form a plan to rob, why not do it for them getting themselves out of the rut they seem in ? Like seek medical advise or sometihng.

Sounds to me like the 2 robbers were (relatively) smart & calculating on how to rob an old lady. It was premeditated not just some guy being an opportunist grabbing a bag (not that it would change my opinion of them). If they can put there heads together an form a plan to rob, why not do it for them getting themselves out of the rut they seem in ? Like seek medical advise or sometihng.

What, and actually take some responsibility for doing the right thing? No, its easier to rob old people. The bleeding heart brigade need to take a good look at just who the victims are these days

Robbing old people - how verminous can you get? Lowest of the low.

It wont be the first time theve done it,nor the last. :suspect:

pepsicat do you live in the real world????:huh:
they have not had the same oppotunities as me and my boyfriend? how the hell do you know what oppertunities and hardships we have had. we have had a really hard time this last 2 years.harder than you could imagine, but i can tell you now that no matter how hard our life has been there is no way on gods earth would we rob anyone,let alone an old lady.

so dont you dare sit there and acuse me of being uncaring........!:rant: :rant:

Stiffmyster - your boyfriend is a star, don't let him forget it.

Well done your boyfriend.

But as a recovering heroin and crack addict who never turned to crime to fund his drug habit I'd really like you to stop using the term 'smackrat', please.

cheers for the support everyone. pepsicat dont know a thing about our life.we have had it tough. my boyfriend is a top bloke who suffers badly with epilepsy.this year alone he has lost numerous jobs cos of this and we are looking at losing our home too. we have a 3 year old little boy and a 12 week old baby,but does my boyfriend go out and rob pensioners??? NO!
he picks himself up and goes and gets another job.why??? to support his family.
so try to practice what you preach.:rant:


COMPASSION!

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.

YOU ARE THE REASON THIS COUNTRY IS IN THE STATE ITS IN !!!

stop mody coddling this kind of scum no one forced them to start taking drugs if they get the **** kicked out of them instead of being told "its not your fault you a junkie" maybe they wont rob old ladies

take a BIIIIIIIG reality pill and WAKE UP!!!

Stiffmyster - your boyfriend is a star, don't let him forget it.

I'll second that. He was very brave indeed! Well done to him, there are too few like him around these days......

as for the "poor little drug addict" brigade....... perhaps you'd like to donate all your worldly goods to them so they don't have to rob innocent people any more. You're all completely mad.

Well done your boyfriend.

But as a recovering heroin and crack addict who never turned to crime to fund his drug habit I'd really like you to stop using the term 'smackrat', please.
good on you!!!! well done for turning your life around but that term isnt aimed at you.its aimed at the low down dirty little rotten tomatos that rob and steal.
genuinely though good on you!:thumbsup:

just to add to other posters comments-give your bofriend a BIG pat on the back from the people of sheffield-it is so nice to know that there are still people who care,and are willing to stand up for the vulnerable.

:thumbsup:

wonder if pepsicat would have done the same?

YOU ARE THE REASON THIS COUNTRY IS IN THE STATE ITS IN !!!

stop mody coddling this kind of scum no one forced them to start taking drugs if they get the **** kicked out of them instead of being told "its not your fault you a junkie" maybe they wont rob old ladies

take a BIIIIIIIG reality pill and WAKE UP!!!
:thumbsup: im sure all agree

wonder if pepsicat would have done the same?

Probably would've turned a blind eye and muttered 'bless them' under his/her breath. :roll: How about if it'd have been Pepsicat that was robbed and given a complimentary smack in the mouth to go with it? Would we still be hearing the same sympathetic tones I wonder? :suspect:

Saying that though I'm sure Pepsicat being the good samaritan would've handed over all his/her possessions in the hope that they'd go towards making the little scrote's life a little easier. Can't have them rattling can we? :nono:

grrrrrr.:mad: last week my boyfriend was walking through town(near markets)and saw two of what he described as smack rats robbing an old lady. its so easily done.they sit watching and waiting for their prey.
it was tuesday,pension day. this female scruff approached this old lady and asked for the time. whilst she put her shopping down and her bag, to check the time,the male scrubber came behind her and slipped his hand inside her bag,taking her purse.
my boyfriend saw him do this and challenged him.the smack rat tried to leg it in the opposite direction,not banking on my boyfriend chasing him.
the silly deluded fool. my boyfriend gave chase (in his work suit i might add):hihi:
(must have looked pretty silly)half way around town. finally knowing he wouldnt catch him alone, my boyf shouted to some guys outside a pub who shoulder barged him whilst my boyfriend rugby tackled him to the floor.they held him there till the police came!:hihi: :thumbsup: :D .
the poor old lady didnt even know what had happened until she got her purse back.............. it just turns my stomach that these lazy,scruffy,scrounging,no good pieces of c**p get away with it so often. so heres to my boyfriend:thumbsup: :love: xxxxxxx
WELL DONE UR MAN I TAKE MY HAT OFF TO HIM THE SCRAWNIE XXXXXXX NEED THERE HANDS CHOPPING OFF

Well done your boyfriend.

But as a recovering heroin and crack addict who never turned to crime to fund his drug habit I'd really like you to stop using the term 'smackrat', please.

Firstly well done for kicking your habit, secondly you were a smack rat though, regardless whether this offends you or not it's true, no-one asked you to become an addict, you chose to do it so therefore you were (i say this in the past tense) a lowlife scum bag aka smack rat. I have never met a nice, honest, respectable heroin or crack head yet, obviously except the few who have come clean and stayed that way, to them well done but that still doesn't mean you weren't a smack rat. What would you prefer we call them, poor unfortunate souls who won't work, would rather rob and beg to feed their habits?

OP - well done to your boyfriend, i hope he's been spoilt rotten tonight! Sorry to hear about your tough 2 years too and well done to you all for keeping your chins up.

Firstly well done for kicking your habit, secondly you were a smack rat though, regardless whether this offends you or not it's true, no-one asked you to become an addict, you chose to do it so therefore you were (i say this in the past tense) a lowlife scum bag aka smack rat. I have never met a nice, honest, respectable heroin or crack head yet, obviously except the few who have come clean and stayed that way, to them well done but that still doesn't mean you weren't a smack rat. What would you prefer we call them, poor unfortunate souls who won't work, would rather rob and beg to feed their habits?

OP - well done to your boyfriend, i hope he's been spoilt rotten tonight! Sorry to hear about your tough 2 years too and well done to you all for keeping your chins up.
well said great post there the scum of the earth

I'm not sticking up for heroin addicts here but I think it's the term 'smack rat' that he's objecting to and the supposed lifestyle you're choosing to tar him with. Just because he was a heroin addict doesn't make him a low life scum bag as you put it tinkabel. As he said not all heroin addicts turn to crime and he's already said that he wasn't one of the types that choose to rob people in order to feed their habit. These are the types that none of us can tolerate, these are the low life scum in my opinion, but since he's kicked the habit isn't it fair to cut him a little slack. This thread isn't about him anyway. back to topic? :)

would you prefer we call them, poor unfortunate souls who won't work, would rather rob and beg to feed their habits?

How about simply heroin addicts? :)

my boyfriend and i have been discussing the term smack rat. we think its someone who would rob and steal to get their fix. just like rats forrige for their food. aka their fix.:huh:

dont think i quite explained that how i meant!!:loopy:

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.

Oh please....

Some scum like this mugged my mother years ago - my mother had no great advantages in life.

It's not a case of opportunities - it's a case of having a moral compass and following it. There is no room with things like this for moral relativism of any sort.

I've been in some VERY deep pooh owing more money than I like to think about, but theiving from little old ladies was never on the agenda.

my boyfriend and i have been discussing the term smack rat. we think its someone who would rob and steal to get their fix. just like rats forrige for their food. aka their fix.:huh:

dont think i quite explained that how i meant!!:loopy:

Don't justify it - we knew what was meant. :)

Well done to your boyfriend! Pity there's not the same TV/Radio coverage to commend acts like this as there is on the intended crime.

well done that man, its nice to know theres still some stand up men about

In fact smack rats is probably a very polite term.


Not fair on rats, they dont deserve the reputation :)

One of my best friends turned to smack (i dont associate with her anymore) and i bet she wouldn't think twice about robbing me, i know a few smack rats some who have even robbed their own family, there is no excuse for it i dont care what people say! One of the people i knew even said he didn't mind getting locked up for robbing because he didn't get long inside and it gave him a chance to see his mates!!!!! I mean, for gods sake whats going on??? He said he knew where he was sleeping every night and got 3 square meals a day!

Smack Rats seem to mean... a user of Heroin or someone influenced by it.

My opinion of the 'smack rat' is a heroin addict who chooses to rob, steal and make other people's lives hell just to feed their habit. It's a derogatory term and the scumbags deserve it.

I personally wouldn't use the term for a heroin addict who kept it to himself and had no negative impact on anyone else's life.

Forgot to say Stiffmyster, tell your bloke he's a star. If everyone pulled together and stood up for each other as one I'm sure this world would be a slightly better place. :(

Well done for standing up to scum. how anybody can justify an old lady being robbed is beyond me. Pepsicat, lets just hope its not your relative who suffers from the actions of these lowlife

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.
good heavens ,are you for real?

In this day and age, not many people would do such a heroic thing. "Well done" to your old man!! You must be really proud!:thumbsup:

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.
You are obviously "not right in the head!" This has got nothing to do with opportunities/fortune/difficulties in life, people from all walks of life end up turning to drugs, and with it generally comes crime to fund their very expensive habits. when someone you love becomes a victim of one of these drug fuelled crimes you might discover, that finding understanding and compassion is totally impossible!!:loopy:

Stiffmyster,
I did not claim to know what hardships you and your family may have endured, nor did I accuse you of being uncaring. I am truly sorry for what you have been through and I wish you well now and for the future. My point was that you do not know what has lead these people to do what they did (which was unquestionably wrong) and therefore you are labelling them unfairly.

My point was that you do not know what has lead these people to do what they did (which was unquestionably wrong) and therefore you are labelling them unfairly.

They stole an old person's money! Why do we need to know what led them to do it ... labelling them as "smackrats" seems quite fair to me, and almost gives them an excuse, as we all know that addiction to hard drugs often causes people to do even more terrible things than steal an old lady's purse.

I'd just label them as thieves, is that any better? If I were you I'd just chuck the shovel out of the hole you've dug for yourself ....

:thumbsup:

well done

well done to the bloke.....:thumbsup:
a lot would have turned the other way....
and as for the do gooder brigade...:loopy: look at this country
that's why its going down the pan

What i hate more than anything is people who have to be politically correct and stick up for fools who just think that its better to thieve than get a real job. Theres oppertunites for everyone, yes they may not get paid thousands but a honest small wage is alot better than an unhonest one. Well done to the bloke, truth be told the scum wont evan probably get a talking to by the police which is really sad.
An oap got mugged up on my shops a couple of years back, he got caught by a bunch of blokes and surrounded on a corner house garden. He got a few smacks and told whats right before the police eventually came(the bloke whod done the slapping had long gone). A couple of weeks later the scum was on the same bus as me talking to his mate, saying hed been banned from parson cross (the bus was in the middle of parson cross at the time) which then you have to ask yourself wheres the fairness in that, the oap probably wont ever go out alone again where this scum is laughing and been cocky because he got away with it. After all that just wanting to say well done and everyone should take a leaf out of his book. (rant over)

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.

I disagree: the term 'smackrat' is too polite a term for this filfth.

Anyone who can rob an old lady who is <more than likely> unable to defend herself, and I imagine scraping by on a pension is pure SCUM. In fact, they're lower than scum.

They are not worthy of the term 'smackrat'.

I personally know people who are drug users, everything from occasional users to heroin addicts and not one of them would ever consider robbing anyone. In fact most of them actually earn a living in one way or another and don't resort to pinching from defenceless old ladies.

Good on your BF Stiffy, bless him! Glad to see there are still people out there who actually care for other people.

yes same here theres no reason for it theres always honest ways to make money its the fact that its easier for them to mug someone who is defencless than get off there a**e and get a job and its people like some on here who make it like that with there "oh it must be that theyve had a bad up bringing or theres no help for them" the problem is they dont want help lots of people have bad upbringings and i aint saying that i dont feel sorry for them it must be horrible but i dont believe thats an excuse for this i dont thing theres any excuse.

It's the bloody do-gooders like pepsicat that really do my head in. If someone is caught nicking an old womans purse, chop their hands off. That'll stop 'em doing it again. Bring hanging back and the birch....let's make it hard for these buggers who think the world owes them a living and think nothing of robbing an 80 year old grandmother or nicking a poppy sellers takings to fuel their obnoxious habits. It's about time we got to grips with these lowlifes and made them realise that the punishment WILL fit the crime. No more ASBO's and slapped wrists....a bloody good beating! Let's see how they like that.

And remember, if you don't do anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about.

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.

At first glance I thought that this particular post was a wind up. But if it isn't... for goodness sake pepsicat, have a look at reality. The people who did this are not poor unfortunates who haven't had cuddles and hugs at the right time. They are scum of the earth who are wanting money to feed their drug habits. No matter how desperate or how unfortunate I became I would NEVER EVER resort to stealing from a pensioner. They took a concious decision to carry out a well rehearsed plan, it wasn't a spur of the moment thing borne out of desperation. Until we bring their miserable lives to an abrupt halt they, and people like them will continue to steal from the elderly, the ill, the infirm, infact anyone who isn't in a position to give them the leathering that they so richly deserve.

Well done to your boyfriend first and foremost, if id have caught them I dont think I could've refrained from giving the scum a good shoeing to be honest!

Pepsicat you dont deserve the acknowledgement if you cant see what this filth does for society. "Smackrats" isnt harsh enough in my opinion. Anyone caught for stuff like robbing a pensioner should get the Saddam treatment. Get real and take a look at reality stop trying to be politically correct, noone should stick up for these lowlifes.

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing- I hope that life never takes a turn for the worse for you or that you find yourself in a difficult place in life, if it ever does you may wish for peoples' understanding and compassion rather than their judgement and refusal to acknowledge your humanity.
What planet are you from ? stifmysters BF did are brave and praiseworthy thing these scumbags deserve everything they get. The wet liberal, handwringing appologists are making it easy for them. Attitudes like yours are pervading our justice system resulting in zero deterant and making this kind of unacceptable life style an easy option for the dregs of society. It is not acceptable and there are no excuses or justufication for stealing an old ladies purse. It's not societies fault and the lowlife scum don't deserve our consideration at all, just retribution.

Stiffmyster,
I did not claim to know what hardships you and your family may have endured, nor did I accuse you of being uncaring. I am truly sorry for what you have been through and I wish you well now and for the future. My point was that you do not know what has lead these people to do what they did (which was unquestionably wrong) and therefore you are labelling them unfairly.

he's an idea pepsicat how about you concentrate on your spanish lessons your latin dancing but one day come down from your ivory tower see real life, drug related crime is on the increase not beacuse people are makiing it easier for druggies willing to steal for their habit but they will steal off anyone and go to any lengths to get their next fix


in closing

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE

Shame this thread has changed to the "lets nail pepsicat" thread.

it is a shame AJ but lets face it anyone would have done what stifftymyster's fella would have done but when they are told to look at it from the smackrat's point of view needs their head examining

it is a shame AJ but lets face it anyone would have done what stifftymyster's fella would have done but when they are told to look at it from the smackrat's point of view needs their head examining

Some people are just to trusting and nice, they have misplaced compassion. Whats happening now is everyones taking the easy option and turning on pepsicat instead of trying to understand his/her reason for showing this junkie so much compassion.
As I said before in my other post on this thread I would have broke the scrotes fingers, I hate crimes against old uns with a passion.

Has Pepsicat posted since the first do gooding post? :suspect:

EDIT: Sorry, just noticed he/she has. Ignore this post please. :)

Some people are just to trusting and nice, they have misplaced compassion. Whats happening now is everyones taking the easy option and turning on pepsicat instead of trying to understand his/her reason for showing this junkie so much compassion.
As I said before in my other post on this thread I would have broke the scrotes fingers, I hate crimes against old uns with a passion.

Could it possibly be that it's precisely down to attitudes like pepsicat's that we have such rampant crime, disobediance and total lack of respect. We all have the same opportunity for education when we're young. Some choose to either not go, or to completely ignore the teachers. These same people are not taught discipline and respect at home and refuse to learn it at school. Then when they're older they won't get a job, they expect society to look after them and they think they can take whatever they want. They then get over involved in drugs, usually through their own choice and need more money. So they then beg or steal money to get the drugs. Having a poor or dysfunctional family life in no way condones stealing from the elderly, and in my opinion, once they reach that level they have given up the right to be on the same planet as me. It's time the bleeding heart Liberal folks took a step back and let the right thinking part of society clean up the mess that they're helping to create.

I totally agree with you matey, but I wont start bigging myself up by lambasting pepsicat.

cheers for the support everyone. pepsicat dont know a thing about our life.we have had it tough. my boyfriend is a top bloke who suffers badly with epilepsy.this year alone he has lost numerous jobs cos of this and we are looking at losing our home too. we have a 3 year old little boy and a 12 week old baby,but does my boyfriend go out and rob pensioners??? NO!
he picks himself up and goes and gets another job.why??? to support his family.
so try to practice what you preach.:rant:


COMPASSION!
Well said!! Well done to your fella! Hope things start to pick up for you, with the jobs and home situation. Good Luck to you both (and the little ones!) - Lisa:thumbsup:

I'm not sticking up for heroin addicts here but I think it's the term 'smack rat' that he's objecting to and the supposed lifestyle you're choosing to tar him with. Just because he was a heroin addict doesn't make him a low life scum bag as you put it tinkabel. As he said not all heroin addicts turn to crime and he's already said that he wasn't one of the types that choose to rob people in order to feed their habit. These are the types that none of us can tolerate, these are the low life scum in my opinion, but since he's kicked the habit isn't it fair to cut him a little slack. This thread isn't about him anyway. back to topic? :)



How about simply heroin addicts? :)

I did say past tense, in my eyes any heroin addict is a smack rat, regardless of how they pay for their next fix! Would you trust any heroin/crack addict? I for one would not, i wouldn't give them the time of day, they are pure scum, they choose to do that to their bodies, would you like to think you worked with some scabbed up smackhead? What kind of employer employs someone with a heroin habit? It's not like a cannabis habit or even a cocaine habit which can to some extent be hidden or forgiven as a hangover, heroin is needed more often, the affects last longer and you can spot a smackhead a mile off. I stand my ground he was a smack rat, like any heroin addict is.

i dont think people are getting at pepsicat i think there getting at the people with that attitude in general which i was. im fed up with hearing people make excuses for them. its the the same with the teenage thugs who hang around on street corners waiting for a fight or chucking stuff at buses, amount of times iv heard that "well if they werent bored they wunt do it" and "its how they must have been brought up with there family life", and "if there was somewere they could go for fun they wouldnt do it". bulls**t theres hundred of kids that cant afford to do stuff, yet not all of them get in trouble its the fact that there just little s**ts who havent been taught a lesson and life is to easy for them. When it comes down to it its the way society and the police are run and how they always have people to stick up for them thats the problem. if there was harsher punishments and jail wasnt like a fun camp that would be a start.

It's obvious that the current laws aren't working - lots of heroin is imported, sold and used every day, despite it being one of the most outlawed substances ever. Those hopelessly enslaved to it evidently stop at nothing to get money for a fix, and because street heroin costs a lot they cause a lot of misery financing their habit. It would be nice if addicts were to man up, endure the hideous withdrawl symptoms and lose their habit but this is the real world and they're not going to do that. Heroin isn't going to go away and there has to be a better way of managing it than what happens currently.

I really think we should give addicts free heroin on the NHS - surely it's better to pay addicts for sitting in their rooms, high as a kite and bothering no-one, than have them wandering the streets leading a life of petty criminality? It would also free up the police to deal with more serious crimes and starve the drug barons of income, which are both Good Things...

Yeah well done to your boyfriend, shame there aren't more like him! :thumbsup:

Presumably those who lambast smackheads, also lambast those who are violent and irrational when drunk?

It never fails to amaze me that smackheads are seen as the scourge of society, yet 'Dave Shirtboy' who likes to kick people's heads in when he's drunk, gets off on that classic social loophole "he's a smashing bloke usually - he's only like that when he's had a drink"

Just an observation.

"Just an observation."

And a rubbish one at that. How many people really love violent and drunken yobs? Well, to my knowledge, none.

Oh and I still dont think a drunk would rob an old lady of her purse would they.

"Just an observation."

And a rubbish one at that. How many people really love violent and drunken yobs? Well, to my knowledge, none.

Oh and I still dont think a drunk would rob an old lady of her purse would they.

A rubbish one in your opinion.

It shows how truly naive you are if you think that people who kick off when they are drunk are not often excused simply because 'they have had a drink'.

cheers for the support everyone. pepsicat dont know a thing about our life.we have had it tough. my boyfriend is a top bloke who suffers badly with epilepsy.this year alone he has lost numerous jobs cos of this and we are looking at losing our home too. we have a 3 year old little boy and a 12 week old baby,but does my boyfriend go out and rob pensioners??? NO!
he picks himself up and goes and gets another job.why??? to support his family.
so try to practice what you preach.:rant:


COMPASSION!
i think you are lucky to have such a boyfriend .not many will keep on going when is life being hard to them.i believe that one day something great will happen to you.if you do good ,you can get back only good .

Huh? :huh: :confused: How on earth can you say that? You have no idea what adversities either the OP or her friend may have had to overcome in life. Don't be so sanctimonious. And even if his life did take a turn for the worst, I bet he wouldn't stoop to stealing an elderly person's pension.

Well done to your boyfriend, Stiffmyster ... he must be a great guy.

Well said ... most drug users come from respectable families with good opportunities in life, yet they choose to live as they do. I speak from personal experience ... my mum was addicted to heroin, died at 29, left 3 kids. She had a very decent upbringing yet choose heroin over all that's good.

Wll doneStiffmyster's boyf!

Your boyfriend did a brave thing, but perhaps you would think twice about your use of the words 'smack rats' for these people who almost certainly have not had a life with the same opportunities as you or your boyfriend - if they had been more fortunate they probably wouldn't be doing what they were doing.
the guy did good & those who helped.
we all have choices to make in life and if you make the wrong one's, you pay the penelty.
those two " smack rats " have chosen that lifestyle no-one chose it for them.
i have not always been in the position i'am in now and have known severe hardship ,even at one point had to sleep rough because of the choices i made, but even at my lowest ebb i drew the line at mugging old ladies .
personally i would have given him a pasteing cctv or no cctv

"It shows how truly naive you are if you think that people who kick off when they are drunk are not often excused simply because 'they have had a drink'."

Who said I was excusing them, they're also a scurge but if you cant see that smackheads are the lowest of the low then im not going to argue.

"It shows how truly naive you are if you think that people who kick off when they are drunk are not often excused simply because 'they have had a drink'."

Who said I was excusing them, they're also a scurge but if you cant see that smackheads are the lowest of the low then im not going to argue.

Fair enough.

Personally, I equate a smackhead stealing a handbag no worse than a p*sshead kicking seven shades out of an innocent bystander.

They can all be found lurking in Pandora's Box.

Fair enough.

Personally, I equate a smackhead stealing a handbag no worse than a p*sshead kicking seven shades out of an innocent bystander.

They can all be found lurking in Pandora's Box.
surly the drunk townie has an aggresion problem then, or is a violent person.
i drink but i dont beat people up because of it,
i see about 5 smack heads a day scurrying round,and lets say those five have to make 50£ a day off crime,,it just doesnt compare to the odd drunken fight.

i think you are lucky to have such a boyfriend .not many will keep on going when is life being hard to them.i believe that one day something great will happen to you.if you do good ,you can get back only good .
cheers for that! i really hope so.:thumbsup:

I'll second what redbee says and say that if ever I have a senior moment and leave myself vulnerable, I would hope that there is someone like your BF around to come to my rescue....good on him:thumbsup:

surly the drunk townie has an aggresion problem then, or is a violent person.
i drink but i dont beat people up because of it,
i see about 5 smack heads a day scurrying round,and lets say those five have to make 50£ a day off crime,,it just doesnt compare to the odd drunken fight.

That all depends on your point of view. I am sure not every smackhead robs people (although I should state for the record that the actions of the two concerned in the OP were terrible)

Any drug in the wrong hands is a bad idea, be it heroin, crack or alcohol.

Heroin addicts seem to be instantly demonised, where as drunken oafs are considered as having a certain joie de vivre.

Anyway, its home time!

well done to your boyfriend :hihi: !!! my partner was working on a building site last week and the police pulled up and asked him and his mates where the lads were who they had found stealing stuff , they didnt know what they were on about , they found out later the site down the road had caught 2 lads taking things out of the cabins so the builders tie wrapped the lads to the fencing spreadeagled waiting for the police to take em away .... i would have loved to have seen that

I find Pepsicats logic extremely worrying. Following it through it would be pretty much okay for me to do anything, as there would always be something that had caused me to do it. Sorry no matter how bad life has been , I cannot see any reason to mug an old lady. Well Done to your boyfriend.

Well done to your b/f. Hope he broke the ******** fingers. There's no need for this sort of thing, even if they are heroin addicts. I had a friend in Leeds who got onto smack, but he managed to hold down a full time job and paid for his habit just like he paid for anything else. he ended up in jail for growing cannabis ironically, and died of pneumonia a year or so after he came out. Drugs eh?
My point is, he wouldn't have nicked off an old lady, or anyone else. There's no need. He worked, just like anyone can. Jesus, there are thousands of people with smack habits who manage to lead normal lives. These robbing scum would be robbers whatever they were on. The smack is just an excuse.