This club has a good fan base don't you think.

yes they do, we Sheffield WEDNESDAY (sorry but come on!) have a great fan base and we always have and always will have a higher attendance than Sheffield United.

We are just the better club- maybe not at the moment in terms of talent but in terms of spirit we are!

well said pal , i have this debate with loads of blades at work. swfc have and always will have a bigger following than them, go back 50 years or so and compare attendances and u will see its always been the same. bigger club, enough said.

but the fan base is more swaying towards the lane now unnited are being more succesful

kids will always follow how is doing better, thats why weds have had the better over the last uyears

:rolleyes: Please write out Wednesday 1000 times (but not on here) :D

United may have a 'better' team at the moment, but not for much longer. And the reason the fans dont go is because theyre bored of watching Warnock shouting at his players to hit the ball long all match.
THe difference between Wednesday and United is the Blades are at their peak now - Wednesday are a Premiership team in waiting.

must resist urge ...

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Naah, urge too strong to resist!! ;)

IS that why wednesday are in the "2nd division" and not the 1st or the prem? ;)


You get the huge numbers @ hillsboro' because you do "friend for a fiver" or "Kid for a Quid" tickets.

My nephew has been given two lots of free tickets to go to hillsboro' in the last school year.

(NB, I come from a "mixed faith" family, half are from the red, the other half come from the blue side of town)

PT

...just finished this off while I'm sat here working late on a Saturday night been meaning to do this for a while for me and some mates. Might be a big canvas but'll probably be some A2 posters - bit skint.

Pretty much shows how much I love the club.

http://www.atkp71.dsl.pipex.com/misc/stencil-swfc.jpg

mr Jingles,

Even as a blade, I have to say, that is a nice piece of artwork!

You're selling them, yeah?

I might like to get one for my owls-supporter boss! PM me with info pls?


PT

Cheers.

If I can get a mate to print me a load off I'll probably try and sell some, I'll let you know either way.

Ta.

Originally posted by Plain Talker

You get the huge numbers @ hillsboro' because you do "friend for a fiver" or "Kid for a Quid" tickets.


Erm, try telling that to however many thousand were there today, full paying adults mainly.

I don't think there was a single special offer that i knew of today also.

Perhaps this is because the expectations for Wednesday to succeed this season have the fans flocking to Hillsborough, the win today at home will help this continue for this season also.

To say any club is bigger or more successful is just a pointless exercise, you will always get the other side saying the opposite, and you can't expect any blade or owl to give an unbiased opinion (thus my own favouritism for Wednesday distorts my impression of SUFC).

After all, lets face it, every club has it's ups and downs and at the moment SUFC are in a higher division. For how long this will continue to last you never know, just the same as when Wednesday were a fairly respectable side in the premiership. To look at Wednesday now and you can't fail to see the difference.

What makes me more proud to be an Owl is what I saw today, Hillsborough filled with 20000+ people (I think, though yes some were Huddersfield fans). Not bad for a second division side, eh?

In something as faltering as football, the bigger side is never easy to say.

Wilf

Originally posted by DanStanMan
United may have a 'better' team at the moment, but not for much longer. And the reason the fans dont go is because theyre bored of watching Warnock shouting at his players to hit the ball long all match.
THe difference between Wednesday and United is the Blades are at their peak now - Wednesday are a Premiership team in waiting. Oh please stop my sides are splitting Premiership team in waiting.HAAAAAAAAAAAA

This is just another thread from Wendy fans who need to slip away from the fact they are in league one (Div 2 in old money) so they have to dig deep to bring up some petty argument to try and make them feel better.

Mod: Before you all get going let's not turn this into a slanging match (even with a pseudo comedy angle.. blunts, wendys, etc) or the thread will just get closed. Thanks. :thumbsup:

i dont think the fact that swfc have always had bigger crowds relative 2 there league status than sufc is even up 4 debate itsfact. check your rothman football books end off story, up the owls

Originally posted by brooksy
i dont think the fact that swfc have always had bigger crowds relative 2 there league status than sufc is even up 4 debate itsfact. check your rothman football books end off story, up the owls

Did I deny thad SWFC had bigger crowds? No I didn't, but just had to point out what I thought was something that Owls fans were bringning up to try and get one up on United. Let the football and results do the talking.

I also don't live in the past reading old football books for past results to use against others.

For the mods: Refrained from using Wendy, just a force of habit. Will try to cut it down:D :thumbsup:

Originally posted by DanStanMan
United may have a 'better' team at the moment, but not for much longer. And the reason the fans dont go is because theyre bored of watching Warnock shouting at his players to hit the ball long all match.
THe difference between Wednesday and United is the Blades are at their peak now - Wednesday are a Premiership team in waiting.


well as for warnock shouting at his players?? does it not work,

attendances have gone up since he took over!!1
i remember going to see last game in charge by adrian heath, we lost 3-1 and there was under 10,000 people there, so to get the following we do now shows great work done by warnock and the board

sheff utd reached there peak? how you work this out il never know, we entered the transfer market this summer and signed 7 new players, all of good origin and great potential,

and wednesday a "premiership" team in the waiting, well can any wednesday fan realistically say this (and i dont mean unless we start calling league one the "premiership")
it saddens me cause weds have loyal supporters, but they have to watch such abysmal football

if you notice that attendances at united have suddenly gone up since they began to improve in terms of success and wednesday went below them????

hmmm doesn't that strike you as odd???

Originally posted by ianmitchell
if you notice that attendances at united have suddenly gone up since they began to improve in terms of success and wednesday went below them????

hmmm doesn't that strike you as odd???


im not quite sure what your getting at with that fella

If you'd have gone to the game on Saturday against Huddersfield, I don't think you'd have called it abysmal football mate. I watched United on Friday and I am sorry but I thought they were worse than us and will achieve mid-table status this season, maybe slightly above but you can forget about Premiership!

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
im not quite sure what your getting at with that fella

well the fact that you do not have as many loyal fans as sheffield wednesday do....

You all seemed to flock to the Lane and proclaim how much a loyal fan you are now that you are the bigger team in success.

Wednesday will always be the bigger club. We were the first of the two clubs in Sheffield, We've won more major honours,We've played in European competition (I don't think UTD have) We've got a bigger fan base, a bigger stadium. Yes united are doing really well at the moment but your still only in the 2nd/1st/Championship division. Sooner or later Wednesday will overtake you and be back in the top flight.

We are on a big downer at the moment and as such even if we finish top of the league this year, it'll still be our seventh worse year ever, not bad for a team thats been around for 113 league years. Overall record

Top flight 69 seasons (61%) 2nd Division 37 seasons (33%) and 3rd division (6%)

United Top Flight 62 Seasons (55%) 2nd Division 43 Seasons (38%), Third Division 6 seasons (5%) and outrh Division 1 season (1%).

Overall i think this proves that while united may be the more succesful club at the moment, Wednesday are the bigger club. If we want to go into cups and chmapionships we can do but i'm sure wednesday will win on that to.

Originally posted by kelly_owls
If you'd have gone to the game on Saturday against Huddersfield, I don't think you'd have called it abysmal football mate. I watched United on Friday and I am sorry but I thought they were worse than us and will achieve mid-table status this season, maybe slightly above but you can forget about Premiership!


well from what the terriers manager said, there keeper only had the goal to save............

and as for our performance, it was a great performance. to go down to 10 men away from home after 16 minutes and still come out victors, i think that says a lot, we had a solid performance from our back and we was still dangerous on the break

Originally posted by CaptainSleep
Wednesday will always be the bigger club. We were the first of the two clubs in Sheffield, We've won more major honours,We've played in European competition (I don't think UTD have) We've got a bigger fan base, a bigger stadium. Yes united are doing really well at the moment but your still only in the 2nd/1st/Championship division. Sooner or later Wednesday will overtake you and be back in the top flight.

We are on a big downer at the moment and as such even if we finish top of the league this year, it'll still be our seventh worse year ever, not bad for a team thats been around for 113 league years. Overall record

Top flight 69 seasons (61%) 2nd Division 37 seasons (33%) and 3rd division (6%)

United Top Flight 62 Seasons (55%) 2nd Division 43 Seasons (38%), Third Division 6 seasons (5%) and outrh Division 1 season (1%).

Overall i think this proves that while united may be the more succesful club at the moment, Wednesday are the bigger club. If we want to go into cups and chmapionships we can do but i'm sure wednesday will win on that to.


Now Captain Sheep, you FINALLY seem to be a man who actually knows what he is on about (not sure where you got those details from, but i do like them)


you state sooner or later you will be better than us, well yes this may be true, but how soon is a good case?? if it is say 20 years before u become a better team than us, your fan base will have gone down, and go over to bramall lane (would that make us the bigger club cause we then got bigger attendances?)

if say we won the league cup fa cup and league this year, average 10,000 more, get a benefactor like abromavich and sign some great players??? would this make us a bigger club?? wednesdays fans would say "no" so what exactly do we need to do to become the bigger club in your eyes?

we could go on about how you have won more, and your attendances to say your in league one/div2 nobody is really debating that, but the fact remains, we are the better team now, we are a league above, we have more clout in signing players than you do, so obviously players are seeing us a better prospect then wednesday, so if the players (and they are the ones who make clubs) decide that we are a better option, wud that not make us a "bigger" club

Originally posted by ianmitchell
well the fact that you do not have as many loyal fans as sheffield wednesday do....

You all seemed to flock to the Lane and proclaim how much a loyal fan you are now that you are the bigger team in success.


how many years have wed been out of premier league?

how many have united??

do the maths son,

Yawn... Blades - well balanced footy fans - a chip on each shoulder ;)

Well as we all know, there are only 2 games that every fan in Sheffield remembers...

1979 - Boxing Day
1993 - Semi Final day

Anyone care to recall the scores? :P

Originally posted by Tony
Yawn... Blades - well balanced footy fans - a chip on each shoulder ;)

Well as we all know, there are only 2 games that every fan in Sheffield remembers...

1979 - Boxing Day
1993 - Semi Final day

Anyone care to recall the scores? :P

yet another fan living in the past

bless ya cotton socks :-D

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
how many years have wed been out of premier league?

how many have united??

do the maths son,

how many years have wednesday been in the premier league?!?! :P:P:P:P

Originally posted by ianmitchell
how many years have wednesday been in the premier league?!?! :P:P:P:P


deary me....... this is really the kind of response i do expect from a wednesday fan,


thats why it was such a refershing change to hear from captain sheep

what i was refering to (which u dont seem to get) is that united have been out of the top league for 11 years now,
this is probably the reason why fans got disgruntled and showed they was not happy with the feet

wednesday, have been out 4 years now

let the novelty set in fella

you do not seem to have got, deary me fella, is how many years we have been in the top flight as opposed to how many years you have been in.

Btw I wouldn't really call myself much of a wednesday fan actually, I have just been raised to support sheffield wednesday and I will defend my team.

Originally posted by ianmitchell
you do not seem to have got, deary me fella, is how many years we have been in the top flight as opposed to how many years you have been in.

Btw I wouldn't really call myself much of a wednesday fan actually, I have just been raised to support sheffield wednesday and I will defend my team.


i do appreciate how many years weds have been in compared to united

i was pointing out the fact......... actually forget it *bangs head against wall*

As a Sheffield United fan there is a small part of me that feels sorry for Wednesday. Last season you missed out on relegation by 3 points which isn't good is it. Your board seem to have totaly mismanaged the club and you have got Ken Bates sniffing around.
How much are Wednesday in debt at the moment, the last I heard it was about 20 million.
Over the last 20 years United have had a series of crooks and asset strippers running the club. We have come through it. We have one of the best youth systems around and it is starting to pay off now. We no longer need to sell our best young players to keep the club afloat.

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head there carcrash.

Dave Allen (I believe) has the best intentions, but I think he wishes he had never got involved. It would be VERY easy for him to throw in the towel, maybe relocating the club to Owlerton Stadium (which could handle the ground and training facility) in the process to make a few quid.

A friend of mine owns another club and the fans there think he's a God, but they had VERY low expectations from the past. Football is very fickle, and ultimately it was the short lived 'player power' that caused the demise of many viable businesses, and the problems we see today.

Wednesday on the other hand have VERY high expectations and are (whether Blades like it or not) still one of the biggest clubs in the land, never mind Sheffield. United have always been a generally mediocre side, whereas Wednesday have enjoyed the heaven and hell of glory or disaster!

Wednesday will come through it once again to glory :), but they will probably be back down in the far future too :(.

If it was up to me, I would bite the bullet and ground share at Don Valley.

a lot of owls fans come from Barnsley -Rotherham -Doncaster,that is why attendances have always been higher for the owls.The Blades are mostly Sheffield based as they should be.I have lived in Barnsley for 25 years & the amount of kids with owls shirts on is unbelievable I ask them why don't you support your local team & they say the owls are a bigger club.All I can say is glory seekers as I do not think any of the above teams have a cat in hells chance of being a club the size of the owls & achieving what the owls have done in the past.I have been a Blades fan for 41 years & I have seen all the ups & downs the club has gone through,debts of around £6 million in the 70s & bad investing ,but we sorted our finances out & are building for the future as I hope the owls will do as i would like to see the Blades & owls in the premiere league because I am sick of the like of Leeds being shoved down our throats for the last 30 years.UP THE BLADES

Originally posted by Tony

If it was up to me, I would bite the bullet and ground share at Don Valley.

don valley would make an excellent ground for rotherham, although some of it would need to be modified
ie roofs for all parts of the ground, the problem with weds or united using it is i believe only 25,000 seater stadium
and weds got 26,000+ on saturday, and sheffield united sometimes get that (this sunday will be one of them times)


also..... you talk about dave allen,i think he has done a lot of good for weds, but what i dont like about him, is that he goes on about how he has put all this money in to the club, he never stops telling people, but he never mentions the fact most of it is just a loan and all the money is coming back to him when the sale of the training ground goes through

You're absolutely right about Don Valley, but it was always designed to be expanded quickly so that the roof you see today goes all the way around, with expanded seating to match. I drove past the Reebok Stadium earlier today, and even that reminds you about how much stadium facilities have come on in the lat 10 years. Remember when Hillsborough was the best ground after Wembley? It's starting to look a bit of a dump now, only 15 years later.

Anyway, when Sun International get their hands on it they may well buy Wednesday and put them in place to make sure that they have lots of 'light nights' next to the casino.

I agree with Tosh's comments regarding Wednesday's bigger outside of the city fan base, and it doubtless makes a difference to the attendance figures. As a Blade I too am pleased that United are sorting out their financial problems [and like Tosh I hope the Owls do too]. However, I find it hard to envisage when either club will have the financial capital to be able to get to the Premier. Even if United manage to get there, would they be able to stay there? The big clubs like Man U and Arsenal are like Multi-national giants, and it is all about money. Look at Warnock's relatively tiny budget...United and Wednesday are like corner shops trying to compete with global companies.
Tosh refers to the Red and Blue sides of the city. Can we really talk of such things? I would love to see a breakdown of the respective fan bases in geographical terms. I am aware of a study in 1997 conducted by Sheffield Hallam University ["Sheffield Divided Or United?", I think it was called], which suggested that Wednesday enjoyed more middle class, as well as working class support and their fan base was more inclusive, i.e contained more ethnic minority supporters, females etc and was seen as a "family" club. Conversely, United were associated with young, white males according to respondents. Without going into the deficits and pitfalls of field research, I don't accept the findings as accurate. What about Blades support in Dore and Totley? Hardly working class areas. As for the "side of the city" argument [no offence intended , Tosh], I originally come from Wincobank which is nearer to Hillsborough than the Lane and [at least when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s] is historically a United enclave alongside nearby Brightside, Firth Park, Shiregreen and Darnall. I wonder if there are any historical reasons why certain areas are predominantly one or the other, aside from geography?

Sorry, it was Plaintalker who referred to "sides of the city" re Owls and Blades not Tosh.

Originally posted by timo
Sorry, it was Plaintalker who referred to "sides of the city" re Owls and Blades not Tosh. Ok T I will let you off this time LOL

the biggest fan base in the region i would say!

Bernard Manning is bigger than Homer Simpson, but that don't make him funnier.:rolleyes:

Yeah yeah yeah, bigger fanbase blah blah blah.

What does that matter now? You've got huge debts, a naff team, a naff manager and you're in the old division 3. Your board also wants to see to it that you don't even own your training ground. How long will it be before Hillsborough goes up for sale?

It's swings and roundabouts in football my friends. Bigger fanbase doesn't mean a thing.

I suppose, ultimately, you are correct AG . There is no disguising Wednesday's dire predicament. I wonder how long their crowds will continue to eclipse United's if the Blades just manage to climb into the Premiership, and Wednesday languish in the Coca -Cola Thanks-For-Coming Division for a couple more seasons? It might just shut that wretched brass band of theirs up at least.

i just wanna bring up a few facts to this one people

this is taken from the 99-2000 seaon, 5 years ago

and i know a lot of you will say things have changed since then, ie weds being in div 2 etc

Attendances:

Sheffield Wednesday: 24855
Sheffield United: 13717

thats an 11,000 gap just over

now lets take the average from the games that are starting this year

Sheffield wednesday: 23185 (not a bad decline at all)
Sheffield United: 21542 (not bad to say we are still in the same league)

now if it goes the same over the next 5 years.......

Sheffield Wednesday: 21515
Sheffield United: 29367

Now Lets work it out in percentage of ground filled,
something that united are beating weds on currently

Currently Stands at

Sheffield Wednesday: 58.1%
Sheffield United: 69.6%

with the new attendances, it would stand at

Sheffield Wednesday: 53.97%
Sheffield United: 96.7%

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNITED

Its Definately Sheffield Wednesday. I Live in London, And as far as I know, Sheffield United don't have a London based Supporters club.

Up The Owls!!!

well I had my birthday treat, tonight...

the good old Blades, what did they do?

4-0 against "mucky" l**ds, away at l**ds.

three points:- thank you so much!

Yaaaaaay!

PT

Originally posted by Robbie_Lovin
i just wanna bring up a few facts to this one people

this is taken from the 99-2000 seaon, 5 years ago

and i know a lot of you will say things have changed since then, ie weds being in div 2 etc

Attendances:

Sheffield Wednesday: 24855
Sheffield United: 13717

thats an 11,000 gap just over

now lets take the average from the games that are starting this year

Sheffield wednesday: 23185 (not a bad decline at all)
Sheffield United: 21542 (not bad to say we are still in the same league)

now if it goes the same over the next 5 years.......

Sheffield Wednesday: 21515
Sheffield United: 29367

Now Lets work it out in percentage of ground filled,
something that united are beating weds on currently

Currently Stands at

Sheffield Wednesday: 58.1%
Sheffield United: 69.6%

with the new attendances, it would stand at

Sheffield Wednesday: 53.97%
Sheffield United: 96.7%

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNITED
a few weeks back, it went :
SWFC Average Att 2005 - 23009
SUFC Highest attendance - 22850

Also, not our fault we have a huge ground. Our fans will fill it soon. We got 29860 against Donny, so if we go up, we should be hitting that mark much more often, I'll assure you of that.

Originally posted by Madref1
Its Definately Sheffield Wednesday. I Live in London, And as far as I know, Sheffield United don't have a London based Supporters club.

We may not have an official Supporter's Club in London but try telling the London Blades they don't exist- I'm sure they won't be too pleased! We also seem to have gathered quite a following in Norway, who were treated to that win last night.

When will W*dn*sd*y realise that a bigger crowd isn't going to win you the league?

There's only one team in Yorkshire ;)

There is a simple answer to this -

At the moment sheffield united are the bigger club!!!

Easy peasy, they have better players, play in the better league, and have better finances- simple!!!!

Im not saying its going to stay like it- but at the moment every word of that statement is undenyably true.


End of story.

You ain't got the better manager though dude.

I think the only way to say who has the better manager,when 1 of them gets promotion,no doubting Sturrock is a good manager,Southampton were really stupid letting him go ,but the Owls have a better manager than the last 1 Chris who.UP THE BLADES

Aye Turdner was **** for us. Proof??? Where are Stockport now?

Love him or hate him, you can't dispute that Warnock has a fantastic promotion record. He's done well for United too, not many managers would be able to achieve anything with a club like ours without money.

Ain't denying it, he's a great manager but i can't stand him!
I know many-a United fan that don't go to the games nomore purely because of him. I reckon that's daft though personally, I'd not DREAM of doing that for my team.

Originally posted by kelly_owls
Ain't denying it, he's a great manager but i can't stand him!
I know many-a United fan that don't go to the games nomore purely because of him. I reckon that's daft though personally, I'd not DREAM of doing that for my team.

no- yours just do it cos of the chairman.

As a neutral fan, I have to say I see more Wednesday shirts about than United.

Wednesday have more fans. They seem to think we cry ourselves to sleep because of this.

i've been selling DVD's of the famous boxing day massacre.

Advertised on owls chat,and other wednesday forum's........

also on e-bay,wher i've sold loads.

they are £3.50 each and a pound for postage.

the dvd shows all the goals from the BDM....and the 'match of the day' highlights from the return game,on easter saturday 1980.
Includes a hilarious interview with Terry Curran and Tony Kenworthy.

Dvd includes other footage of the BDM as well.

pm me if you are interested...or e-mail

deanprez@hotmail.com

still some on e-bay.........check my feedback it's 100% and some great comments from wednesdayites.



cheers

Is the 'Tuesday April 5th 2005' massacre out on video yet deanprez?:D ;) :hihi:

I've still got the vid of the day the scum went down and united went up from 1990? maybe 91. Complete with those wonderful reactions from the wednesday fans when they thought they were safe after one of the radio stations gave out the wrong score ( was it hallam?).

Originally posted by Madref1
Its Definately Sheffield Wednesday. I Live in London, And as far as I know, Sheffield United don't have a London based Supporters club.

Up The Owls!!!


Thats why there is a LONDON BLADES website and all that ...Well over 50 Blades living darn sarf in the London area

Regards CanadaBlade

Bramall Lane Massacre 3-1 should have been 10 if not for who ate all the pies Pressman

Originally posted by carcrash
I've still got the vid of the day the scum went down and united went up from 1990? maybe 91. Complete with those wonderful reactions from the wednesday fans when they thought they were safe after one of the radio stations gave out the wrong score ( was it hallam?).

GOD I REMEMBER THAT!!! BRILLIANT!!! HAAHAAHAA!!!

Originally posted by canadablade
who ate all the pies Pressman Legend. I remember when you guys tried to sign him.