What should we have as our National Anthem God save the Queen or Jerusalam or what would you like to be our National Anthem?


Take down The Union Jack-Billy Bragg

Don't we get any other choices?

8) yes you do

I think it should be Land of Hope and Glory. That's what they used for the commonwealth games.

Billy Connolly suggested we should use the Archer's theme tune.
Alternatively bring back the original. Verse 6 was:

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the King!

Nowt wrong wi the Union Jack my friend... a symbol of strength and power! Or at least it was! Now it's a symbol of 'come on in free loaders... take our benefits'!:lol:

Here Here, D.B. that is dead right, anything but God save the Queen would be stupid. We need the stability of the royalty and all our traditions. Also, you are right about giving our hard earned wealth away to scroungers from all over the world, it should be stopped. NOW.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Nowt wrong wi the Union Jack my friend... a symbol of strength and power! Or at least it was! Now it's a symbol of 'come on in free loaders... take our benefits'!:lol:

Yes I agree, I dont have anything against people coming for a genuine need of care or escape, but im sure there are some which are taking tax payers for having "Mug" stamped on their foreheads!:x

Rule Brittania is probably the best choice. It's the most lively, positive tune (Hope and Glory like God Save is really slow and old), and is very patriotic.

I personally like Land of Hope and Glory too. Many moons ago Frank Bruno used to make his ring entrances to this and God Save the Queen on the odd occasion. I liked this it showed that he was a very proud man.

Originally posted by halevan
Here Here, D.B. that is dead right, anything but God save the Queen would be stupid. We need the stability of the royalty and all our traditions. Also, you are right about giving our hard earned wealth away to scroungers from all over the world, it should be stopped. NOW.


I was wondering when the tone of the thread would start on a whinging session about scroungers.....from abroad...how about aoo of them in this country....I recently discovered that my landlord has never paid tax on the rent me and my partner paid and she is not of ethnic origin!!!!

Originally posted by Miss_60
I was wondering when the tone of the thread would start on a whinging session about scroungers.....from abroad...how about aoo of them in this country....I recently discovered that my landlord has never paid tax on the rent me and my partner paid and she is not of ethnic origin!!!!


fyi

I think you can get £4,000 p.a. in rent before declaring it for tax.

Originally posted by maxt
fyi

I think you can get £4,000 p.a. in rent before declaring it for tax.
LMAO... nice on maxt!

Originally posted by halevan
Here Here, D.B. that is dead right, anything but God save the Queen would be stupid. We need the stability of the royalty and all our traditions. Also, you are right about giving our hard earned wealth away to scroungers from all over the world, it should be stopped. NOW.
Hard Earned Wealth? ROFL

Britains Wealth was largely appropriated from foreign countries.

As for a national anthem - how bout Blue Monday by New Order?

Or Titties and Beer by Frank Zappa.

Both of which are certainly more appropriate than a song begging a non-existent deity to shore up a walking anachronism.

The same could be said about a lot of countries National Anthems Phanerothyme. The thing is the National Anthemk is also there to represent tradition.

I once read you weren't from the UK is that correct? Does the National Anthem of your native country give a true representation of modern society within it's shores? I doubt it! Don't slag of my countries traditions mate!

What tradition am I slagging off?

The fact of what our National Anthem represents. Offering those songs as a more 'realistic' National Anthem is p*** take IMO and one I don't appreciate. There are a lot of things about my country I may dislike, but having you take the p*** is something I don't appreciate!

Especially when a comment such as that is directed without a thought of how the rest of the worlds National Anthems fair against the society of their shores!

Originally posted by DaBouncer
The fact of what our National Anthem represents. Offering those songs as a more 'realistic' National Anthem is p*** take IMO and one I don't appreciate. There are a lot of things about my country I may dislike, but having you take the p*** is something I don't appreciate!

Especially when a comment such as that is directed without a thought of how the rest of the worlds National Anthems fair against the society of their shores!


You still haven't told me which tradition I am slagging off

Maybe you should have a few less bottles of 'breakfast' DaBouncer - =P

The reason I chose the songs I did is because I think they are appropriate.

I chose 'Titties and Beer' by Frank Zappa, because it's a great song everyone can sing along to and because, to judge by our media, it's what were most interested in as a nation - sex and alcohol.

I chose Blue Monday, because whicever way you look at it, it's as British as they come (unlike the Royal Family) and its a brilliant piece of music.

I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings, but those are my suggestions.

A few less bottles of 'breakfast'... and what's that then?

Yes I feel that your comments are a p*** take and you may feel that as a nation sex and alcohol are what this country represents but so do a lot of others.

The tradition you are slagging of pal is the one that's embedded into the hearts and souls of the majority of the country and that is what our National Anthems represents. The words may not echo the voices of the nation these days, but it IS a link to the past and when played brings together the country unlike any other song.

Before you start offering your 'suggestions' for the change in our national anthem, go and have a look at YOUR native countries national anthem and see if there are changes you could make there first!

On official occasions, only the first verse is usually sung, as follows:


God save our gracious Queen!
Long live our noble Queen!
God save the Queen!
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the Queen.


The second verse is only sung occasionally:


Thy choicest gifts in store
On her be pleased to pour,
Long may she reign.
May she defend our laws,
And give us ever cause,
To sing with heart and voice,
God save the Queen.

Originally posted by maxt
fyi

I think you can get £4,000 p.a. in rent before declaring it for tax.


she's always had cash from every idiot who has lived in her house.....and has renting it for years fyi

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Before you start offering your 'suggestions' for the change in our national anthem, go and have a look at YOUR native countries national anthem and see if there are changes you could make there first!

erm...er...this thread started with:

Originally posted by Jon
What should we have as our National Anthem God save the Queen or Jerusalam or what would you like to be our National Anthem?


Take down The Union Jack-Billy Bragg

DaBouncer, am I missing something, or isn't suggestion for different national anthems what this WHOLE THREAD is about?

Jon's suggestion by Billy Bragg is one, mine are two others.

You talk about this thing - 'Tradition', not individual traditions (like the changing of the guard, cockfighting etc.).

What is this Tradition?
originally posted by DaBouncer
tradition ... is the one that's embedded into the hearts and souls of the majority of the country and that is what our National Anthems represents.
I can see how this is going to go:
me What is this tradition?
dabouncer It is embedded in peoples hearts and souls.
meWhat is embedded?
dabouncerTradition.
meWhat is this tradition?
dabouncer It is embedded in peoples hearts and souls.
etc.

Can you actually tell me clearly what I am slagging off and how I am doing it please?

[edits to get quotes right]

YOU ARE SLAGGING OFF THE TRADITION (THAT BEING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM AND THE WORDS THEREIN) BY OFFERING PATHETIC SONGS IN IT'S PLACE THAT ARE NOTHING BUT A P*** TAKE AGAINST BRITISH SOCIETY.

You said use the song Titties and Beer in replacement of God Save the Queen. Can you not realistically see how this is going to offend British people who actually care about the NAtional Anthem?

And I'm not on about anyone else suggestion, I'm on about yours!
The whole thread may be about changing the National Anthem, but is your mind so small that it cannot conceive how someone such as me would be offended at changing 'God save the Queen' to 'Titties and Beer'?

Before you slag off mine... slag off your own:
Swedish National Anthem
Ye free, ancient country

Ye high mountained north

Ye silent and free

and so delightful

We greet you as loveliest

land upon earth

Your shining sun, your sky

Your pastures green

(repeat previous two lines)



You rest on your memories

of days great and past

When all round the world

your name was honoured

I know that you'll always remain

the way you were

In my own Nordic land

I'll live forever

(repeat previous two lines)
(http://www.copcity.com/anthems/sweden.html)

Originally posted by DaBouncer
The same could be said about a lot of countries National Anthems Phanerothyme. The thing is the National Anthemk is also there to represent tradition.

I once read you weren't from the UK is that correct? Does the National Anthem of your native country give a true representation of modern society within it's shores? I doubt it! Don't slag of my countries traditions mate!

The National Anthem represents Britain as it was years ago.....things have moved on significantly since and we need to change the lyrics if not the music to represent Britain in the 21st Century

Originally posted by Miss_60
The National Anthem represents Britain as it was years ago.....things have moved on significantly since and we need to change the lyrics if not the music to represent Britain in the 21st Century
I'm sorry, why do we NEED to do this?
How does God save the Queen not bare any resemblence to 21st Century Britain?
Unless of course you DON'T want GOD to save the Queen.
A sweeping statement like that offers no construction whatsoever.

If a national poll was taken about the anthem I would bet that over 70% of the UK would want the National Anthem and Lyrics to stay just as it is!

Yes I feel that your comments are a p*** take and you may feel that as a nation sex and alcohol are what this country represents but so do a lot of others.

The tradition you are slagging of pal is the one that's embedded into the hearts and souls of the majority of the country and that is what our National Anthems represents. The words may not echo the voices of the nation these days, but it IS a link to the past and when played brings together the country unlike any other song.

Before you start offering your 'suggestions' for the change in our national anthem, go and have a look at YOUR native countries national anthem and see if there are changes you could make there first!

[i]On official occasions, only the first verse is usually sung, as follows:


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Oh my. I had you down as being quite a reasonable person, DB, but this hasn't been. Phanerothyme lives here - I don't know how long for, and don't think it's relevant - and has a right to his opinions about these things.
You're right, it is a bit of a p***take, but one of the best things about this country is it's irreverent sense of humour and ability to see past pomp and laugh at ourselves.
Before you start on me being an incomer, I'll state right here that I was born in the US and one of the reasons I was so pleased to move away was because people were so uptight about their anthem and their flag and their pledge of allegiance and their loyalty that they were happy to give up their freedom and individuality to kowtow to it. It seems a majority of them will do anything or agree to anything if someone tells them it's for the 'freedom of their country'. Which is ignorant and dangerous.

Take a deep breath, have a laugh about it. God Save the Queen isn't going anywhere. But it's a giggle to look at other possibilities.
(And if it makes you any happier, this 'alien' used to sing the words to God Save the Queen in the states whenever forced to sing My Country tis of Thee (exact same tune). )I'm proud of Britain. Too many people do it down. But then again, I don't want us to turn into a land of brainwashed sheep afraid to say the wrong thing, either.
So there
:P :lol:

I think I'll go and drink a bottle of Godfrey's Cordial and write the new British National anthem....

some time later
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
[fade]

Originally posted by DaBouncer
I'm sorry, why do we NEED to do this?
How does God save the Queen not bare any resemblence to 21st Century Britain?
Unless of course you DON'T want GOD to save the Queen.
A sweeping statement like that offers no construction whatsoever.




If a national poll was taken about the anthem I would bet that over 70% of the UK would want the National Anthem and Lyrics to stay just as it is!


The above is definately a sweeping statement:

Thank you Cosy, point noted.
Maybe some of our American cousins have a point about the sanctity of their national anthem.
What's the problem with loving your own country and respecting the national anthems that represents it?

I don't think we are 'brainwashed sheep' just for wanting others to respect OUR national anthem too.;)

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I think I'll go and drink a bottle of Godfrey's Cordial and write the new British National anthem....

some time later
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
We are the champions,
[fade]
LOL... now that I like!;)

Originally posted by DaBouncer
YOU ARE SLAGGING OFF THE TRADITION (THAT BEING OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM AND THE WORDS THEREIN) BY OFFERING PATHETIC SONGS IN IT'S PLACE THAT ARE NOTHING BUT A P*** TAKE AGAINST BRITISH SOCIETY.
{takes out earplugs}
I would say that musically God Save the King/Queen [delete as applicable] is utter doggerel, a ponderous, dirge with no vitality or vigour. it really is pathetic. Tragic even.

Frank Zappa's Titties and Beer on the other hand is an audio feast that flips through genres and movements with a rapid fire vocal track telling the story of a pact with the devil that goes badly wrong (for the devil). Quite stunning tune.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
Thank you Cosy, piont noted.
Maybe some of our American cousins have a point about the sanctity of their national anthem.
What's the problem with loving your own country and respecting the national anthems that represents it?

I don't think we are 'brainwashed sheep' just for wanting others to respect OUR national anthem too.;)


JEEEEZZZZZ..........why get so het up over a bloody song.....

We could try something along the line of the Texas State anthem
'Texas our Texas, all hail the mighty state, Texas our Texas, so wonderful, so great.' - a real acheivement - so bombastic, so lacking in finesse...:o :lol:
England, our England, all hail our mighty land
England, our England, so fabulous, so grand...etc.
Hmm...has promise:lol: :lol:

It's gonna seem a little bittersweet now but I was actually just having Phanerothyme on. I don't actually care what the National Anthem is (I only learned what the words were in 1999...when I was 21). Although I am patriotic to my country I am by no means attached to the bloody song!

But you all believed I was... thanks for the entertaining morning folks.... it's passed it along pretty well.

I will have to check out that Titties and Beer song Phanerothyme, I'll search for it later!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Originally posted by DaBouncer
It's gonna seem a little bittersweet now but I was actually just having Phanerothyme on. I don't actually care what the National Anthem is (I only learned what the words were in 1999...when I was 21). Although I am patriotic to my country I am by no means attached to the bloody song!
You touched on some interesting topics though-

what is a tradition?
what is Tradition
is it always good?
how do things start and stop being traditional

- and that's what I meant about too many bottles of breakfast...you were behaving like you'd got up started drinking heavily this morning, all self righteous like.

Tradition = 2 cups of coffee every morning, 1/2 a bottle of wine on worknights, a ciggie greak when it all starts kicking off...
and falling for wind-ups on the b****y internet!!!:lol: :lol: :lol:

You a bad lad DB:P

I suppose you're right Phanerothyme, what is tradition and should it be a facto in today's society?
Before we get to in depth on the topic, maybe this should be another thread... would you like to do the honours?

And yes Cosy, I AM a bad lad
:twisted: ;)

:lol: Be still, my beating heart...:lol:
We like bad boys.:lol:

I've been considering this subject lately. I think when the Queen, bless her, pops her clogs, it would be a good time for a change.

I really like the idea of Blue Monday myself, as long as it's the 12 inch version with that great intro.

I think We Will Rock You by Queen would be great too, really get you in the mood before a big international match in football.

Snook,

The site going offline was allegedly for technical reasons.
Now we realise that it was for you to trail back through all these old threads!!!!

Originally posted by cgksheff
Snook,

The site going offline was allegedly for technical reasons.
Now we realise that it was for you to trail back through all these old threads!!!!

Indeed it was. I have been finding there to be a distinct lack of interesting threads of late, and so I've been digging into the past. Nothing wrong with that is there? :D

Absolutely not!

In these politically correct times how about this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JowxtK-oIGE)?