what is being a goth all about. i'm sure it's not just about sitting on the townhall steps sulking or hanging out in grave yards banging on about how anti-establishment they are. please, any goths out there let us know.

what is being a goth all about. i'm sure it's not just about sitting on the townhall steps sulking or hanging out in grave yards banging on about how anti-establishment they are. please, any goths out there let us know.

Sounds like you have far more problems than they do !

Nope its not really about either of those things, but some of the munchkin types seem to think it is!!

I could be classed as a goth but as I've grown up I've stopped dressing so extreme etc. I think its more to do with the music you listen to and your view on life. I for one have never really been angsty or acted depressed because its "what goths do".

If this means then I'm not a true goth then I could just be classed as plain old "wierdo":hihi:

Sounds like you have far more problems than they do !
i'm not havin a go at anyone. just giving an example of the stereotypes surrounding them before you get on your highhorse.:loopy:

What makes me laugh is there saying of not wanting to conform to society and be an individual.

Makes me wet myself laughing they all wear black and act all miserable they have the best uniform and set of rules to abide by than any other social group I know and they have the cheek to call us clones

Gothic subculture has always had a certain pejorative quality, maintained more by visceral teenage angst and a need for social identity than a fondness for the works of Horace Walpole.

The ubiquitos 'Goth' whom one can observe dragging their feet down Division Street every Saturday afternoon is nothing but a by product of a sad stereotype. It should therefore be noted that wearing a Fields of the Nephilim T-Shirt and thinking you are a re-incarnation of brandon lee does not make you a goth.

It makes you a ****.

Gothic subculture has always had a certain pejorative quality, maintained more by visceral teenage angst and a need for social identity than a fondness for the works of Horace Walpole.

The ubiquitos 'Goth' whom one can observe dragging their feet down Division Street every Saturday afternoon is nothing but a by product of a sad stereotype. It should therefore be noted that wearing a Fields of the Nephilim T-Shirt and thinking you are a re-incarnation of brandon lee does not make you a goth.

It makes you a ****.


Thats brilliant - sums up just what I was trying to say earlier but you have much more grace with words!!!:)

Nope its not really about either of those things, but some of the munchkin types seem to think it is!!

I could be classed as a goth but as I've grown up I've stopped dressing so extreme etc. I think its more to do with the music you listen to and your view on life. I for one have never really been angsty or acted depressed because its "what goths do".

If this means then I'm not a true goth then I could just be classed as plain old "wierdo":hihi:

For me, its as much about a way of life as it anything else, its the music I listen to (bauhaus, siouxie, FotN, The Mission, 13 Candles, Sisters etc etc), the clothes I wear (and I have to say, I tend to dress in more period clothing than just the "mopey" goths and EMOs your see in town) its a lifestyle choice and tends to make the "older" style of Goths more polite generally, more accepting of society and more friendly to those around them.

Don't be put off by strange clothing and makeup, you can never tell a book by its cover.

Gothic subculture has always had a certain pejorative quality, maintained more by visceral teenage angst and a need for social identity than a fondness for the works of Horace Walpole.

The ubiquitos 'Goth' whom one can observe dragging their feet down Division Street every Saturday afternoon is nothing but a by product of a sad stereotype. It should therefore be noted that wearing a Fields of the Nephilim T-Shirt and thinking you are a re-incarnation of brandon lee does not make you a goth.

It makes you a ****.

lmao, spot on.

Meroveus - I agree with you on that one. On the whole the older goths do tend to be much happier and polite. I have always managed to strike up conversations with more goths/alternative types who are a little older than me, anybody who is my age tends to either be emo or so "up themselves" with really elitist attitudes.

I am only 25 (26 on Hallowe'en) and very friendly and non-mopey!

Whilst I dont dress as a goth the whole of the time I still think of myself as being alternative (in dress sense, music choice etc).

Interesting posts .My son is a goth he's wicked , love him to bit's wouldn't change a thing about him he's cool . Moping about no chance he doesn't stay still long enough .

By the way my son's initials are ( RIP) .

I could've been a Goth, a lot of people've told me I look good in black over the years :D

I used to work with this Goth lass called Sam a few years ago, and she was well nice :love: too young for me though, she's only just turned 21 and I'm 30 :(

well im a goth (well no surprise there then lol) and i dont think there's a big difference between us and other people. It's a fashion and sometimes a belief.

I personally dont know what i believe but i do think i look good in gothic dress.

It's not really about anything, its about the person.

But i don't like being classed as a goth by people who assume its about sulking lol.

arent goths stereotyped to like want to kill all chavs though?

yes, stereotyped. it is only the extreme goths who want be be more "goth" that do that. It's not that they have anything against chavs, they just have to raise a partician to big themselves up a bit.

I say live and let live

i totally agee with you. i have many goth friends and many chav friends but they insist on not being friends but worst enemies even though they do not know each other. them just being from a different 'group' is enough to seperate them

i think it is pathetic. I have a friend who insists on being an idiot.

He says things that make him sound stupid, utterly.

I won't go into it because if he finds out he'll kill me, but lets just say, he tries far too hard.

enough said! lol. a goth friend of mine actually went 'chav bashing' as they say in meadowhall the other week with some of her friends. they didnt actually hit anyone but just stared at then and gave them dirty looks!

Gothic subculture has always had a certain pejorative quality, maintained more by visceral teenage angst and a need for social identity than a fondness for the works of Horace Walpole.

The ubiquitos 'Goth' whom one can observe dragging their feet down Division Street every Saturday afternoon is nothing but a by product of a sad stereotype. It should therefore be noted that wearing a Fields of the Nephilim T-Shirt and thinking you are a re-incarnation of brandon lee does not make you a goth.

It makes you a ****.

Sorry, I've only just read your post mikebayly........are you perhaps the illegitimate son of timo? :hihi:

No offence intended to either of you, BTW! :hihi:

I could've been a Goth, a lot of people've told me I look good in black over the years :D

I used to work with this Goth lass called Sam a few years ago, and she was well nice :love: too young for me though, she's only just turned 21 and I'm 30 :(

We wish her well in her continuing good fortune, Rich! :hihi:

My partner's 16yr old niece is a Goth (and her older brother was for a short while). She looks stunning in her black dress, black long coat, black eye shadow and dyed black hair.

Her parents are exceptionally tolerant of her, and realise its only a phase she's going through. Mind you, I think they were Punks in their time, just like I was Rocker in my time - and in my youth I knew folk who were Mods, and even Teddy Boys! :rolleyes:

Now we all had fashion trends and types. Remember Teddy Boys ? Its just young people expressing themselves. Do they still wear deep purple lipstick ?

Now we all had fashion trends and types. Remember Teddy Boys ? Its just young people expressing themselves. Do they still wear deep purple lipstick ?

I think the Teddy Boys stopped wearing the deep purple lipstick in 1955 when they were conscripted in the Army to fight EOKA in Cyprus........at least my elder brother left his at home! :hihi:

i have been termed as gothic for a while it doesnt bother me as for being morbid or morose nothing could be further from the truth

i miss my black carlton estate when myself and nemi used to get out of a long black car dressed in black we were known as the adams family we used to love it

I used to get the adams family theme tune sang to me at school.

As for the stereotype that goths never smile - as if!

I think the Teddy Boys stopped wearing the deep purple lipstick in 1955 when they were conscripted in the Army to fight EOKA in Cyprus........at least my elder brother left his at home! :hihi:


I did word that wrongly didnt I ? :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

I wear black clothes, boots covered in metal and studs, listen to some gothic music , but mainly metal and rock.
Does that make me a Goth? :P I think not.

and I only mope about when I'm in rainy Wales and not in Sheffield visiting my boyfriend! :suspect:

I personally dont know what i believe but i do think i look good in gothic dress.


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Heh heh. I'll let someone else explain it.

Dam, should have expected this in a imageless desert like this forum.

TTIUWP = this thread is useless without pictures.

I'll get my ankle length black leather coat then.

Sorry, I've only just read your post mikebayly........are you perhaps the illegitimate son of timo? :hihi:

No offence intended to either of you, BTW! :hihi:

Alas not!

My garrulous ramblings aren't a patch on our esteemed friend.

I fear Timo is the Maradona of worldplay, and I am merely the spotty oik who cleans his boots.

Alas not!

My garrulous ramblings aren't a patch on our esteemed friend.

I fear Timo is the Maradona of worldplay, and I am merely the spotty oik who cleans his boots.

No, Mike. You are a gifted and witty wordsmith whom I have come to respect.

I prefer old skool goth - the vampyric variety, but I suppose that's coz I'm old :roll:

I remember being goth as being individual, not looking the same, finding something somebody else didn't have and wearing it to death :P

The uniformity of the current batch of gothlets disappoints me :(

*winds cobweb sleeves out of the way of keyboard*

Ha! Goths...

wannabe ninjas. They wear face paint and smell of joss sticks.

1 Grandmaster Ninja with a single smoke bomb, a handful of poisoned rice and a samurai sword could take out 2 goth villages within minutes.

Simply awesome.

Agreed. Ninja is the new goth, hence my inclination to wander round town in full shinobi shozuko garb. Goddamn that'd be cool if it was true.

What music would a ninja listen to?

Ninja like shamisen and koto music.But I heard a Ninja once flipped out and took an old mans head clean off, because he had a radio turned on...

Awesome.

Ha! Goths...

wannabe ninjas. They wear face paint and smell of joss sticks.

ahem.... really?

My partner's 16yr old niece is a Goth (and her older brother was for a short while). She looks stunning in her black dress, black long coat, black eye shadow and dyed black hair.

Her parents are exceptionally tolerant of her, and realise its only a phase she's going through. Mind you, I think they were Punks in their time, just like I was Rocker in my time - and in my youth I knew folk who were Mods, and even Teddy Boys! :rolleyes:
It would seem they're blissfully unaware that some people never grow out of it.

Anyway Goths are no sillier than any other any other youth subculture and to my tastes at least nowhere near as unpleasant as sloanes, ganstas, chavs and whatever people into ‘bling’ culture are called.

As for them being miserable that’s nonsense I had some fantastic nights at Rock City with a few Goth mates I had back in the early 90s where so far as I could tell most people seemed to be having fun. For some reason you see quite a lot of Goths at Ceilidhs and they seem to enjoy themselves as well.

i personally hate goths. i feel sick when i see them. their dress, make up, shoe wear and everything about them just makes me feel sick! Whats the point looking like THAT!

i personally hate goths. i feel sick when i see them. their dress, make up, shoe wear and everything about them just makes me feel sick! Whats the point looking like THAT!

i take it your a chav then?

i take it your a chav then?

how the hell does that make me a chav?LOL:loopy:

how the hell does that make me a chav?LOL:loopy:
You have an irrational hatred of goths which is widely regarded as a characteristic of chavs.

"I hate myself and I want to die"

What is it with these Eric Draven wannabees and the barstardization of that Lithium induced song?

Surely living in a 6 bedroom house in Dore cant be that bad.

i personally hate goths. i feel sick when i see them. their dress, make up, shoe wear and everything about them just makes me feel sick! Whats the point looking like THAT!

What's the point in looking like you? I have no idea what you look like but I bet I'd puke all over you if I met you :loopy:

Goths don't seem to bother anyone, do they , don't they keep to themselves ?

i personally hate goths. i feel sick when i see them. their dress, make up, shoe wear and everything about them just makes me feel sick! Whats the point looking like THAT!


Truely narrowminded. A great example of the view of us from without, as I said previously, its a shame you don't seem to be prepared to look beyond the clothing and makeup.

Underneath the clothes, we're just like you (suprise suprise). You are entitled to your view, but it might be worth actually talking to your fellow sheffielder, rather than dismissing them out of hand.

I always figured gothies had inadequacy issues... Hence the extroverted appearance. "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I EXIST..."

I agree with that other dude, gothies look straight ridiculous. (so do Chavs) Some subcultures just lack sophistication and style. Unlucky.

I guess a gothie would say the same about me...

But they would be wrong. Ha! Pwned.

i personally hate goths. i feel sick when i see them. their dress, make up, shoe wear and everything about them just makes me feel sick! Whats the point looking like THAT!

gee.. thanks...

then again i doubt i have to worry about being insulted by someone who feels they must have the word "penis" on their avatar.

Let people be and stop discriminating. You don't need to feel sick when you see people wearing something different to you do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

I always figured gothies had inadequacy issues... Hence the extroverted appearance. "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, I EXIST..."

I agree with that other dude, gothies look straight ridiculous. (so do Chavs) Some subcultures just lack sophistication and style. Unlucky.

I guess a gothie would say the same about me...

But they would be wrong. Ha! Pwned.

the way i dress is nothing to do with look at me i exsist, being behind all that make up gives me a confidence i don't otherwise have.

People who are randomly ridiculously biased against specific groups annoy me more. Well, them, and chavs.

I just like looking cool and evil sometimes. Would love to be able to afford a proper goth/metal outfit - two in fact, I'd have one sort of antiquarian, dandyish outfit, and one with a big trenchcoat to look like I should kill vampires / be a vampire and probably have a naginata tucked about my person.

im sorry if i offended anyone i shouldve kept my comments to myself. i was just trying to say i hate the dress sense and makeup. i 100% understand that dress etc. has nothing to do with a persons personality etc end they are just like any other human being. SORRY

What's the point in looking like you? I have no idea what you look like but I bet I'd puke all over you if I met you :loopy:

im not being big-headed or anything but my shoes probably cost more than your whole outfit. i wear only designer or quality clothing/shoewear, dont get me wrong im not saying that makes me a better person than anyone else but some people have a high priority of taking care of their appearance and i happen to be one of them, unlike some people who smell of **** and are dressed in rags which havent been washed in ages (probably like u).

im not being big-headed or anything but my shoes probably cost more than your whole outfit. i wear only designer or quality clothing/shoewear, dont get me wrong im not saying that makes me a better person than anyone else but some people have a high priority of taking care of their appearance and i happen to be one of them, unlike some people who smell of **** and are dressed in rags which havent been washed in ages (probably like u).

lol!!!! i once heard 2 12 year old boys having an argument in the school playground. One said "i bet my shoes cost more than your whole outfit" the otherone said "we you're a mug then aren't you, can't spot a bargain? What a shame"

Hah, he spends vast amounts of money on clothes so he must be good. My opinion is completely reversed. Incidentally, gothic clothing can also be incredibly, ridiculously expensive. That's why I don't have any, and try not to spend more than 5-10 pounds on any single piece of clothing. There are more important things than clothes in life to be honest. Like saving up for houses... and... um, guitars and combat sports equipment...

my shoes cost me £125
One of my dresses cost me £60
The other cost me £55
My top cost me £40 and the matching skirt cost around that too.
My make up costs me around £30 if i was to buy the lot in one go.
Most of my t-shirts have been £10 or more each.

So yeah it can also be expensive.

Are you still saving up for the £400 corset then GC? ;)
£500 frock coat?
I see you already have the New Rocks ;)

im not being big-headed or anything but my shoes probably cost more than your whole outfit.

You see what you did there? You contradicted yourself in the first line and thus lost all credability...actually you did that with your first post in this thread.

I bet you're a lovely person really.

Actually scratch that you're probably not.

I think you're actually about 9 years old. GothicCharm was spot on in her analysis of your age.

i personally hate goths. i feel sick when i see them. their dress, make up, shoe wear and everything about them just makes me feel sick! Whats the point looking like THAT!



Truely narrowminded. A great example of the view of us from without, as I said previously, its a shame you don't seem to be prepared to look beyond the clothing and makeup.

Underneath the clothes, we're just like you (suprise suprise). You are entitled to your view, but it might be worth actually talking to your fellow sheffielder, rather than dismissing them out of hand.


Oh come on now. Admit that this pleases you! It's comments like this that help strengthen the idea of being the outsider - a crucial ingredient in the goth subculture. Goths thrive on the idea of being on the edge of the norm, having "different" values, etc. Why else would they ponce about Meadowhall staring out "chav" kids? It's not just about wearing black - ask a New Zealand rugby player.

i'll just say this about my clothes i look DAMN good in black and i looked unbelievable in my halloween costume :thumbsup:

What I think is interesting about the Goth Fashion and that's all it is, just another fashion subculture, is that it's hung around so long. Historically, teenagers are rebelious, goths are anything but that. It's as radical as dressing in teddy boy gear. It is so retro and yet so persistant at the same time.
A goth poster earlier mentioned the music he liked, which if he's under 25, it was made before he was born. Mind you just about all current music sounds like it was made 25yrs ago anyway. Boring!

Oh come on now. Admit that this pleases you! It's comments like this that help strengthen the idea of being the outsider - a crucial ingredient in the goth subculture. Goths thrive on the idea of being on the edge of the norm, having "different" values, etc. Why else would they ponce about Meadowhall staring out "chav" kids? It's not just about wearing black - ask a New Zealand rugby player.

there we go. a total stereotype.

I'm a goth, and i don't "ponce" about meadow hall as you so nicely put it and I don't "stare out the chav kids" I go about my shopping without surprise surprise caring what other people are doing. I'm jsut like everyone else except I like to wear black and feel confident thus the make up. Yes it does break me up from other people and thats what i like about it, it makes me feel more myself. We don't all look the same cause we all do the make up and eyeliner in our own way.

But thanks anyway for rolling us all into one and that :)

We don't all look the same cause we all do the make up and eyeliner in our own way.

But thanks anyway for rolling us all into one and that :)
Actually by dresing in a very specific way, whether a Goth, Chav or another fashion type, you are conforming to a set of rules and being a visual stereotype. Slight difference in make up/dress is only relevent to those obsessed by that style, no-one else will notice or care.

Well no offense but in order to "hate" us they obviously care a hell of alot more than i do

I love goth girls. :love:

Well no offense but in order to "hate" us they obviously care a hell of alot more than i doNo they don't care in the slightest about the slight differences. They only notice the overall look and dislike that.
Just like you may say dislike wearing non-black gothy clothes, they dislike gothy clothes. You wear what you do simply because you prefer that look and more often than not because your mates do, usually because you have shared values and tastes. And clothes are an overt way of displaying your tastes, as evidenced by the muppet earlier, when he mentioned buying only expensive, designer label stuff.

No they don't care in the slightest about the slight differences. They only notice the overall look and dislike that.
Just like you may say dislike wearing non-black gothy clothes, they dislike gothy clothes. You wear what you do simply because you prefer that look and more often than not because your mates do, usually because you have shared values and tastes. And clothes are an overt way of displaying your tastes, as evidenced by the muppet earlier, when he mentioned buying only expensive, designer label stuff.

actually i've only seen my friends wear black once or twice lol.

But the difference is, i like to wear black, and dont care what anyone else wears, but some people share the fact they dont like you and decide they dont like anyone wearing that fashion.

Well they're tossers.
Most people dress like their friends. Unusual not too. Tribal stuff.
I didn't, so my friends used to always make fun of my unusual clothing. Even if on occasions, they liked it.

Yeah I got that alot, but they nipped it in the bud after i gave them my evil eye ;)

There is something very alluring about a well styled gothic lass, agreeing with Chris_sleeps here

theres a well fit goth girl in the crap remake of tainted love!! i wouls start listening to suze and her banshees for that girl!!!!!

Gothic subculture has always had a certain pejorative quality, maintained more by visceral teenage angst and a need for social identity than a fondness for the works of Horace Walpole.

The ubiquitos 'Goth' whom one can observe dragging their feet down Division Street every Saturday afternoon is nothing but a by product of a sad stereotype. It should therefore be noted that wearing a Fields of the Nephilim T-Shirt and thinking you are a re-incarnation of brandon lee does not make you a goth.

It makes you a ****.

Often I have thought that you have had some daft opinions, my friend, and often I have thought that you're damned well right.

You have never, however, hit the nail bang on the head with such accuracy and ferocity in my humble opinion as just there.

Had I had a hat on, I'd have taken it off.

Goths- to be or not to be?

Strangely enough, I hadn't realised until now that Goths were fans of The Bard!

Intrigued to hear one particular Goth on here stress repeatedly that she feels more confident behind the make-up...I'm sure that's far from unique to her though... I've never fully understood why many, if not most females feel that way...

Personally I consider that make-up, powder and paint, etc., is a great con-trick played on females for centuries by marketers, comparatively recently perfected by retailers persuading boys to play with dolls... Action-Man anyone?

And now it's the revival of cosmetics for men... smellys etc. for every occasion... Have male pheromones become so inactive or female pheromone-receptors become so dull that the whiff of the extract of some poor animals sex-glands are needed to encourage mutual human receptivity?

Coming back to Goth make-up, by painting faces pasty-white and applying dark eye-makeup... rather than setting a trend and defining a modern-ish identity, aren't they reverting to the ways of people many years older than themselves... our ancestors, who used to do exactly the same at one time? ;)

But as they say, To Each, Their Own. :)

As a forum oldie, I've found this thread interesting - I don't know much about the Goth sub-culture, but I've never come anyone dressed in that style who has been offensive in their behaviour. I think that is quite important to people who are a bit out of touch with youth culture. Goths may look dark and mysterious, and some of the make up is overdone, but thats not unusual with young people finding a style. I actually think some of the clothes are quite inventive, and much more interesting than the bland sportswear/white trainer/shaved head style favoured by so many!

Obviously the uninitiated (like me) will see the similarities rather than the differences in Gothic styling. I haven't seen many young Goth girls with babies though - unlike another stereotypical group who seem to have a pushchair as a fashion accessory. Is this because Goths take a more responsible approach to sex, or education or what? :confused:

I'll give the reason I feel comfortable behind the make-up.

If I paint my face white, you can't see it, you can't see my imperfections and you can't see me. I don't always wear the white foundation, sometimes just the eyeliner and lippy and sometimes without the lippy, depends how I'm feeling, but being covered up by it it makes me feel stronger and makes me feel like I'm a person, like everyone else. Some people feel comfortable in baggy clothing, some in tight clothing, it's the same thing with the make-up.

The one I knew was nice enough on the surface. Modelled for corsets(Big girl in all ways) made Goth cards. When at work always on the internet then stabbed you in the back when the time came.

I'll give the reason I feel comfortable behind the make-up.

If I paint my face white, you can't see it, you can't see my imperfections and you can't see me.
Having seen a pic of you, posted by your ever-loving sis on here a while ago, unless you've recently developed horns and a large hooked nose covered in warts... I would venture the opinion that, in appearance, you're somewhat lacking in imperfections, rather pretty in fact! ... Unless Lotti photo-shopped them all out? ;)

I don't always wear the white foundation, sometimes just the eyeliner and lippy and sometimes without the lippy, depends how I'm feeling, but being covered up by it it makes me feel stronger and makes me feel like I'm a person, like everyone else. Some people feel comfortable in baggy clothing, some in tight clothing, it's the same thing with the make-up.
Now this part I don't understand: "it (Goth make-up) makes me feel stronger and makes me feel like I'm a person, like everyone else." I would have thought that wearing your particular style of make-up would cause you to feel unlike almost everyone else? Your comment about feeling stronger and feeling that you're like a person, totally perplexes me!

Obviously, you can wear whatever you like within reason, clothing, make-up etc., it's a free country (theoretically at least), it's the reasoning behind it that I find interesting.

Well by wearing it I realise that I don't look like everyone else.

But it makes me feel confident in that I can do exactly what everyone else does, and feel better about doing it.

Wearing make up that draws attention stops people from seeing the person within, which can be very liberating.

It's one thing to be slagged off for being different - because it's the things you've chosen to draw attention to that are getting the attention (black lipstick, black eyeshadow, way too much eyeliner to be 'normal'...) but when you aren't wearing those things and people can see you and look you up and down, or have too much to say.....

Besides - maybe some of us like to be looked at, and watch people cross the street coz they don't like spider earings, trailing sleeves, huge boots, and black :evil: :hihi:

GothicCharm & Strix...

From your replies, you appear to be saying that you lack a certain degree of self-confidence without the make-up and attire that you like to wear, that you prefer to be judged on what you appear to be, rather than what you actually are. It seems to be more of a disguise to enable concealment of your true selves, rather than a fashion statement.

Is this really the case? or am I mistaken?

GothicCharm & Strix...

From your replies, you appear to be saying that you lack a certain degree of self-confidence without the make-up and attire that you like to wear, that you prefer to be judged on what you appear to be, rather than what you actually are. It seems to be more of a disguise to enable concealment of your true selves, rather than a fashion statement.

Is this really the case? or am I mistaken?

Goths don't lack self confidence - what about Darren Goth - he was a great fast bowler and is turning out to be a canny dancer...............

Goths don't lack self confidence - what about Darren Goth - he was a great fast bowler and is turning out to be a canny dancer...............
:hihi: I can just picture him foxtrotting in full gear :lol:

GothicCharm & Strix...

From your replies, you appear to be saying that you lack a certain degree of self-confidence without the make-up and attire that you like to wear, that you prefer to be judged on what you appear to be, rather than what you actually are. It seems to be more of a disguise to enable concealment of your true selves, rather than a fashion statement.

Is this really the case? or am I mistaken?

got it in one in my case.

Goths are simple creatures who can often be found on farms, or in the wild in places such as South America.

They are farmed for their milk and meat in the East. They have a terrible reputation for headbutting people with their large horns and for eating anything.

For further information, refer to the popular children's story, The Billy Goths Gruff, about three goths and their encounters with a troll.

GothicCharm & Strix...

From your replies, you appear to be saying that you lack a certain degree of self-confidence without the make-up and attire that you like to wear, that you prefer to be judged on what you appear to be, rather than what you actually are. It seems to be more of a disguise to enable concealment of your true selves, rather than a fashion statement.

Is this really the case? or am I mistaken?
And just how many self confident teenagers do you know? :roll:

... and I'd much rather be slagged off for dressing in black than for being Scouse. Of course, since I twigged that it's other people's insecurity that makes them attack people who they perceive as different, it stopped bothering me, and you should see some of the outfits I've worn in Rebels or Eddies No8 since ;)

I wear my black clothes as a statement of individuality now, but the style is virtually impossible to tie down to goth/rock/alternative :P

This thread has just turned into another case of one group of people being unable to accept another just because they're different and they don't understand them. People seem to expect everyone to justify everything about themselves...why?

This thread has just turned into another case of one group of people being unable to accept another just because they're different and they don't understand them. People seem to expect everyone to justify everything about themselves...why?

You say "just turned into..." etc., So I guess it's reasonable to assume that my recent posts have touched a sore point with you... I wonder if GothicCharm and Strix view my curiousity the same way as you appear to?

Hopefully they read them with closer attention than you seem to have done.

No, not really it's just that a lot of threads seem to start of as innocent curiosity but then soon get people saying 'goths are sad', 'chavs are sad' etc etc.

Don't worry I understood your points and questions :P I'm not a goth btw, I just tend to wear black...except for my jeans which are blue.

You say "just turned into..." etc., So I guess it's reasonable to assume that my recent posts have touched a sore point with you... I wonder if GothicCharm and Strix view my curiousity the same way as you appear to?

Hopefully they read them with closer attention than you seem to have done.
Curiosity is fine - it's the accusations and small mindedness from earlier in the thread that's the problem :roll:

I believe they still burn witches in South Yorkshire :roll:
The world is also flat, heavy object fall faster, and God will strike you dead if you swear ;)

I have nothing against the way people want to dress etc. If it werent for Chavs, goths, different styles etc the world would be a boring place.

Strix, probedb...
Good! I'm glad we understand each other, I'm merely curious, I'm not in sufficiently exalted a position to criticise anyone, even if I wanted to! ;)

*doodles eyeliner on Pseudonym to assist understanding* :D

err strix, heavy objects do fall faster :D

Excuse me whilst I die laughing :hihi:

how about a meet were you have to dress as either a chav or goth???

im up for strix letting me were one of her black outfits she got from quiggins (r.i.p.) and donning me in white paint and black lipstick!!

There aren't many people who'd fit in one of my outfits :rolleyes:

im sure i can buy black jeans and top!

its the full length black leather jacket i might struggle to get...

Strix, probedb...
Good! I'm glad we understand each other, I'm merely curious, I'm not in sufficiently exalted a position to criticise anyone, even if I wanted to! ;)

Don't worry neither am I :D I just know a few Goths and they're all lovely people :)

*doodles eyeliner on Pseudonym to assist understanding* :DDo that and I'd be a dead-ringer for Dr. Death, rather than a Goth!

Not to mention having a lot of explaining to do to Matron! ;)

I wear my black clothes as a statement of individuality now, but the style is virtually impossible to tie down to goth/rock/alternative :PHow is wearing a uniform, whether it be Goth, Chav or any other a statement of individuality? It simply shows belonging to a specific tribe.
If no-one else wore black, then yes you would be right. Or if you did it 25years ago maybe.

As if :roll:

If I was wearing a black evening dress you wouldn't brand me a goth

If I was wearing black overalls you wouldn't brand me a goth

If I was wearing a black suit you wouldn't brand me a goth

since when did wearing black brand anybody a goth? :loopy:

My mum (who's in her fifties and the mother of four 'alternative' types, the youngest being 19) got off a bus in Cambridge and proceeded across one of the greens crowded with grim goth types, although other 'adults' were giving them a wide berth

She feels less intimidated by people who choose to dress this way than if she's confronted with a horde of supposedly 'normal' teenagers - but I suppose she's had lots of experience of how nice we all are :P

How is wearing a uniform, whether it be Goth, Chav or any other a statement of individuality? It simply shows belonging to a specific tribe.
If no-one else wore black, then yes you would be right. Or if you did it 25years ago maybe.

lol uniform :hihi:

nobody tells me to wear black so it's hardly a uniform.

I feel comfortable in black and I like the make up. I never called myself a goth I always said i "dressed gothic" but since everyone insisted on calling me a goth I adopted the name lovingly.

Black is slimming, I am not. Problem solved.

lol uniform :hihi:

nobody tells me to wear black so it's hardly a uniform.

I feel comfortable in black and I like the make up. I never called myself a goth I always said i "dressed gothic" but since everyone insisted on calling me a goth I adopted the name lovingly.

Black is slimming, I am not. Problem solved.
It's not a uniform, because you were told to wear it, it a uniform in the sense of a uniform look. If you dress in a specific identifiable manner as do others then that is your uniform, like Teddy Boys, Mods, Hippies, Casuals, Madchester etc. You dress in a gothic style, you look like a Goth, apparently, therefore you must be wearing the Goth 'uniform'.

As if :roll:

If I was wearing a black evening dress you wouldn't brand me a goth

If I was wearing black overalls you wouldn't brand me a goth

If I was wearing a black suit you wouldn't brand me a goth

since when did wearing black brand anybody a goth? :loopy:
If you actually read what you replied to you will notice that I didn't actually call you a goth. I just said wearing black is hardly individual these days.

As for the items above you say aren't gothy, have you never seen The Addams Family?
Plus, I've seen all all of the above worn in a goth manner outside of the films.

well my sister wore a black evening dress and she's not a goth.

infact, i wore a PURPLE one!

At the end of the day you can't call it a uniform, uniforms are used not only to identify but so that every one looks identical. We don't look identical, cause we all wear the fashion in different ways and i am no where near as far into it as some i might mention who like to wear an underbust corset, jeans and a bra. THat's not gothic, that's nakedness.

My mom wears alot of black.. is she a goth?

Black is slimming. Therefore, I am goth. (obviously i like what i wear also)

As I said above, I didn't say wearing black makes you a goth. And purple has always been the colour de nuit for goths along with an occasional hint of red. It seems wearing black makes one hard of reading! :P
As for uniform, we are being a bit limited in what uniform means it seems.
Some of the several definitions of Uniform - clothing of distinctive [note distinctive, not identical] design worn by members of a particular group as a means of identification; undifferentiated; evenly spaced; always the same; showing a single form or character in all occurrences.

I'd hardly call wearing a bra, jeans and an underbust corset naked. In fact that's probably more covered up than many girls out on a Friday Night.

goths are there for us to take the peas outta

miserable gets

goths are there for us to take the peas outta

miserable gets
It's always good to see an intelligent, well-reasoned P.O.V.

I'll say what I always do when people slag off people who are different to them.

If we were all the same then life would be a very boring place. I really do admire people who can dress differently, and be individual to everybody else cos that is what life is all about!

To try different things, to find out who you really are.

It's always good to see an intelligent, well-reasoned P.O.V.

lol

that's me all right, intelligent & well reasoned

i'd never make a sweeping generalisation about any segment of our richly varied society

I'll say what I always do when people slag off people who are different to them.

If we were all the same then life would be a very boring place. I really do admire people who can dress differently, and be individual to everybody else cos that is what life is all about!

To try different things, to find out who you really are.

i've got no prob with people dressing individually - personally can't be bothered with all the messing about involved in gothing up, tbh - or with any other fashion sub group that's overly time consuming to get ready to go out

just don't see the point of the typical "i hate myself and i want to die" attitude held by many goths i've met

however, there are plenty people who think like that and don't dress all gothic, and some goths with a positive attitude towards life

As for uniform, we are being a bit limited in what uniform means it seems.
Some of the several definitions of Uniform - clothing of distinctive [note distinctive, not identical] design worn by members of a particular group as a means of identification; undifferentiated; evenly spaced; always the same; showing a single form or character in all occurrences.
Given the fact that you haven't actually seen my wardrobe, how have you come to the conclusion it's contents are in anyway 'uniform'? :confused:

just don't see the point of the typical "i hate myself and i want to die" attitude held by many goths i've met


Yeah thats true, don't understand that at all!!

Not all goths are like that though, like you said - but people do generally think that they are!

It's chicken and egg :mad:

This is too close to home thanks :(

One of my brother's crowd hung herself this week, so can we not get all excitable about this element of supposed 'goth culture'?

One of my brother's crowd hung herself this week, so can we not get all excitable about this element of supposed 'goth culture'?

Sorry to hear that Strix.

Perhaps you shouldn't read the thread (easier said than done I know) but people have different opinions and don't want you to get upset :(

x

Or perhaps I was already contributing to it when this happened, and perhaps people should not post nasty comments about people they don't know? (I suppose there's a first time for everything :roll: )

Or perhaps I was already contributing to it when this happened, and perhaps people should not post nasty comments about people they don't know? (I suppose there's a frist time for everything :roll: )

I haven't read the whole thread, so don't really know what you mean.

Hope you don't mean something I've said cos I don't think I put anything nasty.

I'll have a read...

Not you Sunshine ;)

As I said above, I didn't say wearing black makes you a goth. And purple has always been the colour de nuit for goths along with an occasional hint of red. It seems wearing black makes one hard of reading! :P
As for uniform, we are being a bit limited in what uniform means it seems.
Some of the several definitions of Uniform - clothing of distinctive [note distinctive, not identical] design worn by members of a particular group as a means of identification; undifferentiated; evenly spaced; always the same; showing a single form or character in all occurrences.

I'd hardly call wearing a bra, jeans and an underbust corset naked. In fact that's probably more covered up than many girls out on a Friday Night.

yes but i personally do not think that showing everyone your bra is all that acceptable that's all. It's called underwear for a reason.

To be honest I can't be arsed with this thread anymore cause it's just an excuse to take the mick out of people, if people actually wanted to listen to things then maybe i'd give a damn but to be honest I have better things to do with my life than sit in front of a computer trying to get through to someone i don't even know that I'm not miserable etc.

Let people live their own lives and wear what they want to wear cause to be honest nobody is here just for you to "take the peas outta" so wise up, grow up and get a life, maybe the more "miserable" ones of us value life a little more. Or maybe of course we just have more courtesy, just a thought.

We don't look identical

I beg to differ.

I suppose any group of people look the same when you're actually looking at your shoes to avoid their eye contact :suspect:

I suppose any group of people look the same when you're actually looking at your shoes to avoid their eye contact :suspect:except the seven dwarfs or a group of acting midgets playing the said septoflids in panto!

except the seven dwarfs or a group of acting midgets playing the said septoflids in panto!

When I see Snow White and the 7 Dwarves in Panto I tend to spend more time looking at Snow White, they tend to use rather attractive actresses to play the part :love:

Here help for the geeky goths who think its cool - remember goths are modern day trainspotters ;) (http://www.dearbloodymary.com/images/turning_goth_girl_lg.jpg)

for the record i would never go out with pink ears and a white face ;)

happy hippy, not all goths look identical, fact if you find me someone looking identical to me, then I'll congratulate you. But since you cannot possibly know and have seen every goth in the world, I cannot see how you can come up with the idea that all goths look the same. Everyone is different, no matter what fashion they follow.

Otherwise if you are right then I'm guessing that all chavs, old people, babies, "normal" people and townies, are all identical to each other too?

yes but i personally do not think that showing everyone your bra is all that acceptable that's all. It's called underwear for a reason.
You seem a bit prudish/closeminded!:|
As I mentioned before some people have more clothes on whilst wearing underwear, so what the problem? So would someone wearing a low cut top where you can see their boobs be OK as after all they are wearing 'outer wear'
What about swimwear?

erm... if they have a low cut top, how can u see their boobs? I'm meaning a corset that comes to below your bra (those meant for wearing a top under)

anyway maybe i just think people should put it away and leave some space for imagination?

happy hippy, not all goths look identical, fact if you find me someone looking identical to me, then I'll congratulate you. But since you cannot possibly know and have seen every goth in the world, I cannot see how you can come up with the idea that all goths look the same. Everyone is different, no matter what fashion they follow.

Otherwise if you are right then I'm guessing that all chavs, old people, babies, "normal" people and townies, are all identical to each other too?
When people are unfamiliar with a type of music, a dress style, a language what they notice is the similarities. When you are more familiar with a subject, you notice the difference. For example a brummie and a southerner. To a Frenchman just learning English, they both speak English as that's about as much as they can tell. Become more fluent as the accents become obvious. So to outsiders a fashion style can look much of a muchness, no matter how slightly differently the eyeliner is put on.

Music is where this is all too obvious, music you don't like all sounds the same. To those who like the genre, then it's obvious how different they are, as you are aware of the nuances that differentiate the tracks. The classic 'ignorant' music comment I've heard upteen times is all Latin Music sounds the same. When it is as similar as European music, which we can tell apart no problem. Then you get various types of House music which someone who isn't into House will think all sounds the same unlike the 12bar blues he/she likes, which all sound the same to the house music fan.

well im not a chav - but i dont think they look the same

im not an old person - but they dont all look the same

im definately not a baby - but they still dont look the same..

erm... if they have a low cut top, how can u see their boobs? I'm meaning a corset that comes to below your bra (those meant for wearing a top under) have you ever left the house? Female Townies out at the weekend aren't exactly dressed for the cold.
You mentioned wearing bras, so boobs would be covered.

anyway maybe i just think people should put it away and leave some space for imagination?
People say you should wear less black and be happier! How is that point of view any different?
It's just a personal opinion about another's dress style. Each to his own I say. Though the lack of current satorial variety/imagination and is a bit sad it has to be said.

you are a very annoying person! Goths are not MISERABLE.

I'll spell that for you

N - O - T - M - I - S - E - R - A - B - L - E

you are a very annoying person! Goths are not MISERABLE.

I'll spell that for you

N - O - T - M - I - S - E - R - A - B - L - E
Are they Illiterate then?:P
If you read what I wrote, I did not say you were miserable.
I said People say blah, blah..... as an example of how similar that is to what you said about how others dress and behave.
If I'd thought you were miserable, then I would have prefaced the sentence with I think blah, blah ..

well... why keep saying it if you dont think it?

I didn't say it. Which is the point you missed. You seem to gettting me confused with someone else who said that.
Maybe you cannot tell us forum people apart? :D

I can tell you apart as your head would look most handsome on a spike :)

The point is, you do keep making the point that "people" think goths are miserable, so why bring it up if you don't think it yourself?

I can tell you apart as your head would look most handsome on a spike :)

The point is, you do keep making the point that "people" think goths are miserable, so why bring it up if you don't think it yourself?
I mentioned it once in context to how you view others. Actually.
If I say people like eating meat.
If I say people like drinking beer.
If I say people like riding bikes.
If I say people can be racist.
Does it mean I believe or do any of those things. No it doesn't. I may do but equally I may not.
You simply need to read more carefully and not assume everyone thinks Goths are all miserable, as that is the as bad as saying all goths are miserable.

Right having had more important things to sort out i'm back again

I was very stressed last night so was probably not reading properly.

Shall we use more points next time rather than just sticking to one thing and arguing about it lol

you are a very annoying person! Goths are not MISERABLE.

I'll spell that for you

N - O - T - M - I - S - E - R - A - B - L - E

Well they seem to spend their entire life pretending to be miserable then ....... which is even dafter in my book.

Right having had more important things to sort out i'm back again

I was very stressed last night so was probably not reading properly.

Shall we use more points next time rather than just sticking to one thing and arguing about it lol

Oh, alright then!

was that meant to be nice or sarcastic? I never know with this board.