I live near Bramley Hall in Handsworth and I was just wandering if anyone had any good ghost stories about the place? I know it used to be owned by monks I think and one of them is supposedly the ghost. Its a chiropodists now and he says he was laid in bed one night and he heard someone coming upstairs wearing what sounded like wellies or something but when he went to look no one was there.
When I was a kid people used to say that the father of the family who used to live there killed his wife. I doubt thats true though.

I think it gets a couple of mentions in Valerie whatsernames Sheffield Ghost books.

Hi guys,
I live in Bramley Hall now with my family, and there are many-a-strange goings on lol.
If you are still interested write back or e-mail me.
Thanks, J

Well, we have records dating back to the 1100's, but weather there was a 'structure' of anysort there is hard to tell. The records say that in the 1200's, a man named Richard de Bramley (or some slight variation of that name) who owned the land built a house - hence the name Bramley Hall and surrounding area. There is a long list of names of people who owned and lived in the house and if anyone is interested if you request i will post them later. There also monks who lived here throughot the years and that is why we have a large stain glass window in the stairwell saying 'deo non fortuna' which from Latin translates to God not fortune. Aparently in the 1900's two brothers inherited/bought the house and extended it laving one side (whcih we live in) and another half of the house for there buisness -which was a butchers. There are meat hooks in the roof where the brothers used hang animals. In the living room there is a large and to be fair the 'other side' of the house feels somewhat eery. We have seen al sorts of things in there including orbs, black shadows and a 'gray lady'. Bangs and knocks are heard also coming from there. Maybe the strangest place of all is the atic where there are engravings in the wall saying 'this attic belings to John Bea...", the rest of which is unreadabe and also other names and phrases. In the cellar/old pantry there are drains where the blood used to run from any game caught in what was the surrounding woodland and a tunnel underground which is blocked up now but once said to run from the hall all the way up to St.Maries Church. I some battle or religous uprising the monks of the hall used to run through the 'secret' tunnel and into the church thus avading capture. Arund the house there is what is known as a 'ha-ha' or ditch which used to block cattle ect from coming near the house. Anyway I will write more if any more info is reuested. Thanks, J.

Sorry, no ghosts in Bramley!! I was born there in 1946. The house belonged to my grandfather, Herbert Oliver My parents lived there until I was 2 years old when they moved to Bramley Avenue. I spent most of my childhood at the Hall and remember it when there were no houses in the immediate vicinity . There used to be a red shale tennis court just in front of the house. I adored the place as did my mother before me. We used to spend every Christmas in the old dining room with a huge fire burning in the vast walnut surround fireplace. It was a great place for parties and celebrations. I was married in Sheffield and we had the evening party at Bramley Hall. I look at photos of my childhood and youth there and feel such nostalgia. My grandparents died in 1972 after which I rarely visite BH. I was delighted when Kevin and Laurence bought it a few years ag as he was a distant cousin and I was able to see the old place again. It had changed a lot! The 'mysterious writings 'on the attic walls were written by me and my younger sister ,Barbara-we used to play up in the attic. I can't remember what it was we wrote but the names will testify that we were the culprits. I could write a book about the place and still have the original brochure advertising the houses on the Bramley estate which were built by my grandad and his brother ,Uncle Ernest. In over 25 years I never saw or heard anything 'ghostly'. My email address was made for me by my daughter who knew what happy memories I had of Bramley Hall. Incidentally , the house was bought ,not inherited.

hi guys, we are the currant owners of bramley hall.

miss.logan if you would like to e-mail me we could arrange some thing and you are more than welcome to come and have a look around whenever you please.
it would be nice to have a chat with some one who loves the house as much as us.

kind regards
J

Hello Jay,

Wow what a kind offer!!.I'l certainly take you up on that the next time we're in Sheffield. That isn't very often these days as our son has spent the last 5 years at Sheffield Hallam Uni but has recently returned to the North East.I left Sheffield in 1965 to do teacher training and retired 4 years ago after 35 years as a teacher. I'm still reasonably sane though!

It would be good to keep in touch now and again, perhaps to swap notes on Bramley. I have a big framed photo of it at the top of my stairs.

My email address is anne@bramleyhall.co.uk.

Regards,

Anne

Ghosts are not real.

My Granny lived in Bramley Hall in 1891 as a cook for the family of Thomas Gamsford. He was the owner of a colliery. My Granny naver told me of any ghosts she'd seen. But that might have been because she had her mind on other things. She met an irishman who lived nearby in Park Lane and in 1893 she married him. He was my grandfather. Does anybody know if Park Lane was what today we call Bramley Lane?

My Granny lived in Bramley Hall in 1891 as a cook for the family of Thomas Gamsford. He was the owner of a colliery. My Granny naver told me of any ghosts she'd seen. But that might have been because she had her mind on other things. She met an irishman who lived nearby in Park Lane and in 1893 she married him. He was my grandfather. Does anybody know if Park Lane was what today we call Bramley Lane?

Just had a look in a Handsworth History book and Park Lane was what we now know as Finchwell Road.

Ghosts are not real.

Sorry to disagree with you, but I believe they are, having some ghostly experiences myself. I used to live in a Georgian house on Sharrow Lane and there was definitely something in the cellar there. We had a collie dog called Peggy at the time and she would under no circumstances go down there. And I know that the house I lived in on the Gleadless Valley estate was haunted by the benign spirit of the old lady who used to live there in the seventies. And I used to do voluntary work in the early nineties at the Sheffield Fire Museum So ghosts are real! Don't know about Bramley hall though, never been there.

Ghosts are real!! I've got a few stories about Ranmoor Hall...

Can't understand :huh: why this thread has been resurrected (pardon the pun) ......it was started in 2004! :roll:

And I've had my own encounters with ghosts too.....but not a Bramley Hall :D

wooooooo.........

Sorry to disagree with you, but I believe they are, having some ghostly experiences myself. I used to live in a Georgian house on Sharrow Lane and there was definitely something in the cellar there. We had a collie dog called Peggy at the time and she would under no circumstances go down there. And I know that the house I lived in on the Gleadless Valley estate was haunted by the benign spirit of the old lady who used to live there in the seventies. And I used to do voluntary work in the early nineties at the Sheffield Fire Museum So ghosts are real! Don't know about Bramley hall though, never been there.

Are you totally bonkers??? :)

Can't understand :huh: why this thread has been resurrected (pardon the pun) ......it was started in 2004! :roll:

And I've had my own encounters with ghosts too.....but not a Bramley Hall :D

....in this case , what does it matter how old the post is , as Bramley Hall dates back to around 1200 , so posts over a FEW years old on here asking for any history , surely cant be a problem !? I am sure any future residents will post when they need info! :loopy:

Since my last posting, I visited Shibden Hall, a very old house near Halifax. The man who was giving us a guided tour explained that such old and grand homes often had concealed doors and passages both inside the house and under the garden so that the indoor servants and gardeners could go about their work without their comings and goings disturbing the owners and their vistors. Could this account for some of these ghost stories?

Sorry to disagree with you, but I believe they are, having some ghostly experiences myself. I used to live in a Georgian house on Sharrow Lane and there was definitely something in the cellar there. We had a collie dog called Peggy at the time and she would under no circumstances go down there. And I know that the house I lived in on the Gleadless Valley estate was haunted by the benign spirit of the old lady who used to live there in the seventies. And I used to do voluntary work in the early nineties at the Sheffield Fire Museum So ghosts are real! Don't know about Bramley hall though, never been there.

No, please disagree all you like weather you disagre or not has no bearing on what I believe only what evidence you present. So let us evaluate the 'evidence' you have presented. After reading your comment, I have concluded that your dog not down into the basement is not strange, my dog doesn't go into my attic, it has no reason to so does that mean my attic? Isen't it more probable that your dog doesn't want to go down there because it has no reason to, or prehaps it doesn't like the smell of the room, have you even considered any of these possibilities? As for the other stuff, well it's not even worthy of evaluation because it isen't evidence, just assertion. Unless you have a valid proof I suggest you stop disagreeing and start looking for some, because at this point in time, you have an irrational belief.

Actually I have logical proof against the existence of ghosts; how much does a ghost weigh? If you say nothing then how does gravity affect it? If gravity doesn't affect it as soon as it manifests it will fly off the surface of the earth as fast as the earth is moving relative to space (very fast) If you answer (Insert mass here) The ghost effects reality in a way that is testable and thus you only need a pair of weighing scales to detect it. Unless you have another method of detecting ghosts then please sate your proof.

This threads been going for 7 years now and still hasn't managed to get a second page.......

:clap::banana: Yay page two :banana::clap:

Since it cannot be proven one way or the other it would seem that neither party for or against can be right or wrong.
Science has an uncanny knack of settling on a truth that scientists fabricate themselves as they search for answers. It's a world where ifs and maybes are accepted as certainty until such time as another theorist happens by and converts us to another way of thinking and like this thread, the argument will continue for years.

Since it cannot be proven one way or the other it would seem that neither party for or against can be right or wrong.
Science has an uncanny knack of settling on a truth that scientists fabricate themselves as they search for answers. It's a world where ifs and maybes are accepted as certainty until such time as another theorist happens by and converts us to another way of thinking and like this thread, the argument will continue for years.

No... The people who believe in ghosts are wrong because they have no empirical evidence for their beliefs, thus they are wrong to accept this crap as true. You are also wrong on science, scientists don't make up stuff they make hypothesis which MUST be validated by testable evidence that other people have to also validate (peer review) before they are accepted as theories.

Basically we are arguing over the non existence of something, and weather something can be negatively proven.

Quite a while ago, I did a property portrait of Bramley Hall, handsworth, as an artist like you do. I must say, there was a misty image on one of the original photo's taken early 90's. Not sure what one would classify as a ghost but It's certainly a beautiful old building and so what if it has spirits, just adds to the character if you ask me. Xxxx

No... The people who believe in ghosts are wrong because they have no empirical evidence for their beliefs, thus they are wrong to accept this crap as true. You are also wrong on science, scientists don't make up stuff they make hypothesis which MUST be validated by testable evidence that other people have to also validate (peer review) before they are accepted as theories.

Basically we are arguing over the non existence of something, and weather something can be negatively proven.

Palaentologists are continually updating widely believed theories, hypothesis call them what you like. Isn't the only definite science something that can be proven mathematically. Anything else is speculation, conjecture. Its a concensus that 'ghosts' do not exist because there is no documented evidence or proven, witnessed, validated proof that they do. They haven't been seen therefore they don't exist isn't an argument its only a disbelief that they can because so far there is no way to prove that they do. At best there is no reason to believe that they do because it offers nothing to be dead yet remain in some ethereal form on this plain but until such time as its proven inconclusively that they do or do not then it remains a possibility.

Palaentologists are continually updating widely believed theories, hypothesis call them what you like. Isn't the only definite science something that can be proven mathematically. Anything else is speculation, conjecture. Its a concensus that 'ghosts' do not exist because there is no documented evidence or proven, witnessed, validated proof that they do. They haven't been seen therefore they don't exist isn't an argument its only a disbelief that they can because so far there is no way to prove that they do. At best there is no reason to believe that they do because it offers nothing to be dead yet remain in some ethereal form on this plain but until such time as its proven inconclusively that they do or do not then it remains a possibility.

Before you start throwing the words 'hypothesis' and 'theory' around like they are interchangeable in a scientific discussion, I suggest that you go and read the differences between the two terms and how they are used.

Yes, theories are constantly updated, all theories are, mathematical and otherwise, they have ever since the scientific method was established.

Well, I disbelieve in ghosts, I don't accept them as things that exist (The probability that they do exist is negligible).

Before you start throwing the words 'hypothesis' and 'theory' around like they are interchangeable in a scientific discussion, I suggest that you go and read the differences between the two terms and how they are used.

Yes, theories are constantly updated, all theories are, mathematical and otherwise, they have ever since the scientific method was established.

Well, I disbelieve in ghosts, I don't accept them as things that exist (The probability that they do exist is negligible).

Skipping the English lesson, neither do I believe they exist.
Oh where do you get your stuffed shirts from?

Skipping the English lesson, neither do I believe they exist.
Oh where do you get your stuffed shirts from?


Great why are we arguing then?

And *sigh* :|

Great why are we arguing then? :|

It started round about the time you informed me that I was wrong

It started round about the time you informed me that I was wrong

No I said the people who belived in ghosts were wrong.

No I said the people who belived in ghosts were wrong.

You can only have your own opinion of what is right and wrong. You simply cannot state that people who believe in ghosts are wrong. It's called 'personal belief' and who is anybody to question that? I would not question your beliefs or opinions - I may disagree with them but would defend your right to your beliefs or opinions.

My limited understanding of this forum is that people are entitled to their own opinions???

My limited understanding of this forum is that people are entitled to their own opinions???

Entitled we may be but many; and i'm talking in general not highlighting any one specific sub forum, regard a personal view as an attempt to persuade or convince others. A healthy argument can descend into chaos very quickly. I suppose the trick is to try and ignore those that seek only to upset.
For all that I don't believe in ghosts I would find it fascinating to learn that they do exist and secretly I hope that they do.

Entitled we may be but many; and i'm talking in general not highlighting any one specific sub forum, regard a personal view as an attempt to persuade or convince others. A healthy argument can descend into chaos very quickly. I suppose the trick is to try and ignore those that seek only to upset.
For all that I don't believe in ghosts I would find it fascinating to learn that they do exist and secretly I hope that they do.

Yep, that's what upsets me about this forum. Of course, if you post one thread you will get many varied opinions and that's good, but as you say it descends into chaos quickly.

I can't remember who said it but it was along the lines of -

"I may disagree with your opinion but I defend your right to it"

If more of the posters on here remembered that we'd have a nicer forum :)

Edit, is your staffy a nut-job aswell? Love the cheesy staffy grin!