Last night (SAT 14 would be SUN 15 00.30) A dog pulled out a cat from a hedge outside my home.
The cat which sleeps in the same place under a neighbours private was outside its own house.
The dog sniffed it out and grabbed the cat and rammed it clean through the private edge and killed it on the pathment.
This cat took a few seconds to die and the dog did not leave it until it was dead.
That although is'nt pleasant,the fact that this dog was unleashed with its owner is what matters.
The owner was 100 yards up the road and shouted the dog to come while it had the cat.
The dog would not go until the cat was dead and when it did the idiot dog owner said it was self defence.
The dog is called Molly and i am lead to believe the owner lives on the triangle at the bottom of Herries Avenue, although not confirmed.
It looked like a Pitbull but I may be wrong as it was dark, but it was very simular.
I ask all pet owners IE small dogs and cats who live in this area to be vigilant as this dog is clearly dangerous and next time it could be your pet or a child.
The owner is a complete moron and needs prosicuting for not controlling a dangerous dog on a public highway and when i find the culprit i will report him.
Remember the dogs name is Molly.

This has really ****** me off.How on earth can anyone let their dog to that.I bet the cats owners are devestated.This idiot dog owner wants a good hideing as well as reporting.Cycleracer next time you see him fowllow him and get his address and get the auorthrayties involved eg dog warden.RSPCA,Police.As for the scumbag dog owner you should by rights be flogged because you are disgrace to the many sensable dog owners out there.

I have had the police to my home today and although the officer was a genuine reasonable bloke, he gave me the answer i had expected and there is nothing they can do as it was not serious enough.
Try telling the poor cat that if it could speak, the owners of the cat who were clearly upset when i cleared the cat from the path having witnessed this terrable thing with its stomach crushed.
If it attacks a human then thats different.
If this dog is left off a leash then he may get his wish and then its to late because this bloke who calls himself a dog owner is still walking his dangerous dog without a lead and its clearly out of control.
Its only a cat was his answer, well lets hope his young daughter never witnesses this with her pet cat. It is'nt nice, the owner never came down to deal with the dog, he just stood at the top of the road shouting its name.
I'm not a lover of cats as they dig up my plants and leave there mess but no cat deserves to be killed in this way and if anyone knows who he is then let me know and he will get a visit from the RSPCA.

The dog should be caught and put down IMO.

ill keep my eye out for it cycleracer and if i find anything out ill pm you

Cats hanging around my garden have killed so much wildlife that they are beginning to become a pest in their own right, frogs,voles ,young and old birds ,doves etc.
Not condoning the act of the dog or its owner but one less cat is no bad thing.
Cat people will now be whining about how its natural for them to kill wildlife. What isnt natural to have 75 to 80 feline predators per square kilometre. Cue Pussy types.

Sorry Phanny the moderator if it really should be 75.56 to 80.01 per square cubic hectoid .


Nogard

I'll not justify the post above with much of a response seeing as it's heading to a different discussion.

Fact of the matter is: there's a dog with a dangerous owner on the loose. It may be a pitbull, it may be not. Now you may have guessed I'm a "cat person" but you'll not hear me joining the reaction of "the dog should be put down".

With regard to dangerous breeds, there really needs to be tougher regulation on the breeding of dogs. Having a cull of unmuzzled dogs of an unstable and bred-to-kill breeds is tackling a problem too late. And whilst it is now too late to tackle the problem of pitbulls in that way, lessons should be learned.

But as stated in the original post, it may not be a pitbull. All animals can be vicious - it's defensive mechanism and/or hunting is part of their makeup. But all too often dogs are owned by idiots. Remember back in the '80s when Alsations were the media "devil dogs"? - then it went on to being rottweilers. Both breeds can easily kill a human - both breeds can be the softest daftest things around too. But idiots get hold of dogs like tis for the tough image, and actively encourage them to attack. I've seen (going back to when rotties were the "devil dogs") a rottweiler owner setting two of his dogs onto his own younger rottweiler.

I'd like to see the dog licence reintroduced to combat this - bot on the other hand would it mean more abandoned dogs?

I suspect the best action on seeing that dog would be to kick the s*** out of it as the authorities (as usual) will do nothing...

ooh yeah let's get a vigilante mob out to go find and kick this dog to death.

That'll show how civilised the human race is compared to mere animals acting on instinct rather than thought

Killing the dog won't solve the problem as the stupid owner would just go out and get another dog and and be irresponsible with that one too. I won't say what I would prefer you to do if you find out who the owner is... as this is a family forum! :mad:

What this dog (and it's owner) has done has sickened me. Where i live (off Gleadless) I have only seen ONE dog owner in about three weeks now walking their dog with a lead on. I always assumed that it was a requirement of (responsible) dog owners, to keep their animals on a lead when around main roads and children. Obviously i am wrong.

A lot of the dogs walked around here are obedient, but I have seen quite a few that run off - either into the road or up to young children - all the while with their owner at least 100 - 200 yards away, stroling with a fag in one hand, and the lead swinging in the other. THEY DON'T CARE! If their dog attacked someone - THEY WOULDN'T CARE.

The only solution is as Squiggs suggested - bring back dog licenses. Surely the government would make enough money from it, so they must see it as a good idea. But it's not just a license these people should be required to have. All dogs - before being allowed to go home with it's new owners - should have arrangements in place for it to be neutered as soon as it is old enough, to prevent the owners illegally breeding and selling on the puppies (I think the same should apply to cats). Only dogs with a license that specifically allows for them to be breeding stock should be spared neutering.

There are a lot of stray and unloved dogs and cats around - purely because people are too ignorant or lazy to have them neutered. If it was a legal requirement to have them neutered, it may help lighten the load of the RSPCA and other animal welfare organisations.

Just my own view...

I have to say that the dog owner should be put down. That is horrible. Having seen one of my cats run over and been distraught I cannot even possibly imagine how awful that must have been.

My friend has two Staffies - one pedigree one without papers and when kept and trained responsibly these animals are no menace to anyone. Staffies are often mistaken for pitbulls and I cannot comment on that breed in particular.
I am led to believe that the staffies were bred to live with families the dog fights and hunting provided an income for said family. If they discovered a man biter amongst the litter it was culled to avoid raising a bloodline of them thru breeding.
My friend never takes her dogs off the leash unless they are in her back garden - which I may add has strong high fences. She is also aware that should her animals ever get off their leesh and decide to take on another animal they will most definately kill it.

PersonallY i cannot understand why anyone would want a breed such as the above knowing what they are capable of, but then everyone has different tastes :confused: It is down to the owner of every dog to ensure they are trained and kept properly - if the breed is known to have proplems then they should be addressed with proper equipment - muzzel or strong leed. Training cannot account for inbred instinct.

I can only just remember dog licenses, my nan had a pedigree poodle so not sure if they a good thing. It would certainly sort out responsible owners.

Moon

As a cat owner I am sickened and outraged. I'm in such a bad mood over it I'm all for driving over right now (I'm in Manchester) and finding the owner and giving him a 'good talking to'. Feel free to substitute the words 'talking to' to 'doing over'.

Whatever action you guys plan, be it a petition or whatever, count me in.

The owner is obviously a complete inadequate compensating by having a "hardmans dog."
The police are copping out. The owner is failing to keep under control a vicious dog. Killing a cat is sufficient for a prosecution which would probably result in an order for this animal to be put down.
Cycleracer, I suggest that you make a complaint to the RSPCA and you may not be fobbed off as easily.
Let the owner of the cat know which pair of animals did this as well.

Just out of interest did this dog owner have tattoos and a fag in his mouth.

Of course I could be wrong but I'm guessing that this man was not, shall we say, of the higher social classes and perhaps not of the highest intelligence either.

There seems to be something about pit bulls, rottwiellers etc that appeals to a certain type of person.

Originally posted by robbie
I suspect the best action on seeing that dog would be to kick the s*** out of it as the authorities (as usual) will do nothing... No chance of that,you would need a shotgun to stop it. It held the cat with its front paws off the ground while balancing on its rear legs. Looks like this dogs killed before.
Its not the dog that I am angry with, Cats kill mice, dogs kill cats,its all nature, its the owner that needs shooting.
The cat was a treasured pet and was 16 years old with a heart condition and it had not got long left.
The owner said every morning she gets up she expects her pet to have died because she is that old and to die in this way has upset them.
She had only let the cat out for a short while.
I blame the dog owner only, its his fault and he should pay the price.
Longley folk on this forum, I WANT A NAME AND ADDRESS so this individual can be spoken to and hopefully prosicuted.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Just out of interest did this dog owner have tattoos and a fag in his mouth.

Of course I could be wrong but I'm guessing that this man was not, shall we say, of the higher social classes and perhaps not of the highest intelligence either.

There seems to be something about pit bulls, rottwiellers etc that appeals to a certain type of person. What have fags and tattoos got to do with intelligence? seems to me that its the middle classes who go for the tattoos these days.

You are a SNOB, sir of the highest order.

DRAGON

Originally posted by dragonsoup
What have fags and tattoos got to do with intelligence?

DRAGON

Arguably quite a lot. Take cigarettes. Everyone knows (or should know) that they are very dangerous things which kill you. So what does it say for the inteligence and common sense of people who still decide to smoke them?

I have heard at least one smoker (who has absolutely no medical training at all) claim that smoking is not harmful to health.

Still that's another debate. This is about pitbulls.

I thought pitbulls were supposed to be outlawed under the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act. Does anyone know what the Act actually specfified as regards pitbulls?

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Arguably quite a lot. Take cigarettes. Everyone knows (or should know) that they are very dangerous things which kill you. So what does it say for the inteligence and common sense of people who still decide to smoke them?

I have heard at least one smoker (who has absolutely no medical training at all) claim that smoking is not harmful to health.

Still that's another debate. This is about pitbulls.

I thought pitbulls were supposed to be outlawed under the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act. Does anyone know what the Act actually specfified as regards pitbulls?
i cant guess what your subject would be on mastermind:D :D :D

Keeping my eyes open Cycleracer. If I see him I'll note his address (by PM).

Obviously the owner is more stupid than the dog, as is usual in the case of pitbulls!

There seems to be something about pit bulls, rottwiellers etc that appeals to a certain type of person.

can i just say i had a rotweiler and she was lovely! its got nothing to do with the type of dog it's the owners!!!!

Originally posted by skala
can i just say i had a rotweiler and she was lovely! its got nothing to do with the type of dog it's the owners!!!!

I agree with you there skala. The nicest and gentlest of creatures if brought up properly, Rottys are having the same bad press that Alsatians/ German shepherds did a few years ago, but in the wrong hands they are dynamite waiting to go off.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Arguably quite a lot. Take cigarettes. Everyone knows (or should know) that they are very dangerous things which kill you. So what does it say for the inteligence and common sense of people who still decide to smoke them?

I have heard at least one smoker (who has absolutely no medical training at all) claim that smoking is not harmful to health.

Still that's another debate. This is about pitbulls.

I thought pitbulls were supposed to be outlawed under the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act. Does anyone know what the Act actually specfified as regards pitbulls?

No surprise that you mention smoking with no relation to the original thread. :loopy: :loopy:
Yeah Yeah we all know you don't like smoking but stop harping on about it. I don't like smoking either but you're starting to get on my tits by mentioning it at every opportunity

There are two pitbulls in tinsley with the same kind moron owner its just one is a pakistani moron. I have a little Jack Russel and the owner brought one of the pitbulls really close to my little dog. I knew that if this pitbull grabbed the Jack Russell it would not let go until either of them was dead.
They are really frightening when you seem them in action and should not be allowed to be owned by these idiots.
I've asked our local bobby about what can be done and the best evidence is by using a video camera but I dont think any reasonable person wants to be stood around pointing a video camera at any one that is surely going to use violence.

Originally posted by Hadron
There are two pitbulls in tinsley with the same kind moron owner its just one is a pakistani moron. I have a little Jack Russel and the owner brought one of the pitbulls really close to my little dog. I knew that if this pitbull grabbed the Jack Russell it would not let go until either of them was dead.
They are really frightening when you seem them in action and should not be allowed to be owned by these idiots.
I've asked our local bobby about what can be done and the best evidence is by using a video camera but I dont think any reasonable person wants to be stood around pointing a video camera at any one that is surely going to use violence.

thats alode of BS! i've been working with Pittbulls for 10 years now & their the only dog my family has ever had the pleasure of owning. its all a big falasy a myth that pittbull have locking jaws, can hold with their frount teeth & grind with their back & that they have so much preasure per square inch. pittbulls jaw structure is no different to that of your jack russle the only thing that a pittbull has that your jack russle dosent is determination, he wont let go which is why they are called pittbulls as they used to drag bulls in to the pitt by the nose hense the phrase taking the bull by the nose.

how do you know that the owners of those pitts are bad owners, you dont explain yourself, you just say that they are morons for having pitts! sounds like your the moron to me!

Originally posted by SaxonLeigh
thats alode of BS! i've been working with Pittbulls for 10 years now & their the only dog my family has ever had the pleasure of owning. its all a big falasy a myth that pittbull have locking jaws, can hold with their frount teeth & grind with their back & that they have so much preasure per square inch. pittbulls jaw structure is no different to that of your jack russle the only thing that a pittbull has that your jack russle dosent is determination, he wont let go which is why they are called pittbulls as they used to drag bulls in to the pitt by the nose hense the phrase taking the bull by the nose.

how do you know that the owners of those pitts are bad owners, you dont explain yourself, you just say that they are morons for having pitts! sounds like your the moron to me! Because if you read my original thread it states what the owner did at the scene which makes him a bad owner.
No lead,, did not come down to the dog to help the cat,, stood 100 yards away shouting its name,, blamed the cat by shouting it was self defence, need i go on.

I do agree with you that not all Pitbulls are bad, my daughter has an american bulldog, I have a boxer and you are in correct to put a Pitbulls jaw pressure the same as a Jack Russell.
Pitbulls are killers, Jack Russells are not.

Originally posted by Cycleracer
Because if you read my original thread it states what the owner did at the scene which makes him a bad owner.
No lead,, did not come down to the dog to help the cat,, stood 100 yards away shouting its name,, blamed the cat by shouting it was self defence, need i go on.

I do agree with you that not all Pitbulls are bad, my daughter has an american bulldog, I have a boxer and you are in correct to put a Pitbulls jaw pressure the same as a Jack Russell.
Pitbulls are killers, Jack Russells are not.

Easy everybody!

Cycleracer, I think Saxon was quoting the message before by Hadron.
His post was unclear as to what problems he had encountred with the two pitbulls in Tinsley exactly.

I think we are all in agreement that it's the owners that are the problem.

I would like to add that in general dog handeling in the UK is bad at the moment.
With a whole range of dogs and a wide variety of problems, from littering the streets to the tragic display you witnessed.

Owning a pet dog is on the increase and a dog license may be a good idea to make people think twice.

Dogs live and work best in packs, and it's the owners responsability to make sure he or she is leader of that pack.
Not just to have a well behaved dog but to also make the dog feel safe in it's enviroment.
A dog with no pack leader is either going to be pack leader or running scared which can cause it's own problems.
THIS IS NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.

One more thing, no dog living in a family will kill because of instinct alone, as it will be being fed.
Killing and hunting is for food not because that's what dogs do.

The pittbull you wittnessed may well have been starved that day for an upcoming ileagal fight.

Anyone still wanting a dog get a Border Collie, your job is half done.

A Border Collie trainer (Lover).

Originally posted by owdlad
I agree with you there skala. The nicest and gentlest of creatures if brought up properly, Rottys are having the same bad press that Alsatians/ German shepherds did a few years ago, but in the wrong hands they are dynamite waiting to go off.

Thats the point; dynamite is safe in the right hands. Unfortunately people that get hold of these dogs tend in some cases to be the 'wrong' hands.
It's easily solved! Ask them how many GCSE's they got and if its below 5 they can't own a dog. And before you all start saying this is social engineering - stop and think - You wouldnt give an important job to someone who couldnt prove himself. Our entire society is engineered to some degree. Raising a 'HELL DOG' is a very important job which could go terribly wrong. Put pet maintanance on the curriculum and make them sit exams in it. There is more point to it than Geography!!

Originally posted by Cycleracer
Because if you read my original thread it states what the owner did at the scene which makes him a bad owner.
No lead,, did not come down to the dog to help the cat,, stood 100 yards away shouting its name,, blamed the cat by shouting it was self defence, need i go on.

I do agree with you that not all Pitbulls are bad, my daughter has an american bulldog, I have a boxer and you are in correct to put a Pitbulls jaw pressure the same as a Jack Russell.
Pitbulls are killers, Jack Russells are not.

before you jump down my throat go & read my hecking post, i had quoted the poster before & that is what i was refering to!

now please, i know alot about dogs, i know quite alot about pittbulls, what they were used for & how they originated as a breed! i think you are being very nieve in the way you look at this breed. i can tell that you have never owned, been in contact or go to know this much understood breed & that your are the type of person to believe what the newspapers print about this bread!

a jack russle can kill if been brought up in the wrong environment, as can a pittbull but you are looking with blinkers on, open your eyes look at the bigger picture!

open your eyes & read my post, i never put the pitbull jaw preasure the same as a jack russles what i said was that....

...there is a myth, a falacy that

1) a pittbull has locking jaws

2) a pittbull can hold something with its frount teeth & grind or chew with its back teeth at the same time

3) a pittbull has more jaw presure PSI than any other dog

the point i was trying to make was that a pittbulls jaw is strutured NO differently to that of a jack russles, or a boxer, or ammerican bull, or akita, or yorkshire terrier.

Any news on the owner Cycleracer?

I have heard reports about a black Lab which has killed two dogs in Hillsborough Park.

It seems we have a a spate of irresponsible owners in the area, shame we can't have them put down with the dogs.

Moon Maiden

Originally posted by Moon Maiden
Any news on the owner Cycleracer?

I have heard reports about a black Lab which has killed two dogs in Hillsborough Park.

It seems we have a a spate of irresponsible owners in the area, shame we can't have them put down with the dogs.

Moon Maiden That is my biggest worry that there are to many dogs running around public places unleashed and if the dogs would had been leashed the other dogs would not have been killed by it.
Action should be taken against these owners no matter how dosile or fierce the dog is, it should be on a lead.
I'm sick of riding my bike and getting snarling mutts putting the fear of god into you because its running free.
Sorry Moon, no news on the owners of the cat killing dog.

lets hope the dogs turn on their owners...:D

Mice will kill insects
Cats will kill mice
Dogs will kill cats
Humans will kill dogs
Where will it stop and who wrote the rule that states nature can take its natural course until a cat gets killed?.
Do not get me wrong, i do not condone the behaviour of this dog owner or indeed the dog but it was only doing what most dogs would do in the same situation. The blame for this attack should lie with the dog owner and not with the dog!.
Speaking of which, Why do people take pleasure in pointing out that all powerfull dogs(pitbulls/german sheperds/rottweilers/staffies/akitas etc) are vicious attacking machines?. I have only ever been attacked by two dogs in my life, one was a yorkshire terrier and the other was a poodle, yet you hear nothing in the press or on the news about these small dogs being dangerous!.

Thats because the two dogs that '' attacked '' you are not dangerous although the can give you a painfull bite, you can boot a Poodle or Yorkie and it will come off worse, although not condorning that, you boot a Rottie or pitbull then theres only one winner here and its not you.
Yep we know its animal nature to kill other animals but if you look back in the thread most people that have commented on this issue are blaming the owner and not the dog.

If the dogs that attacked me are not dangerous then maybee you can tell me why i have a permanent pain in my finger from the yorkie attack.
As for the poodle, If they are not dangerous why were they bred as hunting dogs?.
I do not wish to start an argument but to state that small dogs are not dangerous is pretty irresponsible.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Arguably quite a lot. Take cigarettes. Everyone knows (or should know) that they are very dangerous things which kill you. So what does it say for the inteligence and common sense of people who still decide to smoke them?

I have heard at least one smoker (who has absolutely no medical training at all) claim that smoking is not harmful to health.

Still that's another debate. This is about pitbulls.

I thought pitbulls were supposed to be outlawed under the 1991 Dangerous Dogs Act. Does anyone know what the Act actually specfified as regards pitbulls?

Yeehah - bring on the generalisations baby

I smoke and have a tattoo yet my job is to look after a Banks computer network.

Does that make me less intelligent than a nonsmoking, nontattooed binman? (No offense to Binmen)

Do us all a favour and shut TFU.

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Just out of interest did this dog owner have tattoos and a fag in his mouth.

Of course I could be wrong but I'm guessing that this man was not, shall we say, of the higher social classes and perhaps not of the highest intelligence either.

There seems to be something about pit bulls, rottwiellers etc that appeals to a certain type of person.

WOW what a very intelligent remark!!. i have numerous prominent tattoos, though i dont smoke i'm sure my 4 facial piercings make up for that in your mind. i own a staffordshire bull terrier. so if you saw me in the st you assume i'm a thug and you are a higher class than me, you are more intelligent, and i cant be fit to look after the dog? bit narrow minded dont you think?

Here, here. Spot on, fredsredhat!

my Xbred dog got savagely attacked in Longley park by a small white staffy which was with its owner but managed to cause at least 8 serious bites and has left my dog slightly lame in one leg.

Another big brindle dog tried to attack him, but between us we scared it off. It stalked us for a couple of weeks first though.

ITs SO selfish, stupid and lazy, don't they realise how much upset they cause other people? Its irresponsible and they don't deserve to be dog-owners. I really wish it was possible to have these dogs confiscated.

You could try the dog warden service, they do visit and advise/warn owners in these circumstances and if a dog has attacked other animals they can do something about it, but only with owners permission I suspect. Worth a try tho' they're part of the local council - you can get them via the main switchboard.

How long before one of them kills another dog or a person get their hands or legs in between them and suffers a serious wound. I nearly waded in when mine was attacked. It only takes a brave child, out with a dog for a possible devastating incident!

Would recommend everyone to report incidents to the warden's in this area and maybe we can get these particular dogs either under proper control or removed from their owners.

Originally posted by vidster
Speaking of which, Why do people take pleasure in pointing out that all powerfull dogs(pitbulls/german sheperds/rottweilers/staffies/akitas etc) are vicious attacking machines?.

Is it perhaps they are on the dangerous dogs list?? Maybe have something to do with it. Though the Akita has recently been taken off the dangerous dogs act...which is probably no help to this guy (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/viewarticle2.aspx?ArticleID=844426&SectionID=58&Search=akita&Searchtype=any&SearchSection=58&DateFrom=011995&DateTo=082004&Page=1&ReturnPage=Results.aspx) .

I am certainly not against these breeds I have family members who own every single one. My sis-in-law has an akita, my best mate owns two Staffies, I have to say although quite frightening to look at they are really lovable creatures if reared properly and responsibly. My sister has a German Shepherd which is actually the family favourite and my niece has a rottweiler. If these breeds are raised responsibly and with proper research into the breed then the possiblity of them being a danger to others is minimised.

I do say minimised however because ANY dog can attack if not trreated and trained properly. As you have stated vidster even the most harmless of dogs can have a nasty bite.

Moon Maiden

Originally posted by vidster
If the dogs that attacked me are not dangerous then maybee you can tell me why i have a permanent pain in my finger from the yorkie attack.
As for the poodle, If they are not dangerous why were they bred as hunting dogs?.
I do not wish to start an argument but to state that small dogs are not dangerous is pretty irresponsible. The answer to that is you may have a permanent pain in your finger, had it been a Rottie,Pitbull chances are you would now be disabled if your lucky or even dead.
Big difference there I think.

Sad to see yet again dogs getting bad press.
There is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners
I've owned two Xalsatians a black german shepherd and a white akita. With firm control and good training I think a dog has a much better life as they looked to me as the alpha male.
Obviously akita's are very head strong and wilful but if you are a responsible owner and understand your dog with an akita you just keep it on a decent running leash at all times whilst being out and about.
May I repeat 'there is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners'.

*sigh* no one is actually blaming the dogs.

There is however remarks that certain breeds of dog should have their owners monitored simply because if you are not able to train them adequately the dogs become a liability.

As an owner of a fighting breed (akita) I am sure you can appreciate this. I know my mate is fed up of her dogs getting bad press because irresponsible morons decide to take on a staffie cos it looks 'ard.

Moon

Some people obviously do hold the dog responsible, comments about putting dogs down or the disgusting idea from Robbie.
It's a shame that the RSPCA aren't given the powers to remove 'dogs at risk' from bad owners or better still get the owners to take compulsory dog handling classes, if they don't complete it they lose the right to own a dog.

We have a dog we 'rescued' and pay £10 a year to have him on the Sheffield CC registration scheme. The main benefit of course is that if he ever 'escapes' and is picked up he'll be boarded free of charge until we can collect him. But the other aspect is that if he gets into trouble we are easily identifiable as his owners; which makes liability insurance a good idea, - but how many owners bother with that ? Perhaps another apsect of dog ownership that should be compulsory.

I really wish the council had the authority to impose this scheme on all dog owners, and that all dogs had by law to be on a lead when out in a public place.

Dangerous breeds aren't the problem....dangerous owners are :rolleyes:

Hi wallbuilder

Unfortunately I believe the law states that if a dog bites a person it has to be put down. I could be wrong on this but that is what I have been led to believe.
Which I agree is unfair on the dog if it hasn't been trained and socialised properly, it will simply follow it's instintcs.

Also the RSPCA are pushed at the moment to resuce the vast majority of animals who are abused and beaten. A number of cases I have been personally associated with has left me utterly dumbfounded at the impotence of the RSPCA due to red tape and legal work they 'must' complete. So it is a shame they are not given powers at all!

There should be laws and requirements brought in - but who is going to run it and who will police it? We have enough threads on site about everything our police don't do in favour of 'seemingly' petty offences.

What is this Sheffield CC Registration Greybeard? Do you have any site links :)

Moon

if you train your dogs properly they never go far from your side and stay where you leave them when you go away - so no need to register with any of the retrieval services - its an effort to train a dog, but SO worth it, and its you that learns not the dog, once you've done it right you can do it over and over, with every dog you have., they just respond naturally.

also no need for a leash once you know how, your dog can be under close control without it, can walk mine thru, sheep, playgrounds, chicken yards, etc, only problem is with other peoples horrid dogs that don't behave or run loose, even cats are not a problem. So I do use a leash most of the time.

honestly recommend training, its fun, you find out a lot about yourself as well, you end up with a much easier life as handling your dogs is simpler.

think challenging animals of any sort should be controlled somehow, both breeding and owning, to avoid trophyism and ensure public safety.

My welsh terrier (which was on a lead ) was attacked by a japenese nikita ( un leashed) in hillsborough park and bitten, he was only saved by my partner who kicked the dog off. when he had a go at the owner who was running up, she said nothing!! belive me if I was there a bit more than a gentle telling off would have been in order.
it would have been a police job...

A dog does not have to be put down, It must be proved that a dog is dangerous first. Also the owners could force the Police to obtain Court Orders for this. We have a dog close to us. The moron that owns it is an idiot. He has just destroyed a Rottweiler. Now he has a Pit Bull. The Pit Bull has just made a mess of the mans niece. Bit her face wide open. But, The dog is still with him. The family concerned will not complain. Well I feel sorry for the niece she is only 2 yrs old. I am thinling of contacting Social Services, For what good they may be. These irresponsible dog owners, That have large dogs to " protect them ". ha ha. Destroy the pets. It is not the dogs that are the problem, As we have heard time again, It is the owners. Yet to bring in compulsory dog registration would be unfair to the responsible dog owner. There are laws now, The Dangerous Dogs Law. But the Police do not enforce this law. I sympathize with them. It should not be their job to check out dogs etc. We do find as someone has already said. Owners of these dogs seem to be scruffs, Walking about with spliffs in their mouths. I may add living in filthy homes, Fiddling the dole. And in one case I know of defrauding the sickness benefits and the DLA system. This person I know of is a fit person, But drives around in a disabled registered car. Never done a decent days work. His girlfriend whom he lives with is the same as he is. Yet they seem to do well out of the system. Well Folks This is another debate..One I guess that would provoke a lot of arguement.

Well I don't understand why the license was dropped instead of putting it up to a couple of hundred quid a year.

Tax the buggers away from dogs of all kinds!

Tony


The license was dropped because they said it was out of date, and, too expensive to administer. But, As you say it could have been increased. Yes ! The do gooders would have a field day. If a license system was re-introduced But, There are ways to help those dog lovers that care for their dogs. The fee could assist towards vets fees, Insurance etc, Even to chipping the dog. Also This would be a form of registration, This would cut down on the stray dogs, Locate irresponsible owners. Pay for a better dog warden scheme.

Tony, I myself would love another dog. Mine died of old age some time ago. I had an alsation that was so human, It was family. I was upset that I lost it. I could never afford to buy another one. Though I would love to. Kennels, charge too much now. One thing I find ilogical is the RSPCA. If a dog is not found a home after a certain length of time, It is " Put Down ". This is wrong. Though some people cannot afford to buy a dog, This Does not mean that they cannot afford to keep one.

Yes by all means lets have a return to the license system. But, I have a feeling that this will give cause to some activists to object.

just to add to the debate.I agree that the owners are mostly to blame for the bad behaviour of their dogs, inmany cases most of the anti social happenings are driven by ignorance rather than design, however I do fee that cartain breeds of dog are more than likely to cause friction and agression when in a public place and unsupervised or inadequately supervised.

I do think that these dogs, pit bulls, nikitas etc should be on a lead in public........and supervised by someone able to control them.
My welsh terrier is sweet natured but naturally subborn, he always had to be on the lead...where as my scottie will happily walk to heel........

there has tobe some commone sense here........

crowfan

That is why I feel registration of dogs would be welcome by most responsible dog owners. But,, Would it be right for some one with a small corgi, Jack Russell etc. to have to pay the same registration fee as someone with a large animal, ie, Akita, Rottweiler, Pit Bulls. Certain breeds of dog should be the subject of special licensing. Also Insurance. As with cars registration and insurance. If all dogs were to where a tag such as a car has a registration / tax certificate. I am sorry for using cars as an example. We love our pets, They are to some of us a part of the family. As with many other pleasures this is spoilt by the morons. " Hey! Look I gotta big dog " attitude. These people make me sick. They are not animal lovers. They are bullies that also turn their pets into the same as they are. Even a psychiatrist would have problems with this type of person.

Right on Rodgers.

What gets me though is all these so called hard cases, usually big fat gits in replica football shirts, walking the streets with a dog that resembles a badly drawn cartoon character showing of it's arse and nuts.

You can almost read the dog's thoughts. 'What have I done to deserve being seen in public with this cretin?'

markham

That reminds me of a post card I saw once in the U.S. It was of a Bulldog with a fat bloke. The Fat bloke was wearing a bowler hat jeans half way down his butt. a T-Shirt with a Union Jack design. I do not know if you can imagine it, Or if you get the joke. I certainly didn't. There was no caption on the card either. Mind, American humour takes some understanding.

If the dogs could talk, I wander just what they would say about us humans..

On the serious side, I am surprised that dogs stay loyal to their owners, Even when they are mistreated and abused.. We find it easier to put mad dogs down rather than retrain them or put them in a safer environment. Maybe we should do the same to some mad humans. Put them down....

Yes, its always the dog that gets it in the neck isn't it.

I once read that a dog that has been mistreated never HATES humans, it just MISTRUSTS them. God knows what goes through their minds.

As for the US postcard, is it possible it was a modern version of the old John Bull posters?

dogs are often bought as "badges" as part of a uniform to boost the confidence and status of the owner, which is rather unfantile and immature, however as it has been highlighted that some people (men) need big cars, a busty blonde to boost their ego and some people need dogs and indeed kids!! (dare I say) to do the same..........

far do's I say as long as it doesnt harm people..........and you know who gets hurt ? the dogs and indeed kids of people who need them as a symbol of sucess etc....

I am just so sad that so many people have so little self awareness.