Firth Park (or was it Fir Vale ?) on the National BBC News tonight. A piece about the police rounding up kids and taking them home after the 9 pm curfew. Shouldn't they be giving the parents on the spot fines. ?

Haven't seen any publicity about this but it was said the scheme is operating in four areas of Sheffield.

since when has there been a curfew in place?

I thought the scheme was in place for Firth Park, Page Hall , Wincobank and Shiregreen - get all the scallies, chavs and uptonogooders rounded up and locked up.

Nice to see the Police acting proactively..

Plus it was raining, so they'd would have got wet had they stayed out..

Theres a scheme around Meersbrook as well - hoping for one around here :D

Come on - where are all the moans about the Police wasting their time giving kids lifts home?

Surely, this is the job of Social Services (whatever branch), they should police the curfew and take the little darlings home?

I want the Police doing their job, not child minding.

Originally posted by Tony
Come on - where are all the moans about the Police wasting their time giving kids lifts home?


Er, isn't this one?

Surely, this is the job of Social Services (whatever branch), they should police the curfew and take the little darlings home?


And what if the little darlings aren't little or darlings? How many social workers do you know who are trained in restraint techniques?


I want the Police doing their job, not child minding.

Yes, they should be out there checking on dodgy number plates.

Originally posted by Alex C.
Theres a scheme around Meersbrook as well - hoping for one around here :D

We had a two month trial round my area. There were loads of kids congregating around a small shopping precint. It's part of the ASBO scheme.

Any kids in the area were escorted home by the police.

Yes, it worked. There were no gangs of kids hanging around the shops drinking alcopops and harassing people walking past.

BUT, it just meant they went somewhere else. In this case it was a bit of waste scrubland behind some houses. This resulted in people's fences being broke down and bottles thrown into the gardens.

As it was a good few hundred yards from any road or path, the police patrols didn't pick it up. At least on the shops they could be observed.

Is it not also the job of the Parents to make sure their offspring aren't out terrorising the Neighbourhood when they shouldn't be?!

Originally posted by Greybeard
Firth Park (or was it Fir Vale ?) on the National BBC News tonight. A piece about the police rounding up kids and taking them home after the 9 pm curfew. Shouldn't they be giving the parents on the spot fines. ?

Haven't seen any publicity about this but it was said the scheme is operating in four areas of Sheffield. the bit of the report i saw said it was in somewhere called 'Firth Vale'! aah, good ol BBC.

The report was kinda rubbish really, kept going on about how its made a real improivement to the area - but ignored the comment from one kid about how most of the actual 'troublemakers' just wandered a couple of hundred yards down the road at ten to nine, and seemed to think that because its quiet now its going to be a success when the curfews are lifted (are they all Sept 1st?)

& why should the parents be fined? It isn't actually a crime to be out on the streets after 9 during school holidays.

Max, ref: this post (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=153623#post153623)
I was referring to the suggestion that the Police are taking random (all?) kids home because they are out after 9pm, not becaue they are the especially 'naughty' ones, whom should of course be dealt with properly as required.

Social Services have dedicated youth workers who spend time on the streets (as opposed to teaching ping pong in yoof klubz). With the assistance of a council mini-bus it would be a good opportunity to get closer to kids and help them become good citizens.

Personally, I don't agree with blanket curfews, but I would rapidly tag known problem kids to ensure that THEY were in bed nice and early.

So, the police then have to determine whether the kids are good kids or bad kids. If they are deemed to be good kids then they call out super social worker and his side kick super do gooder to take those kids home. If they're bad kids then they, the police, escort them home. :loopy:

What happens if the good kids were PRETENDING???? Once in the "council mini-bus" they rip off their outer persona to reveal ..........

A BAD KID.

Max... sometimes you crack me up! :D:thumbsup: :P

Originally posted by commie pig

& why should the parents be fined? It isn't actually a crime to be out on the streets after 9 during school holidays.


If there is a curfew in force presumably it has some legal standing ?...and it seems I was mistaken in thinking there was some penalty involved for the parents of the kids caught out in the curfew. [perhaps there should be for second and subsequent offences ?]

I only have the hoary old idea of parental responsibility to fall back on. Sadly some parents seem happy to have their children out of sight and out of mind. Having a child brought home by a policeman might help them be more aware of their responsibilities, though I can see some will think it a needless waste of resources.

OTOH it's a good thing to see policemen actually out of their cars, out in the community and talking to the kids.

the curfew has legal standing, but i dont think that simply being on the street is breaking it (if that makes sense). If an under-16 is on the street, the cops can move them on, and arrest them if they refuse - but it would, I think, be under some other 'ordinary' bit of law that that arrest would be made, same as it ever was.

To be honest I'm getting a bit fed up with all this ASBO stuff. Rather than spending loads of money on curfew schemes wouldn't it be an idea on spending it on creating some facilities for the kids.

I know that some may be 'bad' but the vast majority are just bored and have nothing to do. I'm sure if your honest many of us hung about in small groups when we were this age. The only difference is that now everyone seems to shout ASBO.

Today is very different from when I grew up (I'm '38') and kids are used to being stimulated, after all it is the gameboy generation. Many parents either haven't the time or inclination to be involved with their teenage children. The council seems determined not to provide facilities for this age group and would rather persecute them through the ASBO schemes.

I'm afraid that its going to have to be communities that provide facilities and start educating these kids to be worthwhile citizens. If this isn't done then god help us when they are adults.

Originally posted by sanman
To be honest I'm getting a bit fed up with all this ASBO stuff. Rather than spending loads of money on curfew schemes wouldn't it be an idea on spending it on creating some facilities for the kids.

I know that some may be 'bad' but the vast majority are just bored and have nothing to do. I'm sure if your honest many of us hung about in small groups when we were this age. The only difference is that now everyone seems to shout ASBO.

Today is very different from when I grew up (I'm '38') and kids are used to being stimulated, after all it is the gameboy generation. Many parents either haven't the time or inclination to be involved with their teenage children. The council seems determined not to provide facilities for this age group and would rather persecute them through the ASBO schemes.

I'm afraid that its going to have to be communities that provide facilities and start educating these kids to be worthwhile citizens. If this isn't done then god help us when they are adults.

I agree with you but for the time being maybe while the kids are couped up at home the parents may invest some time in them.

After that they may appreciate some facilities that could be provided as being around their parents for so long, who knows, needlecraft may be suddenly very appealing.

i live in the firth park area and have heard about the curfew! i heard that if kids get seen out after half nine they get taken home and the parents get a £50 fine!not sure how true the fine bit is!! seems to be working though not seen as many kids about!