Just installed the latest service pack for Microsoft and now when i start my pc up it runs like a complete pos for about the first 5-10 mins,its sooooooooooooooooooooooooo slow,anyone else having this problem?? Anyone know how to fix it??
Also when your using IE it plays a really :mad: really :evil: annoying beep everytime you open a new window. Can someone please tell me how to turn it off before the pc goes out of the window!!

Bad time to tell you this but various corporates are actually holding fire on upgrading to SP2 because of various 'undocumented features'. IBM have held off until Microsoft assure them that the SP will not crap all over internal IBM applications.

Glad I stuck with Windows 2000 / 98......

Joe

There's a list about as long as your arm (and steadily increasing) of all the apps which Service Pack 2 busts.

It may make your computer more secure, but it does it by breaking it so nobody can use it!

Oh b******S :( .....................

Think it might be time to try a uninstall,or is it to late for that?? :(

Use system restore to remove it. It sets a restore point just before it installs. I've removed it twice using this method.

It keeps breaking my wireless network :mad:

Originally posted by Hal9001
It keeps breaking my wireless network :mad:

My wireless networks been fine (i'll f*** that up myself when i try sorting the bluetooth tomorrow :| )just seems to have crapped out everything else! Thanx for the tip on the system restore,i'll sort it using that.

I haven't downloaded it yet but have read some of the stuff it changes and there are some pretty major security improvements (no doubt full of bugs, but atleast they are trying). Do they warn you that they are about to turn your PC into Fort Knox with you on the inside and anything you might ever want to access/use on the outside before you install it?

I think its all the security stuff what makes it run so slowy when it starts up. On my pc it was taking 5-10 before i was actually able to use anything. From what i've read about it (which isn't much) the main improved security (pain in the a**), improved and quicker IE,tho i haven't noticed anything apart from that :evil: beep :evil: and stuff like WMP9.
On some of the other forums i read people have been really happy and thats why i installed it. I don't know weather its just my machine or whatever but it wont be going back on,its just to much trouble. All the stuff it apparently improves you can easily fix yourself. (firewall,antivirus,pop-up blocker ect)

i've installed it on 2 machines. One went like a dream. The other a nightmare.
I don't know what it did, although i have an idea, but it's taken me hours to get back to a stable state, touch wood.
It somehow did something to the NTAuthority/NetworService account which stopped the rpc service starting. Unfortunately nearly everything depends on that service, so no restore points, no uninstall, no network, no reinstall (needed crypto service).

I've managed to get the machine back on it's feet by hacking the registry and changing the account that the rpc service starts under... and i'm now trying the install again. Failign that i'll back it out and stay at sp1 on that machine.

Typical as well that it was my mail/web server that went down, and random browsing pc that works fine!

I am no expert on these matters by ant means

I always think you should leave things like this to settle down before trying them

ie, don`t be a gunea? guniea? lab rat

I am sure that most pc`s have been running fine without it

I use adaware 6 freedown load
pop-up stopper free download
Norton antivirus 03 free if you can get it
xp firewall set up
worm blaster

and have no problems with broadband and 160 hard drive

maybe I will a few months or wait for a stable lomghorn instead

life is but a dream...cheers.

V.

Originally posted by venger
maybe I will a few months or wait for a stable lomghorn instead

You'll be waiting a while ;)

To be honest.. having seen what the service pack does and how it really does push the security angle and finally thwaps people upside the head about windows update, I'm actually GLAD it's coming out..

A large number of the "hi, a friend suggested I call you" 3 hour tech support calls I get from clients and non-clients alike, boil down to total lack of ANY basic computer security measures...

That said... it's going to be a big download when it comes out... If anyone is stuck on a Dial up connection and really does want a copy, I'll happily pop it on a CD and send it out to anyone local, IF you support Dick Dastardly in his sponsorship quest... ;)

Like you said, it's all down to the mentality of the users. I personally believe that PCs are too complicated for most. They were originally business machines and the architecture hasn't changed. They can't understand the concept of individual components to say the least.

PC re-sellers are also to blame, bundling in basic or no anti-virus software. Most thrown in Norton AV but that only runs for three months.

I've installed it, takes ages and monkeys around with your settings, but worth the pain I think. I don't use IE for surfing (I use Firefox) but pop up blocking is long overdue in IE as is a Windows firewall. The wireless support seems to be a lot more robust, which is a good thing.

We had a few issues with some of the software we write at work, but it didn't take long to overcome them, and the rollout to the Sheffield office was succesful.

You will find oodles of good + bad comments on the BBC site here :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3576006.stm

You can have your say there too :P

I just downloaded it, Ill slipstream it into my copy of XP Pro sometime at the weekend, and next time my machine needs a good clearout and fresh windows install, I might give it a try.

I have installed XP SP2 on both machines at home as have a couple of colleagues. We've also put it on one test machine in the office. The only problems encountered were one guy found it conflicted with his existing firewall software at home and the wireless network drivers were iffy. I found it couldn't detect my existing firewall and antivirus so I had to disable the whole new security bit which rather defeats the purpose.

I'd say not to install it unless you're technically competent to overcome problems like that on your own. Otherwise leave it till Mr Gates comes up with something simpler. As someone else pointed out, there's a whole raft of free software that will help protect you.

Originally posted by slh73
I just downloaded it, Ill slipstream it into my copy of XP Pro sometime at the weekend, and next time my machine needs a good clearout and fresh windows install, I might give it a try.

According to Microsoft today, the XP Pro version of the service pack hasn't been released yet becuase of some 'issues' still to be resolved.

MS has posted a list of programs which may not work after installation of the service pack here:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130

Originally posted by alchresearch
According to Microsoft today, the XP Pro version of the service pack hasn't been released yet becuase of some 'issues' still to be resolved.

MS has posted a list of programs which may not work after installation of the service pack here:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=884130

WTF?! hardly seems worth the install if it breaks a list of programs THAT big... It would be especially bad for me as I NEED to use Nero 6 to burn DVDs and stuff.

That's only the HALF of it!

This list is of programs that do work but require modification:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242

Lets hope XP SP2 is compatible with Windows XP :P

There's been a security flaw found in it already!

http://www.theregister.com/2004/08/20/sp2_scripting_vuln/

Originally posted by alchresearch
That's only the HALF of it!

This list is of programs that do work but require modification:

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242
Not to be slightly amazed here but the whole basis of that knowledge base article is that the firewall WORKS!!

It's a firewall, the whole point is that it stops un-authorised stuff going out as well as it stops stuff going in... So of course it's going to stop FTP clients, games that use the net, etc... until you've configured the client properly.

The fact that windows firewall is dire at best is moot...

What MS have mucked up is that they haven't communicated exactly what the service pack does properly.. or more accurately the media haven't... They just scream.. Ooh look, more security without explaining the implications... and let's face it people don't use firewalls, have their systems owned in a matter of days and bingo, spam, trojans and DDOS's prevail..


So, turning around and calling this service pack a bad move or saying it "breaks" things is uninformed at best... scaremongering at worst.. It doesn't "break" things.. but it does require a little effort to reconfigure things to work with the new security.

As has been noted in the past, the use of a computer requires learning new skills and because of the script kiddies and crackers (what most people think of as hackers) we have to learn those skills fast... It's no different from using a bike.. you learn skills that keep you safe.. the good news is that you won't lose your life on a computer if you get it wrong.



EDIT: Ok... spent a little more time on this and it's a little ironic but ok.. my bad.. I've found that it does indeed break some programs.. Many, in fact that it should be supporting because they enhance the security... The points I made above relating to the firewall though still count as far as that MS knowledgebase article is concerned.

At the same time.. the other software vendors will have had a chance to work with this update and fix problems.. so it's not JUST M$.. Oh and just for the record I'm not an M$ apologist... I work on Linux mainly... :)

SP2 also, finally, has brings native bluetooth support to windows....

I'll give it 6 months before I install it, should be ok by then.

Interesting to note that at the moment Microsoft are advising their employees that they will not be updating their corporate infrastructure to SP2.

Originally posted by Martin_s
What MS have mucked up is that they haven't communicated exactly what the service pack does properly.. or more accurately the media haven't... They just scream.. Ooh look, more security without explaining the implications... and let's face it people don't use firewalls, have their systems owned in a matter of days and bingo, spam, trojans and DDOS's prevail..

Actually, it's not days, it's 20 minutes on average (http://news.com.com/Study%3A%2BUnpatched%2BPCs%2Bcompromised%2Bin%2B20 %2Bminutes/2100-7349_3-5313402.html).

Originally posted by sanman
Interesting to note that at the moment Microsoft are advising their employees that they will not be updating their corporate infrastructure to SP2.

No, they're installing Linux instead!

Anybody successfully installed SP2 yet?

I have had mega probs for the last couple of weeks since I tried to install it. It downloaded successfully (or so I thought) even though it took 6 hours. Then tried to instal but cos it had failed to download all components it just jammed up. I couldn't get into the computer at all and it cost a fortune to get somebody to sort it.

Starting from scratch with a fresh installation of XP is a nightmare having to set everything back up again and get all the updates on AV and Windows again.

Am I likely to have a better experience trying to instal it on cd or shall I give it a wide birth for a time incase they iron out the problems it seems to be causing?

I have installed it and had no problems (so far), I do have broadband though, not sure I would have attempted it on dial up.
It took me probably about 1 hour.

Can you get the CD? sounds like a better option.

Originally posted by Mo
Anybody successfully installed SP2 yet?
Yes... I've been installing the BIG 80gb patch that's used by systems administrators for Home and Pro versions.. So far haven't hit any problems at all, and that's with over 30 machines patched..

I have had mega probs for the last couple of weeks since I tried to install it. It downloaded successfully (or so I thought) even though it took 6 hours. Then tried to instal but cos it had failed to download all components it just jammed up. I couldn't get into the computer at all and it cost a fortune to get somebody to sort it.
Erk, that can't have been fun...

Starting from scratch with a fresh installation of XP is a nightmare having to set everything back up again and get all the updates on AV and Windows again.

Am I likely to have a better experience trying to instal it on cd or shall I give it a wide birth for a time incase they iron out the problems it seems to be causing? [/B]
Well I've not had any problems this end and a fresh install is less likely to hit any issues than an in use one... In fact if you're starting from scratch you'd do well to take a peek here:

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=169727#post169727

That might help you avoid a lot of heartache and unncessary expense in the future..

i had some connection issues with SP2.

it reported that my lan or broadband connection had limited or no connectivity when there didnt seem any problem to me.

other than that i definately suggest it as a good thing.

however i was lucky enough to dwnld it in mins.

We're on Broadband and installed it no problem.

Had no problems either since.

Installed it on both machines at home no problem (downloaded via broadband) and had no issues with it since. But I have turned off all the new security stuff coz I already had a router with built-in firewall plus Norton AntiVirus and AdAware. We've installed it on machines at work and again no issues there.

Looks like it's just me then. I wonder if the fact that i'm on dial up has anything to do with it as you all seem to be on BB?

It's not just you at all MO. I visit several forums and on each one there are loads of people having problems with sp2!
I have'nt installed it yet, infact i have'nt even ordered it yet!. I'm going to wait a couple more weeks and then order it from Microsoft. By then most problems will have been figured out and hopefully the disk's that are sent out will be updated.

Do'nt forget to make a restore point before installing :)

Microsoft XP Service Pack 2 is given away on Octobers edition of PC Plus, if you cant or dont want to download it.

Excuse my ignorance but what does it do? Is it worth having?

Originally posted by coopster1974
Excuse my ignorance but what does it do? Is it worth having?
If you have a system that you've regularly updated from windows update, have a current Anti Virus, firewall AND some form of spyware checker (eg: Adaware, Search & Destory)... then it's not vital...

However SP2 will be the basis for other updates in the future and overall the pack does close or limit a fair few security holes that could cause problems in the future...

If you want more information check the MS web site...

Please dont install SP2-

I work for a large bank in the UK as a techie and we have run in to literally hundreds of problems at the minute with people complaining how crap it is.. please dont install it for the minute!

And we have it on good authority that the new firewall on
SP2 takes 2 mins to hack so please again dont use it!

I disabled everything i could in the new security centre as soon as i installed sp2 on my main cpu. I have'nt had any problems apart from loads of sh*t being 'pinned' to startup for no reason so i guess i got off lightly!

Originally posted by ANGELUS
Please dont install SP2-

I work for a large bank in the UK as a techie and we have run in to literally hundreds of problems at the minute with people complaining how crap it is.. please dont install it for the minute!


hmmmm bank - sheffield - techie = HSBC by any chance?

I just installed SP2 today... have only just started to use XP after years of 98, so I just clicked on somthing and bang there it was.
The whole process was over before I knew it, I disabled the firewall but apart from that I cant say I have had any probs.
we also use B.B

Nope - not HSBC!
I work for Barclays and Lloyds Bank!

I wouldnt trust SP2 with my life at the minute.. their supposed firewall was disabled in under 5 mins by one of techies just to show what a shambles the pack is.

Originally posted by ANGELUS
I wouldnt trust SP2 with my life at the minute.. their supposed firewall was disabled in under 5 mins by one of techies just to show what a shambles the pack is.
As I've said elsewhere... (thread merge maybe?)

SP2 involves a LOT more than just windows firewall...

Telling people not to install something that will undoubtedly improve their systems security is just plain nuts...

Windows firewall is no good, granted, but 2 clicks and it's turned off and an alternative such as zonealarm can plug most of the issues raised by Angelus... well the ONLY issue raised by him frankly.

You are far better off installing it and carrying out further measures to secure your system than not doing so at all.

I'll second the thread merge!.
Maybe Microsoft should have released it as 'SP2 Beta', then all the people that are knocking it would shut up!

Threads merged, thanks.

I'm having problems with certain parts of Java at the moment, and was told that it may have been because of SP2...? Can anyone confirm?? And if so, will it all come good in the end?

Originally posted by BoroughGal
I'm having problems with certain parts of Java at the moment, and was told that it may have been because of SP2...? Can anyone confirm?? And if so, will it all come good in the end?
Without knowing what sort of problems you're having it'd be hard to diagnose the issue but there was an update for the web-start java client so that might help...

At a guess though you're probably seeing issues that are firewall related and some judicious tinkering with the settings should help. I'd avoid windows own firewall and use possibly zonealarm or one of the others mentioned in the zonealarm vs windows firewall thread.

Additionally, worth checking your browsers security settings to see if scripts are being blocked...

Hope that helps :)

You're too good to me you know!

Thanks again!

ok, sp2 just downloaded and installed and now I can't connect Call Of Duty to play online, any idea how I can unlock it?

i got a message asking what I wanted to do and I clicked 'unblock', reattempted t o connect and still no joy.

Any ideas?

hmmmmmm

have disabled the new windows firewall as am running norton but still no connection for the game... :confused:

Originally posted by spook
ok, sp2 just downloaded and installed and now I can't connect Call Of Duty to play online, any idea how I can unlock it?

i got a message asking what I wanted to do and I clicked 'unblock', reattempted t o connect and still no joy.

Any ideas?
It's more than likely the windows firewall. Have you got any other firewalls installed?. If you have you can disable the windows firewall in services. START/CONTROL PANEL/ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS/SERVICES. Find the windows firewall and right click on it. select properties. change the startup type to Disabled and re-start your pc.

(EDIT) Did'nt get to the post reply before you re-posted spook. :hihi:

hi Vidster - tried it the way you suggested too but still no joy -aaaaargh! :mad:

Have you tried changing the compatibility mode on the game?.Right click on the game icon.Select properties. Select compatibility and change the compatibility mode.

I am only guessing here as i have never heard of this problem before.
Try having a look at www.tweakxp.com . they have a section dedicated to sp2 problems.

have uninstalled sp2 but still no joy.

Try a system restore. Parts of sp2 may have been left behind after uninstalling.

done that as well with still no joy. Now going to bed with a right monk on!

But thanks for help anyway :thumbsup:

If that's the only havoc sp2 has caused you Spook then you should consider yourself lucky ;)

I have heard from a friend that the download is unreliable and is full of bugs. aparently...though I have not tested this myself...if you can get hold of a disk with the service pack on it should be okay.

Moon

In most instances... given that SP2 has now been out for a while... if you hit a particular issue the smartest thing to do is start googling for answers...

Careful choice of keywoards should invariably help provide an answer... Perseverence is key...

As for the problem you mention... my guess would actually be a firewall issue or some other problem brought about by port changes... It may be that reinstalling the service pack will resolve it... but it may also be that there's a patch for the game or that reinstalling the game itself may help...

There's bound to be a help forum or FAQ article for it though that will help provide some answers.