Is it me or does there seem to be a shortage of places playing RnB these days, especially in pubs. More or loss all the bars on west street now play funky house or alternative music but nowhere is playing the all faithfull RnB. :huh:

Wilko Johnson is on at the Boardwalk soon.

You are joking? That's all you get at the weekends! I'm trying to lessen the amount!!

You are joking? That's all you get at the weekends! I'm trying to lessen the amount!!

????? :confused: ?????

Where?, I know Empire bar still plays RnB but hate that place with a passion! Go on West Street every week and only place that plays anything like is The Bedroom, but still this is normally chart stuff.

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Where?, I know Empire bar still plays RnB but hate that place with a passion! Go on West Street every week and only place that plays anything like is The Bedroom, but still this is normally chart stuff.

I agree with you on the hatred of empire bar!! :D

I agree with you on the hatred of empire bar!! :D

I think hatred is a strong word, dislike or dont like is more appropriate.:)
For real upfront R&B sheffield is seriously struggling.

This monday Trevor Nelson (Radio 1) will be playing at the Sheffield University, featuring Greg Robinson (Warner / Atlantic / Bad boy records)
Should be a good night.

This monday Trevor Nelson (Radio 1) will be playing at the Sheffield University, featuring Greg Robinson (Warner / Atlantic / Bad boy records)
Should be a good night.

Do you have to be a student to get in tho? :huh:

I think hatred is a strong word, dislike or dont like is more appropriate.:)

Put it this way Id rather eat worms than go in so maybe dislike is too soft a word! :hihi:

love Trevor Nelson, will find out more info for monday!

i was only thinking the same the other day, that majority of music being played of late is the sounds of green day, feeder, ??etc(sorry dont know many of the names, but is the sort of music me hubby listens to.)

i am a big fan of RnB and agree that i very rarely come across it on my nights out.

Now here's a good question - What do you mean by RnB?

I've always regarded it as 'Rhythm and Blues' - the afore mentioned Wilko Jonnson, Graham Parker, Walter Trout....dirty blues guitar.

I assume you mean what I've heard described as 'Urban'?

Do you have to be a student to get in tho? :huh:

No every one welcome

tickets £6, more on the door

Now here's a good question - What do you mean by RnB?

I've always regarded it as 'Rhythm and Blues' - the afore mentioned Wilko Jonnson, Graham Parker, Walter Trout....dirty blues guitar.

I assume you mean what I've heard described as 'Urban'?

I don't class any of those as R&B either. You really should have said Aretha Franklyn, Dionne Warwick, James Brown, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Ray Charles or even Fats Domino.

Urban is a STRICTLY UK title that can mean hip hop also and UK garage, drum n bass:)

Now here's a good question - What do you mean by RnB?

I've always regarded it as 'Rhythm and Blues' - the afore mentioned Wilko Jonnson, Graham Parker, Walter Trout....dirty blues guitar.

I assume you mean what I've heard described as 'Urban'?

Ahh the familiar refrain of outraged middle aged rockers to use of the term "R&B" in its original and most universally used meaning

R&B has been used since at least the early 50s to describe black pop music. The term was high jacked in the 60s/70s by white pub rock bands playing their versions of 40s/50s US black r&b. But as the term has been used consistantly for at least 50 years to describe different progressions of black pop music - i think they've got a better claim to it...

Ahh the familiar refrain of outraged middle aged rockers to use of the term "R&B" in its original and most universally used meaning

R&B has been used since at least the early 50s to describe black pop music. The term was high jacked in the 60s/70s by white pub rock bands playing their versions of 40s/50s US black r&b. But as the term has been used consistantly for at least 50 years to describe different progressions of black pop music - i think they've got a better claim to it...

Steady on - all I did was ask.

No need to bring my age in to it! And I don't get outraged about music - to be honest there's more in life to get peeved about than that!

Steady on - all I did was ask.

No need to bring my age in to it! And I don't get outraged about music - to be honest there's more in life to get peeved about than that!

Banter and opinions mate. thought i would bring your age in to it as i am closely catching up. I am not peeved, I did smile :)

Ahh the familiar refrain of outraged middle aged rockers to use of the term "R&B" in its original and most universally used meaning

R&B has been used since at least the early 50s to describe black pop music. The term was high jacked in the 60s/70s by white pub rock bands playing their versions of 40s/50s US black r&b. But as the term has been used consistantly for at least 50 years to describe different progressions of black pop music - i think they've got a better claim to it...

I think Mary J Blige would definately argue this point. Aaliyah rip,relation to the fabulous Thelma Houston (Whitney Houston) would also more than definately argue that.

Ah well, my knowledge is improved every day I'm on here. :)

I think Mary J Blige would definately argue this point. Aaliyah rip,relation to the fabulous Thelma Houston (Whitney Houston) would also more than definately argue that.


I appreciate the shifting sands between US Soul/Hip Hop/R&B are well beyond my limited knowledges of the genres... more making the point of its continued use for US black music.

btw - I'm in my late 30 s- so would take any age reference with a pinch of salt..

;)

you just dont get many young folk into 70s pub rock - so its mainly blokes in their late 30s/40s/50s to make the "its not proper R&B like XXXX (insert pub rock band)" comment which crops up quite frequently

you just dont get many young folk into 70s pub rock - so its mainly blokes in their late 30s/40s/50s to make the "its not proper R&B like XXXX (insert pub rock band)" comment which crops up quite frequently

It is a frequently-made point but maybe because it's seldom explained very well and ironically, some artists have been airbrushed out of its history as they don't fit the modern definition.

You're saying the Feelgoods/Stones/Yardbirds/Zep/[insert any 1960s/70s guitar band name] were never proper RnB, so never counted, being mere imitations of the original black blues singers (which those groups willingly concede). But that's the same point as the fat old pub rock bore moaning that Mary J Bilge or whoever isn't 'proper RnB'. Not sure where Hendrix, Love etc fit in here.

Labels, we love 'em. There's only two types of music - good and bad...etc

Click on the link for the best R & B in South Yorkshire.

I think Mary J Blige would definately argue this point. Aaliyah rip,relation to the fabulous Thelma Houston (Whitney Houston) would also more than definately argue that.and i would argue with them and you that they are basically soul and nothing to do with rnb. on a similar tip i wouldn't class the wonderful thelma houston as anything other that soul or disco

Is it me or does there seem to be a shortage of places playing RnB these days, especially in pubs. More or loss all the bars on west street now play funky house or alternative music but nowhere is playing the all faithfull RnB. :huh:
HI try uniq aka ice bar on carver street its got RnB on fridays and saturdays all night till 2 .

and i would argue with them and you that they are basically soul and nothing to do with rnb. on a similar tip i wouldn't class the wonderful thelma houston as anything other that soul or disco


discodown, I can tell your disgusted with the common word R&B. if you new your music history well the terminology R&B / soul is basically the same thing. soul (late 50's 60's, 70's to mid 80's). It is a combination with gospel vocals thats all as most of the singers had church backgrounds.
Thelma Houston, Dionne Warwick, Al Green IS old skool r&b, which IS if you wanna get scientific old skool disco as that is where house came from. Sam Cooke R&B (rhythm n blues).
Just because you do not like 21st century R&B because they use more electronics and hip hop does not mean it lacks soul. Jill Scott, Erykah Badu are prime examples.
I suggest get an American cable and watch old soul train re-runs

It is a frequently-made point but maybe because it's seldom explained very well and ironically, some artists have been airbrushed out of its history as they don't fit the modern definition.

You're saying the Feelgoods/Stones/Yardbirds/Zep/[insert any 1960s/70s guitar band name] were never proper RnB, so never counted, being mere imitations of the original black blues singers (which those groups willingly concede). But that's the same point as the fat old pub rock bore moaning that Mary J Bilge or whoever isn't 'proper RnB'. Not sure where Hendrix, Love etc fit in here.

Labels, we love 'em. There's only two types of music - good and bad...etc


Could not agree more Blige, If Teena Marie, was mentioned, now that is R&B / funk but no the tackiest money churning music thiefs in the industry. And please dont any one mention Elvis.

Don't know what all the fuss is about with r'n'b. Most r'n'b nights only end up full of idiots with loads of attitude thinking they're american gangsta rappers, innit anyway.

I know there's millions of people who love r'n'b, hip-hop, urban, garage etc, but in my opinion it's mostly crap! The less venues playin it the better.

Don't know what all the fuss is about with r'n'b. Most r'n'b nights only end up full of idiots with loads of attitude thinking they're american gangsta rappers, innit anyway.

I know there's millions of people who love r'n'b, hip-hop, urban, garage etc, but in my opinion it's mostly crap! The less venues playin it the better.

i think youll find that bar UNIQ has no attitude or wannabe gangstas in the premises as they simlpy dont get in!!!, its a lovely atmosphere and the customers are a great bunch of people that are there purley there to have a good night! I think youll find like you said millions of people love RnB hip hop garage etc! so the entertainment buisness cater for them aswell as other sorts of music for what other people want. UNIQ bar/club is very diverse as they have different kinds of music through the month for different tastes that people like and want from RIDDIMTION, HEADCHARGE and URBAN GORILLA.

Don't know what all the fuss is about with r'n'b. Most r'n'b nights only end up full of idiots with loads of attitude thinking they're american gangsta rappers, innit anyway.

I know there's millions of people who love r'n'b, hip-hop, urban, garage etc, but in my opinion it's mostly crap! The less venues playin it the better.

Bobby the fuss is all about R&B / Hip Hop because it is the biggest money making machine in music today. I can appreciate the fact you do not like it, as that is your personal opinion but to state that it is full of idiots with loads of attitude is very stereotypical and can be deemed as a racial comment. There are idiots that go to football matches but we still have football played. Back in the day Mods and Rockers used fight like there were no tomorrow but the music continued. I don't like trance because it is just drug music but I do not despise the trance scene as its each to there own opinion. But for you to say what you have said is bang out of order just because there is a minority of idiots about in society. Funny though the music seems to attract a hell of a lot of females though.:cool:

Bobby the fuss is all about R&B / Hip Hop because it is the biggest money making machine in music today. I can appreciate the fact you do not like it, as that is your personal opinion but to state that it is full of idiots with loads of attitude is very stereotypical and can be deemed as a racial comment.

How exactly could this be deemed to be racist? :huh: You don't know the colour of Bobby's skin for a start!

How exactly could this be deemed to be racist? :huh: You don't know the colour of Bobby's skin for a start!

I knew you would come in and strike. When people think of USA hip hop gangsters they do not think of chavs from the manor do they. Ooops thats deemed as racist to but you do not know my TRUE ethnicity either but Im sure you get the picture. :loopy:
You need to read carefully I said it COULD be deemed to be racist. I like you because you love to take out words what I write what you want to read instead of taking out the full literature.

I knew you would come in and strike. When people think of USA hip hop gangsters they do not think of chavs from the manor do they. Ooops thats deemed as racist to but you do not know my TRUE ethnicity either but Im sure you get the picture. :loopy:
You need to read carefully I said it COULD be deemed to be racist. I like you because you love to take out words what I write what you want to read instead of taking out the full literature.

He was talking about the clientelle, not the artists. Hence saying 'Most RnB nights will be full of.."

And you're right, I don't know your ethnicity but then I'm not suggesting your comments COULD be racist. And I do read carefully, hence also using the word COULD in both my posts.

By the way, you'll be suprised to hear I fully agree that Bobby was stereotyping, just curious as to how that translates into POTENTIAL racism. I could see your point if he was talking about artists but fans can be of any creed (as you well know). ********s come in all colours and don't have to like RnB to qualify.


If it's just a case of you misunderstanding and thinking he was on about artists then that's cool. :)

Why hate the empire bar???

discodown, I can tell your disgusted with the common word R&B. if you new your music history well the terminology R&B / soul is basically the same thing. soul (late 50's 60's, 70's to mid 80's). It is a combination with gospel vocals thats all as most of the singers had church backgrounds.
Thelma Houston, Dionne Warwick, Al Green IS old skool r&b, which IS if you wanna get scientific old skool disco as that is where house came from. Sam Cooke R&B (rhythm n blues).
Just because you do not like 21st century R&B because they use more electronics and hip hop does not mean it lacks soul. Jill Scott, Erykah Badu are prime examples.
I suggest get an American cable and watch old soul train re-runs
And I suggest you stop patronising people because they don't agree with you.

Your arrogance is breathtaking and your contradictory statements require a little thought.

Lets run through a few of your points one by one.

discodown, I can tell your disgusted with the common word R&B.How can you possibly tell that? You know virtually nothing about me. For all you know I may love modern r n b.
if you new your music history well the terminology R&B / soul is basically the same thing.How do you know I don't? Who died and appointed you the voice of musical reason for the forum? If the terminology for soul and r n b is virtually the same then i'm not wrong am I? as it goes i'm merely expressing an opinion not stating a cast iron fact.
soul (late 50's 60's, 70's to mid 80's). It is a combination with gospel vocals thats all as most of the singers had church backgrounds. Actually soul is an offshoot of blues combined with the acceptable face of black music in 1950's america, the so-called 'negro spirituals' which were deemed more acceptable than jazz which was sometimes violently opposed by the authorities. The uplifting vocals of the spirituals were popularised by artists such as sam cooke and a little later solomon burke, marvin gaye and so on. The gospel part of it is from the nature of the these early songs to be sung by groups of slaves.
Thelma Houston, Dionne Warwick, Al Green IS old skool r&bSo according to you we can ignore sam cooke, smokey robinson, wilson pickett, fats domino, marvin gaye, martha reeves and the vandellas, stevie wonder, solomon burke, the drifters, the four tops, motown, aretha franklin and loads more artists?
which IS if you wanna get scientific old skool disco as that is where house came from.r n b is not disco in the same way that hip hop is not r n b. There are small but important differences. disco is faster and emphasises the beat and the rhythm more than the meaning of the song. Thats not to say that much of discos message wasn't positive or it lacked something lyrically, its more that with the advent of new technology disco could be more experimental which allowed it to express itself much more. Indeed much of disco is incredibly soulful and indeed it stems from an offshoot of philly soul which artists such as teddy pendergrass popularised with many of the first disco records made by soul artists such as eddie kendricks and barry white.

The only reason r n b and disco are often lumped together is because at that time the music industry was basically run by white middle class men who had no idea about black music. Do you really wish to discuss disco in more detail?!;)
Just because you do not like 21st century R&B because they use more electronics and hip hop does not mean it lacks soul.Again how do you know i don't like 21st century r n b? I am tempted to suggest you are paranoid but I shan't.

I've also never said it lacks soul, just the opposite. I've suggested that it is soul as opposed to r n b
I suggest get an American cable and watch old soul train re-runs just the cable?! not a tv channel just a cable?!;) :D

The issue I have with soul train is that all the people who appeared on it were necessarily soul artists so its not a definative guide to soul. I wouldn't like to say that george clinton, issac hayes, chic, sly and the family stone, funkadelic, curtis mayfield were all necessarily soul. as an overview of everything thats good about 1960's and 70's black american music there is no better program.

Finally i'm going to apologise for the aggressive nature of this post. Just because someone doesn't agree with you is no reason to launch a verbal barrage at them. I have responded to your post in the aggressive way you responded to mine. If you wish me to less aggressive in future you know what to do.:thumbsup:

i think youll find that bar UNIQ has no attitude or wannabe gangstas in the premises as they simlpy dont get in!!!, its a lovely atmosphere and the customers are a great bunch of people that are there purley there to have a good night! I think youll find like you said millions of people love RnB hip hop garage etc! so the entertainment buisness cater for them aswell as other sorts of music for what other people want. UNIQ bar/club is very diverse as they have different kinds of music through the month for different tastes that people like and want from RIDDIMTION, HEADCHARGE and URBAN GORILLA.who is running uniq? they are doing a cracking job and really turning that venue around. hats off to them

who is running uniq? they are doing a cracking job and really turning that venue around. hats off to them

thank you very much for the compliment your comments are much appreciated its took along time and alot of hard work from all the staff to get across to people that the venue is not what it used to be and is now a nice friendly club/bar with a nice vibe. We are very much trying to please everyone and so have different music on different nights for everyones tastes in music! lets hope it all works out?:thumbsup:

I was in west street live last night and there was an R and B band playing. I think they were called "the call" and were a seven piece.

I have just checked myspace and I don't think that band were the call.

thank you very much for the compliment your comments are much appreciated its took along time and alot of hard work from all the staff to get across to people that the venue is not what it used to be and is now a nice friendly club/bar with a nice vibe. We are very much trying to please everyone and so have different music on different nights for everyones tastes in music! lets hope it all works out?:thumbsup:you're doing well, i've not been to that venue for about 3 years but i'm going to go soon to see whats happeneing

Why hate the empire bar???

yeah i don't get that either, there's nothing wrong with the place :confused:

Check out the RnB & UK Garage Night every Tuesday @ Uniq Nightclub. This is a weekly student night with fantastic drinks offers and excellent music.

And I suggest you stop patronising people because they don't agree with you.




Finally i'm going to apologise for the aggressive nature of this post. Just because someone doesn't agree with you is no reason to launch a verbal barrage at them. I have responded to your post in the aggressive way you responded to mine. If you wish me to less aggressive in future you know what to do.:thumbsup:

Problem with you discodown you have taken this very personal because if i have stated something to debate about you will find in the archives its true. Does the truth really hurt that you have to attack me. It took you a few posts to load your ammunition.

Point 1)
Your arrogance is breathtaking and your contradictory statements require a little thought.

Not once have i said anything of being the voice of reason. I replied to a post about R&B and the stereotypes and attitude it brings. As I have been playing for nearly 20 years I have played in clubs around the country and seen a lot of excellent R&B nights. I have also seen the downside also but to target a scene as pure attitude and gangsters poisonous pen writing in my view.

Point 2)

The point you made is exactly the same as I stated. SOUL is just a word because the singers represented were from church gospel spiritual choirs etc.
I am glad you have educated yourselves on the old skool artists. I bet you dont have any records by them?:D
The way you go about this forum you sound like you are anti R&B but that is my opinion I just feel you do not say anything constructive but slate it.


Point 3)

Did you want me to state all the bloody singers, I did mention Sam Cooke and Aretha franklyn, but yet again you never read you just take out the bits you want to use against me like a redneck newspaper from 60's Alabama. Why would I want to ignore these other singers as they are massive. I could mention more but this post is about WHERE HAS ALL THE R&B GONE IN SHEFFIELD. Something that you could not give 2 ****s about.

Point 4)

Disco and RNB
I refer you to listen to a record by Blaze (do you remember house) In the states, people do not categorize music as intensely like in the UK. Serious Intention - You dont know, was one of the first house tracks to come out of NY / NJ. However this was classed as a club track as the house terminology word was not known in New York. In the 80's djs would play R&B tracks back to back with early house tracks as it was appreciated with any soul crowd.
I tell you what, as I am a arrogant man, when Farley is in the country next, which I predict in Xmas. I will bring him down to your open decks night and he will tell you some knowledge as you feel nobody else can give you knowledge as you know it all.

Point 5)

What are you going on about aggression. It seems to me if any one is aggressive it is you. You are the one that has launched the assault. I am not aggressive person however you do strike me as a person proper up your own arse and you try to find arguements in fields you have no true understandings of. I bet you was not even into soul music in the 70's. So how can you have any realistic or social understanding.
I have had my say now hopefully we can talk about why there is no upfront R&B nights in Sheffield, something that you could not give a toss about.:P

Point 6)

Which i feel is a very important point is this. you can educate yourself on all the books in the world. Unless you have lived through the decades and seen how music has evolved around your area, from soul / r&b - disco - house - hip hop, then you can say you understand it. In the 70's & 80's black people were still getting turned away from sheffield clubs that played this music based on the colour of skin and nothing else. I even know of cases in the 90's in 2000 but I wont name and shame but I am sure people reading this will know what i am talking about. Which makes me go back to the point about stereotypes that bobby posted. That is why I responded to him like that. Even to this day there is a lot of frustration within the black and ethnic minorities in the UK. This is more of a social issue, however how many times I have heard the same old cliches in clubbing. You would have thought we have come a long way since the 70's but I think we as a clubbing nation has gone backwards as I feel it is very segregated in certain areas. Only difference is loads of money pumped into it thats all. Have a think about it as I do not think it as ever crossed your mind. Promoters / djs doing R&B nights in inner cities have the hardest job in the world. That is pleasing the manager.

Problem with you discodown you have taken this very personal because if i have stated something to debate about you will find in the archives its true. Does the truth really hurt that you have to attack me. It took you a few posts to load your ammunition.Took me a few posts because i was at work all day friday and have no internet access there. Its not as though I read your furious little diatribe then thought carefully about it. You don't interest me enough that i need to worry about you.Point 1)
Your arrogance is breathtaking and your contradictory statements require a little thought.

Not once have i said anything of being the voice of reason. I replied to a post about R&B and the stereotypes and attitude it brings. As I have been playing for nearly 20 years I have played in clubs around the country and seen a lot of excellent R&B nights. I have also seen the downside also but to target a scene as pure attitude and gangsters poisonous pen writing in my view.You may not have said it but its apparent from your egotistical ranting that you regard yourself as the voice of authority on music and anybody who disagrees with you is - in your opinion - worthless. Also you've been on the scene for 3 million years, seen everything, done everything we get it.Point 2)

The point you made is exactly the same as I stated. SOUL is just a word because the singers represented were from church gospel spiritual choirs etc.
I am glad you have educated yourselves on the old skool artists. I bet you dont have any records by them?:D
The way you go about this forum you sound like you are anti R&B but that is my opinion I just feel you do not say anything constructive but slate it.Firstly i have plenty of cd's and records by these artists. I also like northern soul and am passionate about soul and black american music. I'm not anti R&B in the slightest. I don't like every bit of it because i feel its formulaic and much of it is too samey samey. I do however like Angie Stone, MJB, TLC, Faith Evans and a couple of artists. The reason i'm not constructive is because its not my scene. If you can find a post i've made that is anti R&B lets see it.Point 3)

Did you want me to state all the bloody singers, I did mention Sam Cooke and Aretha franklyn, but yet again you never read you just take out the bits you want to use against me like a redneck newspaper from 60's Alabama. Why would I want to ignore these other singers as they are massive. I could mention more but this post is about WHERE HAS ALL THE R&B GONE IN SHEFFIELD. Something that you could not give 2 ****s about.No but the statement you made stated 3 artists were R&B. If you feel I was unfair I apologise.

Again, with the assumptions. How do you know I don't care about the scene? I went to quality at brown street more than once and i was upset when it finished. I think its important that sheffield has a vibrant scene reflecting all music. Just because i don't like it doesn't mean i think it shouldn't exist.Point 4)

Disco and RNB
I refer you to listen to a record by Blaze (do you remember house) In the states, people do not categorize music as intensely like in the UK. Serious Intention - You dont know, was one of the first house tracks to come out of NY / NJ. However this was classed as a club track as the house terminology word was not known in New York. In the 80's djs would play R&B tracks back to back with early house tracks as it was appreciated with any soul crowd.
I tell you what, as I am a arrogant man, when Farley is in the country next, which I predict in Xmas. I will bring him down to your open decks night and he will tell you some knowledge as you feel nobody else can give you knowledge as you know it all.I love that record! Blaze are, in my opinion, far superior to MAW. At the time you refer to NY/NJ was in the grip of Garage. Since Frankie Knuckles version of disco hadn't spread by then Larry Levan and Tony Humphries were the DJ's at the time who were playing what is now known as 'Garage'. This basically meant anything danceable from disco, to hip hop and had few limits, encompassing tracks from artists as diverse as Talk Talk and Yoko Ono.

What open deck night? I don't have one.

You know Farley? Have a Cookie. I will happily listen to anybody who wishes to talk about music what i won't put up with is someone not respecting my opinions but expecting me to respect theirs.
Point 5)

What are you going on about aggression. It seems to me if any one is aggressive it is you. You are the one that has launched the assault. I am not aggressive person however you do strike me as a person proper up your own arse and you try to find arguements in fields you have no true understandings of. I bet you was not even into soul music in the 70's. So how can you have any realistic or social understanding.
I have had my say now hopefully we can talk about why there is no upfront R&B nights in Sheffield, something that you could not give a toss about.:P.Firstly i'm not up my own or anybody elses arses. Secondly i was born in 1975 so for once you are correct i wasn't into soul in the 70's. Is this where you go on about how i can't know anything because i wasn't there? in that case anybody under the age of 60 who owns a motown record should have it taken off them because 'they weren't there, they don't understand'. Stop being pretentious. I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

And again with the assumptions. How do you know?Point 6)

Which i feel is a very important point is this. you can educate yourself on all the books in the world. Unless you have lived through the decades and seen how music has evolved around your area, from soul / r&b - disco - house - hip hop, then you can say you understand it. In the 70's & 80's black people were still getting turned away from sheffield clubs that played this music based on the colour of skin and nothing else. I even know of cases in the 90's in 2000 but I wont name and shame but I am sure people reading this will know what i am talking about. Which makes me go back to the point about stereotypes that bobby posted. That is why I responded to him like that. Even to this day there is a lot of frustration within the black and ethnic minorities in the UK. This is more of a social issue, however how many times I have heard the same old cliches in clubbing. You would have thought we have come a long way since the 70's but I think we as a clubbing nation has gone backwards as I feel it is very segregated in certain areas. Only difference is loads of money pumped into it thats all. Have a think about it as I do not think it as ever crossed your mind. Promoters / djs doing R&B nights in inner cities have the hardest job in the world. That is pleasing the manager. Pretty much agree with you. And to get back to the point I don't know why there are no good R&B nights. I can make a few educated guesses though and most of them are centered around the fact that a tiny minority spoil it for the rest.

Here is my last response to you because we both must be boring every one on the net. We can bitch and attack each other all day but the fact still remains there is no REAL R&B nights in Sheffield of high profile.

Point 1)
You don't interest me enough that i need to worry about you

I obviously do interest you because you keep intruding every time I make a point about things that have not concerned you. As you seem to know it all about RACE RELATIONS and the difference between stereotypes and racism. Like you would know because if you would have been a victim, you would know what i am talking about...


Point 2)

apparent from your egotistical ranting that you regard yourself as the voice of authority on music and anybody who disagrees with you is - in your opinion - worthless

I think the pot is calling the kettle black here. How many times have you done the same thing. I have never been the voice of authority or claimed it.

Point 3)

Also you've been on the scene for 3 million years, seen everything, done everything we get it

I have been on the for 17 years professionally, Who is the sarcastic one here.
Never said I have done everything although you can nickname me Teddy Sherringham because I am still playing in the premiership.:hihi: joke by the way, do not take it too heart.

Garage was taken from the legendary club name Paradise Garage. New Yorkers still refer to most dance music as club music. I did live there for two years.

Point 4)

I love cookies but what does this mean. The reason why I do not respect your opinion is because you have caused a pointless arguement. Soul vs R&B, nu soul, old skool, same thing but difference in technology. So what is your point. Most of your disco artists always have R&B backgrounds. Big Deal. Why do you think a lot of hip hop and R&B artist sample and bring back old skool cuts. Because these are the cuts r what they grew up listening to.

I give you one thing you can be gracious at times.:)

Here is my last response to you because we both must be boring every one on the net.I'll bet we're not boring anyone! Its rare that someone will argue their corner like this. Also i'll bet this isn't your last response because you're liking the argumant as much as me! We can bitch and attack each other all day but the fact still remains there is no REAL R&B nights in Sheffield of high profile.Thats true and it is a shame. Contrary to what you might like to think, I do care that decent (for want of a better term even though i don't like using it!) R&B isn't really represented. However if you've been in the game for as long as you have and have the contacts and knowledge you obviously do (from posts you made on other threads I think you either DJ'd or promoted quality) why can't YOU do something about it? I Don't mean this as a sarcastic comment i'm genuinely interested.Point 1)
You don't interest me enough that i need to worry about you

I obviously do interest you because you keep intruding every time I make a point about things that have not concerned you. As you seem to know it all about RACE RELATIONS and the difference between stereotypes and racism. Like you would know because if you would have been a victim, you would know what i am talking about...An unfortunate word to use. I'm not intruding, this is a public forum I can say anything I want (within reason) about anything posted on here. I've also never mentioned race about anything. You try to throw it into the argument occasionally and I deliberately ignore it. The debate is about music and nothing else.Point 2)

apparent from your egotistical ranting that you regard yourself as the voice of authority on music and anybody who disagrees with you is - in your opinion - worthless

I think the pot is calling the kettle black here. How many times have you done the same thing. I have never been the voice of authority or claimed it.Never;) :D I'm good and sweet and kind!

The way you responded to my initial post was totally in my opinion over the top. you accused me of many things and hysterically implied I knew nothing about music. Then when I respond in kind you still won't acknowledge the fact that i'm entitled to my opinion or responded to my original point and explained why you think i'm wrong and given reasons for your response.Point 3)

Also you've been on the scene for 3 million years, seen everything, done everything we get it

I have been on the for 17 years professionally, Who is the sarcastic one here.
Never said I have done everything although you can nickname me Teddy Sherringham because I am still playing in the premiership.:hihi: joke by the way, do not take it too heart.

Garage was taken from the legendary club name Paradise Garage. New Yorkers still refer to most dance music as club music. I did live there for two years.It was indeed but i think i'm right in saying - and feel free to correct me - that there was an album entitled "From the Paradise Garage" released and that was the catalyst because people shortened the name to the "Garage Album"

I hope to have some sort of DJ career lasting that long! More power to you for not becoming jaded or even worse greedy and cynical.Point 4)

I love cookies but what does this mean .Name dropping is not cool!;) The reason why I do not respect your opinion is because you have caused a pointless arguement. Soul vs R&B, nu soul, old skool, same thing but difference in technology.All I wanted from you was a response to my original point. You don't agree with me. thats fine. Tell me why i'm wrong without calling me thick or impling anything or making assumptions. This is reasoned debate. The ironic thing is I think we would find lots of common ground musically and it would be interesting to trawl through your records. If i disagree with you its not because i'm out to get you or try to annoy you, its because I may learn something from your response.

My original point is that Thelma Houston, Aalliya and MJB are soul singers. Why am i wrong? Or am I not wrong and the pigeon holing of music is plain stupid?

So what is your point. Most of your disco artists always have R&B backgrounds. Big Deal. Why do you think a lot of hip hop and R&B artist sample and bring back old skool cuts. Because these are the cuts r what they grew up listening to.They do it because its good music. I have a tremendous amount of respect for hip hop artists. I think the fact that tuesday club brings people like Jazzy Jeff to sheff is superb. I have no issue with R&B except i think the majority of the artists are just soul singers. The modern day motown if you will.

Finally I think it should be on record that even though house and disco are my first love I do have enormous respect for lots of other black music. Hence why Norman Jay is one of my favourite DJ's. I'm not some ignorant kid who thinks they invented music and going out. Even if I were is that such a crime?

I give you one thing you can be gracious at times.:)
As are you. when you want to be

I am not classing this as an arguement because, you see, you do not have one.

You are saying that Soul is a totally different entity to R&B.
I am saying soul music is just the same only the singers are more based from church backgrounds hence the word soul. Why is it then called the R&B charts then. R&B is the original word in 30's, 40's and 50's. As more singers came from the church to make hit records, Soul was a popular word. In the early 90's as hip hop took direction from the streets and more social and political records were made, R&B (or soul) began to fuse with hip hop beats. Hence the common word R&B is or back then Jack swing was being produced. Mary J Blige is the queen of hip hop soul, but she is classed as R&B. comprendez.

Again anybody that is ranting and continuing this stupid point is you. You bitch about anything you do not have an understanding about, which to me is self destruction. I would not vote for you for prime minister. You have admitted that it is not your scene. So I think your arguement lacks all common sence. YOU DO NOT CHECK FOR R&B as I detected from earlier posts. Just admit you do not like my voice as to you, I seem to be an authority figure. You sound just like a redneck, being threatened by a lesser person speaking his mind. If you are the voice of authority on this forum why dont you put on an R&B night and lets check it out, or a funk night as you seem to have a healthy collection. By now you have done your investigations, sometimes my son uses this thread and he at 18 displays more music knowledge than you.
All you have done is attack me so I am going to make this personal.
You talk about modern R&B and I do agree because it is more mainstream it is formulative, however just like the house scene there is an underground side to it. Obviously this side to it is the side you do not understand as you are not hearing it. If you buy Blues n Soul magazine you will educate yourself more on the aspect and help you understand. Give me your address and I will get Mark Devlin to send you one. ooops name dropping again, well i used to be a contributer and I do manage some of his dj bookings.

Finally to dun u now, as we say in da streets, ha ha.
you mention u love Blaze track.
DO YOU EVER LISTEN TO THE BLOODY LYRICS. I was listening to house before house was disco and R&B. The reason why he said that is because in his days of growing up and partying, people did not say a lot of disco tracks were disco tracks, they classed it as R&B or the more popular phrase in NY CLUB MUSIC. Hence Disco - Discotheque.
My final point to you is this do not try and argue a point out if your heart is not in the topic. You openly admit that you do not check for RNB but you want to debate a pointless topic about something that you are not passionate about. Infact as i am an arrogant ego tistical person do not try to question me about black music period. As I am the voice authority. WISE UP for god sake

I am not classing this as an arguement because, you see, you do not have one.

You are saying that Soul is a totally different entity to R&B.
I am saying soul music is just the same only the singers are more based from church backgrounds hence the word soul. Why is it then called the R&B charts then. R&B is the original word in 30's, 40's and 50's. As more singers came from the church to make hit records, Soul was a popular word. In the early 90's as hip hop took direction from the streets and more social and political records were made, R&B (or soul) began to fuse with hip hop beats. Hence the common word R&B is or back then Jack swing was being produced. Mary J Blige is the queen of hip hop soul, but she is classed as R&B. comprendez.

Again anybody that is ranting and continuing this stupid point is you. You bitch about anything you do not have an understanding about, which to me is self destruction. I would not vote for you for prime minister. You have admitted that it is not your scene. So I think your arguement lacks all common sence. YOU DO NOT CHECK FOR R&B as I detected from earlier posts. Just admit you do not like my voice as to you, I seem to be an authority figure. You sound just like a redneck, being threatened by a lesser person speaking his mind. If you are the voice of authority on this forum why dont you put on an R&B night and lets check it out, or a funk night as you seem to have a healthy collection. By now you have done your investigations, sometimes my son uses this thread and he at 18 displays more music knowledge than you.
All you have done is attack me so I am going to make this personal.
You talk about modern R&B and I do agree because it is more mainstream it is formulative, however just like the house scene there is an underground side to it. Obviously this side to it is the side you do not understand as you are not hearing it. If you buy Blues n Soul magazine you will educate yourself more on the aspect and help you understand. Give me your address and I will get Mark Devlin to send you one. ooops name dropping again, well i used to be a contributer and I do manage some of his dj bookings.

Finally to dun u now, as we say in da streets, ha ha.
you mention u love Blaze track.
DO YOU EVER LISTEN TO THE BLOODY LYRICS. I was listening to house before house was disco and R&B. The reason why he said that is because in his days of growing up and partying, people did not say a lot of disco tracks were disco tracks, they classed it as R&B or the more popular phrase in NY CLUB MUSIC. Hence Disco - Discotheque.
My final point to you is this do not try and argue a point out if your heart is not in the topic. You openly admit that you do not check for RNB but you want to debate a pointless topic about something that you are not passionate about. Infact as i am an arrogant ego tistical person do not try to question me about black music period. As I am the voice authority. WISE UP for god sake

Ha ha ha, you crack me up mate, some of this stuff is hillarious! :D

Keep up the good, deluded work fella!

And Discodown - I'm glad to see I'm not the only person this prick winds up, now you know why you had to tell me to calm down on that last load of crap he spouted.

Anyways, DJ4321, I'm not getting involved here, merely commenting as an interested observer.

Ha ha ha, you crack me up mate, some of this stuff is hillarious! :D

Keep up the good, deluded work fella!

And Discodown - I'm glad to see I'm not the only person this prick winds up, now you know why you had to tell me to calm down on that last load of crap he spouted.

Anyways, DJ4321, I'm not getting involved here, merely commenting as an interested observer.he doesn't wind me up. he winds himself up because he can't stick to the point. its easy to see he doesn't think about what hes posting which is why its easy to pick holes in his arguments.

like this...

I am not classing this as an arguement because, you see, you do not have one.Obviously i do otherwise you wouldn't disagree so vehemently.

You are saying that Soul is a totally different entity to R&B.
I am saying soul music is just the same only the singers are more based from church backgrounds hence the word soul.So where does gospel fit into it then? or is it just an offshoot of soul? Why is it then called the R&B charts then.Because the music business is run by white middle class men who have no idea about black music, thats why today there are seperate pop and R&B charts in america bcause the industry doesn't really understand the music so it all gets lumped together as R&B because they can't say its a chart for black music R&B is the original word in 30's, 40's and 50's.I think you'll find the original term was 'race' records As more singers came from the church to make hit records, Soul was a popular word. In the early 90's as hip hop took direction from the streets and more social and political records were made, R&B (or soul) began to fuse with hip hop beats. Hence the common word R&B is or back then Jack swing was being produced. Mary J Blige is the queen of hip hop soul, but she is classed as R&B. comprendez.Not really, i still don't understand. How can she be singing soul, to hip hop and it be called R&B?

Again anybody that is ranting and continuing this stupid point is you.Yes just me, you've not said anything. You're just oppressed and picked on by nasty old discodown! You bitch about anything you do not have an understanding about, which to me is self destruction.I've not bitched about anything. all i did was make a statement that you reacted to and then i retorted. The only person who's bitching is you about things you apparently feel i've done or not done or things you'll make up about me and accuse me of I would not vote for you for prime minister.And why not? I'd be a good prime minister, better than the useless one we have now. Thats another argument for another time You have admitted that it is not your scene. So I think your arguement lacks all common sence.If i were arguing then fair enough but i'm not, all i've done is state an opinion and you've had a pop at me for it. YOU DO NOT CHECK FOR R&B as I detected from earlier posts.not quite sure what this means Just admit you do not like my voice as to you, I seem to be an authority figure.I've never heard your voice so i don't have an opinion on it. Youalso don't seem like an authority figure. You're just someone i'm having a disagreement with. You sound just like a redneck, being threatened by a lesser person speaking his mind.didn't realise you had an inferiority complex as well as a hatred of rednecks, thats about the third time you've accused me of that. If you are the voice of authority on this forum.I've never claimed to be the voice of authority on anything. i'm just a guy who voiced an opinion and got into a debate. why dont you put on an R&B night and lets check it out, or a funk night as you seem to have a healthy collection.Because its not my scene! I'm more into house and disco. By now you have done your investigations,Really not sure what this means sometimes my son uses this thread and he at 18 displays more music knowledge than you does he by any chance agree with you?
All you have done is attack me so I am going to make this personal.,Yes it was me who made this personal! You had nothing to do with thatYou talk about modern R&B and I do agree because it is more mainstream it is formulative, however just like the house scene there is an underground side to it. Obviously this side to it is the side you do not understand as you are not hearing it. If you buy Blues n Soul magazine you will educate yourself more on the aspect and help you understand. Give me your address and I will get Mark Devlin to send you one. ooops name dropping again, well i used to be a contributer and I do manage some of his dj bookings.,For once i agree with you, this may be the most sensible thing you've said yet

Finally to dun u now, as we say in da streets, ha ha.
you mention u love Blaze track.
DO YOU EVER LISTEN TO THE BLOODY LYRICS. I was listening to house before house was disco and R&B. The reason why he said that is because in his days of growing up and partying, people did not say a lot of disco tracks were disco tracks, they classed it as R&B or the more popular phrase in NY CLUB MUSIC. Hence Disco - Discotheque.,Discotheque is a french word coined in paris in the 30's. I listened to the lyrics and i drop the accapella quite a lot when i'm DJing. I get their point and i totally agree with them. There are really only two types of music, stuff you like and stuff you don't the continued fragmentation of the music scene into ever smaller pigeonholes is something that causes me much dismay and much of it is a media invention that serves no purpose except to narrow people musical horizons.
My final point to you is this do not try and argue a point out if your heart is not in the topic. You openly admit that you do not check for RNB but you want to debate a pointless topic about something that you are not passionate about. Infact as i am an arrogant ego tistical person do not try to question me about black music period. As I am the voice authority. WISE UP for god sakeAnd a valid point it is. However, since i dislike authority figures and bullies i will continue to ask questions, debate, hold my ground and defend my opinions. What i won't do is roll over and allow anyone to run roughshod over me. Whatever you may think of me - not that it matters since we don't know each other - you should be able to identify with that.

Because its not my scene! I'm more into house and disco.

That just says it all about your character. You think you know it all about Soul and R&B and really you have no interest. really I'm glad you have taken this personal because so have I. Now its personal.

Have a nice day

By the way bringiton, if you are going to come on here and startin something we can sort it out very easily. I am not going to comment because you both have no meaning on the word soul whats so ever. Hope to see you very soon mate.

By the way i would rather be a prick than a pussy.

you both have no meaning on the word soul whats so ever.

:D :thumbsup:

HELLO!!!!

No offence guys but you have totally bored me!! I ask a simple question and get a head ache.

Wether you agree to disagree what RnB is, im 24 and to me its the likes of Shaun Paul, Buju Manton, Beres Hammond (sorry if I disappoint)

Could anyone please tell where this sort of music is played these days, So far Uniq (thanks) and Empire (No Thanks - not slating it, just not for me these days. loved it a few years ago mind!) But please anywhere else? :hihi: :huh: :thumbsup:

HELLO!!!!

No offence guys but you have totally bored me!! I ask a simple question and get a head ache.

Wether you agree to disagree what RnB is, im 24 and to me its the likes of Shaun Paul, Buju Manton, Beres Hammond (sorry if I disappoint)

Could anyone please tell where this sort of music is played these days, So far Uniq (thanks) and Empire (No Thanks - not slating it, just not for me these days. loved it a few years ago mind!) But please anywhere else? :hihi: :huh: :thumbsup:

So you were actually talking about Reggae?
(or dancehall, more accurately *ducks in readiness for rocks to start flying again*)

HELLO!!!!

No offence guys but you have totally bored me!! I ask a simple question and get a head ache.

Wether you agree to disagree what RnB is, im 24 and to me its the likes of Shaun Paul, Buju Manton, Beres Hammond (sorry if I disappoint)

Could anyone please tell where this sort of music is played these days, So far Uniq (thanks) and Empire (No Thanks - not slating it, just not for me these days. loved it a few years ago mind!) But please anywhere else? :hihi: :huh: :thumbsup:

theres an rnb night on at club vibe (formerly pravda i think) on a thursday, haven't been but heard it's meant to be half decent. crystal on a tuesday does play some rnb, but also some other stuff, still a good night though. blessed is on at gatecrasher on a monday, which is rnb. there's also the odd one off nights of course, like in the uni fusion and foundry tonight, trevor nelson is polaying (you dont have to be a student to get in). hope that helped!:thumbsup:

So you were actually talking about Reggae?
(or dancehall, more accurately *ducks in readiness for rocks to start flying again*)

Yeah a bit of reggae / some RnB just nice sounding music to dance to. :thumbsup:


theres an rnb night on at club vibe (formerly pravda i think) on a thursday, haven't been but heard it's meant to be half decent. crystal on a tuesday does play some rnb, but also some other stuff, still a good night though. blessed is on at gatecrasher on a monday, which is rnb. there's also the odd one off nights of course, like in the uni fusion and foundry tonight, trevor nelson is polaying (you dont have to be a student to get in). hope that helped!:thumbsup:

Finally someone talking sense. Thanks chuck, will defo give these nights a whirl! ;)

HELLO!!!!

No offence guys but you have totally bored me!! I ask a simple question and get a head ache.

Wether you agree to disagree what RnB is, im 24 and to me its the likes of Shaun Paul, Buju Manton, Beres Hammond (sorry if I disappoint)

Could anyone please tell where this sort of music is played these days, So far Uniq (thanks) and Empire (No Thanks - not slating it, just not for me these days. loved it a few years ago mind!) But please anywhere else? :hihi: :huh: :thumbsup:sorry for boring you but it amused me to argue with him.

i think banus do an r & B night.

If uniq do do a night i recommend you go there because its a really nice club

sorry for boring you but it amused me to argue with him.

i think banus do an r & B night.

If uniq do do a night i recommend you go there because its a really nice club