View Full Version : Jujitsu, Kickboxing, instructor training courses - where are they


RobbyBrown
17-10-2006, 11:41
Hi, Just passed my FA coaching badge and Basketball coaching award, but looking at picking up some Martial Arts Coaching awards, not trained in Martial Arts before but looking at picking up the coaching awards, possibly that can be taken over a weekend.

Where do these take place ?

Will the Boxercise award cover me to do coach Boxing/kickboxing ?

Cyclone
17-10-2006, 11:54
I don't think martial arts coaching awards exist in the same way as basketball or football.
In order to teach a martial art, you generally need to have trained in it for a good number of years, it's not something you can pick up at a course over a week or two.

Boxercise is nothing like and nothing to do with boxing or kickboxing, no it definitely will not cover you to teach either of them.

RobbyBrown
17-10-2006, 12:04
being a good coach is a different skill to being a good competitor (so the Lecturer says), which is why these coaching awards for football etc are available.

Just suprised that the same thing is not available for Martial Arts.

Cyclone
17-10-2006, 12:11
That's quite true, but being an instructor is a different skill to being a coach.

Most people need an instructor to teach them, at least for a while when they start a martial art.
The only coaches I can think about (rather than instructors) are involved in MMA where the people competing are already good martial artists, and probably still attend classes that teach as well as having a coach work with them.

evildrneil
17-10-2006, 12:19
I would have said it's something to do with the skill-set of a martial artist being much wider than that of say a footballer. In order to coach martial arts you need to know the techniques (which may be a large number), applications (each technique may have many applications) and methodology of the art you are teaching. While it is certainly the case that to be a good coach you don't need to be a good competitor you do certainly need knowledge of all these areas and thats not something you can pick up in a weekend (or even arguably in a few weeks or months). The majority of arts now use some sort of belt/sash system and you are unlikely to be taken seriously unless you are at least a black belt (or equivilent thereof) as that is supposed to be the level where you have a pretty thorough understanding of the physical aspects of the art.

If you want to look at coaching certificates per se you are probably most likely to find them in boxing (the ABAE (http://www.abae.co.uk/about/index.asp) site may be of help) or wrestling (the BWA (http://www.britishwrestling.org/) site may be of help).

BarraGergus
17-10-2006, 16:23
i did one in american football, but i played for 10 years, i cant think that you could do one over a weekend, thats just wrong.

its like looking at a car then becoming a driving instuctor

the_rage
17-10-2006, 19:06
There apperars to be certain skills to learn to be a good coatch. These skills can be used to teach different sports. However some one once said to me - to train martial arts for 5 years means you enjoy it. To train for 15 years means you are getting good at it. To be a true martial artist you must train a life time. Martial arts takes years to perfect no matter which art it is. Its not somethig you can pick up lightly. :)

Davemantis
18-10-2006, 14:54
the_rage


like that :D

troyhark
18-10-2006, 14:58
You could always watch a few Jackie Chan films and declare yourself an expert.

Davemantis
19-10-2006, 08:21
i think Van Dam might be better:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

ShotoKarate
19-10-2006, 12:14
To coach football you would surely first have to understand the rules and skills .....

To coach anything, you have to understand the skills enough to be able to put them accross in a way that your participants will enjoy and learn. This applies to football, guitar ..... anything and everything!!!!!! You don't have to have been a fantastic international footballer or pianist to be able to coach. But understanding the activity is essential.

Martial Arts are no different ...... the organisation that I am currently with regards and authentic instructor to be no lower than 3rd Dan which implies at least 10 - 15 years of practice (usually far more).

To expect to be able to coach kickboxing with no experience other than a weekend course sounds like either a wind up or a total detachment from the real world!!!!!!!!!!!

Freddylee
19-10-2006, 12:24
weekend course for kickboxin???
is dis guy for real?
i been trainin for 5 years and still dont no it all

wateva!!!

do be able to do it you gotta udnerstand it urself or its like da blind leadin da blind

Lee Mapley
19-10-2006, 14:26
Hi, Just passed my FA coaching badge and Basketball coaching award, but looking at picking up some Martial Arts Coaching awards, not trained in Martial Arts before but looking at picking up the coaching awards, possibly that can be taken over a weekend.

Where do these take place ?

Will the Boxercise award cover me to do coach Boxing/kickboxing ?

You can get a coaching award in a weekend... Just join GKR Karate :hihi:

Seriously though, it is true that you can do a weekend course and gain a coaching award

http://www.learndirect-advice.co.uk/helpwithyourcareer/jobprofiles/profiles/profile1291/

The problem is that you have to own a Black Belt before you can register.

I'm guessing that what you learn is not martial arts, but ways of improving your teaching methods and ways to organise a class to get the best results. As well as info on opening your own class.

DaFoot
19-10-2006, 14:58
...looking at picking up some Martial Arts Coaching awards, not trained in Martial Arts before but looking at picking up the coaching awards, possibly that can be taken over a weekend.

Send me a cheque for £699.49 and I'll declare you 7th Dan grand flying master of Monk-ee-do.
You'll get a certificate and everything!

ShotoKarate
20-10-2006, 12:53
Please follow the links to see that .... as I thought, it's another windup .....

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1140431#post1140431

Lee Mapley
20-10-2006, 13:32
Please follow the links to see that .... as I thought, it's another windup .....

http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1140431#post1140431

Good link Shoto.

Looks like this RobbyBrown guy is a bit of a muppet

_pj_
21-10-2006, 17:43
The WJJF (World Ju-Jitsu Federation) runs coaching award schemes and will not let you teach in the WJJF unless you have completed some of these. You can also get an NVQ in coaching through them as well. Obviously you need at least a brown belt to do the first level coaching award, which is assistant coach, i.e. you can take a class but a more senior coach must be present.

It is a good idea and generally leads to more responsible coaching.

However do not confuse WJJF with BJJ. Big difference.:hihi:

Cyclone
21-10-2006, 22:13
And don't confused WJJF with any other school of jiu jitsu of which there are many.