apparently he bought the winning ticket whilst out on weekend leave..what the ***ks a rapist doing on weekend leave:loopy:

Originally posted by kirky
apparently he bought the winning ticket whilst out on weekend leave..what the ***ks a rapist doing on weekend leave:loopy:

Erm, good question. Probably want to test if he's learned his lesson.

God moves in mysterious ways

should be made to give it to the victim(s) if there alive!

The victims should sue for compensation immediately. There's bound to be plenty lawyers prepared to take it on.

Why should the victims sue?

Would he be released to face a civil suit?

Is there a statute of limitations governing redress after a criminal trial or is the lack of civil suits brought by victims indicative of the likelihood of success.

At least now he can afford the very best in legal expertise!

To everyone who buys a lottery ticket: Nice one - giving money to rapists, drug dealers and thugs. oh and all those good causes, like the dome, camelot, the government etc.

The fact that he's a rapist and wins the lottery are two separate things. He is paying his debt to society by being in pris, so that is that. We don't know the particulars of the case. eg a 20yo who has sex with a 15yo is a rapist. As with all crimes there are differing magnitudes. For some reason rape is deemed worse than murder in this country even tho the victims live to tell the tale.
I'm not condoning rape but the vigilante tone suggested in the original post is depressing in a system that should have reablitation of offenders as the main emphasis in what is technically a democracy. If not, and with your attitude it is hard to see how, we may as well start killing people as they do in the deep south of the USofA which I think is where you prob come from.
If you are on a sex offenders register and the media outs you so that all your neigbours know where you live and everytime you go out some one shouts rapist and they write rapist on your door. If it is constant like that you are going to become the very thing that people expect as you can't change expectations.
The british media (Sun /Mirror/ Mail etc) and the ignorant people that read them have prob indirectly cause more rapes of children and adults than anyone individual.
So if its the safety of the victims you have at heart then I believe we should lock away all the people that read these news papers. It would be easy - we could just have them arrested at newsagents. Costly I know but wouldn't the world be a nicer place. :mad:

This sicko is not paying his debt to society by being in Prison, He is being kept out of societies way. Prisons are a soft option, A rapist should face the death penalty. A man that has raped will rape again, and, Will have raped before. This shows the direction that this Country is heading. Soft on real crime. Soon we will have a wake up call, a bad alarm. We cannot hear the alarm bells that are already ringing. So what would you all say if Huntly won the Lottery, or any other sadistic child murderer. The winning from this lottery should go to pay compensation to his victims, They should also be confiscated to pay for all the expence of keeping him in jail, These people have no rights, They should not be allowed to laugh at society the way they do. Now, This man can afford to employ bent Barristers to help him get out of jail early. You may laugh, But it is true. Look at the last big winner, An ex bin man, Who after winning terrorises his neighbours, Deals drugs to children, Makes a mockery of the law. And, After all this he only get a few months in Jail. I have seen others get years for much less.

We are becoming a sick society to allow this. Maybe when Howard gets in next year we will see some massive alterations

Michael Howard is the answer to nothing.
Tagging for instance makes good sense but he'd rather build more prisons. Blair and Howard risk getting into an auction on punitive punishment, fuelled by the media and which will do nothing to help society.
t

This rapist's victims should sue because they know he has the funds to pay substantial compensation. I suspect that this isn't usually the case and it is usually judged not to be worth it, especially taking into account legal fees.

This man may be paying his debt to society but he isn't to his victim. We should look to the Anglo-Saxon law codes prior to 1066. The emphasis then wasn't just on punitive punishments for the guilty but the payment of agreed compensation to the victim.
We should reconsider this aspect of punishment so that we have a system where individuals are compensated and general society exacts a level of punishment as well.
Criminals should also have treatments and supports in place which will reduce their chances of re-offending.

Originally posted by RODGERS
Prisons are a soft option, A rapist should face the death penalty. A man that has raped will rape again, and, Will have raped before. This shows the direction

We are becoming a sick society to allow this. Maybe when Howard gets in next year we will see some massive alterations

Thankyou judge, jury, prosecution, clairvoyant sun reader and Tory. Say no more!:mad:

Time in the nick is not paying the prise for rape.

Giving 7 mill to the victom whilst still not making good the crime would hit him harder.

Well mini it does sound like you are on the side of this rapist guy. I personally don't think he should be allowed to keep the money.

A rapist is not a decent guy. Surely if a sexual offender is afraid of the general public harrassing him then he/she should have thought of that before commiting the crime.

Hmm the death penalty is rather a tough approach on sexual offence. That should be reserved for certain cases of murder.
But I think that sexual offenders should be made to suffer more tougher punishments.

I dunno, castrate them or something.

on the bbc site it says "number of sex attacks, including attempted rape". If he was sorry for what he had done he would be willing to give the money away to the victims

its his money he can do what he likes with it, once he is a free man. It will certainly make his life inside a little more bearable.

I think anyone caught speeding should have to return their lottery winnings too.

How can we justify not allowing him to keep the money? I admit it does rather stick in my craw but the fact remains that there is nothing in law that prevents him taking the money.

If a law were to be introduced refusing payment to certain criminals which categories would be included? Littering, speeding, murder? There would need to be a strict definition as to who could and couldn't benefit from a lottery win. If someone in that category bought a ticket and won would they then be allowed to sue Camelot for selling them a ticket under false pretences?

I know the Daily Mail hang and flog 'em brigade will immediately accuse me of being a leftie do-gooder but how do you draw up and enforce a law such as is being proposed? Or do we leave it to a poll in the tabloids on individual cases?

I personally feel that if he has been found guilty of the crime of rape, while he is serving time for his crime then he should be allowed no benefits of any kind. This includes winning the lottery!

Not know thing the actual details of the crime, I therefor suggest that his assets be seized (i.e. the winnings) and be donated to a charity which counsels those who have been victims of this awful crime.

There is no other moral way to go about it.
Yes he couldbe just guilty of underage sex (i.e. statutory rape) but at the end of the day, he's committed what is still a serious crime (if I was a parent I'd feel that way). That money should be used to help those who are victims of all kinds of rape (it should help both women and men).

Since when was it made a law that criminals have to be poor?

It's not, but it's a punishment that he is stripped of his rights and that includes NOT gaining anything from his time in prison (including lottery wins).

If he won it outside, then I wouldn't feel as strong that he should be made to give it up. However he is still serving time (whether on weekend release or not) he shouldn't gain from it.

I suppose you think that Myra Hindley should have been allowed to write her book about her life as a child murderer and reap the profits of it while she was inside yes?
Or how about Peter Sutcliffe too?

In fact lets go all out and allow Ian Huntley the chance to make some £££ from his exploits too :loopy:

From what i've read so far on the news it wasn't anything to do with statutory rape,he has had a history of sex attacks and was only doing approx 6/7 years (correct me if i'm wrong).When he was let out for the weekend he tried to attack a 60 year old woman so he is now doing life.A law is being considered to prevent criminals from buying lottery tickets so the same thing won't happen again.Criminals at the moment aren't allowed to buy Premium bonds or play the pools,winnings which amount to much less than the lottery.I think this law is a good idea.

Doesn't sound like a very nice person at all, but lets face it, if we wanted money to go to the most deserving we'd have to scrap the lottery all together. I'm sure he isn't the first criminal to win money on it, and he won't be the last.

He's a constant offender..

His money should be handed out in compensation to his victims or given to rape help organisations.

Most people play the lottery to aid good causes and to win cash for themselves. I dont think giving this man the 7 million will inspire me to buy any future tickets.
At least he can now pay his own way and wont need the tax payers to pay for his imprisonment for the rest of his term.

With regards to a criminal potentially writing about their nefarious past and profiting from the book sales, I think the fact that people would actually buy the said book says far more about our society than whether or not the criminal is allowed to write the book in the first place. Slightly off-topic, I know, sorry.

The biggest issue here to me is the fact he was on "weekend release" in the first place. Is this definitely the case? If so, this really is too soft. There is no way a rapist should be allowed out of prison at the weekends, whether tagged, supervised, handcuffed, etc. Prison should mean prison. This really sickens me.

Miniminch - a 20y/o who has sex with a 15 y/o is not a rapist. The crime would be sex with a minor. Only if it was with a 13 y/o or younger would it constitute statutory rape.

Incidentally, will the government now charge him for 15 years board and lodgings? There was a story a week or so ago about someone who had been wrongly locked up for 18 years, and after being awarded compensation they were then made to pay for their board and living costs during their time in prison! Surely the same should apply here. I still can't understand why a prisoner serving a life sentence was allowed out for a weekend anyway.

Originally posted by Hodge
With regards to a criminal potentially writing about their nefarious past and profiting from the book sales, I think the fact that people would actually buy the said book says far more about our society than whether or not the criminal is allowed to write the book in the first place. Slightly off-topic, I know, sorry.
Well you can't blame the public for wanting to know the truth even if it's from the source. That is a little unfair. However the person in question making the money from it is another matter.

For example, I have this book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1903402700/qid=1092230530/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/202-8482445-2550253) which makes for a very interesting read. Some read them for morbid curiosity, some because they prefer true crime.
I fall into the latter section as well as for research for a screen play I'm writing. However it's interesting to find out what makes these people tick. However if I thought on any level the money would be going to these people I would have flat out refused to buy the book.

So I don't think it's a blaming on society, blame the system which allows prisoner to profit from either there exploits or the time they are serving for doing their deeds.

Anyway, back on topic.

Max

Understood my friend, But, Tell me where in the world would this type of stupidity be allowed. How can leave from prison be given to a rapist. We should have an overall of the compensation system, Maybe, If he was human he would compensate his victims. But, Recalling the case, He was the one that put his victim through hell, Then laughed at her in Court when he was committed, This man should never be allowed to make a profit whilst in prison. Maybe he will use this to hide himself when he is released, Because, He will certainly be a marked man, More so now he has won this money. The sooner this country comes to it's senses regarding crime and criminals the better. This is obscene. I have never in my life condoned violence, Even during my periods of active service. But, I can only hope that justice is served by this man and he gets a very deserving end.

If he was legally out of prison and bought his lotto ticket legally then he is as entitled as anyone else to claim his winnings. The whole point of the lotto is that it is purley random who wins and is in no way based on merrit or judging the morality of winners.

T020

The law works in such stupid ways.

I recall a case very well where the 29 year old rapist of an 11yr old girl in rotherham s/yorkshire had the charges reduced to unlawful sex. Bearing in mind if you recall the case yourself. This 11 yr old girl had a baby in the bathroom of their home before anyone knew about her being pregnant ( hard to believe this though ) The 29 yr old was courting the mother of the girl. The Mother also had a child to this man within weeks of the daughter. Where the law is sick is that this man pleaded not guilty. Putting the girl through hell by having to give evidence. This man later appealed. The sentence was reduced to 4yrs .. I repeat, As with this Lottery Rapist. The law itself is sick. The Judges are out of touch. The twenty nine year old was released from open prison. On release he went looking for the same girl. He started to meet her. This is not the only girl he as ever been with. There is also more to this than I dare to put into this post because it would not be allowed. But, What the H..L is happening in our Country. Where is the punishment and deterrent. I would never once had believed in the death penalty, But with todays technology and the chances of convicting an innocent man very very rare. I now think that we should re-introduce this penalty by way of lethal injection, To All Murderers, Serial Rapists, and Paedophiles.

Originally posted by t020
Incidentally, will the government now charge him for 15 years board and lodgings? There was a story a week or so ago about someone who had been wrongly locked up for 18 years, and after being awarded compensation they were then made to pay for their board and living costs during their time in prison! Surely the same should apply here. I still can't understand why a prisoner serving a life sentence was allowed out for a weekend anyway.

Ah but that is because they were wrongly imprisoned, so whilst being compensated for their injury (being locked up for 20 years) they were seen to have benefitted from free board and lodgings.

They are contesting the sum I understand.

A legally tried and convicted rapist also has board and lodging costs, but these are met by the state when they agree to take total responsibility for them (lock them up).

I would imagine this particular rapist may suddenly find a whole load of new friends, and enemies, inside.

So a big hand to the lottery going public for that...

Originally posted by slimsid2000
If he was legally out of prison and bought his lotto ticket legally then he is as entitled as anyone else to claim his winnings. The whole point of the lotto is that it is purley random who wins and is in no way based on merrit or judging the morality of winners.
He wasn't legally out of prison perse, it's not like he'd been released. He was on a weekend home leave when he bought it.

The way I see it if he hadn't committed those crimes, he would never have been in prison in the first place. Thus chances are he would not have bought that exact ticket at that exact time and thus not won.

As it happens now he's actually gaining financially from his exploits. I'm sorry but if you can't see that then there's something wrong.

He bought the ticket.

After that we must blame the geezer a lot of people call 'God'

That's the third criminal I know of who has won.

And it's the way the cookie crumbles. No envy here.

I am satisfied that I am no criminal, that is enough for me.

Plus of course my own well documented millions....earned in a capitalist environment.

At the moment, the only earners are those in power you see! :D :D ;)

if we don't like the fact that criminals on day release can buy lottery tickets then the law should change.

It can't and shouldn't be changed retroactively though, that way lies chaos.
I don't like it, but he paid for the ticket, he gets the winnings.

Neither should anything unusual be done regarding his winnings now. Rich criminals aren't forced to pay for their stay at her majesties pleasure, nor do they have everything they own confiscated (unless they came by it nefariously).

He's in a minimum security prison, with weekend release. For whatever reason he has been deemed (presumably by pschologists and criminologists) not to be an ongoing threat to society.

But why are criminals given "day release"? Call me naive, but I never knew such a thing existed. I was always under the impression that being locked up meant being locked up. So not only do criminals get leniant sentences to begin with, they also get their sentences halved for "good behaviour", get to go on fun days out and buy lotto tickets, and while actually in prison they get to chill out playing pool, playstation, watching TV, etc. And people wonder why prison doesn't seem to work?! Make prison prison, and make sentences proper sentences (instead of finishing early for good behaviour they should be extended for bad behaviour) and then maybe we might once again have a proper deterrent.

Maybe he is a reformed character now and will divide the winnings between the victims or family of the victims....who knows??

Originally posted by bonny
Maybe he is a reformed character now and will divide the winnings between the victims or family of the victims....who knows??

I wouldn't put money on it bonny.

He for sure will have a lot more scope for re-offending though, he can afford to buy expensive houses,stay in the best hotels and go on long cruises, so that opens up a whole new world for him to explore. Sad isn't it?

can i just say regarding the said comment that i am defending the rapist - i'm not. I' m defending people from crass moral judgements based on biased reporting in the papers to sell more to you gulible *****. I have worked for the afore mentioned organisations that help victims of rape and it is not such a moral black and white issue as you seem to think and the papers lead you to believe.
Most of the cases of rape against children (some very youmg indeed) happened between children and parents. In one case i dealt with the authorities knew it was going on but had little desire to take action because of the difficulties of getting a conviction in family cases. Families tend to stick together when they are put under crisis by the state. So there are plenty of rapists walking around free.
This guy went around raping stranger,s from what we can gather.In our society an infinitely worse crime and easier to punish because of DNA testing.
All I am saying is that there are plenty of rapists that havent even lost their liberty, who are free and can win money and go anywhere. So why not give this guy the one break he's had so that he can go and live somewhere out of the way.
And anyone who says that prison is a soft option for criminals wants to be locked in a small cold room with a total stranger for 20 hours a day and made to **** in a bucket in front of them. Believe ne from what i seen of prisons (no I've never been a prisoner but work sometimes takes me into them) they are not easy or soft options.
So at least this dude is doing his time for his crime unlike some. Rupert murdock gets billions for doing nothing and he's the evilest ****er on the planet with Bush and they get to live in a big fuk off house. Let the guy have the money. He won it fair and square. :mad:

Why shouldn't he win it?

Originally posted by Sidla
Why shouldn't he win it?

Because he should've been in prison at the time and hence been unable to buy a ticket in the first place. Why on earth was a rapist with multiple convictions and a "life" sentence allowed out at the weekend?

Originally posted by t020
Because he should've been in prison at the time and hence been unable to buy a ticket in the first place. Why on earth was a rapist with multiple convictions and a "life" sentence allowed out at the weekend?

To buy a lottery ticket.

Originally posted by Snook
To buy a lottery ticket.

prison

• noun a building for the confinement of criminals or those awaiting trial.



Note: "confinement". Doesn't mention anything about being able to go on days out to buy lottery tickets. Funny that.

So you think long sentances and harsh prison conditions work, and lead to an orderly society t020?

However evil this man is, the £7million pounds is his and nothing can justify taking it from him, he bought the ticket, he took a chance, and at odds against of 17 million to one, he won, I think there is quite a lot of sour grapes here, envy, greed and avarice, a case of, I can't win it ,so why should he be allowed to keep it!!!

I seem to remember in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ saying, and I quote:Do not covet thy neighbours goods, etc. it a case of the big Green Monster rearing its ugly head.

For once Hal, I'm in total agreement.

Hello halavan, long time no hear.

Anyway the point is ' He should not have been let out of prison'.
He is a Lifer and a rapist and therefore is a danger to women so he should be locked up.

Nobody is envious of him winning, he just should not have been given the chance in the first place and thats the whole point.
Life should mean confinement for ever.
Its an insult to his victims and there familys and to the tax payer who has to work hard all week to house the scum bag and then goes on release to do whatever he wants.
Its wrong, the systems wrong and Murderers need hanging, rapists and child abusers need castrating.

So if he had have been castrated, would he then have been allowed to win the lottery?

Obviously we're not going to agree on this but you lot are talking out of your a****. No he shouldn't be allowed to keep it. He should never have been allowed to buy it in the first place.

This guy is a sick individual, he's profiting which ever way you slice it out of his crimes. To use an ironic statement but you'd have better odds of winning the lottery than that sick f*** rapist being in the exact place and time and buying that same ticket had he not committed any crimes at all.

The fact he has that money is irrelevant, the government should allow him to keep it. It should be given to help those who are victims of this sought of crime. At least then the punishment would be closer to paying a debt he owes to society.

And by the way prison isn't as tough as it looks. My best mates mum is a prison governer (not saying where) and I know people who have been locked up. OK locked in a room 20 hrs a day - big deal. And they have toilet not a bucket FFS (government legislation sees to that). They have TV, Pool Tables, Education, 3 meals a day. Back in the old days prison WAS hard, not these days.

OK he's not got his freedom (with the exception of weekends), he should have been locked up and never allowed to have bought that ticket. Let him keep the money, FFS you unsympathetic cretins.... just stop for a minute and just THINK about those lives he's ruined. Those people he's raped have to live with that for life, can you even for one minute imagine what that's like? Can you? No you can't and anyone who says they can without experiencing it is talking b*******.

Seems a bit misleading this thread. The argument doesn't seem to have much to do with the lotto, but more to do with prisons and sentances... isn't there already a thread about that?

There is a thread on that but its also a relevance to this thread because its starts with Rapist wins 7 million on lotto, now the whole point is he should not have been out to win in the first place so the connection is staring you in the face.

Originally posted by halevan
However evil this man is, the £7million pounds is his and nothing can justify taking it from him, he bought the ticket, he took a chance, and at odds against of 17 million to one, he won, I think there is quite a lot of sour grapes here, envy, greed and avarice, a case of, I can't win it ,so why should he be allowed to keep it!!!

I seem to remember in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ saying, and I quote:Do not covet thy neighbours goods, etc. it a case of the big Green Monster rearing its ugly head.

Absolutely correct.

The lottery is all about randomly selecting winners.

He was on a legally sanctioned exeat and he had every right allocated to him, that he required, to buy that ticket.

To bleat on about how this is not what should have happened is a case of 20/20 hindsight.

To say that he does not deserve the money is undoubtably true on a cosmic scale. But if you still think the money should be withheld or taken from him, then you will need to demonstrate that he has profited from his crimes, and not from the beneficience of God, Allah, Lady Luck, whoever.

His victims are certainly within their rights to take civil action, but since it is more than 6 years since his last conviction, they are unlikely to meet with success.

So once more, a big hand to the lottery particpants who paid for his wonderful prize.

I don't think he should have it taken off him now. I think he shouldn't have been out of prison in the first place. It really makes no sense at all for a prisoner serving a life sentence to be out and about buying things. Keep prisoners in prison in future.

Originally posted by t020
I don't think he should have it taken off him now. I think he shouldn't have been out of prison in the first place. It really makes no sense at all for a prisoner serving a life sentence to be out and about buying things. Keep prisoners in prison in future.
Well I certainly think he should have it taken from him and go to a good cause. To think otherwise IMO is plain crazy.

He's profiting from his crimes indirectly, because he got lucky or by directly profiting to me that makes no odds. It looks like he'll get to keep it, if we were in the states I bet he'd have been stripped of it and it given to good causes (or more worthwhile than his sorry ass).

I'll leave this debate here I think, I'm getting wound up already. And before anyone goes OTT it's hardly envy or jealousy, it's more about what's right and wrong. For me, this sick f*** winning keeping this money is most definately wrong. It's such a kick in the teeth to his victims.

Originally posted by DaBouncer
He's profiting from his crimes indirectly

No he's not, unless he stole the pound that he bought his ticket with.

We can't take the money off him because it's his. You win the lottery because you happened to pick the right six numbers. It's not a reward for leading a productive and worthwhile life.

If he'd been given an OBE I could understand people being upset, but he played by the rules of the lottery so he is entitled to his prize.

I also agree with Halevan ... further more:

Why does everyone assume that winning £7 million at random is good fortune !?

Maybe this person will totally repent of his crimes and be a changed person with a changed heart ... and donate all the money to victim support or some simular charity.

Who really knows !?

Mysterious ways .....

How many people have won the lotto who were baddies, we just didn't know it? They hadn't been caught.

Unfortunately, we can't limit winning to deserving single mums and nuns who want to spend the money on the church. I know one Jackpot winner, who won 2.3 million. The man is an absolute arse.

I'm becoming more and more wary of posting on here, because I could end up sounding like some lefty apologist, which couldn't be further from the truth. But this bloke, who is horrid, was on day release after serving lots of years for attempted rape. Now in Tobyworld, he would be singing in a very high voice whilst naked cherubs juggled his gonads in front of him daily. Fortunately for him, Tobyworld has yet to be accepted by modern society. In the mean time, he's won it. How may rapists who haven't been caught have also won it? No-one knows.

If you're going to sign up to the get rich quick mentality, it's difficult to attach morals.

Who else should be banned? Non payment of fines is a criminal offence. What about the single mums in nick for nonpayment of the TV license? Ban them too?

But why was he on day release anyway???? That for me is the only issue here.

Originally posted by t020
But why was he on day release anyway???? That for me is the only issue here.

Because that's the way the system works.

Phew, an easy one.

Originally posted by Toby
Because that's the way the system works.

Phew, an easy one.

Then the system is clearly wrong. No rapist serving a life sentence should be allowed out on weekend jollies.

Originally posted by RODGERS
We are becoming a sick society to allow this. Maybe when Howard gets in next year we will see some massive alterations

You must be mad if you think Howard will improve things like this.... why didn't he do it when he was Home Secretary a few years ago?

I think the government should stop day-releases of serious offenders. I thought the idea of day releases was to gradually re-introduce criminals who are about to be released back into society, so I don't know why they let this serial rapist out... unless they are planning to release him from his "life" sentence so he can rape again.

I also think that prisoners should be supervised closely when buying things, and things like lottery tickets should be refused to them.

Originally posted by Snook
Doesn't sound like a very nice person at all, but lets face it, if we wanted money to go to the most deserving we'd have to scrap the lottery all together. I'm sure he isn't the first criminal to win money on it, and he won't be the last. i undersatnd what your saying but my point was he shouldn't have been in a position to buy a ticket,I.E. out on the streets..he should have been banged up.

miniminch

You have the wrong views of prisons. Yes some are ancient and need modernizing. My only comment regarding prisons is the fact that there are many people in prison that should not be. The prison population could be cut by a vast ammount. Mind you Blunkett will soon fill them up more with all the stupid unthought out laws he is puuting forward. But back to prisons, There is a massive drug problem, prisoners can manage to get mobile phones smuggled in. Cash is available etc etc. Open prisons are like holiday camps. A big change is needed. We need prisons where those that do deserve prison will be afraid to return to. Visits in a closed environment and behind screens. No outside contractors to clean etc. No computers or tv's in the cells. Those that are in prison should only be allowed their basci rights and no more. For the petty criminal, We should have local jails that operate a work farm system, Where those that are just a nuisance ie. shoplifters, petty criminals etc. can be sent. Any other crime that warrants prison. where the offender is not a risk to society, Also Football Hooligans and the like, Should be made to go to a local jail for the weekends. Maybe instead of planning more prisons Michael Howard should be planning how to make use of the plenty that we have got. We now need to have tougher, stricter jails. We need a detterent. We also need to bring in a system such as Lads Army the t.v. programme on Yorkshire t.v. ( on a compulsory basis ). Re competitions involving cash. There are rules in may competitions some that are televised, Where the contestant has to declare that they do not have a criminal record. This should be written in all comps that give cash. Not for all ex crims, Just for those that have committed certain offences where cash, or compensations . fraud etc are involved.Mind you. Blunkett will have us all in jail soon. What about Blunkett when his dog messes. I have seen this on more than one occasion. No-One follows him to pick it up...

There was a list in one of the newspapers last week about what is allowed in a prison cell. It included:

budgies (maximum of 2)
TV
radio
kettle
video game system

Maybe we should send Blunkett for a while... However, Open prisons do get much more. Again, Though I believe that prisons should be tough, Recently a youth I know was on so called home leave, He was telling me how stressful it can be in an open prison, Where when a prisoner is depressed there is a temptation to run. On the other hand there is also more drugs, Also several other things that happen that cannot be mentioned over the net. Now we have a case of Blunkett trying to stop petty crime using heavy handed tactics. Whist his dog messes up the pavements, with immunity from prosecution.

I do not know if it is legal for every bank in the country,to not accept this guy's cheque,then it is a worthless peice of paper.A offender cannot go into the bookies or a casino but a scumbag like him can buy a lottery ticket.It is the same with the 19 yrs ex binman who is currently in prison for theft & drugs offences.If criminal activities come from winning the lottery then the government should bring in legislation to freeze the account & give the money to charity.A local Ice Cream seller in Barnsley won £1.9m & he went to France & brought illegal amounts of cigarettes into the country.He was a greedy SOB.Some people are never satisfied with what they have ,they must have more.Blunkett say's he is bringing in new legislation to stop this happening again this is typicall of our country, stable horse & bolt come to mind.

lets just look at the facts for a minute.

He WAS on day release.
If you don't like it, write to your MP, but it can't be changed now, it happened in the past.

He LEGALLY bought that lottery ticket.
Since laws are not passed retroactively nothing can be done about that, nor would it be right to do so.

He won the money.
It's nothing to do with worth or morality, he got lucky. It happens. Life isn't fair, or even nice, learn to live with it.

That money is his, banks not accepting cheques is ridiculous, and probably illegal. There is no legal basis to take any of the money from him, nor do anything else about the situation.
The best that can be done is to change the law for the future. As to horses bolting etc... Hindsights a wonderful thing, with your perfect vision did you write to your MP and suggest that exactly this sort of thing would happen, or did it take you by surprise just like everyone else???

I see on tonight's news on channel four that his wife is planning on getting her hands on some of it supposedly to give to the people who he raped and assaulted, it will be interesting to see if she has any joy doing it or if he employs some sharp lawyers to keep it to himself.

that's an interesting one.
Legally they are still married.
But they have been seperated for a long time, so why should she be entitled to any of the money?

I don't know if she's entitled to any or not, but you can bet theres some smart brief who is waiting in the wings with another equally smart one on the other side who are both champing at the bit for a fat pay day.....oh well it will be a bit less for him to worry about.

[i]That money is his, banks not accepting cheques is ridiculous, and probably illegal. There is no legal basis to take any of the money from him, nor do anything else about the situation.
The best that can be done is to change the law for the future. As to horses bolting etc... Hindsights a wonderful thing, with your perfect vision did you write to your MP and suggest that exactly this sort of thing would happen, or did it take you by surprise just like everyone else??? [/B] It looks like David Blunkett is going to change the law after this as he as announced it today.

As I said Blunkett is a complete watse of time. But, There are competitions, whereas if winners have a criminal record ( not spent ) they cannot claim winnings. Maybe if people look at the small print of some competitions this is noticed. But, There are also some t.v game shows that check out competitors for this very reason. There is a point in law that does allow for his victims to claim against him, Also for the 60+ year old that he raped. If she has passed on, Then her family can make a claim. There are many ways to do this, There are also ways that are written into the European Laws. Also it is possible for the legal aid to reclaim all costs incurred in his trial..... Mind we will have problems with any new law, As mentioned today, Any new laws that are introduced, Did you hear Liberty make a quote that they are all racist, That these new laws that are being introduced are being brought in to harrass the black population, Maybe we should allow Blacks, As well as Black Britons, Govern themselves. Maybe we can pay them to protect society as we do now on may housing estates...At the same time I must pay my respects to the Asian Community. A hard working, Polite, Educated community. Well deserving to be part of British Society.
Who very rarely use the race card to get thier own way.

Originally posted by Cyclone
lets just look at the facts for a minute.

He WAS on day release.
If you don't like it, write to your MP, but it can't be changed now, it happened in the past.

He LEGALLY bought that lottery ticket.
Since laws are not passed retroactively nothing can be done about that, nor would it be right to do so.

He won the money.
It's nothing to do with worth or morality, he got lucky. It happens. Life isn't fair, or even nice, learn to live with it.

That money is his, banks not accepting cheques is ridiculous, and probably illegal. There is no legal basis to take any of the money from him, nor do anything else about the situation.
The best that can be done is to change the law for the future. As to horses bolting etc... Hindsights a wonderful thing, with your perfect vision did you write to your MP and suggest that exactly this sort of thing would happen, or did it take you by surprise just like everyone else??? Like everyone else mate,I thought the law covered all betting,unless you have a few months to read all the legislation regarding criminals being able to bet laws.It it is up to the Government to set laws & do the right thing on behalf of the people in our country & not allow such stupid loopholes in the law.There are too many out of date laws in this country that need updating.If it is wrong for a criminal to go into a bookies etc why should they be allowed to buy a lottery ticket it is still gambling???

the rational for not allowing criminals on release into bookies is to stop them mixing with the unsavoury types that apparently frequent such places, not to stop them winning any money.

There is no provision for legal aid to be reclaimed when someone comes into money after the event, only if they have money at the time.

It stands to reason that victims can take out private civil prosectutions against people, it's easier to secure a conviction in fact. The problem with doing it now is that it's been so long since the offence...

No - One has mentioned yet, That prisoners on leave from prison, Are not allowed on licensed properties. ie. Pubs, Casino's. Night clubs Race Tracks are also included. Bookies. So this should go some way towards the arguement " Are Criminals allowed to gamble ? ? This debate could go on forever, But, I have the feeling that this man will not enjoy his winnings, They will only bring him grief. He will be wishing that he had never bought the darn ticket. Especially since it has earned him a trip back to a high security jail.

Cyclone.The unsavoury people who go into a betting office.I know Lawyers,Doctors & other people who are well respected in there line of work & community go into bookies.Going into a betting office does not make you unsavoury.Personally I do not go into betting offices as I do not bet on horses.But I have a go on the lottery like millions of others in the country.A lot of good has come from the lottery,the Irish lady with cancer who won the £20m.Now they are the people who deserve it & the Sheffield couple who won £7m a few years ago gave most to family & charity.It is when scum like the rapist win, ok he paid his £1 so you might say he is entitled like everyone else to win,but that does not make it right.decency prevails.

I note that the government are now engaged in a knee-jerk reaction in saying that convicted criminals should be prevented from playing the lottery. Well, it didn't take a genius to work out beforehand that in a game of chance, some toe-rags including serious criminals were going to win. So why wasn't anything done at the outset to bar those serving prison sentences or with serious criminal records?

Originally posted by Lickszz
I note that the government are now engaged in a knee-jerk reaction in saying that convicted criminals should be prevented from playing the lottery. Well, it didn't take a genius to work out beforehand that in a game of chance, some toe-rags including serious criminals were going to win. So why wasn't anything done at the outset to bar those serving prison sentences or with serious criminal records? Totally agree mate,like I said in my post bolt door horse,always the same responce from whichever government that is in at the time.

Doesn't he have to attend a meeting to collect his prize and have counselling? If so and it happens when he does not have leave then I assume it falls within the realm of natural justice.

after all it is ANYBODIES game and if you play the game "thems yer chances". Unless of course there is small print on the lottery tickets stating that nasty people cannot play.

;)

Originally posted by tosh13
Totally agree mate,like I said in my post bolt door horse,always the same responce from whichever government that is in at the time.

And further proves my point that Politicians are stupid ignoramuses :loopy:

No wonder nobody votes in local elections much any more.

I didn't say that i agreed, I said that it was the original rationalle behind the law.

Originally posted by tosh13
Cyclone.The unsavoury people who go into a betting office.I know Lawyers,Doctors & other people who are well respected in there line of work & community go into bookies.Going into a betting office does not make you unsavoury.Personally I do not go into betting offices as I do not bet on horses.But I have a go on the lottery like millions of others in the country.A lot of good has come from the lottery,the Irish lady with cancer who won the £20m.Now they are the people who deserve it & the Sheffield couple who won £7m a few years ago gave most to family & charity.It is when scum like the rapist win, ok he paid his £1 so you might say he is entitled like everyone else to win,but that does not make it right.decency prevails.

I use the Bookies every day, So do most of my friends, Yes ! one is even a doctor, Another a Magistrate. 3 Nurses that have a go on the RAPIDO. No-One says that these places are unsavoury, They can be good places to meet socially etc. I spend quite a lot and win quite a lot Give and take.... What the post said was that convicted criminals on leave are not allowed in a bookies, or for that matter any licensed premises. They are restricted. The rules should read That those on leave should not indulge in boozing and / or Gambling. Rapists especially should be on tag. The movement of any dangerous imbecile should be restricted.

very good. But as i already said, it's not what i believe, it's the original intent of the law.

The intent was not to stop criminals serving time from gambling, why would it be so wrong for them to place a bet on the 4:30 at Doncaster?

Prisoners on leave are expected to follow prison rules on the outside. This does seem ilogical, However. Leave in not meant for socialising in bars or other places of similar nature. Prison leave is meant to help the prisoner to start to readapt to family life and to begin ti rebuild his own ...There are many things that a prisoner can do whilst on leave to help make his life easier when he is released. In theory this sounds a good thing, In practice it is a different thing. Many prisoners see leave as a test, To see if they would return.. It is difficult for them to return, and many do not. That is why it is irresponsible to let a dangerous prisoner out on leave without supervision.. Great. If winning the lottery would help them to regain a little respect in life, and compensate thier victims.. If this would even make the prisoner a different person. But, As we found in the scum bag Carol. Sometimes giving some people a vast sum of money can make them worse. The thought of the power they think they may have, The legal assistance for instance that carol bought, They made this man out to be a victim. Anyone else would have recieved several years in prison for the drug charges alone... There is no easy answer, solve one problem, This will only create another. So we are left with a vicious circle...