I was down town today and 5 people came up to me and asked me if i was in favour of letting imigrants in to the country I said no. After that they asked me to explain myself why I was a racist.
can you believe that?

they would'nt stop talking to me untill I pushed the guy.

ask you'r self this question if your government where ruling you like sadam was would you run or would you stand and fight.

Delicate issue but I would've also answered no, purely because our beloved Gov' have let far too many in already and I personally feel that they are being allowed to take over their own little areas and push native UK people out in one way or another. It's a sad day in the UK when we're not even allowed to fly our own flag in certain places for fear of upsetting the immigrants.

God forbid!!! :rolleyes:

Yaeh tell me about it my cousin can't even where an england t-shirt to school anymore but if it does'nt promote the english badge then it's ok.

Great Britian whats happened to you.

I'd like to see them try that in America. ;)

I was called a racist because I refused to sign some petition or other that the socialist workers party had going on fargate.
Where do they get the worker bit from as all they seem to do is buy a decorating table and a megaphone and spend their whole days bothering people who just want to spend their hard earned cash.

Another time some bearded lunatic was following me with a clipboard mithering on on about incinerators and he got told that the best place for him would be inside one when its burning nice and hot!

Dragon

This country is becoming like soviet russia you must toe the p c line or be branded racist.
If you think it is bad now then imagine in 20 yrs or so when the immigrant poulation is far larger,your rights will be even more curtailed.

I think people are beginning to realise that they are being forced into a corner by people who can twist whatever is said to suit their own beliefs i.e. loony left who are still pushing it in the schools.

Dragon

Originally posted by Deadstar
I was down town today and 5 people came up to me and asked me if i was in favour of letting imigrants in to the country I said no. After that they asked me to explain myself why I was a racist.
can you believe that?

they would'nt stop talking to me untill I pushed the guy.

ask you'r self this question if your government where ruling you like sadam was would you run or would you stand and fight.

where in town?

who were they? can you describe them? Where they part of an organised demo or petition?

Hunt the stalinists down ,we'll find them.

By simply suggesting supporting the british flag / union jack/ cross of st george are you being racist?

Just wait till Ahmed sees this - you'll all be painted with his brush:loopy:

I hate to say it but you lot put this government in power. Remember 'things can only get better.' How many wars do you need before you all realise that it doesn't matter who you vote for the government always win!
The solution lies in a overhaul of the entire political machine. The civil service run Whitehall no matter who gets in - they are too powerful and have their own agendas which favour the ruling elite - so they never loose. Which political party will abolish a system that got them in power in the first place? none. Without a revolution we are lost!
The imigrant situation is another smoke screen that is cheap to be seen to be tough on. You watch, just before the election those borders will tighten and the problem will appear solved thus making Labour seem like a party of action. They have to scare the pants off us first so we think the problem is bigger than it is. This convieniently steers the electorate away from the real issues that are much harder to adress- poverty - health.
We have to accept responsibility for the imigrant situation as we and certainly our government is in some way the cause of it.
If you don't like what this government is doing (and frankly you'd have to be mad to) vote them out.
In stead of spending trillions of our money blowing the **** out of people we don't know, we could provide them with hospitals and infrastructures for a fraction of the cost and would give our companies work providing this. Perhaps then people wouldn't want to flee halfway around the world - problem solved! If we bomb people don't be suprised if some of them come here.
Unfortunately, the people who make weapons are far too powerful and probbably have most of the civil service on the pay roll in some form. The same civil service who advise every government who we elect. You see the dilema! It pays for them to pay people to advise the government to go to war so they will buy more weapons from.....................them! We're ****ed!! But don't blame the imigrants. We relied on them after the second world war and we need them now. This is such a non issue but the government wants you to believe it is because if screwed up so badly elsewhere.
You see I can be serious! And I'm not even a socialist!:rolleyes:

Sorry I went on a bit!!

made some good points but killed your argument with the 'civil service' comment. Whoever gets in, they'll still be the same people pulling the strings..

Originally posted by Internetowl
By simply suggesting supporting the british flag / union jack/ cross of st george are you being racist?

Just wait till Ahmed sees this - you'll all be painted with his brush:loopy:

Who is Ahmed? Is this the Big Brother thread?

Originally posted by Deadstar
I was down town today and 5 people came up to me and asked me if i was in favour of letting imigrants in to the country I said no. After that they asked me to explain myself why I was a racist.
can you believe that?

they would'nt stop talking to me untill I pushed the guy.

ask you'r self this question if your government where ruling you like sadam was would you run or would you stand and fight.


Err, this didn't happen did it?




Thought not.

Do bear in mind Socialist worker is extreme left in the same way Daily Mail is extreme right.... Probably not representative of the norm.

Does she mean Abdul?

Originally posted by Deadstar
I was down town today and 5 people came up to me and asked me if i was in favour of letting immigrants in to the country I said no. After that they asked me to explain myself why I was a racist.
can you believe that?

they would'nt stop talking to me until I pushed the guy.

ask you'r self this question if your government where ruling you like sadam was would you run or would you stand and fight.

I suggest that you use the search function to search for the many threads covered on asylum seekers and immigration policy. I appreciate that you are new to the forum, but if you search for previous threads It will save it all being covered again.

To answer your question, I think if I were facing certain death or the chance of escape, i'd probably choose escaping. I'd prefer the chance to survive. Having not been in the situation, i can't realistically say what I'd do. Have you been in the situation? what did/would you do?h

its ok looking at it from that view, put our rights as British people are disapering so fast.

We real British are basically being told to shut up by certal people calling us racist. That is old hat, so cut the ****.

Stop letting these into our contry, and give us back our rights. I for one, wont be told not to disply the contrys colours. They can brand me what the hell they like.

I do love other cultures etc, but this is getting rediculas.

Indeed! did you not notice that people have been quite happily flying the st George's cross for the football in recent months. Have you actually been told not to fly your flag. Stop being paranoid, tattoo a flag to your head, no one will arrest you.

I've not noticed my rights disappearing at all. So have nothing to complain about really.

Erm, who exactly would you like to stop moving into the country? everyone?

please don't attach yourself to your britishness too much, you're a mongrel just like most of us in this country.

I know, i'm repeating what i've said before. will stop now.

night night!

Originally posted by Andy C
Do bear in mind Socialist worker is extreme left in the same way Daily Mail is extreme right.... Probably not representative of the norm.

Much as I dislike the Mail, I'd hardly say it's "extreme right". Not in the way that the Socialist Worker paper is extreme left, anyway.

What's the BNP paper called - Bulldog, or something? Now that's extreme right.

In answer to Deadstar's original question, no I can't believe that 5 people came up to you and asked about immigrants. I've lived in Sheffield all my life and that's never happened.

I think you just wanted to spark up a debate about the usual immigrant/asylum seeker question which gets all the complainers and whingers started. We've heard it all before - and if anyone wants to wear an England shirt or wave the flag then just do it. People don't object to that, but the yobbish behaviour that sometimes goes with it.

These forums are like touchstones!
For the ignorant - a touchstone is a dark coloured stone, historically used to determine the purity of gold.
Traders of gold would rub the metal against the stone leaving a mark. The mark varied according to the quality of the gold.
Now I'm no gold trader....
....but there are some fools gold markings on this touchstone.

And Deathaxe, you're just a waste of bandwidth! Perhaps you should stand as the BNP candiate for bullsh**ville at the next election.

hey guys I never asked you to reply to my message it happened to me yesterday and I told you about it.

And BlackCherry if you would rather run than stay and fight then that makes you weak and thats one thing britain does'nt need.

Coward

So how many situations have you been in that you had to stay an fight deadstar? sounds like you're quite experienced in it. You must have been persecuted at some point, otherwise you wouldn't be making such harsh judgements about people.

Just to avoid confusion some people are having I think Deadstar is talking of a group of 5 people (together) who came up to him. Not 5 people on seperate occassions, as some of you seem to think. Is this correct Deadstar?

Originally posted by Internetowl
made some good points but killed your argument with the 'civil service' comment. Whoever gets in, they'll still be the same people pulling the strings..
Deeeeeeeer That was what I said!:loopy:

I think that clipboard and protest guys are way too pushy. They treat you as if the issue they are protesting against is personally your fault.

I don't have a problem with refugees choosing to live in britain. Most I have met are actually very polite people.

What I do have a problem with is bogus refugees who only come to this country to live from the benefits system like that Kosovan guy in the paper.
I also object to me and my friends being unable to walk past certain refugee guys without getting cheesy chatup lines or dirty err... movements.

Plus I object to guys like the extreme islamic preacher who enter the country as a refugee and then slag off not just everything british, but everything western too.

I can't for the life of me understand why the government dosen't just deport all the refugee trouble makers. Leave us with the nice refugees instead.

Plus britain has enough nasty natives to last us a lifetime. I don't need more.

Originally posted by miniminch
Sorry I went on a bit!!

Yep!

Oh god here we go again.
Deadstar. I've heard the story about kids not being able to wear their England shirts to school. Whenever I have checked out the story the usual response is that it is not part of the school uniform.
PM me the name of the school that your cousin goes to and I will find out why they were not allowed to wear it.
I have got a day off today and I like researching things like this.
I live in Sharrow and the mix of race's and cultures adds to a vibrant community. Thats not to say that we have not got our problems but it is no where nears as bad as some other parts of Sheffield.
I am white and from a working class background. My dad was an illegal immigrate to this country in the 1960's. He came here for work from Ireland and to get away from the troubles. Not too different to what is happening now. He worked in the steel industry as a crane driver until the steel industry went belly up. he has been on benefits pretty much ever since.
No doubt he's the sort of person that the far right would want to repatrate to make it safe for all you god fearing English people.

its ok looking at it from that view, put our rights as British people are disapering so fast.

We real British are basically being told to shut up by certal people calling us racist. That is old hat, so cut the ****.

Stop letting these into our contry, and give us back our rights. I for one, wont be told not to disply the contrys colours. They can brand me what the hell they like.

I do love other cultures etc, but this is getting rediculas.

Why is it that people who mindlessly defend Britishness from foreign influence have such a loose grip on the English language. Could you imagine what would happen to this country if all the 'foreigners' did go home?

I've just read the post "Can You Believe This". Left wing sandle wearing do gooders are trying to ruin this country. They all live in their comfortable middle class areas and haven't got a clue what really goes on on the streets. These assylum seekers are coming from supposedly oppressive countries but the government places them in areas that have got enough home grown problems already.
How would these lefties feel if 100 assylum seeking families were placed next door to them in Hathersage, Dore or Totley or wherever they come from?

MOD: Merged into this thread as we really don't need another thread on asylum seekers.

Originally posted by nez75
I've just read the post "Can You Believe This". Left wing sandle wearing do gooders are trying to ruin this country. They all live in their comfortable middle class areas and haven't got a clue what really goes on on the streets. These assylum seekers are coming from supposedly oppressive countries but the government places them in areas that have got enough home grown problems already.
How would these lefties feel if 100 assylum seeking families were placed next door to them in Hathersage, Dore or Totley or wherever they come from?

What are you on? Since when were Hathersage, Dore or Totley well known for being populated by "lefties"?:loopy:

Who exactly were these people? Are you saying they jsut approach total strangers in the street and start asking them questions like this for no reason?

Originally posted by slimsid2000
Who exactly were these people? Are you saying they jsut approach total strangers in the street and start asking them questions like this for no reason?

The person who started the thread about people coming up to him/her in the street and asking questions titled the thread "can you believe it?" and judging by some of the replies I don't think many people do believe him/her. I know I certainly don't!

Originally posted by nez75
I've just read the post "Can You Believe This". Left wing sandle wearing do gooders are trying to ruin this country. They all live in their comfortable middle class areas and haven't got a clue what really goes on on the streets. These assylum seekers are coming from supposedly oppressive countries but the government places them in areas that have got enough home grown problems already.
How would these lefties feel if 100 assylum seeking families were placed next door to them in Hathersage, Dore or Totley or wherever they come from?

MOD: Merged into this thread as we really don't need another thread on asylum seekers.

Really, please stop making silly assumptions about where people live and where they stand on the political map. There is more to life than left and right. If only life was that simple.

Is it just me but I thought that BNP were just anti-islam. They seem to be the only refugees they target.

I have a lot of sympathy with the views expressed in this section,

the law in this country has gone too far in promoting the racism issue i.e. a white person dare not speak their mind unless they are accused of racial bias, which is not necessarily true.

The time has come to stand up and be counted, not a revolution as some nut case has suggested, that would be insane, but resist any more erosion of the white people's rights.

We, the whites, are entitled to speak our minds and be forthright about our opinions and if we think something is wrong, say it and be damned, they can't put us all in prison.

what type of white person should stand up? there's a lot of different shades of white. Would we have to be really milky in colour, or is someone slightly off white ok? someone with a tan, would that be ok. I think that you need to clarify the point

Originally posted by halevan
We, the whites, are entitled to speak our minds and be forthright about our opinions and if we think something is wrong, say it and be damned, they can't put us all in prison.

Why do we continue to label ourselves and each other by race? We're all exactly the same. We're all People, for goodness sake.

Just out of interest (an slightly off topic), how many of you who so evidently hate those with darker skin so much, spend time each year trying to get a sun-tan to darken your own skin?

Originally posted by Hodge
Why do we continue to label ourselves and each other by race? We're all exactly the same. We're all People, for goodness sake.

Just out of interest (an slightly off topic), how many of you who so evidently hate those with darker skin so much, spend time each year trying to get a sun-tan to darken your own skin?

Who do you mean by 'we' ... I happen to agree ... we (people) are all the same and I wouldn't discriminate against or for a person on any grounds (race, colour, sexuality, gender, physical disabilities or anything else).

From a legal perspective however ... people are not the same ... hence there are laws regarding discrimination.

Originally posted by Jamie
Who do you mean by 'we'

Sorry, I meant 'we' as in people in general, as opposed to any specific group.

Ahh, that old nut hey - the asylum seekers.....

The people voted in the Gov't - its hard to blame the asylum seekers getting in if the law permits them to do so.

Having said that, the US was built on having mass immigration from around the world, and its something they are thoroughly aware of, although their foreign policy could do with a new lick of paint.

Anyway, back to topic - I agree that there are maybe too many asylum seekers here, however..... its important to note, some of these guys are more than happy to come here and work their balls off, but guess what - they are not allowed to by the Gov't policy which dictates what Asylum Seekers can and can't do in terms of earning. Would be be so harsh if say for example, they were working people, earning a wage, paying their taxes?

Or would we then turn around and ay they are taking British jobs?

Another point to note, the BNP say asian communities have aken over entire areas of some cities - thats true.
They neglect to look at why thats the case, and majoritarily its because they have lived in the area most of their lives, the housing stock was poor when they moved there, and no other wanted to know.

If the BNP did come into power, would they really operate a voluntary repatriation scheme? Would be interesting to see what happens to the NHS and the like, or would they have a 'different' policy for those who are there to serve the 'british' people?

Originally posted by Rusted Root
Is it just me but I thought that BNP were just anti-islam. They seem to be the only refugees they target.

I think they target anyone who isn't British and/or isn't white, so, no, not just people who follow Islam, though the BNP do seem to target them more than others. And their current voluntary (encouraged?) repatriation ideas not long ago were compulsory repatriation ideas. Any kind of blanket repatriation policy is scary, compulsory or not - no doubt if the BNP had any power this 'media friendly' reigning in of their venom would soon be reversed and anyone not matching the template frogmarched to Dover.

I came across the latest Home Office figures this morning for asylum seekers, so from memory...

In the first quarter of 2004 there were 9000 applications. In the same period 5000 asylum seekers who had applications turned down were deported.

Hardly ties in with the BNP lies does it?

No and it has been like that for a while, only a few years ago there were more people leaving this country than coming to it.

Originally posted by Hodge
Why do we continue to label ourselves and each other by race? We're all exactly the same. We're all People, for goodness sake.


Look out, Neil from the Young Ones is in the house!

Originally posted by carcrash
No and it has been like that for a while, only a few years ago there were more people leaving this country than coming to it.

OH MY GOD, It's true - soon we will be a white minority in a sea of dark skinned faces

<packs his bags for the costa del..>

Originally posted by miniminch
And I'm not even a socialist!:rolleyes:

Thats all right - neither is Tony Blair!!!!

Originally posted by Rusted Root
Is it just me but I thought that BNP were just anti-islam. They seem to be the only refugees they target.

They only target the obviously different - they have to make things obvious for their neanderthal members!

P.S. Apologies to the neanderthals!!!

Originally posted by mojoworking
Look out, Neil from the Young Ones is in the house!

I think I'll go out on a limb and take that as a complement :P