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WHY can't the council/police do something NOW about this? I get really wound up reading things like this, it's clear that this lady is being victimised so why not get the offenders banged up in jail or given a damn good kickin'?

Perhaps we could form some community police force. A big group of us go round at weekends. One takes her out shopping the rest stand guard and make sure these yobs know the score if they mess about. Makes me so mad that the real police can't do anything about it. They need top be caught in the act and issued with an ASBO

perhaps the council are too busy chasing people for high hedges
to do something about this?

Makes me angry too and I live near this lady, you just don`t know whats happening on your door step do you

Nothing you can do Im afraid, as society as organised by people of a certain political bent , favour the perpetrator rather than the victim.

Dragon

I read somewhere that most criminals commit crime within two miles of where they live. Given that most politicians (or those with any real power) must live miles from the crime hotspots, it doesn't really give them any incentive to do anything about the problem. If they stuck their neck out and actually tried to address the issues, they'd inevitably get shot down by the civil liberties groups for being too heavy handed.

There's only one thing these type of yobs understand, and that's a good kicking, then maybe another kicking.
My grandma has had similar problems, it was (cough) sorted and now there isn't a peep out of any of them.

There are the obvious dangers of taking the law into your own hands, but all these ASBO's and cerfews etc do not do that much good as the groups just move from area to area when they are banned.

On a kind of related subject, on the news the other week was a report about a village where a group of yobs had been given an ASBO. We saw, on the news, footage of them starting a fire, destroying a fence and stealing patio furniture and throwing it onto someone's roof.

They interviewed the mother of one of these louts, who said "It's not fair. They're treating my child like a criminal." SHE IS A CRIMINAL! But with parents like that, is there any wonder. :loopy:

Where are South Yorkshire Police? Why aren't they doing somthing about this woman, who apparantly made her first complaint months ago. :mad:

We are told that crime is going down,, That is a laugh. Blunkett is ignorant, All he bothers about is abusing his power, Power is a nasty weapon, This man lives in a dream world, He does not seem to care that crime is going up. There are massive numbers of unreported crime, I met an 83 yr old. He had his bag stolen with all his shopping in it while stood at a bus stop. He would not report it, The same man was burgled he would not report it. If anyone reports a criminal now, They are victimised not only by the young scum that do this, But they are made to feel more depressed by the Police. I know of many crimes that have gone unreported. It is a good job I am not in the Civil Service. I would be sacked....By Blunkett of course.

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having been both the victim and the witness to this sort of thing, it does take the court YEARS to sort out an ASBO - and then the courts are usually on the side of the offender.
the law IS an ass, and the judges STINK!!!!!
having seen a neighbour be the victim of countless window smashings, abuse, etc for over 18 months, and the police/courts just smack the offender on the wrist, I have NO faith in the systme any longer. ASBOs are NO good, the offenders just cry in court and the judges are sympathetic to them, not the victims!!!!

:mad: :loopy: :mad: :loopy:

I fully agree with you. ASBO's are a waste of time. We need real punishments brought back, We need to get rid of the Do-Gooder Social workers and those that assist the criminal. We also need to stop paying out vast sums of money in benefits to parents whos children are suffering from the so called ADHD. syndrome.

Maybe it's time the police in this country adopted a Zero Tollerance approach to this behaviour.
Setup some American style boot camps and lock these kids up for a while and have them scared ****less inside.

This stuff makes me sick, and whats worse is the parents of these kids don't give a toss either AND incourage it!

MAYBE WE SHOULD SEND SOME PARENTS TO BOOT CAMP, THE KIDS WE SHOULD SEND TO WHAT WHAT ONCE KNOWN AS BORSTAL. TO BE EDUCATED. OVER 16'S. WELL I RECKON WE COULD FOLLOW THE LEAD OF THE TV PROGRAMME " BAD LADS ARMY ". MAKE THEM ATTEND FOR 3 MONTHS COMPULSORY NATIONAL SERVICE TRAINING 50's STYLE. NOT MANY OF THESE SCUM BAGS AND DRUGGIES WILL BE ABLE TO HACK THAT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY ALL THEY ARE ARE COWARDS THAT ARE PROTECTED BY DO-GOODERS, CIVIL RIGHTS WORKERS, HIGHLY PAID SOLICITORS FINANCED BY US. TAKE ALL THIS AWAY, WHAT HAVE WE GOT. A COWARD

simple. Every time a litle scroat gets caught doing a crime fine their parents 200 quid...they'd soon stop...

Problem is.. Fining parents makes matters worse, They send out the kids to burgle some poor individual to pay the fins. Or they manage to con some extra cash from the social. Did you hear the one about the family at Parsons Cross. Because of stress caused by the police searchung their home, ( where may I add stolen goods were found, Along with a large stash of dope ) This family were sent to an Hotel in Bridlington to help them recover from the stress. I was born 45 years too early.

Unfortunately, things have now gone too far down the line for any crackdowns, curfews, ASBO's etc to be of any real benefit. Fire must be fought with fire. These chavs, louts, duggies, herberts, yobs, call them what you will, are the people who have the upper hand in society today. They have no fear of authority ie police, teachers, council etc, and view prison as a mere ocupational hazard. IMOH, this cycle can only be broken using Draconian measures, preferably most of the ones mentioned in earlier posts, ie Boot Camps, National Service etc ( I would also add public birchings) are the only way out of the mess that society has allowed itself to get into.
I do apologise to any do-gooders out there but, there really is no other way.

You are right there Drgonsoup.The people who favor the perps are called Lefties eg David Blunkett who is about as much use as a chocolate teapot.He is also told what to do by the do-gooders who are nothing but crackpots what live in ivory towers.These people are to blame for the way things are today.

Become what I would call a 'leftie' let the people who work for a living pay for your education. Get a job with 4 months a year sick pay and use every single day , again the ordinary working man has to pay for this! I know personally 2 teachers who can pay their mortgage and run a car this way whilst not lifting a finger.
Question what they are doing and you are a 'FASCIST'

In short when the whole country has finished its descent into a pile of rat****, it will be the governments fault, doesnt matter which one is in power.

Suppose the mods will knock my post off for this as it doesnt fit their views


Dragon

If the mods knock your post off, It would prove that free speech is not valued, But, The internet is a good way to get points over, I know there are many that would like to stop even this. I use a site called "just response", They have been threatened with legal action, All they have done is to print the truth, But, They upset Blunkett, OOPs not a wise thing to do in the present climate. I just hope that one day maybe next year, The electorate will see this man for what he is, He is a power crazed control freak, He has got everyone running scared, Even his own party talk about his policies behind his back, But, They are afraid to tell him to his face. Blunkett has done a lot of damage to this country. Also to the Labour Party. Our country is not as democratic and as free as people think, The criminals and do-gooders now rule. As they say " The lunatics have taken over the asylum".

Originally posted by dragonsoup


Suppose the mods will knock my post off for this as it doesnt fit their views

No, this is one mod who'll leave your rant in as it amuses me to see you blame the lefties for the probems caused by the cut backs in public services undertaken by the right wingers. Where are our figures of authority such as park keepers and bus conductors? All lost during the 80's and 90's during the public service purges.

No, keep on posting, it's fun. :D

Go on Max tell me Margaret Thatcher was to blame for getting rid of bus conductors! pleeease.
And if you think this is fun then maybe you need even more nightschool classes or something battery operated that isnt a laptop.

Dragon

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Go on Max tell me Margaret Thatcher was to blame for getting rid of bus conductors! pleeease.
And if you think this is fun then maybe you need even more nightschool classes or something battery operated that isnt a laptop.

Dragon

Oh pleeeease let's keep Maggie out of this. If it isn't fun then why are we here?

Originally posted by RODGERS
If the mods knock your post off, It would prove that free speech is not valued, But, The internet is a good way to get points over, I know there are many that would like to stop even this.

We like free speech within the rules on Sheffield Forum :thumbsup:


Originally posted by RODGERS
I use a site called "just response", They have been threatened with legal action, All they have done is to print the truth, But, They upset Blunkett, OOPs not a wise thing to do in the present climate. I just hope that one day maybe next year, The electorate will see this man for what he is, He is a power crazed control freak, He has got everyone running scared, Even his own party talk about his policies behind his back, But, They are afraid to tell him to his face. Blunkett has done a lot of damage to this country. Also to the Labour Party. Our country is not as democratic and as free as people think, The criminals and do-gooders now rule. As they say " The lunatics have taken over the asylum".
So are you in favour of Blunkett’s draconian policies? I'm confused about your argument. On the one hand you talk about do-gooders ruining things, then you have a go at the strictest Home Secretary in years.

Which do you actually believe?

You are living in Sheffield, Where are the right wingers on this Council... You must be joking.. The Councillors in Sheffield have taken root. Bye the way.. The Council underspent by a massive amount last year, At the same time they closed Pensioners Homes, Cut back dramatically on the do-gooder budgets of the Social Services. Yet, They are praised for doing so. More cheap labour is being used by such concerns as Sheffield Re-Build. There is more waste. More luxurious working conditions in the Town Hall. The roads are in a mess. Street lighting is a gift to muggers. Massive sums of money are being wasted day in day out. Maybe we should have a few right wingers on the Council to stop this lunancy. Bearing in mind that several of our better councillors have been hounded off of the Council, Even to the extremes of using the law to do so. There have been many serious allegations that have been covered up. Have you ever been to a meeting in the Town Hall. They are a farce,

Originally posted by RODGERS
Bearing in mind that several of our better councillors have been hounded off of the Council, Even to the extremes of using the law to do so. There have been many serious allegations that have been covered up.

Couple of points I'd like clarification on there please. Who are these better councillors who have been hounded off and using which laws? What are these allegations that have been covered up?
If you feel you can't mention them on an open forum please pm me with details and I'll do some investigation to get to the bottom of these. Thanks.

Originally posted by RODGERS
You are living in Sheffield, Where are the right wingers on this Council... You must be joking.. The Councillors in Sheffield have taken root. Bye the way.. The Council underspent by a massive amount last year, At the same time they closed Pensioners Homes, Cut back dramatically on the do-gooder budgets of the Social Services. Yet, They are praised for doing so. More cheap labour is being used by such concerns as Sheffield Re-Build. There is more waste. More luxurious working conditions in the Town Hall. The roads are in a mess. Street lighting is a gift to muggers. Massive sums of money are being wasted day in day out. Maybe we should have a few right wingers on the Council to stop this lunancy. Bearing in mind that several of our better councillors have been hounded off of the Council, Even to the extremes of using the law to do so. There have been many serious allegations that have been covered up. Have you ever been to a meeting in the Town Hall. They are a farce,

Please can somebody else explain this simple issue? I am losing the will to live.

Originally posted by RODGERS
Have you ever been to a meeting in the Town Hall. They are a farce,
Many, and yes, they can be.

Dont know if it still happens, but when I converted a building a few years ago there was a place on the form where they needed to know your ethnicity? or the nearest that you thought that applied to you. When I asked why it was important if council where aiming for a multicultural society was just told that I needed to tick boxes or form wouldnt be valid.
I could only come to the conclusion at the time that certain 'ethnicities' would get pushed through no problem and looking at the leadership of the council planning I think now I know why.
On the occasion I built a property and ordered a wheelie bin, 2 weeks after the bin arrived I got a small drawing of where to leave the bin i.e side of road! To think there is some muppet in the council ordering these things when the city roads are falling apart makes me sick


Dragon

p.s. have all the above documentation to prove

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Dont know if it still happens, but when I converted a building a few years ago there was a place on the form where they needed to know your ethnicity? or the nearest that you thought that applied to you. When I asked why it was important if council where aiming for a multicultural society was just told that I needed to tick boxes or form wouldnt be valid.
I could only come to the conclusion at the time that certain 'ethnicities' would get pushed through no problem and looking at the leadership of the council planning I think now I know why.
On the occasion I built a property and ordered a wheelie bin, 2 weeks after the bin arrived I got a small drawing of where to leave the bin i.e side of road! To think there is some muppet in the council ordering these things when the city roads are falling apart makes me sick


Dragon

p.s. have all the above documentation to prove

Did you ever stop to think that the information might be being gleaned in order to disabuse people of the theory that certain ethnic groups get prioritised?

Why not write to your councillor and ask them to find out, it's a valid question which I'm sure they'll be just as interested in knowing the answer to.

I doubt if he can read ,judging by the conversations Ive had in the pub with him.

Dragon

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Dont know if it still happens, but when I converted a building a few years ago there was a place on the form where they needed to know your ethnicity? or the nearest that you thought that applied to you. When I asked why it was important if council where aiming for a multicultural society was just told that I needed to tick boxes or form wouldnt be valid.
I could only come to the conclusion at the time that certain 'ethnicities' would get pushed through no problem and looking at the leadership of the council planning I think now I know why.
On the occasion I built a property and ordered a wheelie bin, 2 weeks after the bin arrived I got a small drawing of where to leave the bin i.e side of road! To think there is some muppet in the council ordering these things when the city roads are falling apart makes me sick


Dragon

p.s. have all the above documentation to prove
The form you mention does indeed exist, and has done for MANY years. It is not a legal requirement for validity.

I can assure you that there is NO favouritism in the Planning Dpt when it comes to ethnicity. Your fears are unfounded.

But things like this small piece of stupid paperwork, which is completely useless really, are a great talking point amongst the ordinary plebs like us will actually create divisions between people of different races. Or are the beurocrats too thick to realise this (bit late anyway).
On the same note i.e. planning is there a mandate for councillors to get their own jobs pushed through/overlooked Tony?


edit :for overlooked meant skimmed over or fastracked

Not as far as I have seen, but I'm sure that councillors can and do make things 'important' to officers.

I agree about the needless and pointless paperwork. Planning is hardly 'stop and search'. It was introduced during Blunketts time.

Would it be o.k. then for a councillor with property interests to have a seat on the council planning dept.? Just out of interest you understand.

Dragon

Whatever is wrong with this lady's neighbours ??

Some years ago a neighbour of ours, an old man of eighty, was suffering similar harrassment. My granddaughter new a couple of the kids by name as they went to the same school. One evening I went out with a camera and took photographs of them banging on his windows and pushing rubbish through his letter box. I got my graddaughter to identify the boys she new on the pictures and sent copies with, a brief description of the trouble these kids were causing, to the headmistress of the school and Ecclefield police station. The trouble stopped immediately.

I'm sure the main reason this kind of thing goes on is that neighbours don't stand together to face it down.

Originally posted by Magneteer
Unfortunately, things have now gone too far down the line for any crackdowns, curfews, ASBO's etc to be of any real benefit. Fire must be fought with fire. These chavs, louts, duggies, herberts, yobs, call them what you will, are the people who have the upper hand in society today. They have no fear of authority ie police, teachers, council etc, and view prison as a mere ocupational hazard. IMOH, this cycle can only be broken using Draconian measures, preferably most of the ones mentioned in earlier posts, ie Boot Camps, National Service etc ( I would also add public birchings) are the only way out of the mess that society has allowed itself to get into.
I do apologise to any do-gooders out there but, there really is no other way.

I agree totally with this post and many others. As a secondary teacher of ten years i am continually dismayed at the scum that are filling our society. At over 6 foot tall and 17 stone you would not believe the crap that little chavs think they can come out with. I have told students on more than one occasion that if they threatened me or spoke to me in a public place like they sometimes do in the school i would chin them, they think they are invincible. Are we representative of society on this forum? There seems to be an absence of do gooders.

Herbert,

Do you mean do gooders as in those who will help people, or do gooders as in those who smoke roll ups and sit on their arse all day pretending to be socially aware (usually middle class but dumbing it down)
At school I would not have dared to swear at my teacher as he would have beat the f..... **** out of me as he did on occasion for other things, and this was a special school! All the kids from that school that I have bumped into are fine. People with families, good jobs and businesses they overcame some terrible social conditions and illnesses but never tried to blame anyone else for anything.
Good luck with your job but I dont know how you will turn it around, its one thing to have morons in the class if that is the case. But if the parents are also morons then we are all struggling.

Dragon

Dragonsoup

There are many do-gooders that deserve medals for they have to put up with, Then we have the do-gooder that as you say, Thinks they know best, interferes, makes matters worse. Think that naughty kids that are violent and screwed up need a family holiday, At our expence of course. Rats cannot live with chickens nor paupers with princes if you get my meaning. The anti social must be segregated from the decent people, They need to be re trained and made fit to live within society. No-ones wants to see brainwashing, But some youngsters ( encouraged by parents ) Think that it is fun to get doped up, Beat the crap out of some poor soul, Nick a car and joy ride and kill some-one, and more much more.. These are not fit to live alongside human beings, They need to be dealt with and not rewarded or bribed to behave. These scum know right from wrong, They know they are not going to be punished. So we as a society are just as guilty for encouraging this behaviour. But, Your so-called do gooder for the idiot, They seem to get a kick out of this misery. Many of these so called do-gooders create problems in order to justify thier existence just the same as unions do. Same as Blunkett did with the leaflets sent round telling us how to deal with an emergency. He is trying to justify the lack of security and the increase in crime etc. Yes. We could write a dozen books on the subject. But, Me I would write one passage. Punish the criminal severely, Make the punishment fit the crime, Bring back the death penalty for certain murders. We cannot bring the cane back to schools. Do-gooders run them now. My local school has a corner where the pupils can go to smoke dope instead of doing it in hiding. Well. I am glad that I am on my way out of this world, and, Not on my way into it.

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Would it be o.k. then for a councillor with property interests to have a seat on the council planning dept.? Just out of interest you understand.

Dragon

OK, you haven't answered my question but to answer yours - there is no such thing as a seat on the council planning dept. That is a department which employs officers. The councillors do sit on the planning boards and yes, they can still sit if they have an interest but they do have to declare it and cannot vote at meetings where their interest would be affected.

Back to my question. Have you written or spoken to a councillor about your concerns with the ethnicity question?

I live very close to this woman and its the first i have heard of this.
This area seems to go through patches of unsociable youths, its quiet for a couple of years then it flares up again with a new band of scum.
Only last week on Sunday during the day, thieves broke into my neighbours house while they went out for the day and took all the car keys about 4 in all and there house keys and drove off in one of there cars and leaving the gates wide open.
I now take my car keys to bed,, no chances taken now.

David Blunkett reckons crime is coming down. Ha! is he blind?

parents whos children are suffering from the so called ADHD. syndrome.

maybe you should think before you ramble out rubbish you obviously dont have a clue about,just because someone may have a children with adhd doesnt incline that they are letting them out to cause a nuisance to themselves,your comment may have hurt alot of people who have a child with adhd as you are making out that they arent keeping there child under control and letting them run riot when with alot of parents this isnt the case.

when i was a kid i remember going into shops and having security guards following me around the reason for this is people like you who put tags on people,ive never commited a crime in my life but because i was a teenager had to put up with crap like this so maybe you should stop labeling people on there ages or what they suffer from and realise that there are young people out there who are decent members of our society

NXS.

During my 58, Years of life, I have never labeled anyone. Everyone to their own I say. But, When other people affect our lives then it must be dealt with. Society has changed now, Some for the better, But, Much for the worse. Without these computers life would be difficult, Because like many things we begin to rely upon them, But the good also has a bad affect also. We find this with the number of per...ts that attach themselves to computers and Even to mobile phones, CB Radios etc. All these things people have come to depend upon. We allow our kids to walk around with a mobile phone stuck to thier ears, Then we protest about mobile phone masts. Many other examples. But I cannot condone giving cash benefits to those that have children that mis-behave. Maybe there is a problem, But, Cash will not cure this, Special schools, Pscychiatric help for both child and parent. Even good parents sometimes get it wrong, there is no shame in that. But help and education are needed not cash handouts for every single problem that people have. Did you know that druggies get invalidity benefits. Where does this large sum of money go to. Society has gone crazy, People on benefits that get more thanpeople that work. We cannot allow our kids to live like this. What a sad example of life.

It's about time some of you lot learned to differentiate between the "do-gooders" who deal in platitudes and political correctness
rather than actually changing things!) and other lefties, civil rights people you are whinging about. Most of the lefties referred to in so many threads are no such thing and as for civil rights? What's wrong with opposing the police fitting up any passing Irishman up for mass murder or some poor sod with a low IQ for a horrible child-sex murder, or for locking people up without trial (or evidence) We have had enough of this over the past 30 years.
Let's blame the Right for this. Their Friedmanite economics leading to long term mass employment, the destruction of communities, the cuts in all sorts of social provisons which has seen us lose libraries, shopping centres, run down parks.
"Let's leave it to the Market." "The Market knows best"
The Market doesn't give a toss about areas of 25-30% unemployment, the fact that drugs have become endemic, the fact that gangs of lawless scum make life intolerable in these areas for so many people.
These areas and the people in them (scum and victims alike) are a drain on resources, on taxpayers money. The Market has no interest in these people so they have been left to fend for themselves. The Market sees no benefit to intervention in these areas, "let them eat cake" in effect.
Of couse things are so bad now that the publicty is likely to start interferring with voting patterns, this neglect has promoted the BNP, as large numbers of people cotton onto the fact that all other politicians have abandoned them to their fates. The scum won't stay in their own areas, they are in the city centre, they are driving around all areas of the city in stolen cars, they are stealing nice cars from nice people etc
Suddenly and 20 years too late, action is being taken. Don't expect too much because it's not in the Market's interest to do so.
Better, gated communities with razor wire and CCTV on one hand and third world ghettoes controlled by criminal elements on the other is the most cost effective and profitable response.
I blame Thatcher her accolyte Blair, Milton Friedman, Reagan etc etc and a lot of you out their whinging on about "lefties" and "so called socialists" The scum we are talking about are anti SOCIAL but the Market isn't interested in anything Social unless it can turn a few Million quick bucks out of it.
ie a new PFI hospital with good shops and running sewage in the operating theatres and wall to wall MRSA for good measure.
We should build a better Society for all and deal appropriately with all antisocial elements be they tormentors of OAPs, or multinational company bosses. The touble is ,"there is no such thing as Society" Thatchers famous quote reflecting the views of the Market has been accepted by too many people in power for too long.
The low life in this particular case should be dealt with by members of the local community if the police wont act.

Hey ! Ned ludd

Slow down my friend. I am fully in agrrement with you. We are heading in the same direction but, On different roads. I would love to turn the clock back twenty years. I would love to see a near perfect situation. But, As you say. We are dominated by market forces. If we had the chance to turn back the clock, There would be many people out of work, We would need less prison officers. People would be afraid of committing crime so much as now. We would have better schools, Students were encouraged to learn not bribed, We were encouraged to use our heads not technology. We would have less social workers because they would be redundant, Or would have to take care of the elderly, and those that are genuinely disadvantaged. Remember the times when a school bobby knocked on the door and dragged you off to school, The clips round the lugg hole that is now classed as abuse. The times when those on Community Service were made to work within the community, very hard too. Now we also have too much red tape. Too many forms to fill in. Too much discrimination of all kinds. We have started to accept standards that would not have been accepted years ago. We reward bad behaviour, We give the druggies what they want, Free needles, free methodone, Sky High benefits. Flats to wreck. Most criminals languish in cushy prisons whilst outside cleaners are contracted to clean up after them. Yes Ned. Where do we go from here. We have a Government that will not listen, They are all the same. We have an Home Secretary that ought to be spending time behind bars himself. A Police Force with tied hands, No longer effective. Children being used to commit horrific crimes because they know that the law cannot deal with them. Ned. This country has gone loopy, The inmates have taken over the asylum. Maybe those of us on this forum would be better running the country, At least we converse, We debate. We see each others points of view. If you disagree with people like Blunkett, Wow, Better beware.......................

Wow!! I didn't expect my first topic to kick start a massive political debate!!!

What the hell is that Ledd Nun? Does google do a translation to English from social workers claptrap.

Dragon

Originally posted by max
OK, you haven't answered my question but to answer yours - there is no such thing as a seat on the council planning dept. That is a department which employs officers. The councillors do sit on the planning boards and yes, they can still sit if they have an interest but they do have to declare it and cannot vote at meetings where their interest would be affected.

Back to my question. Have you written or spoken to a councillor about your concerns with the ethnicity question?

Max sorry if Im wrong but are you a teacher? Phrases like 'you havent answered my question' and 'back to my question' make you sound like a particularly nasty maths teacher who would like to drag me around the class by the earlobe.
Im aware that you are a MOD but that doesnt mean we all .... bricks because youre around you know.

Dragon

Originally posted by Virus
Wow!! I didn't expect my first topic to kick start a massive political debate!!!

Issues like this always end up as political discussion because many people on this forum have strong views about it. I just feel that sometimes people go far too deep and lose sight of the real issue. When it gets to this stage in the discussion I generally unsubscribe from the topic and let them bumble along to each other while getting nowhere and solving nothing.

It becomes like a committee and I imagine is very similar to the way our government runs itself. If so this explains why precious little is ever done to make the good people feel that life can be fair for once. :mad:

Max.

I was wandering if you was refering to my message re the Council. If so. I tried to send a compilation of allegations etc....Failed too long. I will try and sort this out later as I have been ill. But. I would invite you to have a look at a site called justresponse.net. Maybe we can restart a new debate about this. I find that chats get boring when it repeats upon itself and questions need to be verified etc. No offence, But, There are those of us that have suffered as a result of Council mis-management and failure of the council to protect those of us that seek out corruption etc. I will leave this for now and hope that through my profile you may e-mail me. with respects.........

Anthony

Originally posted by dragonsoup
Max sorry if Im wrong but are you a teacher? Phrases like 'you havent answered my question' and 'back to my question' make you sound like a particularly nasty maths teacher who would like to drag me around the class by the earlobe.
Im aware that you are a MOD but that doesnt mean we all .... bricks because youre around you know.

Dragon

I'm sorry if you **** bricks when I'm around but I assure you that is no fault of mine.

I just thought that as we were having a debate then you might like to add something to it rather than these constant personal jibes.

Back to the issues though, did my answer regarding seats on council planning departments answer your question?

Originally posted by miniminch
David Blunkett reckons crime is coming down. Ha! is he blind?

I don't know about that, but he never seems to do any work. Every time I see him, he's out walking his dog!






I'll get me coat

Originally posted by dragonsoup
What the hell is that Ledd Nun? Does google do a translation to English from social workers claptrap.
Dragon
Thereby proving my point about certain people who whinge on about do-gooders, social workers , lefties etc. Displays a rather simplistic tabloidesque view of the world, unable to differentiate between PC b******s and reasoned analysis.