I was buying my lunch in Boots today and noticed at the counter a testing set for the presence of date rape drugs. Are they really so prevelant that its reasonable to carry a testing kit or is someone just cashing in on paranioa here? I suspect the latter but having never used or been a victim of such a drug perhaps I'm just out of touch?

"Police posing as glass collectors in an Essex club found eight out of 200 drinks had been spiked.

And Cumbria Police said it received up to seven reports a month from people who believe their drinks may have been spiked."

Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3315637.stm in an article in the run up to last Xmas.

Nomme

Yes I have heard about the Kit, but the government health body has said be careful as they are not a perfect solution to the matter.Keep your drink close by you & get your own drink.

Has there been any study done on what percentage of drinks spiked belong to men / women ?

I suspect in the vast majority of cases it is men spiking womens drinks.

Another danger to do with the date rape drug - YOUR drink may not have been spiked, but the person who used the glass before you may have had THEIR drink spiked. The glass washes are so notoriously bad in pubs and clubs, that residue of the date rape drugs remain on the glass after washing, and can affect anyone else who happens to use the same glass later on in the evening. (Anyone ever got a new drink from the bar and the glass had lipstick on it?) So even if you get your own drink, you might not be completely safe from it.

My advice - only buy bottled drinks. (A good way to ensure you're getting what you pay for anyway, as spirits etc are quite often watered down - I've seen it done!)

Originally posted by nomme
"Police posing as glass collectors in an Essex club found eight out of 200 drinks had been spiked.



Eight? Who would have thought so many, what with how easy Essex scrubbers are!

Well it's happened to me personally, and my wife! Thankfully we were fine, but it seems to be far more common than you would think.

Yeah, I also saw the kit as well. I had to look twice as I thought I was seeing things. Although, a good piece of kit to have on sale I guess!!

They are trying to develop a tester cheap enough to produce as a "swizzel stick" that bar staff put in every drink at the bar for free, so you can test for the drug.

Originally posted by LittleWitch
They are trying to develop a tester cheap enough to produce as a "swizzel stick" that bar staff put in every drink at the bar for free, so you can test for the drug.

Now that sounds like an excellent idea.

It's no cause for amusement.

This is what happens...

You go out, have a few drinks, everything is fine.
THEN.. in the space of a minute or two, everything changes - as though you have been on a 2 day bender.

With the wife, we were in a certain Ecclesall Road wine bar, in the afternoon, in fact we both had our cars, so we were hardly caning it back. She goes to the toilet, and 15 minutes later manages to telephone me on the mobile... but there's silence. She can't stand without help, can't talk, can't walk without help.

The scotsman who we had been talking to at the bar had disappeared by the time I got her out, luckily for him. I would seriously have broken his face at that point before introducing him to a friendly policeman I know who would have helped him get his face mended after 'falling down the step'.

Can you imagine what might have happened if I hadn't been there?

It's not nice, and it's certainly NO laughing matter.

yep its definately no laughing matter. .I have been spiked 3 times and i assure you its not a drunken feeling. Just to add, in the past month my sister AND my best mate have been spiked at [removed], im just warning you, as its happening so often in there, they let anybody in without turning a blind eye, and never ever check people or even ID-i know, ive been going for a long time and frequently. it happens everywhere though. I was spiked in [removed] nightclub, london and Ireland. never let anyone buy you a drink, i know people being spiked by bar staff so you really have to watch it when being served AND to be honest, i just wouldnt bother drinking when i go out, just bu7y a bottle of water, atleast it has a screw top so you know that noone can touch it. Also advice is buy shots and just drink em at the bar, then theres no0 risk of people slipping it in when you leave the bar.

anyone know, apart from rohypnol, which drugs are involved?


did anyone who had been spiked go to hospital, toxicologist? That would be my first reaction I think, get in touch with the poisons unit.

A manufacturer once developed a beer mat tester, but it was shown to be colossally unreliable, including false negatives on common alkaloids.

It's very hard to develop a dry test for a broad spectrum of drugs - especially when no-one knows what drugs are being used. I would be extremely skeptical about the efficacy of any single test for multiple drugs.

Many rely on observed colour change to indicate drugs, - which is dodgy enough under 9600K daylight - but in a club or bar at night - no chance.


why are we using the term 'date rape' drugs here? when what we seem to be talking about is having drinks spiked in clubs etc.

Rohypnol is the only one I know of though I'm assuming most other benzodiazapenes would have much the same effect. (On a side note alcohol and benzodiazapene in combination are a VERY bad idea).

The reason I used the term date rape drugs is that is how the kit is being marketed as a 'date rape tester'. Basically its a strip of paper and a little pippette so you dot a bit of your drink onto the paper and look for a colour change. In all honesty though if your that unsure of the drink, and given the problems with drug testing, you should probably bin it and get another one...

And GHB which does not mix well with alcohol.

another date rape drug is the animal tranquilizer Ketamine :

http://www.mckinley.uiuc.edu/health-info/sexual/daterape/drape.html

This page

http://www.coolnurse.com/date_rape.htm

has some good advice and news of the blue Rohypnol...

In the last month I have seen more of my m8s than i would like to have after they have been spiked in a certain club.

one leading to resusitation outside, another according to his doctor very lucky to survive only because he threw up (2 lsd + date rape drug), and one of the lasses ending up in hospital.

i was spiked there also a few weeks ago, although compared to others was relatively ok, only had a few sips of the only drink i had all night and was in a pretty bad way.

i think that testing shpul be available without a doubt.

why have the names of clubs been removed from mimicrazes posts?

It's not liable if that's what got someone worried as she is just relating personal experience.

satan in heels, oh my god. are we talkinga bout the same club??? the one i saw you in a while back with stu....(cant name it). please let me know, this is very serious.

I never realised this was so widespread and I never realised that blokes were getting this stuff in their drinks to, I just thought it was the unfortunate few girls!

sataninheels, ive pmd you :thumbsup:

hey mimi....its joseph. cant bliev this, we so gota get the place shut down. cant let them get away with it...

Mod: Rather than posting the name of the club here, perhaps you could pool your experiences and speak to the Police at West Bar Police Station. I'm sure they will be interested. :thumbsup:

no thanks tony. got better ideas, wasnt going to post the name of the club here, dont worry!!! if anyone has been spiked at a club in sheffield , please pm me. cheers :)

hey mimi....its joseph. cant bliev this, we so gota get the place shut down. cant let them get away with it...

sorry about that, my sister posted it-i was signed on auto at my mums and she posted. hope noones confused! sorry!

I don't understand why you choose to keep the name of the venue secret.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I don't understand why you choose to keep the name of the venue secret.

MOD:This a free site owned and run by Geoff and we don't want any legal problems.

Originally posted by mimicraze
if anyone has been spiked at a club in sheffield , please pm me. cheers :)
I don't think there's a need to name clubs where drinks have been spiked. What are they supposed to do to prevent it? Drink spikers could operate anywhere - quality/ reputation of a club won't make a real difference.

No need to be alarmed - just be aware. Never let a drink out of your sight, from the moment it's poured till the last drop is drank. Also, if you're drinking from a bottle then putting your thumb over the top will keep you safe. I acquired that habit in Nottm, where the I gather the problem's a lot worse...

so if I name and shame a street where the streetlamps are not working will you censor that in case the council sue?
Or if I say that a particular restaurant has given me bad service?

Or how about that i've been assualted at the bus station.

As long as someone only states what happened to them and doesn't go off into wild speculation or unsubstantiated accusations then no-one is committing liable.

And of course as a carrier of information, not a publisher it would be the person who wrote the liabolous material that was in danger if that were to happen. The only requirement on the forum would be to remove liabolous material if it were brought to their attention.

You guys are idiots no offence but if you can't look after you're drink then you have no place in a pub.

Originally posted by Deadstar
You guys are idiots no offence but if you can't look after you're drink then you have no place in a pub.

And what of these 'idiots' who simply get a glass that was spiked previously and the glass wasn't washed properly? besides, if this had happened to you, I expect you would be far more understanding of how easily it can happen.

It isn't just a case of not letting people buy you drinks, it is about perhaps turning your head away from your drink for one second to look at the person who just walked into the back of you, brushed up against your arm as they passed, shouted your name across a bar etc

Being vigilant helps but it is far from perfect, just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it is because you are prepared, probably more luck.

But as psychology has proven, when something happens to a person and we can't understand it, we try and attribute some of the blame to the victim. Perhaps this is one fo the reasons why so many date-rape victims do not come forward, because people like yourself think that 'they were asking for it'

Rant over

Wilf

No look man thatw as a good rant but pointless. I have been going out for the past 4 years of my life and I have never been spiked because I know the rules.

When in clubs if you don't want to get spiked buy bottles and mate if your going to places where they don't wash the pint pots then you should be going to the kebab shop that sell's oysters.

It's just like getting pick pocketed, if it happens to you then it's your fault no one eleses.

Originally posted by Deadstar
No look man that as a good rant but pointless. I have been going out for the past 4 years of my life and I have never been spiked because I know the rules.

When in clubs if you don't want to get spiked buy bottles and mate if your going to places where they don't wash the pint pots then you should be going to the kebab shop that sells oysters.

It's just like getting pick pocketed, if it happens to you then it's your fault no one else's.

While some of this may be true (drinking only from bottles for sure), just a few points to clarify-

1) I've been going out about the same amount of time as you so don't try and pull the 'i am more experienced' card

2) You'd be surprised how determined to stick to the inside of a glass many date-rape drugs are, and many dishwashers don't clean glasses properly anyway so it isn't just a matter of hygiene but behind bar procedure, especially if a pub/bar/club is busy (which I'm sure you will agree lots of good places are on fri/sat night)

3) you cannot liken the incidence of getting your drug spiked to pick pocketing, (although it still has similar rules that it can happen to anyone as if a skilled pickpocket wants to do it, they have the means to do so) mainly because as i have said, if you are staring at your drink intently all night then you are unlikely to be having a good time, and although bottles are safer, just because it comes in one doesn't mean you can't spike them.

4) What the hell are you talking about with it being no-one else's fault? what about the person who spiked it? The place they bought the drugs, the bouncers and bar staff for not spotting someone leaving in a very bad state or checking bags for these chemicals. For this to happen to someone is horrific enough, let alone for someone to come along afterwards and say "it's all your fault"

Common sense and vigilance can only go so far, and when alcohol is involved (with its effects of impairing your judgment) there is only a reasonable amount of precautions a person can take and still have a 'night out'.

Some of my friends have had this happen to them and they are probably far more cautious than myself.

I just think you cannot expect people to stand there with their thumb over their drink, be too scared to talk to someone unless they distract you from your drink.

Not only that, but I've seen some clubs refuse people bringing in bottled water so if you want a glass of water you have to get one from them, and it doesn't come in a bottle.

I've not seen that in a while so perhaps the point isn't as valid as it used to be a year ago but plenty of people have been spiked when they have a glass of water to cool down or whatever.

To say it is only the victims fault is ridiculous, there are a myriad of factors that allow this to happen, a lot of them not under the direct influence the victim

Wilf

Well said BrainThrust!

Originally posted by Deadstar
No look man thatw as a good rant but pointless. I have been going out for the past 4 years of my life and I have never been spiked because I know the rules.

When in clubs if you don't want to get spiked buy bottles and mate if your going to places where they don't wash the pint pots then you should be going to the kebab shop that sell's oysters.

It's just like getting pick pocketed, if it happens to you then it's your fault no one eleses.

Well, when you've been 'going out' for 20 years instead of 4 (hehe, you think you've seen it all eh?) you might be able to claim some sort of superiority. However, as you're obviously still a 'kid' you might learn something as you get older and get a bit of experience under your belt.

Rule no 1... Criminals (that's what they are) don't follow 'the rules'.

Well all I say is if you get drugged you're an idiot and it's your fault and sorry boys that thread was 2 long try to shorten it next time.

I've seen a bit to know that I keep hold of my pint and my bottle and if i do get drugged I blame myself.

you're an idiot then, but don't expect any sympathy if it ever happens to you.

I'm not convinced about the "non-clean" glass havnig an effect though.
Unless a partially disolved tablet were still stuck in there the trace amounts left wouldn't be enough to have an effect, otherwise the full thing would be a dosage big enough to kill you.

Originally posted by Deadstar
No look man thatw as a good rant but pointless. I have been going out for the past 4 years of my life and I have never been spiked because I know the rules.

Of course there could be another reason - tell me do mirrors ever crack when you look at them :gag:

deadstar, i feel sorry for you i really do, your so clueless.

No look man thatw as a good rant but pointless. I have been going out for the past 4 years of my life and I have never been spiked because I know the rules.

right.....well what if the BAR STAFF WERE SPIKING THE DRINKS???? then how is it the persons fault? imagine that! happens a lot . i wouldnt even wish it on a moron like you to get spiked. some people have almost died from this and it had nothing to do with them. you should be ashamed of yourself.

Originally posted by Deadstar
sorry boys that thread was 2 long try to shorten it next time.


I'm sorry, did the long words and coherent nature of it's easily readable format confuse you? perhaps i should draw a picture next time.

Mimi also raises a very valuable point about the barstaff spiking drinks. How the hell are you supposed to prevent that? Not go out ever?

Wilf

Originally posted by Deadstar
Well all I say is if you get drugged you're an idiot and it's your fault and sorry boys that thread was 2 long try to shorten it next time.

I've seen a bit to know that I keep hold of my pint and my bottle and if i do get drugged I blame myself.

deadstar, you are talking utter tripe, here, IMO

you do not have to be an idiot to get spiked!

My husband was spiked, at a pub, not long ago.

Because we are both disabled, and have mobility problems, Mr PT considers his driving license is far too precious to us for him to risk losing it through anything that could come near to being called Drink-driving.

Consequently, he very sensibly sticks to orange, or cola, or other similar soft drinks. He has maybe one shot of a short, once a year, say at christmas. Other than that, he's teetotal.

This particular night, someone we trusted, ( A relative, for goodness sake!) bought drinks for him, and, unbeknownst to us, the B**** had spiked the orange-drinks with vodkas (which, as it is pretty much tasteless, can be virtually undetectable if mixed in a pint glass of Cola or orange)

Mr PT suddenly realised that there had to have been something untoward with his drinks, as he had started to feel woozy and drunk...

This relative, thought was clever and amusing to do something so INCREDIBLY STUPID as to spike someone,

I'll repeat that..
Spiking someone is not big and Clever, It is

INCREDIBLY,

INCREDIBLY,

DAMNABLY

S T U P I D

They could have caused absolute ****ing carnage;

Had Mr PT not realised how the drinks were affecting him. He could have got behind the wheel of a car, and had a crash, and killed Himself, me, our lad or our grandchildren, (who happen to be the most precious thing in the world to us, incidentally.)l - let alone some poor beggar in another car or just standing on the pavement.

Look at what that (alleged?) drink driving cretin, Hughes,did, when his car, driven by him when intoxicated, ploughed into a stationary car. people died. helaso got a 6 yr prison sentence and has lost his livelihood (rightly so..)

at the very least, had he attempted to drive whilst in that condition, Mr PT could have lost his license. The more serious consequences do not bear thinking about.

It is not funny, it's not big, and it's not clever.

and that relative also got short shrift for his stupidity.

PT

What? Bar staff spiking drinks? Disabled people complaining about losing driving license?

You know you people have some wild imaginations.

Mimi are you one of these people who thinks everyone is out to get you? The bar staff are not spiking drinks but they are watering them down.

Mrs PT disabled people should'nt drive because they can cause accident's and for insurance purposes but thats a different story.

I'm a realist and I know if I want to do things then I have to take risks. I know if I want to walk through pittsmore at 12 o'clock at night then I'm going to expect trouble and I know if I go out there is a chance I will get spiked but then it will be my fault and no others so what do I do never go out again?

No I keep goingh out with the firm believe if I stay in control and watch myself then I am sound.

there are people that buy pints then leave them to go wherever then come back and drink them. And thats you. It's a horrible world but I know there are people out there and there always will be that do these things but we can't change it.

C'mon, Deadstar, you're doing this as a wind up, right?

Get the good burghers of the Sheffield Forum frothing at the mouth for your entertainment?

If you're not then you are going to get a shock sometime soon in your life. Bad **** happens to people who are careful and claim to know the rules. Get used to it. Pulling the experience lever, I've had 20 years bar crawling experience in everywhere from miner's dives in Alaska through to jazz dives in Soho, and have so far, touch wood, managed to avoid the depredations of the bad guys.

However, it happens and not necessarily to 'idiots'. Your argument is similar to that of that addled judge who years ago said that certain women were 'asking to be raped' because of the way they dressed and behaved.

If someone wishes to assault you with a potentially deadly weapon, which is what spiking is, then yes you can try and protect yourself but the bottom line is that the person doing the spiking is the reponsible, guilty party - no one else. People like you who start to treat spiking as one of the 'problems of a night out' - like not getting a taxi home - are part of the problem because it helps the bars and clubs deny there is a problem.

Joe

Originally posted by JoeP
I've had 20 years bar crawling experience in everywhere from miner's dives in Alaska through to jazz dives in Soho, and have so far, touch wood, managed to avoid the depredations of the bad guys.
Joe

Off topic, I know, but well done Joe for being the first person to use the word word "depredations' on the forum - ever :)

To save you all looking it up, it means negative effects or, in effect, bad things:)

Originally posted by Deadstar
What? Bar staff spiking drinks? Disabled people complaining about losing driving license?

You know you people have some wild imaginations.

Mimi are you one of these people who thinks everyone is out to get you? The bar staff are not spiking drinks but they are watering them down.

Mrs PT disabled people should'nt drive because they can cause accident's and for insurance purposes but thats a different story.

I'm a realist and I know if I want to do things then I have to take risks. I know if I want to walk through pittsmore at 12 o'clock at night then I'm going to expect trouble and I know if I go out there is a chance I will get spiked but then it will be my fault and no others so what do I do never go out again?

No I keep goingh out with the firm believe if I stay in control and watch myself then I am sound.

there are people that buy pints then leave them to go wherever then come back and drink them. And thats you. It's a horrible world but I know there are people out there and there always will be that do these things but we can't change it.

Deadstar, I really think that you would need to get an upgrade, to halfwit 3.1. It is my opinion that you are trying to give us proof that brain transplant donors can survive....

I do not see the 17-25 (ish) yr old cretins in their souped up cars, pulling donuts in the supermarket car-park being told that they should not have permission to drive. (complete with their windows wound right down, and music so loud that only someone living in Kitibati is unable to "enjoy" it. which makes my next point:- how the heck can these cretins possibly hear if an emergency services vehicle is approaching, with 15,000 decibels of sound coming in from a yard away?)

Persons with disabilities (PWD) rely on their cars, as not all of us can access buses, or bus routes/ tram routes that are mobility friendly. taxies etc are prohibitively expensive, and, again, not every cab /private hire car is accessible to a PWD.

I am aghast that you could be so crass as to suggest that Mr PT is an unsafe driver just by virtue of the fact that he has a disability. When he broke his back, he did not suddenly become mentally impaired, too, like a lot of Numpties assume is the case. (this would also be classified as a discriminatory attitude, incidentally)

Mr PT is an incredibly safe driver, after over thirty years of driving, both commercially (he used to drive delivery trucks, for a living), and for family and leisure. (he also tookhis advanced driving test in the late 1980's) I would like you to explain precisely how, and why a PWD is any more unsafe than the cretin I tell about, in the incident i mention below, please.

There are drivers with whom I will not travel, as I do not feel safe, but after twenty-some years of being a passenger with Mr PT, I am confident that he has the skills and knowledge in handling a vehicle both to drive safely, and to take evasive action if some numpty is driving like a prat around us.

An example of this - we were driving back from Brighton, October 2002 after going to an away match with The Blades.

As we were driving up the motorway through the South-Downs, some (female) cretin passed us, they were doing over 100mph. (In rainy conditions, BTW) We could see that she barely had control of the vehicle. We were in the middle lane, she was in the "fast" lane.

Mr PT took evasive action, (his spidey senses were alerted, after all his driving experience) we watched in horror as this cretin's car-back-end started to slew wildly, and she lost what little control that she had.

She went right across all three lanes of the motorway, plus the hard shoulder, and crashed into the embankment.

Her car span back out from the collision with the embankment, and then hit the central reservation barrier, and finally came to rest facing the wrong way along the carriageway. Other cars were screeching to a halt, around us. The smell of burning rubber was horrible.

Surely, this is a case of someone who shold be barred from ever even handling a car key again, considering that it was a case of
a) dangerous driving and,
b ) failure to be in control of the vehicle (driving without due care and attention?/ endangering the lives of others)

It's cretins like her who should be barred, not people like My other half, who have driven safely, and sensibly, over his thirty years of motoring, and who just happens to have acquired a disability.

And I also disagree with your assertion above that Mimi is paranoid about "Spiking". If she has had this experience in club X, and other people have related that they have also experienced it/ were attending club X, with someone who was spiked, then I do not think paranoia comes into it:- the risk is very real, and very great. Also, I would assert that, IMO, if a customer is alert enough to keep their drink safely, and not let anyone have access to it to spike it, yet finds some "spiker" in it, then isn't it a possibility, (remote as it may be..) that the drink *could* have been spiked before it was passed over the bar?

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that something as awful as this could happen to you, and maybe you might realise that it does happen to folk, through no fault of their own.

PT

I've not been involved with anything like this in Sheffield, what pubs and clubs have been known to harbour these creatures?

deadstar, i pity you i really do!! Mimi are you one of these people who thinks everyone is out to get you? The bar staff are not spiking drinks but they are watering them down.

haha no im not one of these people, also it was proved that a certain clubs (not sure if im allowed to name it) bar staff were spiking bottles and capping them. and when 15 people i know have been spiked at a certain club in 2 months then something fishy is going on isnt it?

atleast most people on here have half a brain and know what im talking about.

Originally posted by mimicraze
deadstar, i pity you i really do!!

haha no im not one of these people, also it was proved that a certain clubs (not sure if im allowed to name it) bar staff were spiking bottles and capping them. and when 15 people i know have been spiked at a certain club in 2 months then something fishy is going on isnt it?

atleast most people on here have half a brain and know what im talking about.

I have to ask, why did you keep going back there?

one reason to keep going back to a club like that might be if it were the only club in town to play that sort of music. Although stopping drinking their might have been a sensible response.

no sorry, you've misunderstood, I went there and my best friend got spiked, then my sister went there afterwards. the other 13 people were friends but not imediately close friends so I have only njust found out about them. Not been since the first time my best mate got spiked.

I find this thread quite disturbing, if all these people are having their drinks spiked then why arent they going to the police?
Surely it is a criminal offence to deliberately poison someone whether they become ill from it or not? I dont go out to clubs, in fact I havent been in one for years, is it really this bad? If I knew for certain that bar staff at a certain place were involved in these acts then i wouldnt go there again, even if i did like the music they played!

i havent been going there have i!! since the first time i knew of someone getting spiked there. and who says i havent taken it to the police? i am trying to get everybody to call Crimestoppers so we can have an investigation take place on the club, only problem is people arent doing it. i dont understand, i want to sort this problem out. but not many people are helping me and its serious.

Originally posted by Nooka
is it really this bad?
In my experience, no it isn't.

Mimi you don't know what your talking about your making things up as you go along to support your story but what I would like to know is what possible reason would bar staff that earn perfectic money ( i used to be one) spend what ever on drugs then waste them on giving them to people what so they can go back to the bar and give the bar staff a tip.

Mrs PT I don't care if you class your self or you hubby as a safe driver in my opion there are many classes of people that should'nt be allowed on the road one being the elderly, sales men and disabled people. just to know I feel safer nowing that when we are on the road togeather and for some reason you get a back spasm or fall a sleep at the wheel then you are not at the wheel.

As for JoeP you just can't stand it that some people have different views and they may not be nice pleasent ones like help the homeless but the cut right down the line. I don't care about you experiances you should be talking to alcoholics annomous ( i prob spelt that wrong but it's 2.30am).

The fact is you will never stop this behavior it's been happening for god knows how long and the only way to prevent it is to keep your drink with you all the time if not then your asking for trouble and when it happens to you well fool comes to mind.

Originally posted by Deadstar
Let the chips fall way they may Tyler Durden

You know what the best thing is about Deadstar's posts? Not the homespun fascism, not the semi-literate ramblings, not the off-kilter logic. Those things are entertaining, true. But the absolute best thing is his misquoted signature (above).

I mean, if you're going to the trouble of searching out a profound, philosophical bon mote to impress everyone, you'd make damn sure it was correct, wouldn't you?

very worried about this.
if people are not allowed to give venue details then why not state the road name to give us all a clue.(as tony did)

This is just drivel.
I don't think Mimi did say that it was the barstaff, she just said that it had happened a lot at this popular rock club.
I'm not sure what perfectic is, some variation on perfect? Do you even understand what drugs we are talking about, and if you do then what's tipping got to do with it?
People can be classed as disabled for many reasons, some can't drive, others can, each case should be assessed on it's own merits.
Old drivers should probably have compulsory retests at certain ages, but most are perfectly safe.
Salesmen have as much right to drive as you do. Maybe people who make up words shouldn't be allowed to drive either.
I don't think JoeP minds you having a different view. He's just trying to shine a small bit of light into your rather dim understanding of the world.

Victims are not to blame for crimes committed against them. If you get hit by a car, was it your fault for crossing the road, if you get mugged, was it your fault for being their.
Only an idiot would think so, and the same applies to drinks.

Taking reasonable precautions is sensible, you don't want to set yourself up as a victim, but living in constant paranoia is not a pleasant way to live.
No one claimed that the behaviour could be stamped out entirely, but that's not an argument to not try. The police should investigate and if someone can be caught they should serve time.

Originally posted by Deadstar
Mimi you don't know what your talking about your making things up as you go along to support your story but what I would like to know is what possible reason would bar staff that earn perfectic money ( i used to be one) spend what ever on drugs then waste them on giving them to people what so they can go back to the bar and give the bar staff a tip.

Mrs PT I don't care if you class your self or you hubby as a safe driver in my opion there are many classes of people that should'nt be allowed on the road one being the elderly, sales men and disabled people. just to know I feel safer nowing that when we are on the road togeather and for some reason you get a back spasm or fall a sleep at the wheel then you are not at the wheel.

As for JoeP you just can't stand it that some people have different views and they may not be nice pleasent ones like help the homeless but the cut right down the line. I don't care about you experiances you should be talking to alcoholics annomous ( i prob spelt that wrong but it's 2.30am).

The fact is you will never stop this behavior it's been happening for god knows how long and the only way to prevent it is to keep your drink with you all the time if not then your asking for trouble and when it happens to you well fool comes to mind.

Originally posted by Cyclone
I'm not sure what perfectic is, some variation on perfect?

I'm guessing he means pathetic :)

Deadstar,

I cannot believe that you are spouting such cretinous drivel.

Aah, that brash confidence, born of youth and inexperience....!

Mr PT is more than a little riled, and has asked me to quote him to you. he says:-

"I have had to have a medical to confirm my fit-ness to drive after I had my heart-attack, which I passed, with flying colours.

Isn't it a shame that you did not have to undergo a similar test of intelligence in order to be in charge of a keyboard. I have been driving since long before you were even a twinkle in your daddy's eye.

We have a child, older than you, and a granddaughter one-fifth of your age, yet with more sense in her little finger than you have in the whole of your body! "

Mr PT agrees that older drivers, particularly, should undergo regular checks and re-tests in order to ensure that they are still safe drivers, and fit to be on the road.

He says that he, himself would be more than willing to sit a retest every two or three years, when he reaches, say, sixty years of age. (both to protect himself, and his family, and other road users)

He also says that the driving laws here should be like in the United States, when it comes to eye-checks. My sister-in-law, who lives in California, has a Californian driving licence. On her licence it states that she needs "corrective lenses", and that, if she is "caught" driving without her lenses (specs or contacts) she can be charged with a"Moving Violation (IIRC).

If this were the case over here, and the mandatory checks and eye- tests were introduced, there would be less people driving around with uncorrected vision.

My own best mate's father has given up driving, because he is developing cataracts. He himself knows, after all his years, of driving trains, he is no longer going to be the safe driver that he was. We applaud him making that difficult decision.

With all his years of driving experience, (he drove for a living) Mr PT is a very capable and safe driver. As I have said beefore, there are people on the road, currently, with whom I'd never travel again. I have travelled many miles, with Mr PT as driver; the length and breadth of the country,and I feel perfectly safe with him.

Anyway; back on the topic of the date rape drugs...

being "Mickey-Finned", or "spiked" can happen to anyone, regardless of sex, age or whichever pub or club they are in.
This is proven by the anecdotal evidence given above.

PT

Deadstar I have a hypothetical question for you. If you were distracted in a club and someone spiked your drink and raped you, would you report it to the police and feel wronged or would you be saying I'm an idiot for being distracted and think it your own fault?

It would'nt happen to me because I'm smart nuff said.

Sorry about my spelling and grammer but I was tired.

Mrs PT you can use your clever words all you want but I don't care probably cause I can't understand them but thats another story. Your husband is a death sentance waiting to happen but I hope he does kill someone because the person he kills will be a martar to the cause everybody who has been classed disabled in what ever way to glasses to no arms and legs should be off the road.

I'M BORED OF THIS THREAD BECAUSE NONE HAVE YOU HAVE GIVEN ME A GOOD REASON TO CHANGE MY MIND.

I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS "IF YOU LEAVE YOUR DRINK LAYING AROUND THEN YOU HAVE TO FACE THE CONSEQUENCES"

QUOTE OF THE DAY.

AND FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT LOVE TO POINT OTHER PEOPLES SPELLING MISTAKES JUST FOR SOMETHING TO POST "HAIE A NIdE DEY"

GOOD BYE (sorry I have just noticed I have left caps lock on but you have to admit that was deep so i dont want to risk forgetting it)

I'm sure your attempt at forum suicide will be welcomed by many and forgotten just as quickly.

Bless you and your cabbaged existence. May you never feel the need to breed. :thumbsup:

Good bye and may the bird of paradise fly up your nose......and have a good s**t there is plenty of room

lol, i support the sentiments of the two previous posts.

Deadstar,

because I'm a pedant, and you already criticised people for making fun of your spelling (ooh it must happen all the time), i felt the need to point out a few mistakes in you last post:

1) you spell it sentence, 'nuff said

2) how to spell Martyr (not martar, as you so painfully wrote)

3) Okay I'm scraping the barrel (this is a grammatical error) but i think you mean "from glasses to no arms and legs"

Come on, even royjames spells better than you, and he's a member of the BNP, not that there is anything wrong with that (Seinfeld joke there, go look it up).

May I also suggest that, despite what you say, you're actually leaving this thread because you can't back up your arguments?

You could have not posted this final time and you could have left with a ragged amount of your dignity left, now you just look like a child taking his ball home.

If you thought your post was deep, my god you must be shallow (see what i did there? i felt i might need to add this bit just so that you 'get it')

On a final note, Jeez man, learn some basic rules about writing. I know the Internet makes you look twice the idiot in half the time but don't try and show how much of a mouth breather (someone too stupid to breath through their nose, before you ask) you really are.

Don't have a nice day, have a crap one, maybe you'll learn some humility then.

Wilf

DEADSTAR is it?

Have you heard the saying "never say never".

You say you are too smart for it to happen to you. Well I seriously doubt that you are smart at all given the evidence of your half witted post.

Apart from that, you won't be missed!

just thought id have a look how this discussion was going but found myself in middle of ww2.
god did the mods fall asleep during this.
personal insults flying around everywhere.

MOD: Closing this now as it's gone on long enough for everyone to enjoy deadstar's demise. If anyone has anything to say on the date rape drug issue please use the other thread. (Except you, deadstar)

Date rape drug in Sheffield (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15362)