Ok a serious question now, I got my hands slapped for winding the bus drivers up. Sorry.

Does anyone have any facts on the law involving gypsies.
We keep getting them on the Sportsman field, Lodge Moor.
I could rant all day about how intimidating, selfish, un hygenic ect.... they are, and all though the police keep visiting it's like water off a ducks back.
They will eventually move on to return in a week or two.

Up the road towards Wyming brook is a static camp that has been there since th 50's ( so I have read ).
Does anyone know the situation there, how can they do that.
They must pay something to someone?

Like I said, I don't want to rant about how much they bother me and the surrounding area.
But would like to know more to try and understand.

I really don't understand why the kids don't break the cycle when they grow up.
Surely being hated and moved from one spot to another all the time is tiresome.

Views?

Not so long ago they occupied the car park of a country park local to me while they did tarmac jobs in the area.

When they departed, they left large heaps of rubbish - mainly food waste, but some human waste, and loads of excavated earth and rubble from people's gardens.

I'd be curious to know how gyspies who live on the static sites feel about these travellers who occupy land briefly and then move on.

Does the term 'traveller' still apply to them? Do they object to being called travellers and gypsies?

From the Preston Citizen:


Clean-up will cost thousands

THOUSANDS of pounds of taxpayers money will be spent clearing-up after contractors set-up camp on public land.

Wigan Council says in the past five weeks, five separate, unauthorised camps were set-up within the borough.

Gangs of itinerant workers engaged in driveway, paving, roofing and tree cutting settled at Pennington Flash Country Park and at Aspull Common in Lowton. And as we went to press moves were being made by Wigan Council to evict others from Hesketh Meadow at Lowton.

A staggering 25 tonnes of rubbish and waste was left behind after the four day encampment on the main car park at Pennington Flash.

Parks and Countryside manager Malcolm Russell said: "The majority of rubbish is work-related such as unwanted tarmac, broken flags and tree stumps -- and a fair amount of human waste.

"We estimate it will cost about £1,500 to move this waste plus extra costs for the environmental damage.

It's a funny world. All this work being done by the travellers, probably without VAT or any form of documentation, for the residents of Wigan whose council then has to go and stump up for the clearance. Perhaps the good citizens will offer to recompense the council from the savings they made employing the travellers. I doubt it.

Modesty - I guess the static camp has permission to be on the land that it is on, do you know if it is council owned land or private?

The camps that are moved on stay on the land without permission but I guess they have a bit of time to play with.

Does the static camp bother you, because surely when travellers make somewhere their permanent home they have the incentive to keep it nice and not cause trouble. Those that get moved on I guess its understandable that they would just leave their rubbish behind. Guess thats stating the obvious tho.

Originally posted by elf
Modesty - I guess the static camp has permission to be on the land that it is on, do you know if it is council owned land or private?

The camps that are moved on stay on the land without permission but I guess they have a bit of time to play with.

Does the static camp bother you, because surely when travellers make somewhere their permanent home they have the incentive to keep it nice and not cause trouble. Those that get moved on I guess its understandable that they would just leave their rubbish behind. Guess thats stating the obvious tho.

We Don't really get any trouble from the static camp.
I suppose they know to be careful.
That said, I've noticed a diy sewage pipe that runs on to the main road ( Remires rd ) and the surrounding woods is filled with rubbish and old gas bottles.
Their is plenty of noise as they have speakers placed around the make shift streets, also dogs and shooting.

You would not dare enter to enquire.
The all thing is surrounded in mystery, I suppose that's the obsession.
Perhaps some Traverlers are online to enlighten me.
Not so daft, as the last lot who have just moved on today, had all the latest mobiles, Audi cars, 40 thousand pound caravans ect....

I have no idea who owns the land of the static camp, but I think it may just be in the Peak District boundery and someone is supplying the electricity?

They keep them selves to themselves which is fine, but with a new housing estate just going up.
Two worlds are getting extreamly close.

I met some Romany Gypsies once on holiday. They said that they didn't like to be likened to travellers. They said the travellers who just leave everything a dump make a bad name for the proper gypsies.

Obviously they said it much better than me. ;)

There are loads in Ireland - the traditional type who have the old style horse-drawn caravans.

They cause no mess or hassle at all.

I once saw some down in Kent last year. There were three caravans on a quiet country lane. They way they were dressed and looked was almost as if I had gone back in time 100 years.

God I hate the Gypsies in Lodge Moor - the kids are absolutely awfull. Most of them don't even go to school, and they terrorise local people, shouting rude names etc at them and throwing stones!

That's what I don't understand about them living the way they do.
You would think their camp craft skills would be fantastic.

But Pooing in the woods, building huge fires that burn the ground and surrounding trees, waste, do I need to go on?

No respect for the very land they rely upon.

No wonder they are hated so, and that's not even talking about the money they don't put back into the system.

This (http://www.germancaravans.co.uk/hobby.html) is the caravan of choice for travellers.

Just take a look at the level of luxury inside them. I don't think that they live off the land like they used to - just move from place to place consuming what they can.

these people are not gypsies there irish tinkers,and i say boot the lot out because they come onto land and stay until the cops move them on,what would happen if we all did this.
they pay no tax,no council tax,no car tax nothing and expect to have people running about for them every day .

you want to try handling them when the come to your business
they want every thing for nowt and intimidate you when you say no...

just read your comment George the correct irish term is didiki
tinker is some one who travels around earning a crust

Midnight raid, impound all the vehicles until they pay damages.

Imprison anyone putting up resistance.

Originally posted by jan2002
you want to try handling them when the come to your business
they want every thing for nowt and intimidate you when you say no...

When I worked in Chesterfield at a steel works we used to get them round at night stealing any metal they could find. We were only a shift of four, they came in groups. We used to have to lock ourselves in!

At home I have conifers and a paving stone drive, I get pestered about once a month asking if I want work done. Yeah, like the guarantee would be worth anything once the tarmac crumbles away after a month or my trees get dumped on a field!

There's a Gypsy Support Office on Attercliffe Common (or was).
You could ask them for some advice.But I fear they would only want you to buy some whittled pegs or sample a slice of roasted hedgehog while you listened to a lecture on oppressed minorities and celebrating diversity.
Think these days the gypsy-folk have abandoned the rural crafts for cable-burning and stealing garden gates.

Originally posted by BAZZO
There's a Gypsy Support Office on Attercliffe Common (or was).
You could ask them for some advice.But I fear they would only want you to buy some whittled pegs or sample a slice of roasted hedgehog while you listened to a lecture on oppressed minorities and celebrating diversity.
Think these days the gypsy-folk have abandoned the rural crafts for cable-burning and stealing garden gates.

Yeah I've seen it.
It is kind of tempting or am I getting in too deep?

by jove, peasants in Lodge Moor...Out with the rifles chaps..:D

Originally posted by robbie
by jove, peasants in Lodge Moor...Out with the rifles chaps..:D

Well I did think about hitting a few golf balls in their general direction.
It is a sports field after all.

accidents do happen......

also gypsies and clay pigeons look quite similar if you have bad eyesight..:thumbsup:

Gyp·sy also Gip·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jps)
n. pl. Gyp·sies
A member of a people that arrived in Europe in migrations from northern India around the 14th century, now also living in North America and Australia. Many Gypsy groups have preserved elements of their traditional culture, including an itinerant existence and the Romany language.
See Romany.
gypsy- One inclined to a nomadic, unconventional way of life.
A person who moves from place to place as required for employment, especially:
A part-time or temporary member of a college faculty.
A member of the chorus line in a theater production.


interesting ,found this definition on the online dictionary.

Originally posted by tara
Gyp·sy also Gip·sy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jps)
n. pl. Gyp·sies
A member of a people that arrived in Europe in migrations from northern India around the 14th century, now also living in North America and Australia. Many Gypsy groups have preserved elements of their traditional culture, including an itinerant existence and the Romany language.
See Romany.
gypsy- One inclined to a nomadic, unconventional way of life.
A person who moves from place to place as required for employment, especially:
A part-time or temporary member of a college faculty.
A member of the chorus line in a theater production.


interesting ,found this definition on the online dictionary.

That way of life does sound idyllic, out of the rat race and all that.
But they do like that green paper with the queens head on it.
Double standards springs to mind.

My God. There's people who aren't the same as us.

That can't be right.

Bally odd-bods, jolly well hang the rascals I say, what.

live and let live say I, but then again what are these people contributing to society apart from keeping waste clean up workers in employment. Look on the bright side if they live next door to you it should keep the rats and flies out of your house.:D

this whole thread is gypophobic:P :P :P :P :P

Originally posted by Squiggs
My God. There's people who aren't the same as us.

That can't be right.

Bally odd-bods, jolly well hang the rascals I say, what.

YOu can go and clear up their mess then mate.

where i'm from in london we have a long-standing and stable gypsy site in a local park which is owned by the council, they provide benefits to the gypsies that are eligible and the rest pay rent and council tax. They live as normal, and i think a few have jobs.

There is a big difference between 'authentic' gypsies and travellers who just take advantage of a poor and hard to enforce system. They move to a site, ruin it, steal and take what they can and move on and in a year's time they'll be back.

Most gypsies I have encountered near me have been very normal and pleasant but that's because they have been there a long time and it's reached an equilibrium with the local people.

travellers give gypsies a very bad name!

Hi Folks

Sorry to say that most Gypsies are theives and crooks!

Then at Redmires, where I use to run past every night for many years, never seemed to cause any trouble, but then they can't really move from a static site!

As for the roamers, check the police records on crime when they are in an area, the kids are sent out as Burgulars in the night, the men go out scrapping, pinching anything that can be sold as scrap!

I once wittnessed them trying to load a pickup with ornamental iron gates from a part in broad daylight!

Come on, how do you think these toe wrags earn their money, not from fortune telling, take a look at the vehicles, Range rovers, Toyota Landcrusiers, and the caravans, those shiney caravans cost a small fortune!

These people are leeches to society, they give nothing, take whatever they like, especially if it does not belong to them!

They even steal their diesel from Lorry depots!

These one not too far from me at Eckington, that has a voice warning system that can be heard for miles, it usually goes off when the gypsies are robbing it, the police do nothing!

How do I know, I have drove to it at night, to find the owners turning the alarm system off and checking things over, they even have laser barriers to stop these gypsies, but to no avail!

Throw them out of the country, they dont belong here, send them back from whence they came!

Regards

Mark ..

Tax dodging thiefs most of em, but theres always some good ones amongst all the bad. If they respected the areas they occupy they would get more respect rather than leaving c'rap everywhere when they bugger off.

Originally posted by HxTim
Midnight raid, impound all the vehicles until they pay damages.

Imprison anyone putting up resistance.


On the other hand, you could take a hard line with them! :)

I'm amazed at the unopposed bad press the gypsies are getting here. I felt sure the tree huggers would be out en masse to defend the travellers' inalienable right to steal, intimidate and take a crap on your front lawn as the fancy takes them.

Come on chaps - where are the social workers and do-gooders when you need them? :)

Now now Mojo - stop trolling :nono: ;)

To be honest, I've never noticed any impact up in Lodge Moor, but perhaps I should get out more. I don't think the 'static' camp is much of an issue. Travellers are another thing though.

Originally posted by Squiggs
My God. There's people who aren't the same as us.

That can't be right.

Bally odd-bods, jolly well hang the rascals I say, what.

Like I said, I can understand their way of life.
It sounds great I've spent most of my life outdoors and I have never had a 9-5 job.
I am totally in tune with where they are coming from.

But they rub against the grain of the majority of Britain.
Taking and giving nothing back, and I'm not just on about Money.

True the static site is not a problem ( if not a little un hygenic ).
but I did say I wanted to learn a little more about them.
Being scared of the unknown and all that.

Mailers who are point blank sideing with them are either, gypsies or hav'nt been in contact with them.
I must admit when I relay some of the stories back it sounds like something of the tv ( Snatch comes to mind ).

The very bottom line is the "roamers" are very aggressive and very worrying when you have a family.

P.s does anyone have any history or info on the Redmires static camp?

You lot would have loved Hitler's Germany.

Shiny jackboots, nice clean streets, anyone different sent away to lovely camps.

Shame he didn't win eh?

/sarcasm off

Disclaimer: No trees were hugged during the typing of this post.

edit: Modesty, I do actually appreciate where you are coming from but you have to laugh at some of the people who jump in. ;)

What makes me wonder is,would any of the snobs on here kick up such a stink if a gypsy camp was set up away from the greener end of town?
If I come on here and said a band of travellers had set up on the large field at the bottom of Shiregreen,75% of those who have posted on this thread couldn't give a toss.
And for Lodge Moor,read Fulwood,Ecclesall,Ranmoor etc...
You lot up that end of town want to take your head out of your collective rectums and deal with it.

Originally posted by Xtro
You lot would have loved Hitler's Germany.

Shiny jackboots, nice clean streets, anyone different sent away to lovely camps.

Shame he didn't win eh?

/sarcasm off

Disclaimer: No trees were hugged during the typing of this post.

edit: Modesty, I do actually appreciate where you are coming from but you have to laugh at some of the people who jump in. ;)



I think you'll also find Hitler did plenty of children killing.

But I do get the joke though.

Originally posted by uncleheed
What makes me wonder is,would any of the snobs on here kick up such a stink if a gypsy camp was set up away from the greener end of town?
If I come on here and said a band of travellers had set up on the large field at the bottom of Shiregreen,75% of those who have posted on this thread couldn't give a toss.
And for Lodge Moor,read Fulwood,Ecclesall,Ranmoor etc...
You lot up that end of town want to take your head out of your collective rectums and deal with it.

Bleating Busman alert!!!

Originally posted by Modesty
Did you actually read my last post?

I think you'll also find Hitler did plenty of children killing.

The Nazis also persecuted the gypsies as well.

Must stop biting.

Actually Uncleheed I first came in to contact with roamers in Attercliffe. where I was born and bred and if they botherd me as much when I lived at Page hall for 7 years, I would have felt exactly the same.
Don't give me that Common man crap!

Originally posted by Modesty
Did you actually read my last post?

I think you'll also find Hitler did plenty of children killing.

Yes I did. But it seems you didn't read my edit, which was aimed at you.

Mojo got the reference.

And as for "must stop biting"...its only an internet forum. The sun is shining, thats more important.

It's not just about the gypsys though.When anything happens up that end of town certain people are straight on here,whinging that their bit of town is being overrun/soiled by people who are 'beneath them'.
This is the greatest city in the country,but some of the residents of the better ends(yes,I do believe that they are better ends of the city,I just cant afford to live there or I would),see themselves as more worthy people than the rest.

Originally posted by Xtro
Yes I did. But it seems you didn't read my edit, which was aimed at you.

Mojo got the reference.

And as for "must stop biting"...its only an internet forum. The sun is shining, thats more important.

Did you read my last edit. Ha Ha.

Originally posted by uncleheed
It's not just about the gypsys though.When anything happens up that end of town certain people are straight on here,whinging that their bit of town is being overrun/soiled by people who are 'beneath them'.
This is the greatest city in the country,but some of the residents of the better ends(yes,I do believe that they are better ends of the city,I just cant afford to live there or I would),see themselves as more worthy people than the rest.

Without a slagging match I woul be interested to know why you think people at Lodge Moor believe they are more superior to Shiregreen, explain?

But could you do it on a new thread please.

"You lot up that end of town want to take your head out of your collective rectums and deal with it."

Deal with what, Uncleheed?

Do gypsies illegally camp in "snob" districts because they know what would happen if they tried to park in other parts of Sheffield?

Granma.

Originally posted by uncleheed
What makes me wonder is,would any of the snobs on here kick up such a stink if a gypsy camp was set up away from the greener end of town?
If I come on here and said a band of travellers had set up on the large field at the bottom of Shiregreen,75% of those who have posted on this thread couldn't give a toss.
And for Lodge Moor,read Fulwood,Ecclesall,Ranmoor etc...
You lot up that end of town want to take your head out of your collective rectums and deal with it.

Ummm.. I think it's you that is having trouble breathing uncleheed. :loopy:

Does anyone care when something happens in the North of the city?Do they hell!
And it's not just residents,it's the council too.Every time you pick up the Star,our leader of the council,Mrs Wilson,is pictured in a lovely leafy street,proclaiming how proud she is of her workers keeping our streets clean.
At this end of town,we get litter cleared every millenium,and the verges cut once a year.
That is my point,if a gypsy camp set up here,no-one could care less.
I just put one question to you all:

How many asylum hostels and houses for asylum seekers are there in Lodge/Fulwood/Ecclesall/Ranmoor?

Originally posted by uncleheed
asylum hostels and houses for asylum seekers

Carry on this is getting interesting?

Originally posted by mojoworking
The Nazis also persecuted the gypsies as well.

Perhaps they laid a really bad tarmac drive for Hitler and incurred his wrath!

Originally posted by alchresearch
Perhaps they laid a really bad tarmac drive for Hitler and incurred his wrath!

Either that, or they sold him some dodgy clothes pegs!

Hmm, poor taste.

Maybe they are the entire cause of the second world war... they read his tea leaves and got them wrong and told him he was destined to rule the world!

Originally posted by uncleheed
Does anyone care when something happens in the North of the city?Do they hell!
And it's not just residents,it's the council too.Every time you pick up the Star,our leader of the council,Mrs Wilson,is pictured in a lovely leafy street,proclaiming how proud she is of her workers keeping our streets clean.
At this end of town,we get litter cleared every millenium,and the verges cut once a year.
That is my point,if a gypsy camp set up here,no-one could care less.
I just put one question to you all:

How many asylum hostels and houses for asylum seekers are there in Lodge/Fulwood/Ecclesall/Ranmoor?

i certainly agree with you! i live at high green, i wouldnt say its a dump but its certainly not looked after like the south of the city & high green where everyone wants a house at the mo (very close to city, rotherham, barnsley & J35 & 35a of M1).

we had travelers living at the bottom of the industrial estate where the new housing estate is. my cousins house got delayed because bricks kept going missin! they kept trying to flog crappy sofa's & chairs that were obviousley show room furnature.

Originally posted by SaxonLeigh
i certainly agree with you! i live at high green, i wouldnt say its a dump but its certainly not looked after like the south of the city & high green where everyone wants a house at the mo (very close to city, rotherham, barnsley & J35 & 35a of M1).

we had travelers living at the bottom of the industrial estate where the new housing estate is. my cousins house got delayed because bricks kept going missin! they kept trying to flog crappy sofa's & chairs that were obviousley show room furnature.

So where is the seperation, Lodge Moor has traveller Problems, High Green has traveller problems?

There is no secret gypsy eradication squad that swoops into Lodge Moor within a min of a traveller arriving.

As I keep saying, we have them constantly and the police don't have the appropriate laws to deal with it.

Originally posted by Modesty
So where is the seperation, Lodge Moor has traveller Problems, High Green has traveller problems?

There is no secret gypsy eradication squad that swoops into Lodge Moor within a min of a traveller arriving.

As I keep saying, we have them constantly and the police don't have the appropriate laws to deal with it.

thats not what i'm arguing about, i was agreeing with uncleheed, nobody seams to give a s**t about the north. i remember the last time i saw a road sweeper going through dore, tit'was only last week, the last time i saw a road sweeper go down the main road in high green? i think i was about 7y/o! the only thing the council has done in our village is put up a couple of new swings, a 5 a side pitch up on the park & they've only done that because of the new europian law that says all parks must have spongy surface, not because they wanted to do it. & dont give me that c**p about all the kids in high green would just destroy it because the kids in dore would aswell!

You might be barking up the wrong tree...


http://www.sheffieldfirst.net/news/news_20040405.htm
http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/news/2004/apr13.htm

Originally posted by Patchy
Maybe they are the entire cause of the second world war... they read his tea leaves and got them wrong and told him he was destined to rule the world!

Then there was the so-called lucky white heather they sold him just before he went for that routine testicle examination

Originally posted by SaxonLeigh
dont give me that c**p about all the kids in high green would just destroy it because the kids in dore would aswell!

You presume far too much.

Originally posted by Modesty
You presume far too much.

That's exactly the snobbery I was talking about.

You automatically think that the local kids in Dore would not smash up the new swings because it is Dore.

You have an opinion of bus drivers,I have gathered that from previous threads.You also forget that us bus drivers pick up kids from all the schools in Sheffield.I must say, the kids from the so called better schools,don'tknow how to behave in public.They are the ones that vandalise things,just because mummy and daddy aren't there to supervise the little darlings

Originally posted by Modesty

Like I said, I don't want to rant about how much they bother me and the surrounding area.
But would like to know more to try and understand.

I really don't understand why the kids don't break the cycle when they grow up.
Surely being hated and moved from one spot to another all the time is tiresome.

Views?



Filthy, thieving, scroungers are travellers. Foul everything up when they illegally plonk themselves on somebody elses land. Leaving all their s**t and rubbish behind them not to mention helping themselves to anything that isn't chained down.

Look on any of their vehicles for a valid tax disc but chances are you won't find. Then look at their expensive travelling homes and ask yourself who the mugs are.

They were regular 'visitors' on the land opposite Morrisons at Halfway until the land was sold for housing. I've had my belly full of them.

As they are classed as an ethnic minority they get special teachers for their children and their kids aren't in classes of 30 either!

There should be more sites built and they should be made to use them and PAY their way.

Originally posted by uncleheed
That's exactly the snobbery I was talking about.

You automatically think that the local kids in Dore would not smash up the new swings because it is Dore.

You have an opinion of bus drivers,I have gathered that from previous threads.You also forget that us bus drivers pick up kids from all the schools in Sheffield.I must say, the kids from the so called better schools,don'tknow how to behave in public.They are the ones that vandalise things,just because mummy and daddy aren't there to supervise the little darlings

He presumed that I was going to give him "some crap" in general.

Uncleheed you are not doing a very good Pr job for bus drivers,
nevermind folk from Shiregreen.

Originally posted by Mo
Filthy, thieving, scroungers are travellers. Foul everything up when they illegally plonk themselves on somebody elses land. Leaving all their s**t and rubbish behind them not to mention helping themselves to anything that isn't chained down.

Just for the tree huggin' record, they are not all like that.
Had to be said.


Modesty - as you don't seem to be getting any clear answers you could try ringing the council and find out what the official policy is.
If you think about tree protests, it is very difficult to get people out of them - they are not ususally moved on till the security arrives - maybe its the same with travellers.

FURIOUS villagers have been left stumped after travellers set up camp on their manicured cricket pitch.

A convoy of around 20 vehicles has moved on to the pitch at the village cricket club and is refusing to budge.
And with just one day to go before the first match of the season, the village team has had to postpone tomorrow's game.
Langwith Cricket Club, near Worksop, has spent £2,000 preparing the square and surrounding area which had been cordoned to keep local youngsters from playing on the grass.
Now the caravans and vehicles have churned up the turf, causing severe damage and leaving exasperated club officials try to find an alterative pitch to play their matches.
Club secretary Ian Sharpe, aged 55, of Chapel Street, Langwith, said: "These travellers moved in some time ago and took over the village railway station car park.
"The council dug trenches and eventually police escorted the caravans and vehicles off the car park about two weeks ago and barriers were installed.
"We thought they had gone away for good but they appeared again and they have been on the cricket pitch ever since.
"They have even parked the caravans on the cricket square, which will probably be ruined now and impossible to play on.
"We have approached these people in a polite manner and explained the situation. We have asked them to move but they have refused.
"We even asked them just to move the caravans off the cricket square and park on the outfield to save the pitch being damaged but nothing has happened.
"They have obviously parked there because the grass is so lush, it's better than a manicured lawn.
"Our hands are tied. I live 60 yards from the cricket pitch and I don't want any intimidation.
"The council are aware of the situation and it is in their hands now."
Ian, who runs the local garage, added: "We have had to cancel tomorrow's game against our local rivals Shirebrook. Our next match is away so we don't have a game here for two weeks.
"I have no idea how long it will take to get this matter resolved but I suspect it will be some time before we can play on the pitch again."
"We are trying to find an alternative ground but we have had no luck so far."
Residents are also nervous about having the camp close to homes in the village.
A Bolsover District Council spokesman said: "A council official has asked the travellers to move but they haven't so we are considering legal options."

taken from:
http://www.rotherhamtoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=85&ArticleID=1001311

And they wonder why people hate them so much? It's one thing to camp up on a spare bit of ground, but a recognised sporting venue is nothing short of disgusting.

Originally posted by uncleheed
What makes me wonder is,would any of the snobs on here kick up such a stink if a gypsy camp was set up away from the greener end of town?
If I come on here and said a band of travellers had set up on the large field at the bottom of Shiregreen,75% of those who have posted on this thread couldn't give a toss.
And for Lodge Moor,read Fulwood,Ecclesall,Ranmoor etc...
You lot up that end of town want to take your head out of your collective rectums and deal with it.

I think you're missing the point here, anyone, from any area - whether it be "posh" or not, would get upset about the problems that have been outlined on here, if it was happening in THEIR neighbourhood. I don't care if you're from Dore or Shiregreen, if you have people setting up camp, sh*tting everywhere, intimidating locals and stealing property, then you ARE going to give a toss. And similarly, if it doesn't really affect you, then you (generally) aint going to care too much.

In the same way I can't see the people in Dore caring about your community problems, I don't see you caring about theirs either. It's swings and roundabouts, and not necessarily a snobbery issue.

And the reason that so many people have responded is because people obviously like to slag off gypsys. NOT becasue they are outraged that it's happened in such a "respectable area".

Wouldn't you keep moving on, once the area around your caravan was full of rubbish, excrement, insulation of copper wire and someone else would come and clear it up for you?????

A good few years ago some Irish travellers set up camp on land in Catcliffe. Their drunkardness, anti-social behaviour and attempts to intimidate backfired. The local miners came up with a novel way of persuading them to move on by stoning their caravans.

A similar event occurred at Magilla (Anston) some years back.

Fed up of their gun law & the very fact the gypsies were banned from EVERY pub within a 20 mile radius...

The local big-hitters got together & ousted them.

The site had purpose built facilites like toilet blocks & showers n stuff.

Now concreted. :D

slight change of subject but still about gypsies in 1982 i worked in a carpet shop in dinnington and the gypies always used to come in for cheap stuff anyway we used to sell cut offs for smething like 50p ,anyway one day a gypsy woman come in and asked if she could have 3 for a pound i said no and was told id have a curse on me for the rest of my life and i think she was right:loopy:

anyway im sure they are good gypses out there just yet to see one:D

Originally posted by Modesty

I really don't understand why the kids don't break the cycle when they grow up.
Surely being hated and moved from one spot to another all the time is tiresome.

Views?

I travelled back from norwich to sheffield on the train one day and sat opposite me for most of the journey was a young lad of about 14 and his dad.

At first I was a bit wary of them, looked a bit scruffy and swore a lot to each other. ( I know I was making asumptions, but as a ladyeee travelling alone with a fair bit of company IT equipment I am always a bit wary of talking to starngers.)

They were interested in the lap top I was using and asked a few general questions and before long I gave up trying to do any work and chatted to them freely for about 2 hours.

They were gypsies and had been for about 12 generations. Their family records went back hundreds of years.

They were in the business of buying and selling second hand cars and this trip out was the first one where the lad had taken control of the sale and made a handsome profit with his first deal. He was obviously very proud to be taking on the family way of life and following in such a long tradition.

He explained that he had never been to school, could read & write enough to get by and had no intention of changing this.

they were entertaining to talk to, the lad had more confidence and personal skills than alot of 14 year old who generally just grunt!

In answer to your post, why do the kids not move on. They are proud of their heritage and feel they can make money in their own way on their own terms enough to get by. So why should they move away from a culture that is perfectly acceptable to them..

I in no way support the behaviour of the filthy scumbags described in detail in these posts who illiegally camp, trash the countryside and steal from locals........ I re-told this story in an attempt to answer your original question about the kids.

If you are brought up in their world, this is all that you know. They believe it to be right, because the people they love and trust tell them that it is right. Their father's pride becomes their pride etc.....


**stands back and waits for agro**

Originally posted by LoopyLou
...He explained that he had never been to school, could read & write enough to get by and had no intention of changing this...

...**stands back and waits for agro**
A well presented story Lou, but isn't it a legal requirement of this country that children are educated ?

This is yet another example of how a small section of the community allowed to blatantly flout the laws of this land.

Originally posted by foo_fighter
A well presented story Lou, but isn't it a legal requirement of this country that children are educated ?

This is yet another example of how a small section of the community allowed to blatantly flout the laws of this land.

Hang on.
You correctly say "educated".
The law does not say that you must go to school!

he had been educated, to the standards he thought he needed, by his family.

He was taught to read via newspapers. He had never read a book and thought it amusing that I was shocked by this.

He was very good at mental arithmetic, beat me easily, but then that's not hard to be honest. I'm the product of an official education that allowed calculators from a very young age......

He did not want to go to school because in his opinion they didn't teach him what he needed to know to make a living. plus on the few occaisions that he had been forced into school, (I can't remember why) he had been verbally abused by the kids and ignored by teachers.....

He had very good 'life skills' as in the conversation we had was entertaining, interesting and though provoking. For example, If I challenged anything he said, he would debate and argue his point rather the usual huff or mood that I have experienced with other teenagers. (see below)

He accepted that most people have a poor opinion of his way of life and was very much aware of most of the complaints and arguments that people use against them and generally had a reply to most of them.

I do not know what his home was like and I do not know if his familly looked after the areas they lived in or not...... but as a person he seemed well balanced, happy with his lot and they completed tax returns!!! he did admit that they didn't always complete them totally truthfully and that some sales were 'under the counter' but then most people who live in houses have pulled an occaisional fiddle too.

(My teenager comment I admit is very stereotypical, I do not wish to offend the extremely well mannered and conversational younger forum members!)

Originally posted by Modesty
Ok a serious question now, I got my hands slapped for winding the bus drivers up. Sorry.

Does anyone have any facts on the law involving gypsies.
We keep getting them on the Sportsman field, Lodge Moor.
I could rant all day about how intimidating, selfish, un hygenic ect.... they are, and all though the police keep visiting it's like water off a ducks back.
They will eventually move on to return in a week or two.

Up the road towards Wyming brook is a static camp that has been there since th 50's ( so I have read ).
Does anyone know the situation there, how can they do that.
They must pay something to someone?

Like I said, I don't want to rant about how much they bother me and the surrounding area.
But would like to know more to try and understand.
actually there not that bad i know they go around cauing trouble and making a mess but i dont think they are bad. in the summer holidays they all go down on fields near the manor and most of there relatives live on the arbourthorne and they have never got in the way the only ones that think they are clever are the ones at mytrle springs E.g the mornes but all of there family are fine and always have been. They do sometimes cause trouble but who doesnt you dont have to be a gypsie to make mess or cause trouble

I really don't understand why the kids don't break the cycle when they grow up.
Surely being hated and moved from one spot to another all the time is tiresome.

Views?

Originally posted by LoopyLou
I travelled back from norwich to sheffield on the train one day and sat opposite me for most of the journey was a young lad of about 14 and his dad.

At first I was a bit wary of them, looked a bit scruffy and swore a lot to each other. ( I know I was making asumptions, but as a ladyeee travelling alone with a fair bit of company IT equipment I am always a bit wary of talking to starngers.)

They were interested in the lap top I was using and asked a few general questions and before long I gave up trying to do any work and chatted to them freely for about 2 hours.

They were gypsies and had been for about 12 generations. Their family records went back hundreds of years.

They were in the business of buying and selling second hand cars and this trip out was the first one where the lad had taken control of the sale and made a handsome profit with his first deal. He was obviously very proud to be taking on the family way of life and following in such a long tradition.

He explained that he had never been to school, could read & write enough to get by and had no intention of changing this.

they were entertaining to talk to, the lad had more confidence and personal skills than alot of 14 year old who generally just grunt!

In answer to your post, why do the kids not move on. They are proud of their heritage and feel they can make money in their own way on their own terms enough to get by. So why should they move away from a culture that is perfectly acceptable to them..

I in no way support the behaviour of the filthy scumbags described in detail in these posts who illiegally camp, trash the countryside and steal from locals........ I re-told this story in an attempt to answer your original question about the kids.

If you are brought up in their world, this is all that you know. They believe it to be right, because the people they love and trust tell them that it is right. Their father's pride becomes their pride etc.....


**stands back and waits for agro**

Most gypsies are fine but sum you have to watch i have cousins that are gypsies that live in doncaster they are quite bad but most are ok my antie has a caravan and the man that owns it is a gypsie he is quite old but he cant read or write if he has to write his sons have to do it for him. but mostof them get private teaching.

Originally posted by lizovarbour


Could I ask why lizovarbour as edited my post form the 4th paragraph where the new scentence "actually there not that bad" starts without a capital letter.

I take most things with a pinch of salt on here, but putting words in my mouth is just wrong.

Like I 've said in this thread, gypsies are probabaly on line with all the latest technology.

Originally posted by cgksheff
Hang on.
You correctly say "educated".
The law does not say that you must go to school!
Originally posted by LoopyLou
he had been educated, to the standards he thought he needed, by his family.
I am quite aware the law does not say that someone must be educated at school.

Nor does it say, that no education, or an education to a standard that is "thought to be acceptable to the parents" is OK.

If parents from the non-traveller community only educated our children enough to "read and write enough to get by" we would end up in court, this has happened to people plenty of times.

As I said previously,
Originally posted by foo_fighter
This is yet another example of how a small section of the community allowed to blatantly flout the laws of this land.

PS I am not saying that all gypsies / travellers are not educated to an acceptable standard, but quite clearly some are not, it is these people to which I am referring.

Originally posted by LoopyLou
he had been educated, to the standards he thought he needed, by his family.

He was taught to read via newspapers. He had never read a book and thought it amusing that I was shocked by this.

He was very good at mental arithmetic, beat me easily, but then that's not hard to be honest. I'm the product of an official education that allowed calculators from a very young age......

He did not want to go to school because in his opinion they didn't teach him what he needed to know to make a living. plus on the few occaisions that he had been forced into school, (I can't remember why) he had been verbally abused by the kids and ignored by teachers.....

He had very good 'life skills' as in the conversation we had was entertaining, interesting and though provoking. For example, If I challenged anything he said, he would debate and argue his point rather the usual huff or mood that I have experienced with other teenagers. (see below)

He accepted that most people have a poor opinion of his way of life and was very much aware of most of the complaints and arguments that people use against them and generally had a reply to most of them.

I do not know what his home was like and I do not know if his familly looked after the areas they lived in or not...... but as a person he seemed well balanced, happy with his lot and they completed tax returns!!! he did admit that they didn't always complete them totally truthfully and that some sales were 'under the counter' but then most people who live in houses have pulled an occaisional fiddle too.

(My teenager comment I admit is very stereotypical, I do not wish to offend the extremely well mannered and conversational younger forum members!)

Don't think anyone is sugesting that gypsies are stupid, infact just the opposite to live the way they live.

I feel so let down by my own schooling that I feel like educating my own girls at home if the other half would allow it.

The cycle I was refurring to was the constent traveling moving in without notice or permission.
Upsetting locals that have gone through the right channels to live there, with anti social, threatening and un hygenic behaviour.
Why don't they get with the system that the majority have to go through.
Find a nice place to live wait for an appropriate house or plot to come up for sale and buy it leagally (cash or mortgage).
Move in without the rest of the camp and work with the rest of the comunity.

It's not that difficult to understand.

Please don't come back with it's a free world and people have different way's of life.

Like it or not the majority of this country go through the same precedure in life stop rubbing against it and get on it with us.

Anyway this thread started a while ago and I'm afraid i'm more on the dislike side now.
No ones come up with a good argument for their way of life.
Not been able to come up with any hard facts, it's a closed door.

Personal experiences have just been terrible up on the Sportsman field, so aggressive! and a lack of consideration for other people.

Hope I've put my thoughts across well, like I said my school was crap!:mad: :mad:

Originally posted by Modesty
Ok a serious question now, Does anyone have any facts on the law involving gypsies.


Found this while googling BLUNKETT



In December 2003, Home Secretary David Blunkett lifted the restrictions preventing Slovak gypsies from settling here. Now they can freely enter the UK, without visas, and without the need to claim they are seeking asylum (although a handy trump card should they get any hassle from immigration officials, with well prepared tales of persecution, despite Slovakia now officially a "safe" country).

From here:

http://www.derbygripe.co.uk/perbrit.htm

I find many of the views posted on this topic highly ignorant. I happen to have a very objective and educated insight to the matter, as I am half Romany. My mother was born a gypsy, but as her parents grew older, her family moved into a cottage. My uncles both live in trailers, but my auntie and my mother live in houses. My father has been a gorger (non-traveller) all his life and has never had any ancestors (to his knowledge) that were.
My mother's side of the family are not litterers or vermin, they treat their homes with respect and care just as any other would. They are not anti-social or uneducated, in fact, they happen to be some of the most carismatic and witty people I know. With the odds stacked against the, and constantly dealing with people socially, they have to be! And yes, it is true that not many of the children attend secondary school, but they are far from uneducated. They may not know how to do algebra but the life skills they learn are vital and learnt at a much younger age than gorgers. Some people said that the ways of old gypsies are gone, but that isn't true either. My uncles just recently built from scratch 3 old fashioned bow-top wagons, to thhe standard of proffesionals, which they are planning to travel around in this summer. They know how to hunt and can survive in slef-made camps for weeks with minimal supplies. I have been out with them whilst they have hunted rabbits, birds and even caught a hedgehog, though I didn't really feel an appetite to eat it!
Also, a didiki is actually an old fashioned word for the poorer gypsies still around in England in the first half of the 20th century (camp fires for warmth, no shoes, 15 children - you get the picture!)
I do accept that some behaviour from certain travellers is unacceptable, but this kind of behaviour is found throughout all walks of society and I find it offensive for people to generalise this minority to the whole.

whats the difference between a pikey and a gypo then?

i lived in a town near brum and there was a camp site on one side of twon, everyone there called them pikeys - is it to do with their irish descent or something? they all talked like brad pitt on snatch....errrr mate, ill fite ye 4 ya shoes, do ya want any roofin doin? pricks

Everything I know about Gypsies I learnt from the lyrics of "Gypsies, tramps and thieves" by Cher.

Up the road towards Wyming brook is a static camp that has been there since th 50's ( so I have read ).
Does anyone know the situation there, how can they do that.
They must pay something to someone?


Views?
Apparently the Gypsies were allowed to set up camp there by the council (many think the Labour council responsible chose that site cause its in a largely Conservative area). They do have to pay council tax.

They should be classed as illegal immigrants , and kick out of the country preferably to the middle of the Sahara dessert so they can't nick anything.

Last year I was fortunate enough to visit Romania and whilst being shown the sites I saw where the Romany's live. They live in small townships away from where the majority live. Their houses are tin huts or wooden shacks and the people are treated like vermin. Does this sound familiar ?

I do feel sorry for anybody who has these people desend on there community as they trash the place and the crime rate go's up they are vermin :rant:
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/butiaboy/gypsy.jpg

they are not the romantic image that everybody knows with a horse and cart
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~hnw/DW/GypsyCaravan.jpg

todays gypsis are either eastern euopean migrants or irish tinker's

So long as they are out of the way it's not a problem. I feel sorry for southerners in that the weaker members of society like the elderley get their drives covered for £8,000 or whatever it is the scoundrels charge. Oop north the locals wouldn't be able to afford it.

There and again, Donny has the highest intake of any town in the UK and it's still just homegrown problems that cause the most problems. Live near 3 gypsy camps, two extremley close and the only "sector" of people who cause the most problems around here *seems to be* the middle-class 11-14 year old kids.

That's not to say travellers don't cause problems for other people as well around here, because they do... have never seen a local pub or social club stand the onslaught and the nearest ones to the camps have gone bust or their owners have given in. Was most disspiriting to see the owner who ran a small social club, only a small length away from the nearest camp drinking a mile down at my local because he was too scared to have a drink in his own place!

They should be classed as illegal immigrants , and kick out of the country preferably to the middle of the Sahara dessert so they can't nick anything.

Except hamsters!

Last year I was fortunate enough to visit Romania and whilst being shown the sites I saw where the Romany's live. They live in small townships away from where the majority live. Their houses are tin huts or wooden shacks and the people are treated like vermin. Does this sound familiar ?

But did they live a traditional life, or did they go around filthing up the area, camping on playing fields or car parks and leaving piles of rotting rubbish and excrement, and offering to tarmac people's drives?

The Nazis also persecuted the gypsies as well.


..and many members of this forum are Nazi sympathisers, I'm afraid.

you can't say that mate they will put a "curse" on you:hihi:

I've already cursed each of the ones in my examples - and the curses I use often work very well.

Nuf Said