Well Steve Moxon has finally been sacked for bringing into the open the abuses of the immigration laws and the fast tracking of eastern european migrants in to the country.
I personally think he has been traeted badly ,after all he tried to go through the proper channels and in the end out of sheer frustration went public.
We have in this country an honourable tradition of whistle blowing and I hope this continues in the future.
As far as i'm concerned the man has paid the price for showing how useless the immigration service is and has been scape goated.

I heard (from a talking dog I met on fargate this afternoon) that steve moxon is a self seeking publicist, with a failed journalistic career behind him, who was hardly able to get the very junior level job he has just lost.

He ignited an argument to serve his own purposes, and got what he deserved - the sack. Oh and his picture on the front of the star. Who the hell phones the star with the photo op "I'm signing on"?

Try reading what he has written on various bbc websites and other news/political sites - this is a guy with a serious chip on his shoulder, whose motives should be held up to higher scrutiny.

I guess he won't be talking to Ron at the Clerical Register any time soon.

What a waste of space....

I heard similar from several other talking dogs....

I also hear he is about to release a book about the scurrilous and corrupt goings on inside the Immigration Service. Should be a hoot.

Fast work too....unless...

I heard similar too, but regardless, the immigration service was a bit pants in the original circumstances.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
[i]Oh and his picture on the front of the star. Who the hell phones the star with the photo op "I'm signing on"?

No photos, but full story is here for those like myself that dont buy papers :P

http://www.thisissheffield.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=832217

He seems to revel in the bit of glory he has found for himself. To me he comes across as a pratt who is out of work because he couldn't keep his trap shut.

He is bound to fill any new employer with confidence when they ask him if he why he left his previous job.
Let him stew on the dole for a year or two so he can reflect on how easy asylum seekers have it in this wonderful country of ours.

Maybe you should put an end to his publicity by telling the Star about these talking dogs next time he plans a stunt.

Originally posted by robbie
I heard similar from several other talking dogs....

Hiya everyone, please explain what " talking dogs " are , my two dogs are clever , but wow!!!!
deecee

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
I heard (from a talking dog I met on fargate this afternoon) that steve moxon is a self seeking publicist, with a failed journalistic career behind him, who was hardly able to get the very junior level job he has just lost.

He ignited an argument to serve his own purposes, and got what he deserved - the sack. Oh and his picture on the front of the star. Who the hell phones the star with the photo op "I'm signing on"?

Try reading what he has written on various bbc websites and other news/political sites - this is a guy with a serious chip on his shoulder, whose motives should be held up to higher scrutiny.

I guess he won't be talking to Ron at the Clerical Register any time soon.

What a waste of space....

I agree (yep I do!) As an employer and employee all our contracts have confidentiality paragraphs in. Indeed, within our staff handbook we have a paragraph that specifically states the we should not talk to the press on work related matters without prior permission. I would be most surprised if the HM Government contracts do not have a similar paragraph.

I am sure we all have things happen to us as work that we do not agree with. Rightly or wrongly, they are the employers and you do what they say. And if you can't stand the heat ...... sign on. Oops he has done.

Every whistle blower gets the sack! Why do you think New Labour as brought out a whistle blowers act?

To expose themselves!

Ask Kinnock, He sacked a couple after exposing EU fraud

Is he likely to get appearance fees for appearing on Newsnight and the like? In which case, he has already breached the conditions of his signing on.

But he's used to breaching conditions ...

The ironic thing is that is the Immigration dept had taken the time to run thorough background checks on him he wouldn't have got in due to previous dodgy history....

Anyhow surely whatever he says to the papers breaches the official secrets act which he will have signed?

It's of course quite proper that the treachery displayed by Moxon should be punished. Civil servants and politicians should be allowed to keep their sleaze, malpractice and downright incompetence as a state secret. Otherwise we'd never get people to do such badly paid jobs. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Greybeard
It's of course quite proper that the treachery displayed by Moxon should be punished. Civil servants and politicians should be allowed to keep their sleaze, malpractice and downright incompetence as a state secret. Otherwise we'd never get people to do such badly paid jobs. :rolleyes:

But Mr Greybeard. If he had resigned his position, waited a few months and then come out with the I resigned on priciple lark to all and sundry, there would be a lot of sympathy for what he did. Instead, he chose to do that whilst still being employed and that is not right.

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Maybe you should put an end to his publicity by telling the Star about these talking dogs next time he plans a stunt.

Well the problem is, no-one believes you when you tell them what a talking dog told you. The people at the star didn't believe me, and in fact laughed me off the phone.

How do you distinguish between a blown whistle and a malicious accusation designed to further a deranged anti-immigrant agenda?

Well whistleblowers tend to be reluctant entrants to the limelight, whereas agenda motivated malicious accusers can't stay out of it.

Moxon clearly has his own agenda and I suspect that his politics are rather different to mine. However he did raise this matter through the proper channels and was ignored.
His going to the press was in the public interest in bringing to our notice yet another serious government deception (and subsequent lies) He has clearly been victimised much like NHS executives who won't "independently" sign up their Trust's for expensive private sector operations, weapons inspectors who tell us what the situation is in reality.
No doubt he is a self publicist with dodgy political views but he was right in his actions and should be protected by whistleblowers legislation. He's done the public a favour whatever his motives.

I have it on good authority that he didn't go through the proper channels. He, allegedly, went around complaining to everyone except his managers.

Plus, he has been an activist for a political party not in power (not yours roy).

Originally posted by MobileB
But Mr Greybeard. If he had resigned his position, waited a few months and then come out with the I resigned on priciple lark to all and sundry, there would be a lot of sympathy for what he did. Instead, he chose to do that whilst still being employed and that is not right.


But isn't it a little odd that Peter Kelly who was instrumental in exposing the government's thoroughly misleading spin on Iraq's WMD capability, whilst employed by the Ministry of Defence, attracted so much public sympathy ? Whatever Moxon's motives his action in exposing malpractice was justified on the grounds of public interest.

Originally posted by Ned Ludd
Moxon clearly has his own agenda and I suspect that his politics are rather different to mine. However he did raise this matter through the proper channels and was ignored.
His going to the press was in the public interest in bringing to our notice yet another serious government deception (and subsequent lies) He has clearly been victimised much like NHS executives who won't "independently" sign up their Trust's for expensive private sector operations, weapons inspectors who tell us what the situation is in reality.
No doubt he is a self publicist with dodgy political views but he was right in his actions and should be protected by whistleblowers legislation. He's done the public a favour whatever his motives.

Well, I have searched and searched, and beyond a storm in a teacup I cant find any specific "thing" that was the actual 'scandal'

AFAIK what he blew the whistle on was a pragmatic simplification of the change of status papers for A8 citizens already resident in this country. Basically, a 20 year backlog of cases needed to be cleared before may 2004, the date that the A8 nations joined the EEA and their citizens gained rights in this (and every other european country). Checks on applicants finances were abandoned because a) they were obsolete for the process, b) it would be irrelevant by may 2004. c)Immigrations services were under strict orders to have the backlog cleared by Enlargement Day (01.05.04).

But I could (am quite likely to) be wrong. Corrections and clarifications welcome.

I can't be bothered trawling through the history but Beverley Hughes in putting the best possible gloss on this admitted that Moxon was largely correct
http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,,1165104,00.html
Then there was the diplomat, Cameron who exposed the scale of fraudulent applications from Bulgaria which weren't being checked.
The whole system was a shambles .The government was either incompetent through not knowing or devious through turning a blind eye. The government are providing the extreme right with masses of recruitment propaganda.. let's not point the finger at Moxon.

I am sure Mr Moxon went through the proper channels - a large part of the scandle was that beverley Hughues office never replied to his emails questioning the policy, and as he was questioning the actions of his imediate bosses surely raising it higher up the ladder was the correct action

He was actually sacked for embarassing the ministers - when in an arrticle he described David blunket as an extremist for suggesting there should be no limit to immigration levels - a view that most people would describe as extrimist I'm sure!!

I bet he was well chuffed when News night showed his address on his sacking letter.

I certainly wouldn't want to be seen trying to exonerate Beverly Hughes - her arms length approach, and then failure to live up to her responsibilities meant she was made to live up to them by falling on her sword.

No-one comes out of this looking good, with the possible exception of the hardworking Sheffielders who cleared a gigantic backlog of cases going back to the 80s in time for the EU enlargement in May. Cases that had been languishing, ignored by civil servants, in a facility in Sussex.

To simply not understand why certain checks (on A8 nationals already here) were being quite openly missed out demands a degree of stupidity.

If anyone is serious about whistle blowing and not trumpet blowing, they should documented their concerns in a letter and send it registered post. Because that provides you with proof of delivery and you can even check the signature on the Royal Mail website.

Moxon is a self publicist. My information is that he was going to be given the push and he jumped and sang before that event. i have had dealings with him on the folk scene where he is universally loathed and indeed barred from a number of folk session pubs. He appeared in Sheffield from Leicester where he ran a folk magazine to the ground [edited] plus was suing a former employer for infair dismissal. The best thing to do is to ignore the ****.

What does one have to do to be barred from participating in folk sessions? I ask in a general way and from a theoretical standpoint.

Apart from singing his own crap songs he got involved in some argy bargy over the war in afghanistan/iraq and said what his view was the landlady of the particular pub barred him he then appeared a couple of days later picketing the pub with leaflets so she gave him a clip round the ear he went off to complain to the polica at West bar whereupon the desk sergeant laughed at him and said he deserved it (he knew said landlady)

that wouldn't have been the dog and partridge would it

This thread's becoming far more interesting now. What a fraught world is the World of Folk!

I have to agree. Since I've started visiting regularly my knowledge based has increased so much. I've learnt all about the politics of folk singing, that calor gas was used in the American Civil War and much more ..... :-)

How anyone can feel any sympathy for him I don't know...He breached his contract and didn't go through the correct proceedures (or so talking dogs tell me)

I never saw him in the D & P...lucky for him:cool:

Got a mate who works at the Home Office in Moorfoot he reckons its a complete shambles and could blow a few whistles himself!! Think that Moxan is a bit of a pillock though!!!!

I think it may have been good entertainment at the D & P!

No it wasn't the Dog & P it was actually the Red House on Solly Street.

Oh, he offended Linda did he?

Yeah he offended Linda big style. As I understand it he 'picketed' the pub and was handing out leaflets so she sorted him out

Silly man. Taking on Blunkett is one thing, Linda is quite another.

Well done to Steve Moxon for what he has done.It just show what this goverment are capeable of.The man should be given a medal.

Well we all know why Steve got the sack, But, Who instigated the sacking....Blunkett of course. I have known this man for years. He used to be a reasonable man, But, Like many others power has gone to his head. This man has caused a lot of grief not only to us, But also to the Asylum Seekers themselves. He has even got youngsters thinking that dope is legal, So now we have young dope dealers on every street, And youngsters smoking dope mixed with toxicants....I could go on and on, But, I think we all agree that things are getting worse not better, That we are warned not to speak out. What has happened to our so called Democracy. Remember the damage he did when he was on the Sheffield Council ? ?

MOD EDIT: Removed email address

Originally posted by RODGERS
Well we all know why Steve got the sack,

Yup, having read this thread it's because he broke the rules inherent in his contract. If you read the rest of this thread you'll see that his whistle blowing was just wind - see phan's impressive explanation.

And I've just seen him handing out flyers for his new book (I think) outside WH Smiths on Fargate. He was on his mobile, no doubt to the Star trying to get some more publicity.

At a previous pub we had he turned up for our open mic sessions and got up and did a few tunes. He then went around all the customers and told them all about an open mic session he was running somewhere else and tried to poach them all. He then put leaflets in everyone's hands.

A couple of customers went to his open mic session and reported back that it was run in a very miliary way, in other words, obey and be told what to do and when. Sit still and keep quiet at other times. Word spread and nobody went again. Steve never returned to our pub.

The more you hear about Moxon you more you just want hit him. My Auntie had the unfortunate pleasure oif working with him in leicester and explained what a nasty peice of work he was, and the trouble he caused in the music scene over there. I then met him at a friends gig in sheffield, where he showed his anti-women stance by saying the only reason anyone came to see them was cause they looked pretty not becasue they were better musicians (while my female house mate was onstage). Have herad numerous reports of his activity on the folk scene, through which he is disliked by all, mostly for his racist and sexist tendencies. Then ended up working for the home office as well where I learned of more of his nastiness, apparently caused a right fuss, because all three people interviewing him for a position were female, was about to be sacked for numerous reasons till this came up. And as anyone who works for the home office will know the "scandal" he revealed was of no significance it was only because the tabloids picked up on it that anyone in power paid any atention (can't go into full details for obvious reasons). He did go to the liberal democrats first, they told him to get lost and only the tories where dumb enough to pick it up. Now if people where to expose the real scandals that happen in the home office that would be another story...........................
Just not this sexist, racist, self publicising !*%$
Sorry, rant over now.

I see he was in Fargate yesterday giving flyers out for the book he has written.

Correct me if I am wrong,but if he's on the dole surely he can't sign on and do work as well. Does anyone who reads the Forum work at the DSS, or talk to any of the "cough"talking dogs down there.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1298229,00.html

Well that's no surprise is it ! Moxon is well balanced...a chip on both shoulders, and a Tory minister who backs out of something at the last minute.

One of the problems with this steve guy is that he gives whistleblowers with REAL principles a bad name. Take it from me that whistleblowing can work, can achieve results and confidentiality is protected. (I wasn't a whistleblower but have worked with some of the information they have shared).

Whether in the civil service or other areas I just hope that this case doesn't put other people/whistleblowers off coming forward.
And anyway, ethics aside (or whatevever), what else would the entertaining read of 'Private Eye' have to write about.

Have contacted Steve (well his agent/publisher contacted me first) and invited him to join in this discussion. :)

Edit: Just noticed that the Google ads (on left) are providing links to "Whistleblower Lawyers" ... :D

This should be interesting then Geoff. At least it will give him the chance to put his side of the story, although I will be very surprised if it's little more than another "how bad done to am I" rant. Oh well, with what's allegedly in his book he will get some support from the BNP forum members.

Let me say that I will be going out to buy his book and then I will judge if he has a good case or not.
I dont want to go into the personality of the man as I dont know him but what he did still strikes me as an honourable thing to have done.

oh and just let me say I hope steve comes on the forum .

Originally posted by max
Yup, having read this thread it's because he broke the rules inherent in his contract. If you read the rest of this thread you'll see that his whistle blowing was just wind - see phan's impressive explanation.



Ha Ha Ha.......Just wind?
What a statement!

Whether or not this chap spewed the beans against his contract of employment is irrellevant.

What he has done is stood up for the local people by putting the truth before his career.

The government has not only lost the plot locally but also nationally.

The truth about these cover ups need to be in the public domain to show us how we are being treated by the government of the day.
I take my hat off to anyone that is strong enough to tell the truth, no matter what the consequences may be.

Hi Derek, I suggest you read the rest of this thread but if you can't be bothered at least have a look at phan's. Moxon is a self-serving racist who used to be a lib-dem activist so his intent in exposing "revelations" is dubious.

To simplify, what he did was expose a system which after May 1st would have been abolished anyway. Those applications which were being fast-tracked would have been binned by now if the backlog hadn't been cleared. It was an exercise in bureaucratic expediency.

Originally posted by owdlad
I see he was in Fargate yesterday giving flyers out for the book he has written.

Correct me if I am wrong,but if he's on the dole surely he can't sign on and do work as well. Does anyone who reads the Forum work at the DSS, or talk to any of the "cough"talking dogs down there.

I think Viz tired to get J.K. Rowling in trouble for a similar offence.



Is their a website with more detailed extracts from his book?

Originally posted by max
Hi Derek, I suggest you read the rest of this thread but if you can't be bothered at least have a look at phan's. Moxon is a self-serving racist who used to be a lib-dem activist so his intent in exposing "revelations" is dubious.

To simplify, what he did was expose a system which after May 1st would have been abolished anyway. Those applications which were being fast-tracked would have been binned by now if the backlog hadn't been cleared. It was an exercise in bureaucratic expediency.

Hi Max...I did read all the posts........My opinion here though is not whether he is a racist etc' but to the actual statements that he has made regarding the way that applications were fast tracked.

This has not only happened in Sheffield and we are surely not naive to think otherwise.

I know that after the 1st of May that everything was to be legal and above board but his revelations were that before this date, things weren't as they were supposed to be.

His comments were true! If this were not so.... Then can you honestly state this as fact?

A lot goes on in the different departments that in all honesty need this kind of publicity to not undermine but to show just what lengths the party in power can do behind the publics backs.

I for one see that even the death of a WMD scientist was caused directly by telling the truth!.............So who is next on the list to die for whistle blowing?

Remember the little person from Penistone Grammar School many years ago - thought you might like a laugh at his self description (deception?) on Friends Reunited website.


Current: writer, journalist, researcher in evolutionary psychology;
songwriter /singer/guitarist
Rece ntly returned to Broomhill, Sheffield, after living in Leicester

anybody that knows anything about what moxon actually revealed knows it was a storm in a teacup. The other whistle blowers I have a lot of respect for, but moxon is not one of them.

Has anyone read this book yet.If you have what do you think of it.Where can i get a copy from.

Where is Moxon ? is he coming to debate or has someone blown the whistle on him..lol. Perhaps he's joined this lot.

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=article&ae=windows-1252&f=uk_-_olgbtopnews&t=11881&id=176769&d=20040915&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&lc=en

Originally posted by owdlad
Where is Moxon ? is he coming to debate or has someone blown the whistle on him..lol. Perhaps he's joined this lot.

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.aspx?as=article&ae=windows-1252&f=uk_-_olgbtopnews&t=11881&id=176769&d=20040915&do=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk&i=http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/mediaexportlive&ks=0&mc=5&lc=en

I sincerely hope that Katharine Gun will have nothing to do with Moxon. She blew the whistle on US security agencies encouraging the bugging of UN offices of wavering nations in the attempts to strongarm the UN SC into endorsing a war on Iraq.

That is entirely a different magnitude of malfeasance to 'exposing' the circumvention of a redundant credit check on current UK residents in order to satisfy the clearance of thousands of backlogged cases before these cases themselves became obsolete.

Don't know the guy much but see him as pratt and real loser in the music sense. He's the reason I stopped going to open mics...his songs drool on for damn 15 mins for one song. Bored the hell out of me.

Great at plucking an acoustic guitar but man, loser at singing or making a song with feeling, passion. And really gets upset if people talk while he's playing and singing. I don't blame people talking, he's just boring.

I still have the side effects and its been a year since I saw him play on stage at the golden ball. I use to step out when he was on stage to have a cig and come in after 20 mins and he's still playing, on secind damn song, when he knows there's a lot of artists wanting to get on stage. :loopy:

Originally posted by owdlad
I see he was in Fargate yesterday giving flyers out for the book he has written.

Correct me if I am wrong,but if he's on the dole surely he can't sign on and do work as well. Does anyone who reads the Forum work at the DSS, or talk to any of the "cough"talking dogs down there.

Please don't think I'm being padantic but the DSS hasn't existed for a while now........it's now DWP - Department for Work and Pensions. And it doesn't have to be a staff member of DWP that can 'dob him in'.....anyone can do it through the Targeting Benefit Fraud campaign - http://www.targetingbenefitfraud.gov.uk/report.html or 0800 854440.

:OP

Here is message Steve has asked me to pass on:

I'd be happy to exchange messages on the forum. The reason I haven't thus far: (a) I can never remember my chosen Forum password/username combination! (b) I have access to the net in Sheffield libraries only, and I hardly have the time to deal with important correspondence in the slots they allow you. I'll be getting the net back at home soon.

Most questions can be answered simply by reading the book. Well I would say that, wouldn't I. It would be nice if journalists who ask me questions could also read the book. -- and then drop silly prejudices that anyone who merely raises the issue of immigration must somehow be about inciting inter-ethnic strife. The book does, of course, nothing of the kind -- as Channel 4 News commendably reported.

Re whoever it was who cast doubt on my current status: I have signed on but I declare any and every payment I receive for any work. In any case when the Home Office get round to replying to the Decision Unit about why they sacked me, then I will be off JSA through dismissal for 'gross misconduct'. The Home Office have to give them reasons though, which might be useful to me.

To repeat yet again: I am not seeking reinstatment and I'm not seeking compensation. I want the Home Office to admit that I was covered by the Public Interest Disclosure Act.

People still seem to have little idea of the scale of the problem across the board in immigration, let alone the lack of any case for a policy of mass immigration. Again: read my book.

Steve Moxon

I will fix his username so he can reply himself to any further replies/questions

Cool, now I can ask him why he writes songs that are too long and all yah can ask him the questions about what he is doing. When he;s sorted with his username that is.

People still seem to have little idea of the scale of the problem across the board in immigration, let alone the lack of any case for a policy of mass immigration. Again: read my book.

Steve Moxon[/i]

Thanks Steve, but I won't be reading your book unless you are giving out free copies :)

Maybe you could share your wisdom and put the book online, as you seem to be devoid of any profit motive, thankfully, and just have the interests of this great country of yours at heart.

Good to see that your tongue is firmly in your cheek Phan.

One thing does strike me though, if he doesn;t remember his user name how come he knows that someone "cast doubt on his present status" oh well another mystery.

Originally posted by owdlad
One thing does strike me though, if he doesn;t remember his user name how come he knows that someone "cast doubt on his present status" oh well another mystery.

You don't need to sign in with a user name to read other people's posts on the forum.

Originally posted by Patchy
You don't need to sign in with a user name to read other people's posts on the forum.

I blame it on my age....... Thanks Patchy.