Was in the vicinity Sunday morning and there is only the Sportsman pub left standing.

Student flats or 'village'. Remember reading about it yonks ago. There are similar plans for student flats on the old TC Harrison site on London Road I believe.

Thanks for the info. Any idea when the completion date is? Looks a long way off judging by what I saw on Sunday.

In case anyone was wondering what is going on down London Road/Bramall Lane - all the demolition work that is....It's going to be a student village for 1300 students, which is good news for all the shopkeepers, pubs and restaurants down there.

However, not good news for my mum who lives around there as no doubt they'll be no space left to park her car!

Threads merged.

Thanks for the data Blackcherry. When is the expected completetion date?

No place to park,how can students afford cars.I though they where all poor.

I attended a planning committee meeting about the flats on the TC harrison site.

the plans are to build an ~868 bedded complex for students/ city living...

and guess how many car parking spaces the planners have factored in?

200?
no, guess again

400? no, you have gone too far the other way...

erm, 100, then?

nope (Buzzer) sorry; you lose!

there are planed for this ~870 bed complex....

wait for it...

tah-dahhhh!

FORTY EIGHT spaces.

that's 48, not "480"

in an area that is already snided with cars, and congested to *****......It is unbelieveably stupid planning.

The planners' argument is "well; it's right at the bottom of The Moor, more or less, so it's within walking distance of town! the residents aren't going to 'Need' a car!"

(PT Begins banging her head against the proverbial brick wall, slowly......)

you imbecile planners

do you honestly think that this'll encourage the residents to forgo their cars?

like, erm, (Laughs hollowly) yeah, right!!!!

the students and others who live in Crookes, an area that allegedly has the best and most frequent bus service in sheffield, (The number 52, - you can walk from Crookes to Handsworth, virtually, just by stepping from bus to bus, and never break your stride) do you see them eschewing their cars for public transport or Shanks' pony?

no, they still insist on using their cars, adding to the already dire congestion problems..

all this complex (/these complexes) planned for the denby street/ london road area will do, is cause further problems, in an area that is damn-well close to gridlock already... what with the commuters, who park on these narrow old side streets all day, preventing the actual residents from bein able to park outside their own properties.

where I live near Psalter Lane, the area is plagued by these sorts of driver. they work in the big office complexes off cemetery road around the business park area.

there is ample on-site parking, in the office complexes, but they'd rather block the side streets of pearl street, MAckenzie Street and the Langdon and Fentonville street areas. where they park across disabled accesses, and illegally, obstructing on blind corners, (and considering that there are a number of schools nearby it's downright foolhardy to do so!)

I have tried reporting this to the police, but they are not interested.

I am at a loss as to what I can do. (short of a 28lb lump-hammer to their headlights... which owuld provide me with greeat satisfactoion, and also probably a criminal -damage record!)

PT

Theres a similar application in for a site in Blackpool, that I was involved in in the early pre-application stages. 200 student beds but only 29 parking spaces. Similar arguments used in that its close to the town centre so there would be a reduced need for cars.

The developers insist bthat this is OK because the contracts signed by the students will stipulate that they do not own a car. Utterly unenforceable.

But I can see the flip side. There is a need to reduce dependency on cars, and to do this there is a requirement to place residential accommodation close to good local amenities and shops.

In the case of the London Rd flats I think a significantly reduced number of parking spaces can be justified due to its proximity to the City Centre, the Safeway supermarket (is it still safeway?) and other convenience shops and its location on one of the main bus corridors within the city. If a reduced number of parking spaces cannot be implemented here, then where the hell could it?!

Interestingly both Universities have actively refused to support the London Rd scheme.

Suspect that both universities have commitments to other accommodation providers and couldn't support the London Rd development as well.
Sheffield University of course is in serious talks about the proposed Student Village scheme at Broomhill.And a press briefing is expected any day now.

It's about time planners come to terms with the fact that people want to use there cars not public transport. I sympathize with the above post regarding cars blocking access and irresponsible parking but this just proves that something should be done to accommodate the growing amount of cars.

I cannot see the attraction of these new developements. Why would anybody pay a small fortune to live at the side of one of the busiest roads in Sheffield

regardless of where it is, 48 car spaces for 868 beds is ridiculous! it's hard enough finding somewhere to park down here each day already without a potential few hundred extra cars on the roads! There's already ludicrous double-yellows on non-residential cul-de-sacs (Harrow Street) for no reason whatsoever.

Why don't they build an underground car park?

Originally posted by chri5
It's about time planners come to terms with the fact that people want to use there cars not public transport. I sympathize with the above post regarding cars blocking access and irresponsible parking but this just proves that something should be done to accommodate the growing amount of cars.

Yes, something does need to be done, to STOP the amount of growing cars. I think that city centres (Sheffield) should take a leaf out of others cities round the world. Paris for example, depending on what your number plate is, decides which days you are allowed to drive through the city. You HAVE to use public transport on the other days. Also they have benefits with their jobs where the employer has to pay towards your metro card, making it really cheap to travel.
We need things enforcing in this country/city. Less cars is a must, make people pay congestion charges, make people not be able to park. They'll have to use park and ride, they'll have to use public transport, there will be no choice. Lower the cost of public transport and this could be subsidised by your employer. You see, people have to get out of the way of thinking of having to use a car. You don't have to use a car at all, not for most jobs. People would soon get used to it. Look at London, not many people drive there, now the congestion charges are enforced, they all use public transport. It's quite normal not to have a parking space, it's quite normal to pay through the roof for one if you want one. Stop moaning about it.
I'm all for encouraging and improving public transport and making it difficult to drive through the city centre in a car.

well said Foxxx. But you can see the next line of pro-car argument will be along the lines of 'how can we not use our car when public transport is so poor?'

I've never learnt to drive, and have successfully managed to live my life for 26 years without the need to learn. Alright, so i've cadged a few lifts of mates down the years, but at least i shared a car rather than introduce a new one to the roads.

Dependency on cars must be tackled and reduced, its as simple as that.

Umm...and I think this thread is heading rapidly away from its original subject. Apologies!

To try and bring it back on track i'll just reiterate that i think that the complex in question is in the right location to justify minimal car parking provision.

Spot on, I'm 34 and I have never wanted to drive.
I'm sick of hearing people moaning about traffic jams and how bad the traffic is. It's the car drivers causing the hold ups most of the time.
Nearly all the roads in this city were built when there were very few cars around. The house I live in was built before the car was invented. The roads around here were designed for a horse and cart.
A vast majority of car journeys are for less than a mile. Get out and walk. It might do you some good.
Rush hour is the biggest joke. Why don't companys start looking at doing 10-6 and 8-4. Ok the rush hour will be longer but it won't be as intense.
With the onset of computers over the last few years and this interweb thingy why don't companys start looking at home working.
I work from home and it's the best thing I've ever done in my life. Communication is so easy in this day and age why don't companys start taking proper advantage of it. They did with mobile phones.
I saw 2 car crash's yesterday, one on Queens Road and the other on Hanover Way.

Originally posted by carcrash
I cannot see the attraction of these new developements. Why would anybody pay a small fortune to live at the side of one of the busiest roads in Sheffield

Thank goodness we don't all like the same things then eh?

Originally posted by alchresearch
Why don't they build an underground car park?

Sheer cost. The value is far less than the cost of construction. In Sheffield, car parks tend to be built for reasons of viability and sustainability of the whole scheme rather than providing somewhere to park the car or because there is profit in it.

Oh, do you live in one of the new developments?

Nope, but I have a professional intertest.

Developer: I'd like to build 200 apartments please and sell them for £150,000 each.
Planning officer: You'll have to supply car parking spaces for all of them.
Developer: Then I'd only be able to build 150 apartments.
Planning officer: That's right, but you can charge more for them.
Developer: I'll only get an extra £20,000 for each if I include a car parking space. I'll lose £4.5m. (picks up 'phone) Hello, get me Manchester Planning Department.

I think the sums are right.

Not far off Max.

The Planning Dpt though have come around to the idea that car free developments can work since the first one (a small student accommodation scheme) was done on Gell St / Convent Walk a few years ago as a test.

All in all, we are gradually weaning people off cars by putting them in the middle of the city, but we should still realise that many people need a car for a variety of reasons.

The current split is about 50% - 70% of units that have car spaces with 2 bed units taking priority. Small first time buyer apartments (very popular at the moment) are generally car free.

All in all, it will never be perfect, but I'm persoinally encouraged that people are learning to live without 4 wheels.

Bicycles are always going to be a bit of a problem for a lot of people in Sheffield because of the hills, but look out for things like car pools and scooter parks in forthcoming apartment schemes and also, concierge facilites with cold stores to take food deliveries while people are out.

However, to sum up, yes you are right, a light touch is essential with planning because developers will simply work elsewhere where life is less stressful. Sheffield is not special and needs to have that 'light touch' so as not to discourage developers, who at the end of the day put together multi multi million pound deals so that people have places to live, work and play.

Things are getting better, but we still have a way to go. :thumbsup: Remember... a light touch with a 'yes can do' attitude.

hey peeps - i'm actually working on the construction site on London road/ Denby Street.

There is actually an underground car park on site, but because the client is building student accomodation then the council planners don't allow parking spaces on the development - the few spaces that are planned will be for the small office and retail spaces within the development.

Completion date is august 2005 - so i'm sorry to say that we builders might be causing a little chaos around the area but no matter what people say we always try to keep it to a minimum.

plus i'm stuck in sheffield not knowing anyone untilll we've finished the project!!