View Full Version : Does the punishment fit the crime?


Lickszz
02-08-2004, 02:42
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1038938.html?menu=news.quirkies

According to the article there is going to be an appeal. It certainly does seem there is no beating around the bush with regards to punishment in Turkey.

mojoworking
02-08-2004, 07:31
Originally posted by Lickszz
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1038938.html?menu=news.quirkies

According to the article there is going to be an appeal. It certainly does seem there is no beating around the bush with regards to punishment in Turkey.

Look on the bright side, Turkey is possibly the most Westernised of all the Muslim countries. Imagine the punishment if the crime had been committed in one of the hard line Muslim countries. :)

Abdul
02-08-2004, 07:50
Originally posted by mojoworking
Look on the bright side, Turkey is possibly the most Westernised of all the Muslim countries. Imagine the punishment if the crime had been committed in one of the hard line Muslim countries. :)

Now mojo, I know you can't resist making a dig at Islam at every available opportunity, but I'd be more concerned as to what would happen to the kids in Texas.

CLUNK

BZZZZT

SIZZLE

They are children, after all

mojoworking
02-08-2004, 07:57
Originally posted by Abdul
Now mojo, I know you can't resist making a dig at Islam at every available opportunity, but I'd be more concerned as to what would happen to the kids in Texas.

CLUNK

BZZZZT

SIZZLE

They are children, after all

Wrong again Abdul. You seem to be confusing the theft of 37p with first degree murder.

An easy mistake to make, I know.

Abdul
02-08-2004, 08:07
Originally posted by mojoworking
Wrong again Abdul. You seem to be confusing the theft of 37p with first degree murder.

An easy mistake to make, I know.

You're quite correct mojo - you made the same mistake too :)

mojoworking
02-08-2004, 08:52
Originally posted by Abdul
You're quite correct mojo - you made the same mistake too :)

I think not. Are you saying that the fact that this incident took place in a Muslim country had no bearing on the punishment?

Abdul
02-08-2004, 11:44
Originally posted by mojoworking
I think not. Are you saying that the fact that this incident took place in a Muslim country had no bearing on the punishment?

If you could explain exactly what defines a 'Muslim' country, and how you would the measure level of 'Westernification' of one, I could have an answer.

Cyclone
02-08-2004, 17:58
Originally posted by Abdul
If you could explain exactly what defines a 'Muslim' country, and how you would the measure level of 'Westernification' of one, I could have an answer.

Are you really trying to argue that in any Western country children would have even been prosecuted for the theft of small change? Nevermind sentenced to an extremely long time in jail?

If you are you may as well give up, because anyone can see that you are wrong.

max
02-08-2004, 18:09
Originally posted by Cyclone
Are you really trying to argue that in any Western country children would have even been prosecuted for the theft of small change? Nevermind sentenced to an extremely long time in jail?

If you are you may as well give up, because anyone can see that you are wrong.

In California they have a 3 strikes and you're out policy and there are people serving 25 years for such crimes as stealing a slice of pizza or 4 cookies so, yes, there is at last one country where misdemeanours can lead to extensive prison sentences.

Human rights (US Style) (http://www.dennismac.co.uk/comm5/page15.html)

A.B.Yaffle
02-08-2004, 20:23
Originally posted by Cyclone
Are you really trying to argue that in any Western country children would have even been prosecuted for the theft of small change? Nevermind sentenced to an extremely long time in jail?

If you are you may as well give up, because anyone can see that you are wrong.

If you read the original article, you will see that a knife was involved in the robbery. That makes it a lot more serious than merely taking a few pence, and the amount taken is insignificant as it could presumably have ended in someone getting killed if they hadn't handed the cash over.

mojoworking
02-08-2004, 23:26
Originally posted by Abdul
If you could explain exactly what defines a 'Muslim' country, and how you would the measure level of 'Westernification' of one, I could have an answer.

Why do you need me to explain something as blindingly obvious as that - are you looking for somewhere to go on your holidays?

mojoworking
02-08-2004, 23:30
Originally posted by Patchy
If you read the original article, you will see that a knife was involved in the robbery. That makes it a lot more serious than merely taking a few pence, and the amount taken is insignificant as it could presumably have ended in someone getting killed if they hadn't handed the cash over.

Yes, and in our wonderfully tolerant Westernised country what do you think the punishment would have been for children of that age - knife or no knife? A caution, if anything at all, is my guess.

Abdul
03-08-2004, 06:00
Originally posted by mojoworking
Why do you need me to explain something as blindingly obvious as that - are you looking for somewhere to go on your holidays?

Don't avoid the question mojo - how do you define a 'Muslim' country?

mojoworking
03-08-2004, 07:52
Originally posted by Abdul
Don't avoid the question mojo - how do you define a 'Muslim' country?

Exactly the same way as I'd define a Catholic country, or a Hindu country, or, more generally, a Christian country.

What did want me to say, something you could get self-righteous about: eg that I'd follow the trail of sheep's eyes and the amputated limbs of adulterers?

You know I wouldn't say anything like that :)

Abdul
03-08-2004, 08:02
Please answer...

mojoworking
03-08-2004, 08:15
Originally posted by Abdul
Please answer...

Can I phone a friend?

Abdul
03-08-2004, 08:19
Why? Don't you know the answer?

mojoworking
03-08-2004, 08:28
Originally posted by Abdul
Why? Don't you know the answer?

Yes, of course. I'm just doing it to p**** you off. ;)

Abdul
03-08-2004, 08:33
Nice of you to admit it.

A Muslim state is one that adheres to Muslim laws.

And a Muslim court wouldn't pass such a sentence on children (think back to your first post on this thread).

There we are. That point all cleared up, and I didn't even have to resort to patronising insults.

Pay heed mojo, and you may learn something.

mojoworking
03-08-2004, 08:42
Originally posted by Abdul
Nice of you to admit it.

A Muslim state is one that adheres to Muslim laws.

And a Muslim court wouldn't pass such a sentence on children (think back to your first post on this thread).

There we are. That point all cleared up, and I didn't even have to resort to patronising insults.

Pay heed mojo, and you may learn something.

No, you misunderstand me sir. When I wrote "Yes, of course", that meant Yes, of course I do (know the answer that is).

Do try and pay attention.

Tony
03-08-2004, 09:05
Mod: Closing this drivel until there's time to edit it out.