I was checking out the ticket situation for saturdays game against Middlesborough and see that Sheffield United are having a "Think Pink" ladies day to raise money for breast cancer research.

This is all fine and dandy but they are letting women into the match for £15 whereas men still have to pay full price! I didn't think that sort of thing was allowed anymore under the sex discrimination act?

But men don't have Breasts !!! :suspect:
Well most don't LOL :hihi:

I'm sure if they did the same every week then the act would cover it, but I'm not sure how they stand with them only doing it for one charity event every year.

On the basis that they're donating the proceeds from the sales of the promotional tickets to women (which is what I think they did last year) I can't imagine that anyone would push anything through the courts for this one event (but I agree that it's rather unfair to the men that they still have to pay full ticket price).

How many female players are there in the league... or managers, or coaches, or referees... I wonder if that's covered? :confused:

I think it sounds like a good idea... although, actually, I have breasts, maybe I should try and get a ticket! :D

How many female players are there in the league... or managers, or coaches, or referees... I wonder if that's covered? :confused:


Nope; sports are exempted (along with things like acting, modelling...)

How long they'll stay exempted, I'm not sure: someone somewhere is going to realise that the Human Rights Act means that no exemptions should be allowed, for anything, ever. In theory, you could sue for discrimination if you apply for an acting part as a nymphomaniac woman and they refuse to cast you because you're a guy.

To a point, I think they are being a little naive, because men do get breast cancer (it's true), although pretty rare.

But they couldn't let everyone in for that amount of money, so it's either don't raise anything, or have one day out of the whole year where they can do something to help others.

I think you're being a little sensitive my dear.......still, I'm sure that if you stuffed a bra and got all dolled up like a woman to make a point, they'd let you in!:hihi:

Nightclub and night that do this sort of thing do my head in

Spa1882 run 4 women only days a week, every week. Is that discrimination?

I was checking out the ticket situation for saturdays game against Middlesborough and see that Sheffield United are having a "Think Pink"
I wonder why Pink?
Is that not the same colour as those animals with trotters? :hihi:

United have always thought Pink, it's in their blood.

PS Dont forget boxing day 1979 . :thumbsup:

But men don't have Breasts !!! :suspect:
Well most don't LOL :hihi:

Maybe not (in the strictest sense of the word).

However, men can (and do) get breast cancer.



Maybe they (SUFC) are going to reciprocate in a few weeks/months with a tesicular cancer day - where the men get in cheaper?

Maybe not:rolleyes:. I think it's to try and get more women invloved in what is (predominantly) a male oriented "sport".

I think you're being a little sensitive my dear.......still, I'm sure that if you stuffed a bra and got all dolled up like a woman to make a point, they'd let you in!:hihi:
I'm not being sensitive... I'm being tight!

Prostate cancer kills almost as many men each year as breast cancer kills women. Despite this about 10 times as much funding in put into researching breast cancer as prostate cancer. This doesn't really seem fair but it's their money so they can give it to whoever they want. However, to further penalise me for being male, by making me pay more than a woman, seems like an injustice too far!

I'm going to try and buy a £15 ticket on the way home and see what they say.

They ran this promotion for the Wolves game last season (which was around the same time of year). I think there's some kind of law that makes charities exempt from sex discrimination in this type of situation.
Plus, it's for a charitable cause - aren't you being a bit of a tw@t by kicking up such a fuss Zamo?

They ran this promotion for the Wolves game last season (which was around the same time of year). I think there's some kind of law that makes charities exempt from sex discrimination in this type of situation.
Plus, it's for a charitable cause - aren't you being a bit of a tw@t by kicking up such a fuss Zamo?
Firstly, SUFC isn't a charity and it is them, not cancer reasearch UK, selling the tickets.

Secondly, if I buy a normal full price ticket then none of the proceeds goes to the charity but if I buy a £15 ticket then £3 goes to the charity. So, seeing as this is for a charitable cause, I am far less of a tw@t than those buying full price tickets. Which ticket will you be buying?

Why doesn't everyone just pay full price and raise more money? Or will the ground be half empty otherwise?

Why doesn't everyone just pay full price and raise more money? Or will the ground be half empty otherwise?

there wanting to get a full house on saturday!! 30k+

Firstly, SUFC isn't a charity and it is them, not cancer reasearch UK, selling the tickets.

Secondly, if I buy a normal full price ticket then none of the proceeds goes to the charity but if I buy a £15 ticket then £3 goes to the charity. So, seeing as this is for a charitable cause, I am far less of a tw@t than those buying full price tickets. Which ticket will you be buying?

the cheaper tickets are for women only!!!

as it's for a good cause sufc seem to think thousands of women will come to boost the attendance? (watch this space)

Firstly, SUFC isn't a charity and it is them, not cancer reasearch UK, selling the tickets.

Secondly, if I buy a normal full price ticket then none of the proceeds goes to the charity but if I buy a £15 ticket then £3 goes to the charity. So, seeing as this is for a charitable cause, I am far less of a tw@t than those buying full price tickets.

I meant to say a charitable cause, not that SUFC were a charity (tap-in for someone there!)

I don't see your problem - they're raising money for charity, and trying to attract a fanbase that wouldn't normally come along. I just think you're being tight quibbling about it.

Which ticket will you be buying?

Got a season ticket fella :thumbsup:

It's just the same as when clubs charge less for women to come in than men.

This is just a one off from the blades, and it is to entice women to football, because although it has grown with the fairer sex in the last few years, it is still only about 15% of the support that are female.

It is also for a good cause in Breast Cancer

I don't see your problem - they're raising money for charity, and trying to attract a fanbase that wouldn't normally come along. I just think you're being tight quibbling about it.

Got a season ticket fella :thumbsup
Would you be happy for United to charge women less for their season tickets on the basis they want to attract a fanbase that doesn't normally come along?

If United had decided to attract more women to the match by saying it would donate £10 to Breast Cancer Research for every women that attended (and the women pay the same as the men) then that would have been OK. However, a policy of "if you've t*ts and a f*nny we'll give £3 to charity and let you in cheaper" is illegal.

I'm off to the Lane now for an argument! :thumbsup:

I'm off to the Lane now for an argument! :thumbsup:

Get there sharpish, and you might get a game.:thumbsup:

Get there sharpish, and you might get a game.:thumbsup:
Box office now open til 8pm on Thrusdays and Fridays when there's a Saturday game. :thumbsup: At least that one thing they've got right!

If United had decided to attract more women to the match by saying it would donate £10 to Breast Cancer Research for every women that attended (and the women pay the same as the men) then that would have been OK. However, a policy of "if you've t*ts and a f*nny we'll give £3 to charity and let you in cheaper" is illegal.


Er no. It probably SHOULD be illegal, but as they're raising money for charity they can get away with it.

Er no. It probably SHOULD be illegal, but as they're raising money for charity they can get away with it.
Er no!

It is fine to encourage women to attend by donating money to a female charity and it is fine to base the amount given on the number of women that attend. However, they cannot then add the additional incentive of a reduced price for entry that is based upon the genatalia of the person buying the ticket. That is sex discrimination because one sex is treated less favourably than the other.

Why not charge women the same as the men, keep £12 for themselves and give all the rest to the charity? It might not have attracted as many women to the game but it would certainly have raised more money for the charity.

I wonder why Pink?
Is that not the same colour as those animals with trotters? :hihi:

United have always thought Pink, it's in their blood.

PS Dont forget boxing day 1979 . :thumbsup:


You can tell when there is no football to talk about; the old chestnut, our crowds are bigger than yours will be coming out next, oops forgot we don’t here crowd numbers mentioned any more.

:thumbsup:

Er no!

It is fine to encourage women to attend by donating money to a female charity and it is fine to base the amount given on the number of women that attend. However, they cannot then add the additional incentive of a reduced price for entry that is based upon the genatalia of the person buying the ticket. That is sex discrimination because one sex is treated less favourably than the other.


They can, because they are doing, it's widely known across a city of 700,000 people, and they haven't been stopped yet.

They can, because they are doing, it's widely known across a city of 700,000 people, and they haven't been stopped yet.
OK, they are doing it but it is still illegal!

Would it be OK for them to allow black or asian people cheaper tickets because they are under represented? What about gays too... although maybe it's hetro's that are under represented at the Lane?!? :suspect: :hihi:

Why is it because it is men getting discriminated against that it is OK? :huh:

By the way, I got the ticket for £15. Disapointed that I didn't get an argument. He asked what name to put it in, I said mine and he said OK! Perhaps he thought I had a nice pair!?!? :gag:

If you don't like it pi** off to Meadowhall or take it out on your wife.

Neil Warnock.

If you don't like it pi** off to Meadowhall or take it out on your wife.

Neil Warnock.
:hihi: Whatever you say Colin!

Er no!

It is fine to encourage women to attend by donating money to a female charity and it is fine to base the amount given on the number of women that attend. However, they cannot then add the additional incentive of a reduced price for entry that is based upon the genatalia of the person buying the ticket. That is sex discrimination because one sex is treated less favourably than the other.

Why not charge women the same as the men, keep £12 for themselves and give all the rest to the charity? It might not have attracted as many women to the game but it would certainly have raised more money for the charity.

so it's also not okay to offer discounted tickets for oap's, that would be age discrimination, someone should tell the council as most facilities offer reduced price tickets for children and the elderly.
And what about student discrimination, i'd like cheap cinema tickets just like them.

so it's also not okay to offer discounted tickets for oap's, that would be age discrimination, someone should tell the council as most facilities offer reduced price tickets for children and the elderly.
And what about student discrimination, i'd like cheap cinema tickets just like them.
The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 (SDA) applies to both men and women and makes sex discrimination unlawful in employment and vocational training, education, the provision and sale of goods, facilities and services and premises.

The difference with the Age Discrimination Act is that it doesn't apply to the provision and sale of goods, facilities and services and premises.

Under the terms of the Age Discrimination Act it is legal to offer consessionary prices for OAP's, children and students. Under the SDA it is illegal to offer consessionary prices based on someones sex.

Why are you and others seeking to justify sex discrimination? Do you believe discrimination on grounds of sex is OK? :huh:

why don't you try and bring it up with them they mite listen to you
also blades ahve doen numerous ladies days over the past few seasons which i can remember

why don't you try and bring it up with them they mite listen to you
also blades ahve doen numerous ladies days over the past few seasons which i can remember
I don't have a problem with them having a ladies day to raise money for a (mostly) ladies cancer. They just need to do it in a way that doesn't discriminate.

Trying to bring in more women by donating a certain amount of money for every women that attends is fine. Offering a reduced price just for women isn't.

I will raise it with SUFC though.

it would be a good idea zamo, doing something for the men for a change would be cool! let us knwo what they say

look they need the support there not as big as wednesday!!!!!

why don't you try and bring it up with them they mite listen to you
also blades ahve doen numerous ladies days over the past few seasons which i can remember

This is a good point. It's just as illegal as offering a discount to white people (or those over 40), but complaining about it in Sheffield Forum won't get you anywhere.

If it's a bit deal, pop into your lawyers. Offer to buy a £15 pound ticket and pay £30 to cancer research (your choice of cancer). Be prepared to pay lots of fees and expect Sheffield United to want the publicity to go on for as long as they can. Don't expect any help or sympathy, but what you're doing is right.

I do it myself, but I hate football.

This is a good point. It's just as illegal as offering a discount to white people (or those over 40), but complaining about it in Sheffield Forum won't get you anywhere.

If it's a bit deal, pop into your lawyers. Offer to buy a £15 pound ticket and pay £30 to cancer research (your choice of cancer). Be prepared to pay lots of fees and expect Sheffield United to want the publicity to go on for as long as they can. Don't expect any help or sympathy, but what you're doing is right.

I do it myself, but I hate football.
Thought I'd give an update.

SUFC have finally replied to me (via the FA) and said that "similar initiatives will be designed so as not to be potentially in contravention of the SDA."

No solicitors, no bad publicity and no argument. Let's hope they keep their word... I'll be watching! :suspect:

Equal rights for men... when do we want 'em?... NOW!!

As I understand it, the Sex Discrimination Act only covers employment issues, and therefore does not apply here. Whereas the Race Relations Act and the Disability Discrimination Act apply to services as well as employment.

That is why it's legal to have "Ladies free B4 10 pm" promotions, although getting in free would not be enough to get me to volunteer as bait for ugly, sweaty, beery tossers who think they're god's gift, but it takes all sorts I suppose.

No, I was wrong.

http://www.womenandequalityunit.gov.uk/legislation/discrimination_act.htm

It does apply to services and facilities.

I'm not being sensitive... I'm being tight!

Prostate cancer kills almost as many men each year as breast cancer kills women. Despite this about 10 times as much funding in put into researching breast cancer as prostate cancer. This doesn't really seem fair but it's their money so they can give it to whoever they want. However, to further penalise me for being male, by making me pay more than a woman, seems like an injustice too far!

I'm going to try and buy a £15 ticket on the way home and see what they say.

Suggest that they have day for prostate cancer. The easy way to put your mind at rest. And for the poster who said men don't have breasts maybe he should open his shirt some time. Not only do they have breasts put they too can and do get breast cancer.

Zamo
I notice that you have not commented on my last post. Maybe you looked at your own chest and realised that you too have breasts. I grant you they are not much use on a man

Zamo
I notice that you have not commented on my last post. Maybe you looked at your own chest and realised that you too have breasts. I grant you they are not much use on a man
I never said I didn't want them to raise money for breast cancer research. All I said was that they should do it without breaking sex discrimination laws... not difficult surely?

Think about it...


If these tickets had been offered up to men as well then they would have sold more tickets (the stand was half empty) and they would have raised more money for the charity.

If the women had had to pay the same as the men then the cut received by the charity
could have been higher and more money would have been raised.
A more cynical person might suggest that SU were not especially concerned about how much money they raised for the charity and were using the event as a smoke screen so they could lure more women to their games with cut-price tickets?!? :suspect:

I never said I didn't want them to raise money for breast cancer research. All I said was that they should do it without breaking sex discrimination laws... not difficult surely?

Think about it...


If these tickets had been offered up to men as well then they would have sold more tickets (the stand was half empty) and they would have raised more money for the charity.

If the women had had to pay the same as the men then the cut received by the charity
could have been higher and more money would have been raised.
A more cynical person might suggest that SU were not especially concerned about how much money they raised for the charity and were using the event as a smoke screen so they could lure more women to their games with cut-price tickets?!? :suspect:

This dosn't come under the sex discrimition act. In fact good on the blades for doing what is now becoming an annual event to raise money for a good cause. Get a life and be thankful that you don't have cancer or have to deal with the trauma of nursing someone with cancer. If you really want to complain then can I suggest that you direct some of your time and money contacting your local MP about better funding for the NHS and not bother the staff at the Blades Box Office about a ticket charge.

This dosn't come under the sex discrimition act. In fact good on the blades for doing what is now becoming an annual event to raise money for a good cause. Get a life and be thankful that you don't have cancer or have to deal with the trauma of nursing someone with cancer. If you really want to complain then can I suggest that you direct some of your time and money contacting your local MP about better funding for the NHS and not bother the staff at the Blades Box Office about a ticket charge.
Yes it does come under the SDA.

Indeed, good on them for holding charity events. Even better on them for agreeing to do so in the future without breaking the law by discriminating against people on the grounds of their sex. Surely that is a good thing isn't it? Or do you think discrimination is OK? Presumably, judging by your response, you do.

Maybe you should consider a career change? How about giving up the floor-mopping career at McDonalds and applying for the position of Blades Charity Events Co-ordinator? You could introduce all sorts of things like 'Blacks Pay Double Day' and 'Only Fit Birds with Mini-skirts Day'. How about getting a few Muslims in stockages and charge 50p to throw 3 soggy sponges or £5 for a brick? As long as you bung a few bob to a charity at the end, anything goes right? :suspect:

Yes it does come under the SDA.

Indeed, good on them for holding charity events. Even better on them for agreeing to do so in the future without breaking the law by discriminating against people on the grounds of their sex. Surely that is a good thing isn't it? Or do you think discrimination is OK? Presumably, judging by your response, you do.

Maybe you should consider a career change? How about giving up the floor-mopping career at McDonalds and applying for the position of Blades Charity Events Co-ordinator? You could introduce all sorts of things like 'Blacks Pay Double Day' and 'Only Fit Birds with Mini-skirts Day'. How about getting a few Muslims in stockages and charge 50p to throw 3 soggy sponges or £5 for a brick? As long as you bung a few bob to a charity at the end, anything goes right? :suspect:

How silly and childish are you. Some facts for you.

1. I don't eat in McDonalds never mind wipe their floors.
2. I work in a professional job supporting for a charity in one of the most ethnic diverse communities in Sheffield.
3. As a gay man I have been the victim of real discrimination and would never support discrimination.
4. I had a close relative who died from Breast Cancer and know that in the bigger picture raising funds for care and treatment is FAR more important the some silly football game or how they sell tickets.

3. As a gay man I have been the victim of real discrimination and would never support discrimination.
So it would be "real" discrimination if SU said gay men had to pay more than straight men but it isn't "real" discrimination when it is men paying more than women?!? :suspect:

4. I had a close relative who died from Breast Cancer and know that in the bigger picture raising funds for care and treatment is FAR more important the some silly football game or how they sell tickets.
I am sorry for your loss. Cancer has touched my life too and I agree that it is important to raise money for research but that doesn't mean it is OK to discriminate against people whilst you do it. If you had read the whole thread more carefully then it would be plain to you that had SU complied with the SDA then they would have raised more money for cancer research.

I remember reading about a Catholic charity that raised money to help the homeless but discriminated against homeless muslims and gays. Does "the bigger picture" make that OK? As a non-muslim, straight man should I not be bothered about which homeless collection box I put my £1 in?

Basically, SU had come up with a clever con to get more women to matches and boost their long term gate receipts. The charity element was used to deflect critism and worked a treat... as you can see by the hostility shown towards me for daring to try and point it out! :rolleyes:

So it would be "real" discrimination if SU said gay men had to pay more than straight men but it isn't "real" discrimination when it is men paying more than women?!? :suspect:


I am sorry for your loss. Cancer has touched my life too and I agree that it is important to raise money for research but that doesn't mean it is OK to discriminate against people whilst you do it. If you had read the whole thread more carefully then it would be plain to you that had SU complied with the SDA then they would have raised more money for cancer research.

I remember reading about a Catholic charity that raised money to help the homeless but discriminated against homeless muslims and gays. Does "the bigger picture" make that OK? As a non-muslim, straight man should I not be bothered about which homeless collection box I put my £1 in?

Basically, SU had come up with a clever con to get more women to matches and boost their long term gate receipts. The charity element was used to deflect critism and worked a treat... as you can see by the hostility shown towards me for daring to try and point it out! :rolleyes:

I applaued your stance and standing by your principles but this is a once a year event, SUFC on a DAILY basis charges the SAME fee to both men and women including all other aspects of their business not just matches. If it was something they did on a regular basis then I would be fully with you and would contact them. In real terms SUFC DO NOT discriminate between sexes.

In terms of aggression,I don't support that either, we have a right to an opinion but when that opinion is made public we have to accept that not everyone will agree with us. I did find your initial response to me aggressive and rude, so maybe the old adage "you get back what you give out" has some meaning.