I have experienced quieter roads,people sharing cars and getting to know each other better, improved local trade and great spirit from everybody.
The fact is nobody gives a tinkers cuss about the bus drivers except for the bus drivers themselves!
It seem's a shame as years ago we would have done
why don't we now?

how've you found it?

stay on strike i say

Less noise pollution, quieter roads, no crowds at bus stops... yes they should go on strike more often.

Walking to work is great. Turn up wide awake and relaxed. I plan to keep walking to work even when the busses are on again. I may reconsider that when it piddles down though.

I'll say I have not missed the First busses whatsoever, let them remain on strike.

I think this thread will turn out to make interesting reading.

according to the Star - trade has suffered. The town centre was packed yesterday afternoon even with no buses

The drivers at First are affecting more sections of our community then hurting the Management of First.A sad reflection in todays world looking after number one. The Bus service/Rail services and Airplanes are all forms of public transport required today to service large areas of the country.After all even us non car owners pay taxes for you car drivers to have roads/motorways to drive on!!! As I have said before if the union has a strong case is should not be afraid of taking the matter to ACAS.

Originally posted by t020
Less noise pollution, quieter roads, no crowds at bus stops... yes they should go on strike more often.

No bus services means I have to rely on the tram to get anywhere, which wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have to get the BUS to Malin Bridge to get to the Tram in the first place :loopy:

So shut up about buses being on strike being good.

I think the strike is good (Purely selfish car driver).
No buses pulling out in front,non blocking up all the roads.no sets of three at bus stops,then all moving off at once.No racing down Penistone rd or anywhere. Yep good for me.

what a selfish self-centred thread this is

solidarity obviously has been removed from the english dictionary

Hardly self-centred.

People who need buses want them and are unhappy with the strike. People (like me, a car user) who don't use or need the buses are dead chuffed they're on strike and freeing up the roads.

Walking along London Rd today was like a stroll in the country. The air was clearer than I can ever remember, and the traffic was quieter.

Long may the strike go on!!:clap: :clap:

i say the bus drivers are causing major stress by not turning to work. its very annoying not being able to get a bus. yeah i must say theres less noise and air pollution but look on the other side we need them.
But as long as the stike goes on I get a free taxi home from work everyday.. YEEEEEEEEEEE

If anyone out there thinks the buses should start running again, then you're very welcome to go drive one yourself:)

All you have to do is turn up at First Mainline, fill in a simple application and they'll give you a few days training and off you go.

You'll have the excellent oportunity to work weekends, get out of bed at 3am and drive through Sheff after dark.

You'll get less pay than a student working in McDonalds, but that will be more than made up for by the number of broken bottles, bricks, knives and other lovely items those friendly passengers are so happy to let you have.

You will also find bus driving to be a slimming activity as it will be possible for you to stay away from the temptations of locations of food and drink for up to 14 hours out of every 24.

So why not pick up an application form today? Simply pop down to your local First Mainline depot and ask:thumbsup:

DONT FORGET YOU MUST HAVE A PULSE SO HURRY ON DOWN AND GET YOUR APPLICATIONS IN.

Originally posted by joe_shfuk
i must say theres less noise and air pollution


Surely the opposite is true? No buses means more cars on the road.

Rich you don't have to get the bus to malin bridge. I've been walking down and back up stannington road since the buses went on strike.

It's a killer going back up but coming down isn't so bad.

I may carry on doing it even when the buses come back. Not in the bad weather though.

I've never been as early to work as I have this past week!:)

Originally posted by mojoworking
Surely the opposite is true? No buses means more cars on the road.
Well that doesn't seem to be the case at all though does it?

Ecclesall Road is especially pleasant at the moment.

I didn't even know the buses were on strike until somebody told me yesterday.:blush:

Ha I love that. Who would indeed be bus driver. I think I would rather work at Mcdonalds and get shouted as by loads of chavs, assaulted, laughed at, gobbed at, abused by lots of drunk fat women, had things chucked at me from drugged up burberry morons.....Oh hang on, that IS a bus drivers life!!!

The roads have indeed been heaven to drive on. No more being stuck behind a big fat bus with no way round the side. No more fat buses pulling out in front of me without signalling. No more big fat buses driving 1 inch from my exhaust pipe on ABbeydale Road. No more black foul diesel fumes pumped into my face. No more......ahh, no more big fat buses. Its a dream come true......

Originally posted by Tony
Well that doesn't seem to be the case at all though does it?

Ecclesall Road is especially pleasant at the moment.

Maybe not in certain areas, but in theory bus/train strikes mean more cars on the road, obviously. Unless everyone decides to take a day off work.

Agree with the theory Mojo, however let's ask the question


Has ANYONE on the forum seen an increase in traffic anywhere during the bus strike?

To be honest I had been away when it began. I wondered why the roads were so calm until I was informed.

So I think the roads have been better and calmer. There doesn't seem to be more cars at all.

Got to agree with Bonny.

I'm on the road for between 10 and 12 hours a day and I haven't seern any appreciable increase in traffic, even in the rush hour.

But the kids are now off school which makes a massive difference to the traffic (especially around rush hour) regardless of the buses, and we're into prime holiday season.

I don`t think anyone disputes that there are more cars on the road. The argument is that traffic is moving smoothly and without any apparent major problems.
The conclusion being ?
My earlier post says what I think the answer is.

bus drivers get paid less than a teenager working for mcdoanlds??? well as i see it, mcdoanlds workers only get something like £4:20 or something daft..... if this was how much the drivers of First were being paid i would be all for this bus strike..........

HOLD IT keep that thought

i AM all for the bus drivers being on strike.,...... pure greed if u ask me, i wanna see them humiliated by first....... there are ways to go on strike and keep people on your side, this sadly has not been done by the bus drivers of ours..........

also........ i went to pictures last night, had to chuckle when a "first" advert came on.........

"do you leave work every day with a smile??" LMAO

how ironic

MWAHq

Originally posted by Rich
No bus services means I have to rely on the tram to get anywhere, which wouldn't be a problem if I didn't have to get the BUS to Malin Bridge to get to the Tram in the first place :loopy:

So shut up about buses being on strike being good.

No I won't shut up. The question for the was "how've you found it?". Keyword: "you". So from my point of view, the buses being on strike has been a good thing - more room on the roads, seemingly less traffic and less noise pollution.

Originally posted by andy1702
If anyone out there thinks the buses should start running again, then you're very welcome to go drive one yourself:)

All you have to do is turn up at First Mainline, fill in a simple application and they'll give you a few days training and off you go.

You'll have the excellent oportunity to work weekends, get out of bed at 3am and drive through Sheff after dark.

You'll get less pay than a student working in McDonalds, but that will be more than made up for by the number of broken bottles, bricks, knives and other lovely items those friendly passengers are so happy to let you have.

You will also find bus driving to be a slimming activity as it will be possible for you to stay away from the temptations of locations of food and drink for up to 14 hours out of every 24.

So why not pick up an application form today? Simply pop down to your local First Mainline depot and ask:thumbsup:

They knew the terms when they originally applied for the job. If they dislike their job so much, the answer is simple.

Originally posted by mojoworking
Surely the opposite is true? No buses means more cars on the road.

That's what the government want you to believe. In reality, buses chug out more crap than several cars combined, and are very rarely carrying more than a few passengers. In terms of fuel used per passenger, cars are more efficient. A few extra cars on the road is better than a few hundred noisy, smelly, smoggy buses carrying barely any passengers and making driving a misery for car users.

Originally posted by t020
That's what the government want you to believe. In reality, buses chug out more crap than several cars combined, and are very rarely carrying more than a few passengers. In terms of fuel used per passenger, cars are more efficient. A few extra cars on the road is better than a few hundred noisy, smelly, smoggy buses carrying barely any passengers and making driving a misery for car users.

Well until I ever become a car driver, I rely on buses to get out and about, so this strike is a bit of a pain in the arse to put it bluntly.

But I read somewhere the other day that the buses are due back by next Tuesday (August 3rd) so all is not lost.

And just because YOU don't like buses, doesn't make it that non-car drivers who don't live on Tram routes have to suffer.

Originally posted by Rich
But I read somewhere the other day that the buses are due back by next Tuesday (August 3rd) so all is not lost.


nah thats the very earliest they will be back lol........

Originally posted by steelblade
Rich you don't have to get the bus to malin bridge. I've been walking down and back up stannington road since the buses went on strike.

It's a killer going back up but coming down isn't so bad.

I may carry on doing it even when the buses come back. Not in the bad weather though.

I've never been as early to work as I have this past week!:)

With all due respect steelblade, it's all very well to say walk it, but with me having mobility difficulties, I'd say that's pretty much out of the question as it takes me 20 minutes to walk from our house to the Sportsman pub alone much less walk all the way down Stannington Road, I certainly wouldn't be able to walk all the way back up given that I live right up in REAL Stannington, ie above the Sportsman.

A few extra cars on the road is better than a few hundred noisy, smelly, smoggy buses carrying barely any passengers and making driving a misery for car users. [/B]

AGREE completely. Buses make life a NIGHTMARE for car drivers. Good riddance to First Mainline. Please DONT go back to work...

This week has been total bliss on the roads. I know some of it is to do with the holidays (I was in Barnsley yesterday where the buses are still running and it was quiet) but even getting through Woodseats has been easy .... with the road works as well.

My house is situated on the busy 52 route, I just cannot belive just how much quieter it is with out the buses thundering past every other minute of the day, with the recent good weather its been great to be able to have the windows open, without being drowned out by noise or choked by diesel fumes.

An elderly neighbour even said that she had'nt experienced the road being that quiet since the blackouts during the war.

Originally posted by Rich

And just because YOU don't like buses, doesn't make it that non-car drivers who don't live on Tram routes have to suffer.

I think you're still missing the point somewhat. Scroll back and read the original question.

The POINT is the title of the THREAD......Are bus drivers giving us a better service by not turning up for work?

ANSWER.....YES. Safer roads, cleaner roads, no diesel crap pumped in your face, no noisy badly serviced motorised dustbins making as much racket as an articulated lorry going up a hill in reverse....see all earlier anti-bus posts.

It seems more people want them OFF the road than back on. I had not realized how much better off we are without them. Filthy, noisy, and obsolete mode of transport.

Being a natural optimist I hope they dont come back ever and we can have our roads back for car use and get rid of those space wasting bus lanes that are always empty in rush hour as there are no buses to use them. Mind you, most drivers have now taken to using the bus lanes in rush hour as there are no buses to stop them any more. The traffic cops dont seem to object either as I had one behind me doing the same, and who trundled off in a different direction, not interested in bus lane invaders.

When I lived at Walkley in 1986 I had to put up with nasty horrible 95 buses, the hideous double decker dustbins going past the window every 10 minutes. They shook the whole house, could hear nothing. I bet it is heaven living there at the moment. You can even park your car without some manic bus driver knocking your wing mirrors off, which ALWAYS happens on that road.

As you can tell I have ZERO sympathy for buses, the drivers or the whole organization. And PROUD of it. CAR DRIVERS UNITED!!!

This negative attitude towards buses is worrying. Fair enough, car drivers might not like the effect of buses on the road, but they're there to provide transport for those who can't drive, those who can't afford to drive and for those who choose not to drive.

I understand why people dislike buses, but surely it's better to have buses on the road than to have lots of single occupancy cars? As for the apparent lack of increase in cars, as was mentioned earlier, this is most likely due to the holidays and the nice weather. Imagine what the roads would be like in the middle of Winter.

Personally, I can drive, I can afford a car, but I choose not to buy one. It would make my life easier, but I can manage without. I find it hard to understand why anyone would advocate the unnecessary use of cars.

Originally posted by Herbaliser
This negative attitude towards buses is worrying. Fair enough, car drivers might not like the effect of buses on the road, but they're there to provide transport for those who can't drive, those who can't afford to drive and for those who choose not to drive.

I understand why people dislike buses, but surely it's better to have buses on the road than to have lots of single occupancy cars? As for the apparent lack of increase in cars, as was mentioned earlier, this is most likely due to the holidays and the nice weather. Imagine what the roads would be like in the middle of Winter.

Personally, I can drive, I can afford a car, but I choose not to buy one. It would make my life easier, but I can manage without. I find it hard to understand why anyone would advocate the unnecessary use of cars.

But I also think this lack of buses has made people do what they havent done for years - WALK.

Although I think the funniest is I saw in the paper yesterday that the Council are now putting up the prices of parking in the City Centre car parks. £7.20 to park a full day in the city centre. Outrageous. Same in Barnsley costs £3. No wonder the City Centre will never, ever recover when people are not encouraged to go in there.

Originally posted by snowboarder
As you can tell I have ZERO sympathy for buses, the drivers or the whole organization. And PROUD of it. CAR DRIVERS UNITED!!!

Looking forward to sailing past your stationary car leaving you in a cloud of diesel fumes, whilst I sit back and read the paper.

Your attitude towards buses belies a "me-first" attitude that will probably go on to permeate the rest of your life, so I'd nip it in the bud if I were you.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Looking forward to sailing past your stationary car leaving you in a cloud of diesel fumes, whilst I sit back and read the paper.

Your attitude towards buses belies a "me-first" attitude that will probably go on to permeate the rest of your life, so I'd nip it in the bud if I were you.

I don't think the problem is totally an anti bus attitude. I think its the fact that everything is weighted against the car. Everyone accepts that buses provide a service for those that are unable or unwilling to drive. However, we have a council that seems to totally anti car. For years people have said that bus lanes do not solve the problem and actually make it worse. If anything the past couple of weeks has proved this. With fewer buses, traffic has flowed more freely and quicker. Why is this?

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Looking forward to sailing past your stationary car leaving you in a cloud of diesel fumes, whilst I sit back and read the paper.

Your attitude towards buses belies a "me-first" attitude that will probably go on to permeate the rest of your life, so I'd nip it in the bud if I were you.

These days most cars are equipped with filters and air conditioning which help to minimise the foul smelling breath of these ageing leviathons,so it shouldn't have that much impact.
Amazing how they manage to ascend inclines at 10mph and descend at 50 through red lights.
and how refreshing to know that at least one person on the bus can read!
although how you manage to do this on such minimalist seating amazes me, there's not enough room for two people to sit let alone for one to spread a paper to read it.
KEEP BUSSING!

Originally posted by Herbaliser
Imagine what the roads would be like in the middle of Winter.


If buses were permanently off the road, we could reclaim back the bus lanes, hence doubling road capacity on most major roads. I think the roads would still be an improvement even in winter.

I do not own a car, I travel exclusivly using buses (but hope to change that soon) - however, I remember being told the bus drivers chose to strike now as it was the quiestest two weeks of the year, with the school holidays, and people going away anyway.

I always noticed, on a bus, during holidays [same time as i would during term-time] that the roads were a lot quieter, that 40-minute ride to town would become thity or less.

So a lot of the roads quietness can be put down to that. Maybe there are some areas where there are problems, but if you watch buses go along halifax / penistone road (beyond fletchers part) they are usually all fulll, and standing as well.

They are incredibly efficient vehicles for this time period in the day - pollution considered alone, they are fairly bad, and do belch out a lot of pollution (when fully loaded, still less than that passenger in a car)

They do however, keep upwards of 100 people out of cars... at an average of 2 people per car, call it 50 cars taken off the road - now for each bus on the road at the time (usually 10-14 along penistone) and you can be talking 700 cars taken off the road. If those were there, you'd notice it.

Originally posted by MobileB
I don't think the problem is totally an anti bus attitude. I think its the fact that everything is weighted against the car. Everyone accepts that buses provide a service for those that are unable or unwilling to drive. However, we have a council that seems to totally anti car. For years people have said that bus lanes do not solve the problem and actually make it worse. If anything the past couple of weeks has proved this. With fewer buses, traffic has flowed more freely and quicker. Why is this?

It was exactly like this last year and the year before, There is always a lull in traffic over the summer that starts with the school holidays. It has nothing to do with buses.

If anything there is more traffic along wostenholm road than usual though.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
If anything there is more traffic along wostenholm road than usual though.

But I bet it is flowing more freely. Take a look at London Road and Abbeydale Road. Often, the buses cannot pull into bus stops because of parked cars. Hence when the bus stops you get a backlog of traffic behind the bus causing jams. With no buses, the parked cars are irrelevant and traffic is flowing freely up and down. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the same can be said of Chesterfield Road through Woodseats.

I do not doubt for one minute the service that buses provide. I also accept that the amount of traffic on the roads generally is less during the holiday period - no school runs! But you cannot doubt that traffic is flowing more smoothly without the buses. So who are to blame for the jams?

I don't think buses can be blamed for jams- just look at Broad Lane or Hanover Way during rush hour. No buses (odd exception), no parked cars, yet both are packed for a couple of hours each day.

I think a more pertinent issue regarding the bus strikes is the effect on business. There was an article in the Star the other day about how much business has fallen around the Markets and Hillsborough. Fair enough, these aren't the hub areas of retail in Sheffield, but it's areas like these that mostly rely on trade from bus users. There have been reports of trade falling by up to 50% over the past couple over weeks, seriously threatening the existence of some businesses.

Fortunately YT have been providing services in some areas, but if there were no buses at all in Sheffield, the consequences would be dire. If we want to entertain the notion of Sheffield as city on the up, we need an efficient and reliable public transport system. Even with the removal of bus lanes, the road just could not cope with the volume of traffic that would materialise if buses weren't an option.

As a young lad I can remember a snow storm in 77 that crippled Sheffield, It took the 71 an hour to pitifully crawl it's way up Park Grange Road. It dutifully stopped wherever any body wanted to get off and the Bus Driver was a hero to every passenger on that bus. The condensation and fag fumes on the top deck would have meant that any one with breathing difficulties would have never made it home alive, the pale magnolia colour of the ceiling was a testament to power Of Park Drive.
Amazingly the driver remained cheerful, helped old ladies of the bus and made sure they didn't fall on their arses when alighting!
And all this for 2p.
but then again our parents as rate payers subsidised the busses didn't they. In fact all of us in a little way owned the busses, they were ours. We had a devine right to look after them and respect them in the same way that they looked after us.
Perhaps we ought to own them now!
Perhaps if we did we'd have more respect and consideration for them and there employees!
Perhaps it might even be reciprocated!
Perhaps First and the rest of the private companies have brought about this decline in standards simply by being to corperate and losing local identity and encouraging there staff to do the same.
Bring back South Yorkshire Transport or Sheffield City Transport .
Please forgive me I reminisce.

Originally posted by Herbaliser
I don't think buses can be blamed for jams- just look at Broad Lane or Hanover Way during rush hour. No buses (odd exception), no parked cars, yet both are packed for a couple of hours each day.

I think a more pertinent issue regarding the bus strikes is the effect on business. There was an article in the Star the other day about how much business has fallen around the Markets and Hillsborough. Fair enough, these aren't the hub areas of retail in Sheffield, but it's areas like these that mostly rely on trade from bus users. There have been reports of trade falling by up to 50% over the past couple over weeks, seriously threatening the existence of some businesses.

Fortunately YT have been providing services in some areas, but if there were no buses at all in Sheffield, the consequences would be dire. If we want to entertain the notion of Sheffield as city on the up, we need an efficient and reliable public transport system. Even with the removal of bus lanes, the road just could not cope with the volume of traffic that would materialise if buses weren't an option.

I accept the situation with the markets. Their natural customer base will travel into town by bus and I know they are working on very tight margins which gives them little room when sales drop off.

I have never said, though, that we should take buses completely off the road. What I do not agree with is the penalties that are imposed on car users that effectively stop them from moving in normal flow whilst buses are given the freedom of the city. Bus Lanes do not work.

Take, for instance, the bus lane at the bottom of Pitsmoor Road. One bus travels down this bus lane roughly every 30 minutes throughout the day. All cars have been forced into one lane that quite often causes a backlog up Pitsmoor Road. What is the point of this? I would be interested to hear the justification.

Originally posted by MobileB

I have never said, though, that we should take buses completely off the road.


Someone earlier proposed that the roads would be much better without buses. IMO, integrated transport systems are the only way for major cities.

I appreciate what you're saying about bus lanes. Not sure there is any justification for 24 hour bus lanes! At rush hour I think they're justified. For buses to be an attractive alternative to cars, the journey has to be easier and quicker as convenience and comfort are always going to be the advantage of car journeys. Like you said though, it seems pointless not to allow cars to use bus lanes during the day when reserving these lanes resulting in no significant improvement in bus journey times, especially when the number of passengers is low.

I guess the idea of bus lanes in the first place is so car users will see buses flying past and be encouraged to use the bus next time. Of course in reality, this isn't the case as buses aren't a viable option for many people. The question of essential versus non-essential car journeys needs addressing, rather than whether buses cause more problems than they alleviate.

Originally posted by MobileB
Take a look at London Road and Abbeydale Road. Often, the buses cannot pull into bus stops because of parked cars. Hence when the bus stops you get a backlog of traffic behind the bus causing jams.

snip 8<-----------------------

So who are to blame for the jams?


Could it be the motorists who abandon their cars at bus stops ?? :rolleyes: :thumbsup:

I did notice this morning that the city centre was much quieter than a normal Saturday. Quieter in the sense that there were significantly fewer people about but also in the auditory sense. It's amazing just how much noise pollution there is from buses, and in modern buses it seems to be more gearbox whine than engine noise.

Originally posted by Herbaliser


I guess the idea of bus lanes in the first place is so car users will see buses flying past and be encouraged to use the bus next time.

Can't ever remember seeing a bus go past me in the bus lane to be honest.

Have passed many of them stuck behind another bus or delivery van in the bus lane though.

Originally posted by MobileB
But I bet it is flowing more freely. Take a look at London Road and Abbeydale Road. Often, the buses cannot pull into bus stops because of parked cars. Hence when the bus stops you get a backlog of traffic behind the bus causing jams. With no buses, the parked cars are irrelevant and traffic is flowing freely up and down. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the same can be said of Chesterfield Road through Woodseats.

I do not doubt for one minute the service that buses provide. I also accept that the amount of traffic on the roads generally is less during the holiday period - no school runs! But you cannot doubt that traffic is flowing more smoothly without the buses. So who are to blame for the jams?

Well how bout the 40,000+ students in sheff. a few of which may have gone home and taken their cars with them.

It really was just like this last year....

and the year before....

and probably, although I don't keep a diary that far back, the year before that too.


Re:Wostenholm road. How can it flow more freely than when it hardly has a single car on it? At one point this week the cars were backed up 100 yards or more from the lights at Huttons.

Originally posted by Phanerothyme
Well how bout the 40,000+ students in sheff. a few of which may have gone home and taken their cars with them.

It really was just like this last year....

and the year before....

and probably, although I don't keep a diary that far back, the year before that too.


Re:Wostenholm road. How can it flow more freely than when it hardly has a single car on it? At one point this week the cars were backed up 100 yards or more from the lights at Huttons.

40,000 students with cars? Hows things change since I was a student.

Originally posted by snowboarder
Ha I love that. Who would indeed be bus driver. I think I would rather work at Mcdonalds and get shouted as by loads of chavs, assaulted, laughed at, gobbed at, abused by lots of drunk fat women, had things chucked at me from drugged up burberry morons.....Oh hang on, that IS a bus drivers life!!!

The roads have indeed been heaven to drive on. No more being stuck behind a big fat bus with no way round the side. No more fat buses pulling out in front of me without signalling. No more big fat buses driving 1 inch from my exhaust pipe on ABbeydale Road. No more black foul diesel fumes pumped into my face. No more......ahh, no more big fat buses. Its a dream come true......
I find this post strangely erotic! :cool:

Originally posted by MobileB
40,000 students with cars? Hows things change since I was a student.

Well depending on when you were a student, but car usage amongst students is definitely up.

But more to the point was the qualifier "....a few of which may have...."

So I don't quite know where you got 40,000 students with cars from, sorry.

Originally posted by t020
That's what the government want you to believe. In reality, buses chug out more crap than several cars combined, and are very rarely carrying more than a few passengers. In terms of fuel used per passenger, cars are more efficient. A few extra cars on the road is better than a few hundred noisy, smelly, smoggy buses carrying barely any passengers and making driving a misery for car users.


take it you watched top gear

few extra cars....few hundred buses.... doesnt equate

Did you know that bus drivers have to take a special driving test?

If they check their mirrors before they pull out, they fail!!:D

did you also know that there is a blind spot in bus mirrors. The courteous thing to do would be to not get up their arses then they mught see a diddy little car behind. Then they'd indicate.

"Not getting up their arses" as you put it isn't the problem. Its the seeming complete lack of mirror use before they move off thats the problem.

You wouldn't move straight out into traffic (or at least start to move out) if you saw something alongside you - but bus drivers do.

Remember it should be 'Mirror - signal - manoeuvre', not 'manoeuvre - signal - mirror'

Originally posted by Tony
Well that doesn't seem to be the case at all though does it?

Ecclesall Road is especially pleasant at the moment.


Ecclesall road is NEVER pleasant!!!! lol

I cannot undestand what all the fuss is about the lack of buses.During the war you simply got on with it.Whistling a tune as you made your way into the city centre stepping over debris and corpses - and arriving at work on time.
It saddens me to see folk waiting for hours for a bus to take them a few hundred yards.No wonder the NHS spends millions on hip and knee operations when most problems could be averted by regular exercise.
I blame Clement Atlee,coffee bars and central heating.

Originally posted by BAZZO
I cannot undestand what all the fuss is about the lack of buses.During the war you simply got on with it.Whistling a tune as you made your way into the city centre stepping over debris and corpses - and arriving at work on time.
It saddens me to see folk waiting for hours for a bus to take them a few hundred yards.No wonder the NHS spends millions on hip and knee operations when most problems could be averted by regular exercise.
I blame Clement Atlee,coffee bars and central heating.

*sigh*

I wish car drivers would shut the chuff up.

Us bus users need our public transport to get to work etc, if cars were cheaper and easier to run then maybe more people would use them and there'd be less call for buses, but I think we'll see flying pork before we see that, so kindly do me the honour of not bitching about buses.