I know people who were brought up in a Predominately White Area but have a Jamaican or LA Street Type Accent

I have never had a satisfactory answer or understood why ?

So can anyone on this Forum could explain ?

NB - PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO A RACE ISSUE -

Because they are silly wannabe's

Because Some People Suffer An Identity Crisis!!

More to the point why does ANYONE from this country who has never been to America or Jamaica(aside from possible holidays) speak like a yank gangster or Jamaican ?

Yeah man me no tink it'z very cool neither....

More to the point why does ANYONE from this country who has never been to America or Jamaica(aside from possible holidays) speak like a yank gangster or Jamaican ?

Good Point, couldn't of put it better myself.

when i wer younger i worked with a white lad who came from trinidad so he naturally had a caribean accent. once whilst stood at a bus stop he gave a uk born black lad a lesson on how to 'talk black'.
does it really matter what accent or dialect you choose to use so long as you can communicate?

does it really matter what accent or dialect you choose to use so long as you can communicate?
Yes it matters, these people are creating an identity and an attitude based on a cultural development. Often certain types of black people are regarded as 'hard' and more interesting etc etc but the gangster hardman untouchable ident is something we should actively discourage. We don't want our neighbourhoods to become mini Bronx's, I don't want drive by shootings based on this kind of mistaken tribal ident.
These people are foolish and admire the origins of the traits because they wish to rebel, to be cool and untouchable.
In fact it could be an image perpetuated by rap music and it's alleged origins.
It needs stamping out before it gets out of hand because it will affect us all eventually.

when i wer younger i worked with a white lad who came from trinidad so he naturally had a caribean accent. once whilst stood at a bus stop he gave a uk born black lad a lesson on how to 'talk black'.
does it really matter what accent or dialect you choose to use so long as you can communicate?

No, it doesnt matter what accent you have but if your born and raised in Liverpool for example were the 'Scouse Accent' is more predominatley spoken then surely you are more likely to have a 'Scouse Accent' than a Jamaican or Ghetto Bronx type accent ?

I am curious to know why this isn't always the case ?

No, it doesnt matter what accent you have but if your born and raised in Liverpool for example were the 'Scouse Accent' is more predominatley spoken then surely you are more likely to have a 'Scouse Accent' than a Jamaican or Ghetto Bronx type accent ?

I am curious to know why this isn't always the case ?
I used to go out with a boy from Liverpool.I never could understand what he was saying. :huh:

Chav scum thats all.

Why and why, man, chill. Me is with it posse ain't nah

See it's bloody rubbish, stop trying to pretend you are a Rastafri' 'cos your not

Isn't it obvious? Because they are brainless sub-humans.

Theres this bloke in Leicester. Hes 6 feet tall, snowflake white, blonde hair in dreadlocks, sucks his teeth, tries desperately to sound Jamaican even though hes probably never left Leicestershire and hasnt worked a day in his life. He even puts coconut oil or whatever it is on his hair.
Just seen a white bloke on Xtra factor trying the same thing.
Pathetic.

Theres this bloke in Leicester. Hes 6 feet tall, snowflake white, blonde hair in dreadlocks, sucks his teeth, tries desperately to sound Jamaican even though hes probably never left Leicestershire and hasnt worked a day in his life. He even puts coconut oil or whatever it is on his hair.
Just seen a white bloke on Xtra factor trying the same thing.
Pathetic.

Any Idea why ?

Any Idea why ?
Well personally I think hes a saddo but apart from that its anybodys guess.

I assume that he woke one morning, decided that he was bored and needed a new lifestyle or culture or something and decided out of the blue to become Jamaican.
The rest of his family are all whities and well adjusted so thats the only rational explanation I can give.

As far as I can remember this sort of thing has always happened.Young people in the '60's often tried to copy the scouse accent because the Beatles were so popular then. People of all ages would go to live in London and come back on a visit to Sheffield 3 months later speaking broad cockney[ or at least they THOUGHT they were speaking cockney].

So it goes on and as some posters have already pointed out, the weaker the mind and character, the more inclined the person is to copy anyone else they see as 'tough'.

In the same way, such numbskulls follow constantly changing fashions and would listen to any old crap music if someone told them it was 'in'. Sad to say, this sort of slavish copy-cat behaviour is probably spreading, filtering down from our Nanny society. A lot of people love to be told what to do and what to like. It saves thinking too much for themselves.

See it's bloody rubbish, stop trying to pretend you are a Rastafri' 'cos your not
There's another point - isn't Rastafarianism effectively a religion? A movement suggesting that man should be peaceful and respectful and accepting
of others. The hair is about being real and natural. Oh, and revering women as the goddess embodied (I like that bit :) )
Which is about as far from these pillocks as you could get really.

Hmm, I think this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari) pretty much says it all.

I know people who were brought up in a Predominately White Area but have a Jamaican or LA Street Type Accent

I have never had a satisfactory answer or understood why ?


TV, films, media, popular culture....it's all quite normal in the 'changingness' of ones life.....
If we could put a stop to it all, we'd just be another Taliban.

It irritates me too BTW ;)

Edit/afterthought..... the term 'man' (instead of 'mate' or 'pal') is the new word around my local pubs recently.

Even I've started saying it again. Takes me back ..... :blush:

Heesh, language trends eh...... ;)

Edit/afterthought..... the term 'man' (instead of 'mate' or 'pal') is the new word around my local pubs recently.



Yes but its usually pronounced "Mon" when I've heard it , mon :hihi:

See you Mon, if not see you Tue or Wed.

I think there's a big difference, too, between people who get a new accent naturally and those who get one overnight.

If someone moves to a new area, it's only to be expected that over a period of time, their accents and vocabulary will change. Also, I'm sure most of us put on an accent for special occasions. I'm not talking about a 'posh' accent to impress someone but, for example on the 'phone where there's no body- language to complement the speech.At an interview, too, we have to make sure that the interviewer[s] can understand us. It's not the same as talking to a mate in the pub.

However, like we've seen, some people get an accent like they get a bag of chips.A good example was the 'Estuary English' craze, as the BBC moved away from middle-class, Home Counties English to try to appeal, presumably, to younger audiences.Then, the Australian soap operas ushered in another type, with the rising inflection at the end of a statement.........and so on......'Black' English is just the latest in a long line. Rather like the latest pop songs, they come and go and the lumpenproletariat follow every twist and turn like brain-dead sheep.

I wonder if the broad Sheffield accent will ever catch on?

This is the BBC News:-

" In that theer Irack, summat's been gooin' off, summat chronic.Thi's been feightin' all ower t' shop..................."

Mi cru iz snortin afta yo ass an wen we get u u iz ded innit

Yes it matters, these people are creating an identity and an attitude based on a cultural development. Often certain types of black people are regarded as 'hard' and more interesting etc etc but the gangster hardman untouchable ident is something we should actively discourage. We don't want our neighbourhoods to become mini Bronx's, I don't want drive by shootings based on this kind of mistaken tribal ident.
These people are foolish and admire the origins of the traits because they wish to rebel, to be cool and untouchable.
In fact it could be an image perpetuated by rap music and it's alleged origins.
It needs stamping out before it gets out of hand because it will affect us all eventually.

No it doesn't matter at all!:loopy:

What has the way someone talks got to do with anything! You'll find that most of people who do this are usually between the ages of 12 and 18 anyway and are just growing up trying to find an identity. Most rarely continue doing it... It's just a phase for most kids, because their role models are people like Sean Paul, Eminem, Jay-Z, 50 Cent etc.

You say you don't want your area turning into a mini-bronx and have drive-by shootings - WTF!!!:gag: :loopy: I personally think you need to take a chill pill, you know what me say mon!

When people were growing up in the sixties and smoked drugs and led hippy lifestyles did it do any harm?..most of those people are now respected parents with jobs and families etc.. Same goes for those who wore embarrassing 80's outfits and had hair like 'A flock of seagulls' literally LOL!:hihi:

Of course theres always the Chav element who take it a step further but on the whole it's really not as bad as you're making it out to be - you need to move with the times a tad.

hahahaha this thread made me nearly wet myself!!!
Alot of you really have no idea what you are talking about!
Your talking about white people sounding 'black' etc and sounding like 'jamaican's' or 'LA Street gangs', i agree this is true yeah and it does sometimes happen but why it happens i have no idea!
The 'black' culture really interests me and i spend alot of time reading up about it and about LA street gangs etc and believe me they DO NOT use the word 'innit' so for all you people on here who think you are being clever by trying to take the p*ss out of these white people trying to sound jamaican or like a street gang, you are just embarrasing yourselves as much as you think these people are embarrasing themselves!
If you are going to comment on something then please at least have a slight clue what you are talking about!!
There is ALOT of difference between black culture and chavs and i think you need to understand that difference!
Oh and before you say anything against me, like i said i am interested in black cultures and so i do have some clue what i am talking about!

So youre trying to say it isnt a sign of immense sadness then? :D

I agree chav's are an immense sign of madness but i just wanted to make people aware who have posted on here that there is a big difference between the black culture in jamaica and in LA and between the chav's etc, because these people clearly are unaware of this!

So youre trying to say it isnt a sign of immense sadness then? :D

You could say the same for:

Heavy metal fans, Goths, Classical music fans, Trainspotters, Gardeners, Rich snobs, Football fans, Car enthusiasts, Chess players . . etc. . . etc. . . Someone is always 'sad' in someones eyes for doing something that others can't understand.

Im none of the above.
Im just sad I suppose :D

Im none of the above.
Im just sad I suppose :D

You're not sad Jabber - just a little different.:D

Chav scum thats all.

You sound bitter Roy...how unusual; really it's simple - people always try and emulate people or cultures they admire. Affecting a black 'street' style accent if your heroes are from that culture is no more strange than adopting the name of a Nazi war criminal if you're into the politics of division and hatred.
As I'm sure you know very well.

You're not sad Jabber - just a little different.:D
Youre only saying that cos ise black.


(Well, my pupils are anyway...)

See you Mon, if not see you Tue or Wed.

Yes but its usually pronounced "Mon" when I've heard it , mon :hihi:
Yes, alright you two...... thanks very much.....
:roll: :D ;)

Sorry can't offer an expanation, but I hate it. That blonde woman on big brother was affected by this mysterioius condition. It makes me cringe when I hear it.

Sorry can't offer an expanation, but I hate it. That blonde woman on big brother was affected by this mysterioius condition. It makes me cringe when I hear it.

Who she was and how she behaved/spoke was just a reflection of the people she associated with and the area where she lived etc not a condition! ffs

TV, films, media, popular culture....it's all quite normal in the 'changingness' of ones life.....
If we could put a stop to it all, we'd just be another Taliban.

It could be their fault ma man.

They get them young, Look Here (http://www.chaos.org.uk/~eddy/img/jest/TaliTubby.png) :hihi:

Bartfarst, Halibut - please take your bickering offline.

And Bartfarst - as I've said many times before, you can say what you wnat to say on here provided that you're not being gratuitously offensive. You're getting close to being that on this and a couple of other threads.

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Perfect case in point: Tim Westwood. A vicars son from Bury St Edmonds who talks like he was raised 'In da city of Compton'. I had the misfortune to watch a programme with this lingustic chameleon as a guest and cringed as he rambled about 'his crew' 'Tings what be 'appenin' in da hood' and 'sick tunes' ........ All through the interview I could hear a middle class accent struggling to break through the thick, spurious, affected patois this pathetic wannabe has adopted.

If this is not the embodiment of this amazing syndrome which is sweeping skinny assed, scrawny white boys up and down the country then I don't know what is.

What you talkin `bout, Willis?


God that brought back some memories...

Seeing Tim Westwood on MOBO Awards made me cringe, & the way he pushed the young black guy was out of order, fame has gone to his head. :loopy:

I know people who were brought up in a Predominately White Area but have a Jamaican or LA Street Type Accent

I have never had a satisfactory answer or understood why ?

So can anyone on this Forum could explain ?

NB - PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS THREAD INTO A RACE ISSUE -


becuase there thick stupid people who want be like HARD ??????:loopy:

Edit/afterthought..... the term 'man' (instead of 'mate' or 'pal') is the new word around my local pubs recently.


You should be using "dog", eg. "Where you at dog ?" (shouted into mobile phone preferably)

It's funny, it's just a teen craze, why do people get so wound up about it ?

You want to try living in North London - everyone is at it, even the Kurds.

In fact, IMHO, the white / mixed race / asian kids try to talk more 'black' than the black kids. I can only assume there is some kudos attached to talking that way. After all, when was the last time you heard a black kid from the inner city try to talk like a white person!

At the same time, there are a lot of children living in London who are offspring of first generation immigrants - therefore one can expect a certain blurring of the edges when it comes to accent, language and dialect.

PS - It would seem the latest craze amongst said groups is to use mobile phones on public transport to play music - loudly.

You want to try living in North London - everyone is at it, even the Kurds.

In fact, IMHO, the white / mixed race / asian kids try to talk more 'black' than the black kids. I can only assume there is some kudos attached to talking that way. After all, when was the last time you heard a black kid from the inner city try to talk like a white person!

At the same time, there are a lot of children living in London who are offspring of first generation immigrants - therefore one can expect a certain blurring of the edges when it comes to accent, language and dialect.

PS - It would seem the latest craze amongst said groups is to use mobile phones on public transport to play music - loudly.

I'm so glad I dont have to use Public Transport.

what type of music would you say it mostly is ?

I'm so glad I dont have to use Public Transport.

what type of music would you say it mostly is ?

"R&B"

Although I use that in the loosest sense of the term.

I used to go out with a boy from Liverpool.I never could understand what he was saying. :huh:

Pattricia, you’re my kind of girl! One who doesn’t know whether to say Yes, or No when asked the right question.

It's a great shame that people have to bastardise the English language.

If people don't speak English correctly, they should be arrested and beaten by nice local bobbies.

I particularly dislike this ridiculous fashion for TV presenters who speak estuary English - the only way for the media to speak should be properly, as most of the Radio 4 presenters thankfully still do.

I find it most amusing that people actually believe that there is such a thing as a pure English accent. How silly!

Queens English? Just another accent.

"R&B"

Although I use that in the loosest sense of the term.

Rhythm & Blues?

I find it most amusing that people actually believe that there is such a thing as a pure English accent. How silly!

Queens English? Just another accent.
The whole point is that correct english has no 'accent'.

It only seems that way to those whose regional accent is too strong and who usually have little experience of mixing with people who are appropriately educated and cultured.

This thread has made me laugh..... just my 2pence worth

Not that would openly admit that i watched Pop Idol, or whatever its called, but if anyone saw it last week, this kid, of the thread posters description turned up,
and i quote loosely ...

Simon Cowell : why are you putting on this ridiculous fake jamaican gangsta accent?
Chav: its not fake
SC: yes it is, you dont talk like that!
Chav: I DO!, YOU dont know me, i could have been brought up in Jamaica for all you know!
SC: were you?
Chav: (sheepishly) no
SC: where were you brought up?
Chav: Burton on Trent

Man, i laughed so much, i dropped me bong

ash

It only seems that way to those whose regional accent is too strong and who usually have little experience of mixing with people who are appropriately educated and cultured.

Good grief you're silly sometimes.

It's a great shame that people have to bastardise the English language.

If people don't speak English correctly, they should be arrested and beaten by nice local bobbies.

I particularly dislike this ridiculous fashion for TV presenters who speak estuary English - the only way for the media to speak should be properly, as most of the Radio 4 presenters thankfully still do.

Y as you gotta prob wit urban speak?

Urban is sic, innit!

^^ Yes me bredrin!

Yes, it all seems a bit strange that young people from an advanced country should try to ape a speech pattern that originated in a 3rd. world, backward country. Also, the fact that more Jamaican people have come to live in the U.K., proportionally, than vice-versa would lead you to think that they might try to copy British Youf-Speak, rather than the other way round.

I wonder if this happens in other countries? For example, do young Parisians try to speak French with an Algerian accent? Do young Portugese kids try to speak Portugese with an Angolan accent?..........etc....

Oddly enough, our youth in the past, as far as I remember didn't speak any accent except mainly their own regional one. Teddy Boys, Hippies, Mods and Rockers........and so on.......seemed to copy no-one very much. Maybe I'm wrong? Anyone know when teenagers began copying the Jamaican patois, or whatever it is exactly?

The only people who used to copy accents, unashamedly, were impressionable little kids who imitated the cowboys and gangsters they'd seen in American films. They usually grew out of it, though, when they were about 10 years of age.

I know i just don't understand them ,but there again my sister inlaw is from Barnsley and i can't understand a word she says either.