I'm sure quite a new, powerful political party could be formed fairly soon in the U.K.

It would largely consist of two groups of people, breakaways in fact from the Lib-Lab group on the one hand and the Tories on the other.

Everyone knows that there are millions of middle-class Tories who despise the Working Class and all it stands for:- the swilling of beer, the cigarettes, the unhealthy food [ " Oh My God, fish and chips ' ], the working-mens' clubs, the Trade Unions..........etc.....

Also, there are, I'm sure, millions of New Labourites who hate the working class and the Upper class for almost the same reasons as the Tories. These tend to be the Bed-Sit Control Freaks, the Health Fanatics, the Do-Gooders, the Hand-Wringers, the Prodnoses...........etc........

In turn the working class, such as it is, and the Upper echelon couldn't really give two monkeys about what anyone thinks, as long as they get the monetary rewards they think fit.

So, we would now have three distinct parties:- The old-style Tories looking after the interests of small and big business ; the old-style Labour Party looking after the interests of the manual worker and the Trade Unions ; the ' New Britain ' party, a sort of Blairite- Cameron combination, looking after civil servants , co-ordinators and social workers.

It's not inconceivable that in the near future the two wings of the ' old ' parties would combine to form a sort of ' National United Party '-----or is that just a dream ?

It's not inconceivable that in the near future the two wings of the ' old ' parties would combine to form a sort of ' National United Party '-----or is that just a dream ?Yes. Amusing post though.

I'd like to launch the Bartfarst Party. A simple manifesto:

Reward talent and success by reducing tax the more people earn.

Fix the cultural problems with 100% forced deportation of ethnic groups who don't fully integrate.

Reduce the minimum wage so that industry can compete.

Trash all the EU-imposed laws that promote political correctness.

Bring back lots of Bernard- Manning style comedians.

Force doley scumbags to work, including the spongers on incapacity.

Build more prisons and fill them with scrotes who are currently let off.

Bring back the death penalty, and apply it to medium level crime.

Have't we already got a 'Monster Raving Loony Party' ? :hihi:

I'd like to launch the Bartfarst Party. A simple manifesto:

Reward talent and success by reducing tax the more people earn.

Fix the cultural problems with 100% forced deportation of ethnic groups who don't fully integrate.

Reduce the minimum wage so that industry can compete.

Trash all the EU-imposed laws that promote political correctness.

Bring back lots of Bernard- Manning style comedians.

Force doley scumbags to work, including the spongers on incapacity.

Build more prisons and fill them with scrotes who are currently let off.

Bring back the death penalty, and apply it to medium level crime.



I agree with quite a bit of what you say.

All for building more prisons.

If you want to live in the UK should be able to communicate in English. Im not saying everyone should fly the flag but at the very least you should be able to converse in the native language, as much for your own safety as anything else.


Political correctness, I dont think anyone wants that.

Not sure about Bernard Manning i'm more of a Billy Connolly fan.

Definitely agree with making doleys work. What about making dole only available to those who have made regular tax/ni payments and then can only be claimed for a maximum of 6 consecutive months. Not totalling more than 24months in any working lifetime (this could be varied according to current ecomic conditions).

Dont agree with the death penalty but i'm all fro life meaning life, bread and water and a bit of solitary confinement.

However if people are genuinely incapable of work then they shouldnt be forced to work. Anyone caught making false benefit claims should be made to repay every penny and be banned from claiming any social security benefit until the outstanding amount has been cleared.

*waits for the backlash*

However if people are genuinely incapable of work then they shouldnt be forced to work. Anyone caught making false benefit claims should be made to repay every penny and be banned from claiming any social security benefit until the outstanding amount has been cleared.
*waits for the backlash*I can't disagree - the troube is, only a very, very small proportion of the couple of MILLION on incapacity are actually unable to work

I can't disagree - the troube is, only a very, very small proportion of the couple of MILLION on incapacity are actually unable to work

Not true; there are a percentage of false claimants, but it's not all that big a percentage. Most people on incapacity are missing legs, or have severe depression, or crippling back injuries etc. etc.

It's the small percentage of fraudsters that gives all the rest of us a bad name.

I can't disagree - the troube is, only a very, very small proportion of the couple of MILLION on incapacity are actually unable to work


I agree wholeheartedly. My mum is in a wheelchair she still manages to go to work. It's about attitude.

I spent sometime on incapacity benefit when I was unwell but as soon as I could I went back to work. I would still be entitled to it but as far as I am concerned there was no reason I shouldn't have been at work. I dont want to live off other peoples handouts. I have more self respect than that.

Not true; there are a percentage of false claimants, but it's not all that big a percentage. Most people on incapacity are missing legs, or have severe depression, or crippling back injuries etc. etc.
It's the small percentage of fraudsters that gives all the rest of us a bad name.
Rubbish.
I agree wholeheartedly. My mum is in a wheelchair she still manages to go to work. It's about attitude.
I spent sometime on incapacity benefit when I was unwell but as soon as I could I went back to work. I would still be entitled to it but as far as I am concerned there was no reason I shouldn't have been at work. I dont want to live off other peoples handouts. I have more self respect than that.Exactly. I've worked with many proud disabled people who work and work well.
People with depression can sweep floors and fill shelves. People in wheelchairs can answer phones.
People who are capable of typing into their keyboard to post on this forum can work, one way or another. If they can be arsed rather than sponging, that is.

I'd like to launch the Bartfarst Party. A simple manifesto:

Reward talent and success by reducing tax the more people earn.

Reassess the meaning of the word 'poverty'.

Fix the cultural problems with 100% forced deportation of ethnic groups who don't fully integrate.

Reduce the minimum wage so that industry can compete.

Trash all the EU-imposed laws that promote political correctness.

Bring back lots of Bernard- Manning style comedians (but NOT Manning himself).

Force doley scumbags to work, including those spongers on incapacity.

Build more prisons and fill them with scrotes who are currently let off.

Bring back the death penalty, and apply it to reoffenders of medium level crime.

In view of my amendments, where do I vote?

In view of my amendments, where do I vote?
Thanks for the amendments - I'm all for those.

What Bartfarst forgets to mention is that this country loses far more money to tax fraud than benifit fraud. This probably slips Bartfarsts mind because tax fraud is rarely commited by the poor.

What Bartfarst forgets to mention is that this country loses far more money to tax fraud than benifit fraud. This probably slips Bartfarsts mind because tax fraud is rarely commited by the poor.I'm quite happy for tax fraudsters to be banged up.

I'm quite happy for tax fraudsters to be banged up.


Doesn't get as much media attention as dole fraud though does it?

Doesn't get as much media attention as dole fraud though does it?Tell that to Ken Dodd.

Tell that to Ken Dodd.


Touche :)

If we're going that way then i'd add Lester Pigott too!

please, noooooooooo! not Bernard Manning ....

... except maybe for people who deserve to be punished, and punished very severely :help:

May I add one more item to your manifesto Bartfarst?

Parents of kids up to the age of 16 will be solely responsible for the crimes of their offspring, and punished as though they commited the crimes themselves. At age 16, the offspring will be classed as adults (but only have the vote if either in work or fulltime education up till the age of 18 ), and will become liable for punishment as adults. Young offender's institutes and youth rehabilitation can then be scrapped in favour of proper penal institutes.

I'm quite happy for tax fraudsters to be banged up.

Seeing that tax fraud is a far larger problem to this country why do you complain about "dole cheats" again and again.

Seeing that tax fraud is a far larger problem to this country why do you complain about "dole cheats" again and again.
At least the tax fraudsters are working - not being parasites off the state.

I dont't think that anybody should be fed at my expense - they should be made to do forced labour for their dole. If 10% of the UK's working-age population weren't sponging, we'd have lower taxes and less incentive for people to dodge paying it.

When I'm dictator I'll have all able-bodied dole-monkeys marched into the chambers if they've sponged for as long as a year.

At least the tax fraudsters are working - not being parasites off the state.


Ian Huntley had a job, does that make him less of a criminal than someone who doesn't work?

Tax fraud is a crime, just as dole fraud is. there shouldn't be any distinction because of social status

Ian Huntley had a job, does that make him less of a criminal than someone who doesn't work?

Tax fraud is a crime, just as dole fraud is. there shouldn't be any distinction because of social statusWhat a silly question, of course Huntley is more of a criminal - shame on our legal system that he still breathes.

I see it as morally worse that somebody will do nothing to support themselves and is happy to sponge from others' efforts, than for somebody to work their way through life and dodge tax. The latter is wrong, but not as wrong as the former.

But isn't the law in place to decide between right and wrong? I'd tend to agree with you on levels of morality, but the law should be the law, no matter what the morality issues are.

I see it as morally worse that somebody will do nothing to support themselves and is happy to sponge from others' efforts, than for somebody to work their way through life and dodge tax. The latter is wrong, but not as wrong as the former.

So you think it is more morally correct for "rich" people with lots of money to defraud the state than "working class" people who often have little or no money.

So you think it is more morally correct for "rich" people with lots of money to defraud the state than "working class" people who often have little or no money.
Both are wrong, but there aren't 3 million tax dodgers defrauding the governement of every penny they earn.

Both are wrong, but there aren't 3 million tax dodgers defrauding the governement of every penny they earn.

But surely a crime doesn't get more serious because "more people do it." As I said earlier tax evasion costs this country a lot more than benifit fraud.

But surely a crime doesn't get more serious because "more people do it." As I said earlier tax evasion costs this country a lot more than benifit fraud.
Two points I would raise here.

Firstly, I think a crime is a bigger problem if more people do it. Three million spongers should be seen as a national crisis, while 3 such parasites would be manageable.

Secondly, I'd love to see some substantiated figures on the tax dodging to demonstrate it as being a bigger problem that dole sponging.
I suggest this not to be the case, based on my understanding of the UK's financial turnover. Income tax is a surprisingly low proportion of government income. Conversely, the welfare state is the biggest chunk by far that the government blows money on.

Tell that to Ken Dodd.


Ken Dodd was acquitted.

As I said earlier tax evasion costs this country a lot more than benifit fraud.

I wonder if tax evasion costs us as much as do quangos ? ;)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=L1UGD4ZASVG2VQFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ 0IV0?xml=/news/2006/09/24/nquango24.xml

Ken Dodd was acquitted.
The discussion was over whether tax evasion hit the media as much as benefit cheats. Whatever the end results, he was dragged through the media mill over it. As was Piggott.

But surely a crime doesn't get more serious because "more people do it." As I said earlier tax evasion costs this country a lot more than benifit fraud.

The two tend to go hand in hand. If you add on to that organised crime, the size of the problem becomes obvious.

The two tend to go hand in hand. If you add on to that organised crime, the size of the problem becomes obvious.
Indeed - because most dole scroungers do some unrecorded cash work anyway - so they're robbing the tax payer twice over.