Are the contractors trying to break the record for the slowest ever building job on the park and ride car park at Malin Bridge? Does anyone know anything about it, the sign says it is opening summer 2006 but it's now autumn. Why on earth it is full of signs and elaborate block paving is a mystery to me. I may count the spaces when I pass later but it doesn't look like it will accomodate many tram loads.

Well there has never been much of a need for one in the past so I doubt it will need to be very big.

They have only started working on it relatively recently (AFAIK) so Summer 2006 is a bit of a joke.

I was thinking that myself. They seem to have abandoned working on it alltogether!
I can remember being stood at the tramstop and being asked if I thought Malin Bridge would benefit from a park and ride by some clipboard weilding bloke and I said no! I think just about every other person he asked when I was stood there also said no as we could walk to the tramstop from where we lived. That was 3 years ago though so they took their time organising it aswell!

Nay Nay, Meaks, work started on that project in March. They're probably trying to outdo the Wembly Stadium contractors!

Well there has never been much of a need for one in the past so I doubt it will need to be very big.

They have only started working on it relatively recently (AFAIK) so Summer 2006 is a bit of a joke.No, they have been working on it on and off for most of this year. Occasionaly I see a couple of blokes pottering about there.

Well they obvously haven't been very intensive works then! :mrgreen:

Occasionaly I see a couple of blokes pottering about there.

Sounds about right for Sheffield City Council contracters. One of them sweeping up, the other one watching. Next thing they'll burst a water main. :hihi:

I saw a couple of blokes from council. one was digging holes and the other was filling them in. I asked what they were doing and they said they were planting trees. I asked where the trees were and they said "Oh the bloke who plants them is off sick"

I saw a couple of blokes from council. one was digging holes and the other was filling them in. I asked what they were doing and they said they were planting trees. I asked where the trees were and they said "Oh the bloke who plants them is off sick"

Please tell me you are joking!!! Thats got to be the dumbest thing Ive ever heard

Please tell me you are joking!!! Thats got to be the dumbest thing Ive ever heardIt's true.

Darbees, behave yourself!

It's true.

:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

To be fair, I could quite believe it.

I could actually believe it of our council though!!!

Seriously though what are they playing at, it should be open by now

I'm sure I could have gone in there with a JCB, got it levelish put down a few tipper loads of hardcore and rolled it flat in a week or so on my own. It doesn't have to be a state of the art award winning design. Presumably most people will rush in in the morning and come back after work, who cares what it looks like. No doubt it will have a prohibitive charge on it too. I'm going to inspect it tonight.

We should chain ourselves to the railings and sing 'We Shall Not Be Moved'.

Not for any particular reason mind.

I'll join you in that Meaks, sounds like fun. :) :)

We should chain ourselves to the railings and sing 'We Shall Not Be Moved'.

Not for any particular reason mind.I'll inspect the railings too and see if they are suitable for that purpose.

Make sure you get back to us and let us know :)

We will need a secret codename though


And with my mod hat on: oops please keep this thread on tracks (albeit tram tracks) :)

As you are a mod you can tell me if I'm allowed to go off track if it's my own thread. It's my party and I'll cry if I want to type thing.

I do not have my official hat on with this one, but im going to let you cry :)

Well I'll cry out of frustration at watching this project being completed so slowly. You're in Malin Bridge anyway you could be checking it out. How much does it cost to go to town on tram and how long does it take?

I saw a couple of blokes from council. one was digging holes and the other was filling them in. I asked what they were doing and they said they were planting trees. I asked where the trees were and they said "Oh the bloke who plants them is off sick"
That's a cracker:hihi:

i drove past the other day and noticed three workmen cleaning the wall with what looked like 1 inch paint brushes and a bucket of water, surely we could of got rid of two workmen and bought a steam cleaner.:confused: :confused:

i work just up from malin bridge and drive past this site on a regular basis,the number of times i've seen Fujitsu(the site contractors) workers stood idle beggars belief,last friday,there were 6(six) or 'em stood staring into space for ages (i know cause i was in the traffic jam at the side of 'em) down towards the tram terminus for some reason. :huh:

Well I have done my research but I've already forgotten how many parking spaces. I think it was 87 or 97 and a few disabled spots. The railings are adequate for Meaks to be chained to. On the site there are various items which are all on hire including a dumper truck, a rather nice Aggreko generator, a couple of skips and some other bits. There aren't any pay and display machines at present. There is a path round the back of it which has fence on both sides which is expensive palisade and wire mesh. The path seems pointless as it only leads back to the road. Today I passed at 2.30pm and there was no one working there and no signs that anything has been moved since Saturday.

How do contractors work on these projects? Do they just send couple of people there every now and then if they have nothing else to do. Is it because it's a project for the council and therefore nobody checks how long it takes and there are no sanctions if it's late completion.

How many people does a tram carry?

A park and ride? So that's what's happening down there then. I just presumed it was another stage in Towsure's domination of the entire planet.

It stil has a long way to go to equall the time it took Streetforce to re-cobble Norfolk street :D

Wonder how long it will take to get a car out of there in the evening rush hour ?

Is it because it's a project for the council and therefore nobody checks how long it takes and there are no sanctions if it's late completion.

How many people does a tram carry?

It isn't for the Council. It's South Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive who are having it built. They are responsible for park and ride provision across South Yorkshire.

It isn't for the Council. It's South Yorkshire Passenger Transport Executive who are having it built. They are responsible for park and ride provision across South Yorkshire.
Same firm different branch.

Isn't it strange that the Council suddenly decide a Park and Ride is needed just before a developer applies for planning permission for a new village in the Loxley Valley?:suspect:

Same firm different branch.
No, completely separate organisations.

No, completely separate organisations.

Equally as incompetent... ;)

No, completely separate organisations.The "firm" I mean is large bureaucratic organisations who don't know if they are on their a*** or their elbow. Incidentally there where some people working on it this morning.

Isn't it strange that the Council suddenly decide a Park and Ride is needed just before a developer applies for planning permission for a new village in the Loxley Valley?:suspect:

You're reading too much into it. The park and ride is there because SYPTE have been able to aquire a suitable site, close to a tramstop, that's it. As I said earlier, SYPTE are responsible for park & ride provision in South Yorkshire, not the Council. It's county-wide policy to provide more park & ride sites.

Equally as incompetent... ;)

That's your view and I'll have to disagree.

That's your view and I'll have to disagree.Council is worse?

Council is worse?

You might not agree with what the Council says or does, but that doesn't make the people who work there incompetent.

My (very extensive) experience is that most Council Officers are dedicated, hard working and very competent. The people at Sheffield Council do very well considering the very limited resources they have.

Why not try to have a reasoned debate without resorting to petty insults. Is it any wonder that few people at the Council are willing to take this Forum seriously when this is the way you behave?

You might not agree with what the Council says or does, but that doesn't make the people who work there incompetent.



Why not try to have a reasoned debate without resorting to petty insults. Is it any wonder that few people at the Council are willing to take this Forum seriously when this is the way you behave?Who on here is insulted? How can this particular scheme be reasonably debated? It's the general consensus that these organisations appear to be incompetant. We see jobs that take forever to finish and harebrained schemes wasting money all the time. You do a sti(e)rling job defending them but that, as I understand it, is your job and I admire your loyalty.

agreed, looks tiny and has been in progress since like evAr!

Not as long as the cockup on Penistone road though! Congrats SSC you have just about killed off every business down that offroad where hobbies used to be! :(

Who on here is insulted? How can this particular scheme be reasonably debated? It's the general consensus that these organisations appear to be incompetant. We see jobs that take forever to finish and harebrained schemes wasting money all the time. You do a sti(e)rling job defending them but that, as I understand it, is your job and I admire your loyalty.

I worked for the Council for 20 years, so when you insult them you insult me. If you saw the difficulties involved and the effort that goes into what the Council does, you might not be as quick to criticise. Everything is done for a good reason, the fact that you don't understand why or don't agree with what's been done doesn't make things hare-brained or a waste of money. Sheffied Council do a good job, particularly bearing in mind the limited resources they have.

I've worked for all four local councils. I'd go back tomorrow. You can really take the p**s.

I've worked for all four local councils. I'd go back tomorrow. You can really take the p**s.Surely not. Anyway I saw someone drive the dumper truck across the park and ride on Friday and a woman there with a clipboard.

Surely not. Anyway I saw someone drive the dumper truck across the park and ride on Friday and a woman there with a clipboard.

They drove over the woman? :o

They drove over the woman? :oDunno, I was just driving past.

Dunno, I was just driving past.

I didnt see any dead bodies this morning when I drove past

No one working there late this morning. I did see some blokes standing on the pavement one day last week but they didn't seem to be working, they were leaning on various things.

We've been informed by SYPTE that the new Park and Ride will be open next Monday (November 6th).

Didn't get an explanation for the delay - still - I suppose it's summer 2006 somewhere... :D

We could set fire to it for Bonfire Night... :)

Will anyone actually use it? I assume there must be special rates on the tram since parking is easy enough around Malin Bridge without the silly little car park.

We've been informed by SYPTE that the new Park and Ride will be open next Monday (November 6th).

Didn't get an explanation for the delay - still - I suppose it's summer 2006 somewhere... :DThat's exciting, what's the betting it will cause a jam outside whilst cars queue to get into the hundred or so parking spaces. The delay has been caused by the fact that the workers there hardly do any work as has been observed many times.

Wonder how long it will take to get a car out of there in the evening rush hour ?

You know, I was just thinking the same.

The jams on Holme Lane are pretty bad already (at times). It can only get worse:(.


since parking is easy enough around Malin Bridge without the silly little car park.

What's the betting that the council will be round with some little pots of yellow paint sometime in the near future to create more restrictions.

No one working there late this morning. I did see some blokes standing on the pavement one day last week but they didn't seem to be working, they were leaning on various things.

We live across from the park and ride and its a sweepstake in our house as to how many holes they are going to dig along the length of the car park and look in to!! Thats all they ever seem to do!! I dread to think of the congestion when it opens, and as for pedestrians trying to get across the entrance/exit, especially mums with children, its going to be a nightmare.

Jayne

I live across from Malin Bridge Park & Ride & I must agree with Planner 1 on this it's nowt to do with the council but South Yorkshire PTA & their contractors. I have had a few run ins with the workers starting at ridiculous hours etc & I was very impressed with how seriously Environmental Health took my concerns. The first time I rang they got in contact with SYPTA within an hour & got back to me. By the next day I had a form to fill in to monitor their activity. The second time I complained they also contacted them quickly & kept me informed.
However I do agree that they are taking an age to finish it. I was told after the initial work there would be a break for a couple of weeks then two more weeks work then it would be open but this is nearly 3 months since.
I'm dreading the traffic & noise once opened as it's loud enough already. I was told also there will be a toilet block there so that could potentially attract trouble unless they lock them up at night.
Lois

It's open this morning, it costs £3.60 a day including unlimited tram travel, dunno how you get ticket though. This project cos 500 grand ffs.

Yeh & they had a drinks & cake party yesterdat pm with photos to celebrate!
They didn't invite me though so I was going to do my best Jim Royle impression & go across & say drinks party my arse:hihi:
It took till this pm to start being used , probably be full of football fans as it's free until 14th November:rant:
Does anyone know what's happening about the toilet block they said said would be erected?
Lois

Yeh & they had a drinks & cake party yesterdat pm with photos to celebrate!
You're joking.

I worked for the Council for 20 years, so when you insult them you insult me. If you saw the difficulties involved and the effort that goes into what the Council does, you might not be as quick to criticise. Everything is done for a good reason, the fact that you don't understand why or don't agree with what's been done doesn't make things hare-brained or a waste of money. Sheffied Council do a good job, particularly bearing in mind the limited resources they have.

The thing is it's much easier to slag things off that you know nothing about and many people on this forum seem to specialize in that.

Reasoned argument and fact don't matter to these people.

No there was about twenty of them, the pictures will probably be in the star tonight so keep a look out.
Lois

No there was about twenty of them, the pictures will probably be in the star tonight so keep a look out.
LoisWell that's pathetic, they have no shame and that's a one reason why we have the opinions criticised by Liberty Bell (yes I know it's not the council).

Well that's pathetic, they have no shame and that's a one reason why we have the opinions criticised by Liberty Bell (yes I know it's not the council).

Our opinions count for nothing when dealing with the council, as aluded to in this post (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1658857#81) by an ex-council employee:(.

Our opinions count for nothing when dealing with the council, as aluded to in this post (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1658857#81) by an ex-council employee:(.

The council is in place cos the people of Sheffield voted for them. They in turn employe people. A bit like a company with a board of directors. A proportion of residents pay council tax which is spent in Sheffield. Decisions have to be made how the money is spent, and some of the decisions are very limited because of government guidelines and legislation.

I'd be astonished if anyone in Sheffield is 100% happy with all the decisions that are made by the council. I would like new road and pavement surfaces on my street, and a better selection of books in the library. I'd also like the tramgates at Hillsborough corner not to be in operation at weekends. However, most of us do appreciate that whilst things may not suit us personally, there is often a good reason why are done or not done. Although the council listen to opinions, to try and take on board everyones' wish list would be impossible, so they are always in a no win situation. If I was as dissatisfied as some people seem to be, I think I'd try and change things by getting myself elected. If the council decisions are so unpopular perhaps the voters are ready for a change?

A councillor gave us some facts on the thread about Frightnight (thanks Redrobbo) but before he found out the reality, which he did very quickly, people were already moaning about the council, purely based on a rumour someone had started! That was opinion versus fact I believe.

The council is in place cos the people of Sheffield voted for them. They in turn employe people.

I think I'd try and change things by getting myself elected. If the council decisions are so unpopular perhaps the voters are ready for a change?

The employees don't change when there is an election and the day to day running of these inefficient organisations carries on unabated regardless of who is in charge.

Councillors are unpaid and no person who has the business acumen to run an enterprise with a mega million pound budget would be a councillor.

The public see and read about hare brained schemes all the time and the same excuse is always trailed out, lack of resources. It's not lack of resources, it's a lack of good organisation.

Working for the council is a cushy job with it's index linked pensions, slack discipline etc it's a job for life if they want it and then the employees have the audacity to complain when they are criticised.

[QUOTE=Darbees]The employees don't change when there is an election and the day to day running of these inefficient organisations carries on unabated regardless of who is in charge. They are a lot tighter than they used to be, but I agree about some of the employees. I worked for a nationalised industry in the early 80s, now that was an easy life! Then it was privatised, and we had to work for our money.
Councillors are unpaid and no person who has the business acumen to run an enterprise with a mega million pound budget would be a councillor. There may be an argument there for doing away with elected councils all together, and just paying people to run cities and towns like businesses - any thoughts?
The public see and read about hare brained schemes all the time and the same excuse is always trailed out, lack of resources. It's not lack of resources, it's a lack of good organisation. Both can play a part. I suppose some schemes seem hare brained, a lot depends on personal opinion or if one is affected. Residents' parking for instance, some residents are for it, others are against. How do you please everyone?Working for the council is a cushy job with it's index linked pensions, slack discipline etc it's a job for life if they want it and then the employees have the audacity to complain when they are criticised. You seem well informed about working conditions, do you work for the council by any chance? I used to worked for a local authority, and many of the staff really tried to do their best for customers, but being on the front line, are usually the lowest paid, and take the most abuse. There is good and bad management in local government, nationalised industry and private companies. [QUOTE]

Sort your post out dear, I'm not reading that.

Looks like a council job.

Working for the council is a cushy job with it's index linked pensions, slack discipline etc it's a job for life if they want it and then the employees have the audacity to complain when they are criticised.

I think you ought to try working for the Council, it's nothing of the sort!

Sort your post out dear, I'm not reading that.

Looks like a council job.
I didn't make a very good job of it did I? Nothing to do with the council though - messed it up all on my own! :help:

I think you ought to try working for the Council, it's nothing of the sort!Ok I'll send in my CV, not much on it though cos I've worked for myself since 1982 , perhaps we could do a job swap and then we would both be more qualified to comment. I'd have to learn the procedures such as how to send internal memos for a new post it note pad or a request in triplicate for a strip of staples of course but I'm eager and willing.

At present I am considering selling up and I would work for the council if an opportunity presented itself. I know plenty of people who work for the council and it is a cushy number, they have no idea of what life is like in a business that needs to get results and make a profit rather than some pointless "target" that someone has made up but with no sanctions if no one reachs it.

You seem well informed about working conditions, do you work for the council by any chance? I I should be so lucky.

Ok I'll send in my CV, not much on it though cos I've worked for myself since 1982 , perhaps we could do a job swap and then we would both be more qualified to comment. I'd have to learn the procedures such as how to send internal memos for a new post it note pad or a request in triplicate for a strip of staples of course but I'm eager and willing.

At present I am considering selling up and I would work for the council if an opportunity presented itself. I know plenty of people who work for the council and it is a cushy number, they have no idea of what life is like in a business that needs to get results and make a profit rather than some pointless "target" that someone has made up but with no sanctions if no one reachs it.

I should be so lucky.

You'll notice that I'm not commenting on your job or line of business activity because I know nothing of what you do.

You're slagging off Council workers with no personal experience and only some heresay to base your (extemely inaccurate) assumptions on. Working for Local Authorities 20 or 30 years ago might have been a relatively easy number, but it certainly isn't now.

I know plenty of peope who work in private industry, doing similar jobs to me, working for private consultants. Many of them will tell you it is easier working in private industry! They don't have to contend with the public, politicians and government. Your attitude is typical of many people who haven't got the first idea what it's like to work for a public organisation.

Those meaningless targets you're on about are actiually very relevant because the Council's future funding depends upon them. People do actually check up on them. For example, would you believe that recently the Government had an inspector in Sheffield (and other places) checking the height of kerb upstands on dropped crossings at traffic signals / pedestrian crossings. Having them at the right height is part of one of the Government targets and they will cut your funding if you get it wrong! That is just one example of the many many targets and indicators Councils MUST work to.

This is what's wrong with the country: half of it's doing pointless things, and the other half is monitoring how they do it, getting them to fill in a feedback sheet, and assessing its health and safety implications.

You'll notice that I'm not commenting on your job or line of business activity because I know nothing of what you do.I'm not spending public funds to run my business and so I'm not accountable in the same way so you don't need to know that.

You're slagging off Council workers with no personal experience and only some heresay to base your (extemely inaccurate) assumptions on. I have to deal with public authorities through my work both as customers and through various legislation I am required to comply with. I pay around 6k a year or this privilege. I also socialise with various people with jobs ranging from gardening, binmen, building inspectors, planning officer, civil engineers, library bus person, and various titles which I don't understand. We chat about our work and I draw various conclusions from that as well as from my work dealings, day to day observations and the media.


Those meaningless targets you're on about are actiually very relevant because the Council's future funding depends upon them. People do actually check up on them. For example, would you believe that recently the Government had an inspector in Sheffield (and other places) checking the height of kerb upstands on dropped crossings at traffic signals / pedestrian crossings. Having them at the right height is part of one of the Government targets and they will cut your funding if you get it wrong! That is just one example of the many many targets and indicators Councils MUST work to.Looking from outside it is truly ridiculous that one government organisation is penalised by another.

I would add that none of this is directed to you personally but you have set yourself up on here as a mouthpiece for the council and provide some very interesting information about the councils activities, frustrating though some of it sounds. As a spokesman for the council you have a tendency to blame things on other authorities such as SYPTE on this thread, other government depts elsewhere, legislation etc, that is a cop out really. The man in the street pays his taxes into the same state pot and all of these departments are same to us.

I'm not spending public funds to run my business and so I'm not accountable in the same way so you don't need to know that.

I have to deal with public authorities through my work both as customers and through various legislation I am required to comply with. I pay around 6k a year or this privilege. I also socialise with various people with jobs ranging from gardening, binmen, building inspectors, planning officer, civil engineers, library bus person, and various titles which I don't understand. We chat about our work and I draw various conclusions from that as well as from my work dealings, day to day observations and the media.


Looking from outside it is truly ridiculous that one government organisation is penalised by another.

I would add that none of this is directed to you personally but you have set yourself up on here as a mouthpiece for the council and provide some very interesting information about the councils activities, frustrating though some of it sounds. As a spokesman for the council you have a tendency to blame things on other authorities such as SYPTE on this thread, other government depts elsewhere, legislation etc, that is a cop out really. The man in the street pays his taxes into the same state pot and all of these departments are same to us.

I'd like to make it clear that I don't work for the Council anymore and you should not regard anything I say as being the Council's view. I can still provide info on what the Council is doing as I have many contacts there and considerable background knowledge. Any views expressed are my own.

I don't recall "blaming" SYPTE for anything, merely pointing out that they are building the park & ride, not the Council. How is pointing out that people are blaming the Council for something being done by a completely separate organisation a "cop-out"? There is a tendancy to blame the Council for many ills over which it has no control.

Just because you know a few people who work for public authorities it doesn't make it right for you to make sweeping negative generalisations about all public servants. My experience is that they are dedicated and hard working and do not deserve much of the negative comments they receive.

My experience is that they are dedicated and hard working and do not deserve much of the negative comments they receive.

Whereas in my experience, they deserve all the negative comments they receive:thumbsup:

Thought I'd resurrect this. The other day I counted 10 cars in the car park which must surely be a record. I notice they have spent several weeks building a tiny shack at the end of the car park. Are some of those who think it was a good idea going to admit it's a white elephant yet or do we have to wait even longer to prove the obvious.

Thought I'd resurrect this. The other day I counted 10 cars in the car park which must surely be a record. I notice they have spent several weeks building a tiny shack at the end of the car park. Are some of those who think it was a good idea going to admit it's a white elephant yet or do we have to wait even longer to prove the obvious.

The skater boys seem to think the place was a good idea, maybe if they charged for kids to hang out in there and skate then the place might pull a few quid back.

I tried to use it when it first opened but the bar is 2cm lower than my cars maximum height.

Now that they seem to have finally finished the shed and fence at the end of the car park I see that there is now a banner on the fence offering £1 a day parking. What sort of a business invests £500,000 + running costs in something which only generates £100 a day if fully utilised?

When the notice first went up about £1.00 a day there were a lot more cars in the car park but now it's gone down to about 10 on a good day. Makes you wonder at their business strategy.:loopy:

When the notice first went up about £1.00 a day there were a lot more cars in the car park but now it's gone down to about 10 on a good day. Makes you wonder at their business strategy.:loopy:They clearly haven't got one and they are lucky they have jobs that don't seem to need one and they can put their fanciful ideas into practise regardless of the fact that it is obvious that it won't work. As was stated in this thread months ago it was clear to anyone with an ounce of common sense that it was going to be a white elephant and that has so far proved to be the case.

The reason it's bound to be a white elephant is that the whole Malin Bridge spur of the tram system is also a white elephant.

The reason it's bound to be a white elephant is that the whole Malin Bridge spur of the tram system is also a white elephant.

Not that much of a white elephant, on a weekday the tram gets quite full from there early in the morning for the workers.

Councillors are unpaid ...
Councillors are definately not unpaid, and I certainly couldn't afford to do it if I wasn't paid. Councillors in Sheffield get paid between £10,500 and £25,500 depending on position. Last year's amounts are at http://mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Council/Pay/2005/

Not that much of a white elephant, on a weekday the tram gets quite full from there early in the morning for the workers.

Pretty much all of whom could have just as easily got on at Hillsborough.

Pretty much all of whom could have just as easily got on at Hillsborough.

But by the time the tram gets to Hillsborough from Middlewood theres little or no chance of a seat and its like a cattle truck. :D

But by the time the tram gets to Hillsborough from Middlewood theres little or no chance of a seat and its like a cattle truck. :D

Thats exactly what my mate says he works on trams and says even at 7am they can be packed and a lot of passengers have said to him they get on at malin bridge so they can get a seat. it also gets busy on a tea time. will have to ask him if they are still charging £1 a day

But by the time the tram gets to Hillsborough from Middlewood theres little or no chance of a seat and its like a cattle truck. :D

But if you didn't have the Malin Bridge spur you could have twice as many trams going out to Middlewood. Then you might get a seat.

But if you didn't have the Malin Bridge spur you could have twice as many trams going out to Middlewood. Then you might get a seat.

Possibly, but they won't do that. At least with the MB spur when the tram breaks down at Middlewood they can still run to Hillsborough and back. :thumbsup:

Well I know they won't do it now, but what I'm saying is the Malin Bridge spur ought never to have been built in the first place. If it wasn't there you might even be able to get down Holme Lane at more than 1 mph.

The original idea when the tram was put in, and presumably one which is now about to come back to the fore again with the enforcing of the tram gate, is that the Holme Lane/Bradfield Road direction was going to be the preferred direction of travel through Hillsborough Corner. Trouble is, even at times other than rush hour, traffic is pretty much always continually jammed up along Holme Lane in both directions. Going towards Towsure there appear to be two reasons for this: firstly the lights at the end by Towsure, and secondly the fact that a lot of the people who have to come down Walkley Lane over the little bridge really want to go towards Middlewood and so try to turn right up one of the roads off Holme Lane, causing traffic to back up behind them. While I agree with previous posters that the traffic through Hillsborough Corner along the Town/Middlewood axis was always pretty sluggish, to my recollection it was never that bad along Holme Lane until the tram (and the tramgate) were installed.

I think the original idea was to take the tram up to Stannington but from what I've been told the residents objected.This would make more sense to why it does turn the corner at Hillborough just for one stop. As I live at Malin Bridge and my house would probably have been demolished if that happened I'm grateful for the terminus there but it does seem a bit of a wasteful in the overall scheme of things.

See this thread, http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=220719 for what needs to happen to solve Hillsborough's traffic nightmare!

Well I know they won't do it now, but what I'm saying is the Malin Bridge spur ought never to have been built in the first place. If it wasn't there you might even be able to get down Holme Lane at more than 1 mph.
The original idea when the tram was put in, and presumably one which is now about to come back to the fore again with the enforcing of the tram gate, is that the Holme Lane/Bradfield Road direction was going to be the preferred direction of travel through Hillsborough Corner. Trouble is, even at times other than rush hour, traffic is pretty much always continually jammed up along Holme Lane in both directions. Going towards Towsure there appear to be two reasons for this: firstly the lights at the end by Towsure, and secondly the fact that a lot of the people who have to come down Walkley Lane over the little bridge really want to go towards Middlewood and so try to turn right up one of the roads off Holme Lane, causing traffic to back up behind them. While I agree with previous posters that the traffic through Hillsborough Corner along the Town/Middlewood axis was always pretty sluggish, to my recollection it was never that bad along Holme Lane until the tram (and the tramgate) were installed.

I dont think you can blame the congestion on Holme Lane on the trams. Before the trams ran along Holme Lane, there was less traffic on the roads anyway.

Also people wanting to go to Middlewood side of Hillsborough (from Langsett Road) have no choice but to go down Walkley Lane and then turn off at Holme Lane. That will only get worse when the tram/busgates are enforced.

Lets face it the whole traffic "management" system in Hillsborough is a nightmare :rant:

I've never had the privilege of using a tram in Sheffield although I do have the privilege of sharing that spur of road with them. Would I be correct in saying that there are no stops between the terminus and Hillsborough corner? The trams don't seem to hold the traffic up on that bit apart from the lights by the terminus being red for too long when a tram is about to pass through.

As I live at Malin Bridge and my house would probably have been demolished if that happened I'm grateful for the terminus there

All the houses and businesses within the Holme Lane/Loxley New Road "triangle" would've been squashed.

I've never had the privilege of using a tram in Sheffield although I do have the privilege of sharing that spur of road with them.

You have my sympathies:(.


Would I be correct in saying that there are no stops between the terminus and Hillsborough corner?

You would, indeed, be correct:thumbsup:


The trams don't seem to hold the traffic up on that bit apart from the lights by the terminus being red for too long when a tram is about to pass through.

They do seen to stay on red a rather long time (I take it you mean the lights at the bottom of Ball Rd?).

All the houses and businesses within the Holme Lane/Loxley New Road "triangle" would've been squashed.

Not at all. The tram is designed to go around relatively tight corners and Loxley New Road is easily wide enough to take the tram although there may be some loss of car parking space.

I dont think you can blame the congestion on Holme Lane on the trams. Before the trams ran along Holme Lane, there was less traffic on the roads anyway.

Also people wanting to go to Middlewood side of Hillsborough (from Langsett Road) have no choice but to go down Walkley Lane and then turn off at Holme Lane. That will only get worse when the tram/busgates are enforced.

Lets face it the whole traffic "management" system in Hillsborough is a nightmare :rant:

That's exactly what I'm saying though - they don't have any choice. Before the tram system was put in, they did have a choice (going through Hillsborough Corner). And before the tram there weren't any lights at the end of Ball Rd by Towsure (because before then, nobody would have gone down Taplin Rd to end up there). Hence yes indeed, I can blame it on the tram - if there was no tramgate, there'd be no congestion on Holme Lane.

Not at all. The tram is designed to go around relatively tight corners and Loxley New Road is easily wide enough to take the tram although there may be some loss of car parking space.

We took a petition to Downing Street because the council were planning on squashing everything from the houses next to the Malin Bridge, right through to the cafe on the corner, which would've meant a lot of businesses being forced to close:(

We took a petition to Downing Street because the council were planning on squashing everything from the houses next to the Malin Bridge, right through to the cafe on the corner, which would've meant a lot of businesses being forced to close:(

I remember this but the tram is easily able to integrate into the existing road system. The thinking at the time was that it was probably cheaper to demolish all those properties to enable a double line to go straight up Stannington Road than to take the tram around the existing one way system. What lunacy!!!

Does anyone know what time the park and ride at Malin Bridge closes. I am going to town tonight and will be coming back about 10ish.

Thank you

details in this leaflet (http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=2129&libID=2127)

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details in this leaflet (http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/WorkArea/linkit.aspx?LinkIdentifier=id&ItemID=2129&libID=2127)

if that link doesnt work click on "see our sheffield park and ride leaflet" here (http://www.travelsouthyorkshire.com/parkandridesheffield/)

Thank you for that. Still can't find what time it closes. Do you think I can safely presume it's open all day/night :suspect:

All the tram park & rides allow exit 24 hours, just remember that if you go beyond midnight you may have to pay for a second days parking!

All the tram park & rides allow exit 24 hours, just remember that if you go beyond midnight you may have to pay for a second days parking!

Thank you for that. It certainly won't be after midnight!! lol