I was wondering if anyone knows any unusual facts about Sheffield?

http://www.yorkshire-forward.com/www/view.asp?content_id=86&parent_id=81

whats unusual about that link

Sheffield is the cheapist place for crack cocaine FACT

whats unusual about that link

I don't know what . it's in blue maybe :rolleyes:

good answer

It has the best forum in england now that is unusual

Sheffield is the cheapist place for crack cocaine FACT

and how do you know that?? :hihi:

Ooh I've got one - did you know that Sheffield made steel :o !

How dont i????

I was once told that when a new model of bus comes out, they test drive it in Sheffield due to all the hills.

Sheffield is the cheapist place for crack cocaine FACT

Pretty sure it's cheaper in Bogota than Sheffield, actually.

Up until 1990, it was the largest city in the world that did not have an airport...

It is (allegedly), along with Rome, the only two cities in the world to be built on seven hills.

It’s situated in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Up until 1990, it was the largest city in the world that did not have an airport...

It is (allegedly), along with Rome, the only two cities in the world to be built on seven hills.
Can we still call it an airport,when in use it was a very Mickey Mouse operation.

A workforce of over 1 million people live within one hour's drive of the City

Stainless steel (over 500,000 tonnes per year) - invented in Sheffield by Harry Brearley in 1913

Liquorice Allsorts - Sheffield's sweet makers, Cadbury Trebor Bassett, celebrated 100 years of production on 8th June 1999

Hendersons Relish - invented about 120 years ago and still produced in Sheffield using a secret recipe

Surgical blades - over half of the world's surgical blades are made in Sheffield

It is (allegedly), along with Rome, the only two cities in the world to be built on seven hills.
pretty sure istanbul is aswell

Up until the latter part of the 19th century, it was smaller than Rotherham.

1) Sheffield has 2 tower cranes for every person.
2) Until 5 years ago this fact was 2 trees for every person.
3) I imagine at some point very soon we will have 2 luxury flats for every person.

A workforce of over 1 million people live within one hour's drive of the City
That's only 2 miles with today's traffic.

we are one of only a few with a supertram and (most of the time) a cheap enough bus service compared to most,we once had a hole in the road which i miss oh those little fishes,id have to say there are some "unusual" people around especially in the city centre like the aformention blonde woman in town with a stick kind of people.

We have a blonde haired hooded woman asking for money !!!!

It's the only city in England where the working class folk have been forced out to make room for the students.

We have a blonde haired hooded woman asking for money !!!!
you havent had the pleasure i guess, how lucky you are.:suspect:

1) Sheffielders buy fewer bars of soap per person than any other British City.

2) The Magna Carta was not signed at Runnymede, but at Dore station.

3) There are more persciptions for Viagra in Sheffield than in any other city in Europe.

4) Sheffield has more parking attendants than doctors.

5) Sheffield Council was voted the worst local council for eight years running from 1996 onwards.

6) Sheffield has more student related A+E admissions than any other city in the world.

A workforce of over 1 million people live within one hour's drive of the City

Providing they dont use the Parkway ??:hihi:

It is (allegedly), along with Rome, the only two cities in the world to be built on seven hills.
Oh no, don't start them on that one again, and please nobody mention tunnels:thumbsup:

Oh no, don't start them on that one again, and please nobody mention tunnels:thumbsup:

Sheffield has 8756 miles of secret tunnels under the city. Despite an online discussion involving 400 people over 6 years. someone has yet to find the entrance.


On a more serious note, I was listening the the wireless the other day and they were discussing artificial joints, particularly hips. It seems that these were invented here, or at least the modern version now used by everyone. Sheffield continues to be the main centre for such joints. I gather this is because there is a teaching hospital and precision engineering, or was when they were invented. If someone invents something exciting at the hospitals this year then I hope they can get a call centre worker to make it.

Oh no, don't start them on that one again, and please nobody mention tunnels:thumbsup:

Nobody had mentioned them until you!

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/facts-figures

Facts & Figures

How many people live in Sheffield? What happened at the last Council elections? You'll find all sorts of surprising information about the city in this zone. Use the links on the left to choose a category, but did you know that Sheffield is first for ...

..... Culture

Famous musical performers from Sheffield include Pulp, Joe Cocker, Def Leppard and the Human League

7.2% of Sheffield's working population are employed in the creative industries, well above the national average of 4%

Guardian readers recently voted Sheffield's Showroom their favourite independent cinema

The Crucible Theatre won the prestigious title of Barclays Theatre of the Year 2001

..... Living

Sheffield is one of the safest cities in the UK (according to Government statistics)

One third of Sheffield is within the Peak District National Park (no other UK city has a national park within its boundary)

Sheffield is England's greenest city, containing 150 woodlands and 50 public parks

Half of the city's population live within 15 minutes of open countryside

..... Learning

The University of Sheffield was voted Sunday Times University of the Year 2001/02

Sheffield was voted Most Popular UK Student Destination (Virgin)

Sheffield's two Universities teach more than 45,000 students

Sheffield Hallam University is the only new University chosen to pioneer Britain's new international e-university project - alongside Cambridge and York

Sheffield College is the largest further education college in Europe

..... Sport

The first Football rule book was produced in Sheffield in 1857

Sheffield Football Club is the oldest football club in the world - traditional rivals Hallam FC has the oldest football ground

Sheffield's Crucible Theatre has hosted the World Professional Snooker Championships every year since 1977

The Sheffield Ski Village is Europe's largest outdoor artificial ski resort

Opened in 2003, Sheffield is the home of the National Ice Centre, iceSheffield

..... Investment

Sheffield offers the highest level of funding assistance anywhere in Europe for inward investors

A workforce of over 1 million people live within one hour's drive of the City

Established and growing areas of expertise include metals and glass technology, biosciences, medical technology and creative industries

Major organisations who have recently established new operations in Sheffield include Dixons, William Hill, Royal Mail and Insight

The City Centre is undergoing major redevelopment, through key projects such as the new Retail Quarter and the E campus, a high technology business park

..... Made in Sheffield

Stainless steel (over 500,000 tonnes per year) - invented in Sheffield by Harry Brearley in 1913

Liquorice Allsorts - Sheffield's sweet makers, Cadbury Trebor Bassett, celebrated 100 years of production on 8th June 1999

Hendersons Relish - invented about 120 years ago and still produced in Sheffield using a secret recipe

Surgical blades - over half of the world's surgical blades are made in Sheffield

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield

Can we still call it an airport,when in use it was a very Mickey Mouse operation.


"Robin Hood Airport Doncaster Sheffield – over 2 million people are expected to use it by 2014."...if only.....but somehow I don't think so....:suspect:

Oopps thought it said Sheffield airport..DOH...

Evidence of some of Britain's earliest human occupation can be found in the caves at Creswell Crags to the west of Sheffield. It shows the signs of Ice Age middle Paleolithic cave-dwellers (43,000 to 10,000 BC), who left artifacts and rock art dating to more than 12,800 years ago.

Loads more fascinating stuff here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sheffield

Up until 1990, it was the largest city in the world that did not have an airport...

We still don't, do we....?



1) Sheffield has 2 tower cranes for every person.
2) Until 5 years ago this fact was 2 trees for every person.
3) I imagine at some point very soon we will have 2 luxury flats for every person.

:hihi: too true... and thus the cheapest 'luxury' apartments in the country.



We have a blonde haired hooded woman asking for money !!!!


The one with the crutch? Who's always a bit short for the bus...?


.

Not sure on the accuracy of these but i heard them somewhere!

Sheffield has the most hairderessers of any city in the UK in relation to population

Sheffield also has the most 'private' or vanity number plates of any city in UK

We are Europe's largest City that does NOT have a Prison.

Sheffield was voted last year Europe's Greenest City.

From May 2007, Sheffield will be the biggest city in England not to have a Premiership football team. :hihi:

Sheffield was voted last year Europe's Greenest City.
I want to establish that this is a reference to the abundance of trees, rather than the city’s political environmentalism. Unfortunately this 21st century city STILL doesn't even have glass or plastic recycling collections.. :shakes:

... double post

you havent had the pleasure i guess, how lucky you are.:suspect:
Yeah, I had the pleasure in May. Great !!!

The Magna Carta was not signed at Runnymede, but at Dore station.
I believe this is a misconception about the Magna Carta, which was drawn up in 1215 to establish the limits of the power of the king (then King John) and his barons.

What I think you are referring to is the much earlier Battle of Dore between Mercia and Northumbria, which is a possible point in history where England had it's first king, and thus began. From wikipedia:

The earliest known written record of the Sheffield district is an entry for the year 829 in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, which refers to the submission of King Eanred of Northumbria to King Egbert of Wessex at the hamlet of Dore (now a suburb of Sheffield): "Egbert led an army against the Northumbrians as far as Dore, where they met him, and offered terms of obedience and subjection, on the acceptance of which they returned home". This event made Egbert the first Saxon to claim to be king of all of England.

Meadowhall was designed so that if the shopping centre were not to be successful it could be easily and cheaply converted into a prison - allegedly

Meadowhall was designed so that if the shopping centre were not to be successful it could be easily and cheaply converted into a prison - allegedly
There's no allegedly about it.. they wouldn't have to change owt. :hihi:

"...There's no such place as Sheffield!"


.

If sheffield had the first football team, who did they play?

And its not (and never will be) the largest city without a premeirship football team-Nottingham (my home town) noramlly manages to hold that honour!!

Vicki xx

Nobody had mentioned them until you!
Damn! :headbang:

1) Sheffielders buy fewer bars of soap per person than any other British City.

2) The Magna Carta was not signed at Runnymede, but at Dore station.

3) There are more persciptions for Viagra in Sheffield than in any other city in Europe.

4) Sheffield has more parking attendants than doctors.

5) Sheffield Council was voted the worst local council for eight years running from 1996 onwards.

6) Sheffield has more student related A+E admissions than any other city in the world.


how do you know all these facts ? or are you making them up:huh:

If sheffield had the first football team, who did they play?

And its not (and never will be) the largest city without a premeirship football team-Nottingham (my home town) noramlly manages to hold that honour!!

Vicki xx

Sheffield FC is the world's oldest football club. So many people joined this club that they created teams from the members, so early matches were married men vs singles, tradespeople vs professionals. I suspect that if you go to a sporting club, e.g. tennis or chess, you may find the members playing amongst themselves.

We have a homeless man who sits outside Spar on Barkers Pool askin for change with a healthy lookin terrier dog with him......................I dont get it.

Sheffield has the largest difference in health and life expectancy between areas of THE SAME CITY in Europe.

It's the only city in England where the working class folk have been forced out to make room for the students.

No it isn’t. Manchester’s been the worst offender. People ousted from their homes and shoved on estates not even within the city! All for the sake of prestige.

how do you know all these facts ? or are you making them up:huh:

Yes, you caught me, they are all made up... I didn't realise I was being that subtle.

No it isn’t. Manchester’s been the worst offender. People ousted from their homes and shoved on estates not even within the city! All for the sake of prestige.

Probably more for the sake of money, than prestige.

If sheffield had the first football team, who did they play?

And its not (and never will be) the largest city without a premeirship football team-Nottingham (my home town) noramlly manages to hold that honour!!

Vicki xx

Wrong, I think. Bradford, population 450,000 no premiership club; City of Salford, 300,000, no premiership club; City of Nottingham (not Greater Nottingham) 278, 700.

Wrong, I think. Bradford, population 450,000 no premiership club; City of Salford, 300,000, no premiership club; City of Nottingham (not Greater Nottingham) 278, 700.

Leeds (443,247)too, don't forget them. Bristol (420,556), Leicester (330,574), Coventry (303,475), Hull (301,416), Cardiff (292,150), Stoke (259,252), Wolverhampton (251,462)... All come before Nottingham (249,584).

I read somewhere that Sheffield is the place where Subaru sell's the most Ipressive turbo thingy cars in the whole country

Sheffield has 8756 miles of secret tunnels under the city. Despite an online discussion involving 400 people over 6 years. someone has yet to find the entrance.

Evidence of some of Britain's earliest human occupation can be found in the caves at Creswell Crags to the west of Sheffield. It shows the signs of Ice Age middle Paleolithic cave-dwellers (43,000 to 10,000 BC), who left artifacts and rock art dating to more than 12,800 years ago.


Clearly the Paleolithic men found the entrance to tunnels in the caves at Creswell Crags.

Problem solved :thumbsup:

In the Chapeltown area of Sheffield.
In the 1920's, any man who was unemployed, had to go to the labour exchange in Chapeltown.

Evidence of some of Britain's earliest human occupation can be found in the caves at Creswell Crags to the west of Sheffield. It shows the signs of Ice Age middle Paleolithic cave-dwellers (43,000 to 10,000 BC), who left artifacts and rock art dating to more than 12,800 years ago.

Loads more fascinating stuff here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sheffield

Cresswell is EAST of Sheffield

Leeds (443,247)too, don't forget them. Bristol (420,556), Leicester (330,574), Coventry (303,475), Hull (301,416), Cardiff (292,150), Stoke (259,252), Wolverhampton (251,462)... All come before Nottingham (249,584).

Thanks for that. I couldn’t be bothered and thought just a couple would do, but yes — rub it in by all means.

It is the only city in the world that has direct decendency to Chuck Norris's great great great great grandfather.

I saw a giant tortoise roaming freely in the Botanical Gardens near Ecclesall Rd which had vanished when I returned 15 mins later with my friend. It was 2-3 foot long. True.

plus I saw Jeff Buckley play in a pub near Penistone Road.

I heard at any one time they always have 3000 body bags in meadowhall incase of a terrorist attack.:( Can anyone confirm this?

When Sheffield United play in Sheffield Wednesday’s colours they lose — as does Sheffield Wednesday!

I heard at any one time they always have 3000 body bags in meadowhall incase of a terrorist attack.:( Can anyone confirm this?

Shouldn’t think so. Meadowhell is probably the bottom of the list when it comes to terrorism. For one thing I doubt they’ve ever heard of the place, and for another if they really want to cause terror the best plan is to leave it where it is.

I heard at any one time they always have 3000 body bags in meadowhall incase of a terrorist attack.:( Can anyone confirm this?

Yes, i've heard many times that Meadowhall has thousands of bodybags in case anything terrible happens.

I was once told that when a new model of bus comes out, they test drive it in Sheffield due to all the hills.

That was true when it was S.Y.P.T.E. i dont know if they still do.

I heard at any one time they always have 3000 body bags in meadowhall incase of a terrorist attack.:( Can anyone confirm this?

Urban Myth, it was infact 300 dry cleaning bags for Sketchleys at the (then) 'Sainsbury Sava-Centre'

Urban Myth, it was infact 300 dry cleaning bags for Sketchleys at the (then) 'Sainsbury Sava-Centre'

Indeed, it was a delivery of suit-bags, and it wouldn't make sense to fill a place with bodybags incase it was blown up... wouldn't the bodybags be blown up anyway? If they were stored in a basement or something, who would risk their lives going into a blown up building to get some bodybags? A moments thought kinda dispells this myth.

Sheffield is the only city in the country which lies directly on top of an extinct underground volcano.

Indeed, it was a delivery of suit-bags, and it wouldn't make sense to fill a place with bodybags incase it was blown up... wouldn't the bodybags be blown up anyway? If they were stored in a basement or something, who would risk their lives going into a blown up building to get some bodybags? A moments thought kinda dispells this myth.
Aye, guess I just didn't have that moment....
Thanks though

Sheffield is the only city in the country terrorised by a blonde haired woman asking for money with a crutch ....

Cresswell is EAST of Sheffield
You're absolutely right, and I knew it too - it was the 'History Of Sheffield' info I cut & pasted from wikipedia that got it wrong. I'm just correcting the entry now..

PS. It's spelt Creswell. ;)

Sheffield is the only city in the country terrorised by a blonde haired woman asking for money with a crutch ....


so, she'll only take money if it has a crutch? :hihi:

how do we find a crutch small enough to help disabled money? : hihi:

Wasnt Sheffield once the only city to have an elephant working in one of its foundrys?
Im sorry if this has been mentioned already, but im too lazy to read the entire thread.

plus I saw Jeff Buckley play in a pub near Penistone Road.

When was this?

Sheffield has more brain donors living here than anywhere else in the world.:)

Sheffield isnt actually built on 7 hills as many people believe.
Its built on 5 dips...



Yes ive been at the nescafe again...

It is the only city in the world that when looked at from a satellite looks like a unicorn being attacked by a giant, angry, Plasticine tadpole.

It is the only city in britain that has a town hall called 'sheffield town hall.'

i think there are only 3 cities built on seven hills, Rome, Sheffield and somewhere in Kazakhstan, i think. Maybe im wrong.

pretty sure istanbul is aswell


Edinburgh is definitely built on 7 hills too.

Can anyone name the hills that Sheffield is built on?

Edinburgh is definitely built on 7 hills too.

my informant shall be punished :hihi:

Can anyone name the hills that Sheffield is built on?

is it not hill 1, hill 2, hill 3.......:)

the murderer john christie (watch the film 10 rillington place based on him) was from sheffield

sheffield was a major target for russian nukes if the cold war ever started

the murderer john christie (watch the film 10 rillington place based on him) was from sheffield
He was not from Sheffied,although his sister lived in Page Hall.

He was not from Sheffied,although his sister lived in Page Hall.
I thought it was his wife who was a sheffielder, and whose sister lived in page hall?

the murderer john christie (watch the film 10 rillington place based on him) was from sheffield

You sure your not confusing him with Tony Christie?

Anyway, heres my fact.....


Sheffield was discovered in 1347 by a Spanish missionary , Juan Pablo De Vila Sanchez.Domingo.Estaban.The 3rd.

He originally named the city "El-Puento" which literally means "The city of Donkey dumplings"

I thought it was his wife who was a sheffielder, and whose sister lived in page hall?
You are correct his wife's sister lived in Sheffield.

Edinburgh is definitely built on 7 hills too.

I was going to say Edinburgh is as well, until I noticed your post, Pritt Stick.

But then I decided to say it anyway :thumbsup:

StarSparkle :)

Also another City built on an extinct volcano!

Coinsidence?

Also another City built on an extinct volcano!

Coinsidence?

Cue spooky music

StarSparkle :)

Played by bagpipes I hope ;)

I was wondering if anyone knows any unusual facts about Sheffield?

If all the girls in Wybourn were laid end to end, I wouldn't be at all surprised....

There are more trees in sheffield than there are grains of sand in the whole wide world

Sheffield is the largest producer of sameheads in the northern hemisphere.

Meadowhall was designed so that if the shopping centre were not to be successful it could be easily and cheaply converted into a prison - allegedly

judging by the scum that i have to walk past every night after work outside the market and cannon pub, its already been converted

It is the only city in the world that when looked at from a satellite looks like a unicorn being attacked by a giant, angry, Plasticine tadpole.

It is the only city in britain that has a town hall called 'sheffield town hall.'

give it a couple of years and it will be the 'hallam fm town hall' or somefink like that

Heres a little factiod.

You know about the shrapnel damage to various buildings around the city? Well if you go to 90 Holgate avenue on the cross, look at the wall about....ohhhh 6 feet to the right of the front door, you`ll see a small section where the wall was replaced.
That house was damaged slightly in the blitz a lump of shrapnel hit it.

Its Sheffield, its a fact, I did my bit for the thread, so dont tell me off for being petty! :D

Sheffield is the only city in the world where you can see our house from next door. :huh:

Heres a little factiod.

You know about the shrapnel danage to various buildings around the city? Well if you go to 90 Holgate avenue on the cross, look at the wall about....ohhhh 6 feet to the right of the front door, you`ll see a small section where the wall was replaced.
That house was damaged slightly in the blitz a lump of shrapnel hit it.

Its Sheffield, its a fact, I did my bit for the thread, so dont tell me off for being petty! :D
Did you know that if you go to 90 Holgate Avenue on the 'cross and look at the wall about....ohhhh 6 feet to the right of the front door for too long, the bloke who owns the place will set his 5 Rottweilers on you.:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

the murderer john christie (watch the film 10 rillington place based on him) was from sheffield

Wasn't he stationed at RAF Norton? Also didn't Donald Plesance live at the Dore station house when his father was station master?

Did you know that if you go to 90 Holgate Avenue on the 'cross and look at the wall about....ohhhh 6 feet to the right of the front door for too long, the bloke who owns the place will set his 5 Rottweilers on you.:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Yeah.

Erm..

I forgot about that little fact. :D

John Reginald Halliday Christie was born, in fact, in Halifax. He did part of his National Service in Sheffield at the Army [ ? ] Camp at Redmires [ Later, I think, an Italian P.O.W. camp ].

He met his future wife, Ethel, on a bus in Sheffield but due to his criminal behaviour, they parted. A few years later they got together again and lived near Clapham Junction, south London.

Later, they moved to the [ now ] notorious Rillington Place, Notting Hill, where Christie probably murdered about 6 women and one child in the '40's and early '50's.He murdered Ethel, his very naive wife because even she was becoming suspicious about his little, odd habits.

He wrote to Ethel's sister, in Sheffield, after murdering her, and pretended that Ethel couldn't write herself because of her arthritis [ ! ] Ethel's sister lived on Windy House Lane, on the Manor Estate, but I don't know her surname or any other details. I think she gave evidence at the Old Bailey, against Christie. He was hanged at Wandsworth Prison [ I think ? ] in 1953.

A workforce of over 1 million people live within one hour's drive of the City

True - except when they eventually arrive, there's no work.

Sheffield is, of course, one of very few cities in the UK to still have TWO League Football Grounds. Maybe it is even the smallest still to do so!

On the other hand, I've been told that Edinburgh is the only large city in the UK to have NO league football ground within its city limits -there are (Scottish league) ones in neighbouring towns, as well as of course two in Glasgow!

No wonder they chose Edinburgh for the biggest Arts Festival in the country!

There is a hole in the bridge on the Wicker were an unexploded bomb went straight through during WWII

I heard at any one time they always have 3000 body bags in meadowhall incase of a terrorist attack.:( Can anyone confirm this?

no but I've heard same rumour /urban myth/whatever...

no but I've heard same rumour /urban myth/whatever...


Its like the kid who got lured into the toilets in Meadowhall by a Peodo, had there hair cut and clothes changed in the toilets before been abducted...urban myths.

19th Century model Lizzie Siddal was from Sheffield. Who? The Kate Moss of her day, she was the muse of the Pre-Raphaelites, and after a life of scandal and reknown was dead at 32. You'll have seen her in loads of paintings.

Like lots of these. (http://images.google.com/images?q=pre+raphaelite&svnum=30&hl=en&safe=off&rls=GGLR%2CGGLR%3A2006-18%2CGGLR%3Aen)

Sheffield is, of course, one of very few cities in the UK to still have TWO League Football Grounds. Maybe it is even the smallest still to do so!

On the other hand, I've been told that Edinburgh is the only large city in the UK to have NO league football ground within its city limits -there are (Scottish league) ones in neighbouring towns, as well as of course two in Glasgow!

No wonder they chose Edinburgh for the biggest Arts Festival in the country!

re: the first point - Bristol (City & Rovers), Nottingham (Forest & Notts County) & Stoke (Stoke City & Port Vale) are smaller - although the Nottingham conurbation is about the same size as Sheffield.

re: point 2 - Hibernian & Heart of Midlothian are both from Edinburgh.

sheffield united were the first football team to have flood lights at their stadium

sheffield united were the first football team to have flood lights at their stadium

And Bramall Lane is the only league football ground to have staged an FA Cup Final and a Test Match.

Tuesday is our Bin day!!
& now they dont come untill after 8.00 am

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/facts-figures



Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield

Don't you ever go out?

From May 2007, Sheffield will be the biggest city in England not to have a Premiership football team. :hihi:

You forget Leeds. That city is bigger. And they are about to be the biggest city in the UK without a football team in either of the top 2 divisions.

Bottom of championship :-

18 Norwich 30 -10 37
19 QPR 32 -15 33
20 Hull 32 -12 32
21 Luton 31 -14 32
22 Barnsley 32 -20 32
23 Southend 32 -16 31
24 Leeds 31 -22 30

Sheffield United were the first football team, anywhere in the world, to employ a professional black player: Arthur Wharton - goalkeeper, in 1894

Ahh...thats who Arthur Wharton is.

Theres a bus that goes past our window every night with his name on...we wondered who he was!

You forget Leeds. That city is bigger. And they are about to be the biggest city in the UK without a football team in either of the top 2 divisions.

Bottom of championship :-

18 Norwich 30 -10 37
19 QPR 32 -15 33
20 Hull 32 -12 32
21 Luton 31 -14 32
22 Barnsley 32 -20 32
23 Southend 32 -16 31
24 Leeds 31 -22 30
He also forgot that Sheff Utd will probably survive - they are 10 points clear of West Ham, with a better goal difference as well.