Most Sheffielders love Tony Blair.

No surprise really - as he's now the best Prime Minister that Great Britain has ever had, after pushing Winston Churchill into second place.

I don't like Tony Blair and i live in Sheffield. Sheffield also has a large anti-war movement, most of whom aren't that big a fan.

Better then Churchill? are you George Bush?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
Better then Churchill? are you George Bush?

Nope,just another tool.:rolleyes:

Hardlythe most Sheffield related theard ever. General chit chat anyone???????

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
I don't like Tony Blair and i live in Sheffield. Sheffield also has a large anti-war movement, most of whom aren't that big a fan.

Better then Churchill? are you George Bush?


The anti-war movement just waved their flowers at Saddam when he gassed his own people and invaded Kuwait.

Tony is a real leader.

Originally posted by mr craig



General chit chat anyone???????



duh

he gassed his own people at least 10 years ago.
I think you'll find no-one did anything at the time except offer him some more gas to top up his stock pile supplied by the West.

Originally posted by sham71
he gassed his own people at least 10 years ago.
I think you'll find no-one did anything at the time except offer him some more gas to top up his stock pile supplied by the West.


Typical Tories.

Thank God that Tony is a proper leader.

Well, he's slightly better than Maggie... just.

Tony B-Liar is an idiot, a lap-dog and a brown-nosing loser. He's such a loony he looks more and more like Jack Nicholson every day.

Originally posted by Snook
Well, he's slightly better than Maggie... just.


Yes - She did a lot for Sheffield.

Originally posted by Lestat
Tony B-Liar is an idiot, a lap-dog and a brown-nosing loser. He's such a loony he looks more and more like Jack Nicholson every day.


Yes - You seem to know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Yorkie
Most Sheffielders love Tony Blair.

are you basing this on the totally scientific poll of 12 people in pubs that the Sheffield Telegraph did?

Originally posted by sham71
are you basing this on the totally scientific poll of 12 people in pubs that the Sheffield Telegraph did? No

Tony Blair is a Tory leading a Labour government, and that's why it's so hard for the Conservatives to beat him into opposition.

I don't really like him - he's a "slipper customer" (whitewashes a plenty) and through that smile you can see the lies. However I do admire his leadership qualities in so far as him being charismatic and able to "lead from the front".

The grinning executioner is as cunning as they come.

He buys off the opposition with gravy train job promises.

Who next? Howard (when the Tories chuck him out) Kennedy (when the Lib Dems chuck him out) and if Kilroy Silk proves too popular with the electorate our Tone will welcome him back with a front bench promise.....you see! :o

Originally posted by Yorkie
Thank God that Tony is a proper leader.

Is your name Peter?

Blair is quite possibly the WORST leader we've had in the history of having appointed PM's!

His popularity as a leader and person are at an all time low, hes lied, hes messed up and he'll be out soon thank god.

Teflon Tony, nothing sticks.. not even his policies

tony blair is the most detested person i know esp here in sheffield.
who did you ask for your poll, a couple of people on downing street.
hes a war monger along with churchill and bush.
to quote churchill "we will fight them on the beaches" etc, anyone can send thousands to be slaughtered while they sit back in their armchairs at no 10. ask most ex ww2 soldiers and they will tell you the reality of war and not glorify it.

ask the people in iraq who've lost their family's.

and as for anti war marches ive been on some esp the london ones ,sheffield ones and american bases.
its called getting off your arse and fighting for what you believe in.
but there again how can anyone fight to believe in war.

and oh thats right , margaret thatcher did do a lot for sheffield
-- put hundreds out of work.

Originally posted by tara
hes a war monger along with churchill and bush.
to quote churchill "we will fight them on the beaches" etc, anyone can send thousands to be slaughtered while they sit back in their armchairs at no 10. ask most ex ww2 soldiers and they will tell you the reality of war and not glorify it.


Dont forget Churchill was being bombed while he was sat in his "armchair at number 10".

I think you need to brush up on your history, WW2 was to stop Germany invading the UK, or would you rather Hitler had defeated us and his operation sealion been sucessful leading to the deaths of every british male under 30?

Infact you wouldnt have even been born had Operation Sealion gone to plan, so think about that one next time you belittle the hard work and misery that the people who fought to save our way of life went through.

Just out of interest Yorkie - how many people did you ask from Sheffield? and in which area of Sheffield.

Personally, I dont think YOU know what you're talking about as Tony B-Liar is hated by almost everyone I've asked in Sheffield. Thats people from Firvale, Hillsborough, Woodhouse, Ecclesfield etc . .

He tried to please everyone, but now the left think he is too right, and the right think he is too left... he can't win. Then again, what is the alternative?

Originally posted by Disco_Cat
I don't like Tony Blair and i live in Sheffield. Sheffield also has a large anti-war movement, most of whom aren't that big a fan.

Better then Churchill? are you George Bush?
how large i no there was demo in barkers pool with various scruffs including children but only about 100 turned up at that one so id hardly say sheffield has a large anti war movement:D

Originally posted by panda79
how large i no there was demo in barkers pool with various scruffs including children but only about 100 turned up at that one so id hardly say sheffield has a large anti war movement:D

When was this, because when i went there were thousands of people from all backgrounds there??

I'm not Tony Blair's biggest fan by any measure... From a personal stand he seems a little naive, and policy wise he's too far up America's bum over Iraq, he should be more concerned with sorting out problems in his own Country before being so eager to help George W Bush sort out the problems in Iraq....

That's my 2 pennies worth anyway :D

Originally posted by Rich
I'm not Tony Blair's biggest fan by any measure... From a personal stand he seems a little naive, and policy wise he's too far up America's bum over Iraq, he should be more concerned with sorting out problems in his own Country before being so eager to help George W Bush sort out the problems in Iraq....

That's my 2 pennies worth anyway :D

very well said rich

I agree that Tony should have sorted problems out at home before invading Iraq.

The trouble with Tony is that he is really trying please everybody which is difficult to do in the long run. It works in election campaigns at first, but when people begin to see he's a bit of a tit then he'll lose votes.

yes while protected in his underground bunker.

yes i do know about ww2 my dad was on the front line.
i probably dont know half as much as you granted ,
you sound like some expert.

but going back to tony blair hardly anyone in sheffield likes him.
and even less margaret thatcher.

but its the same old story people at the top declare wars,
(hittler included) and its the ordinary man that has to suffer.


oh the first london march touched nearly 2 million.
and some of the sheffield marches thousands .
if you need proof theres plenty of pictures on net.
had you been out of the country when all this was on tv .-panda 79

Let's face it people, and this is a fact, no matter who the PM is or was, there's going to be more than 50% of the population who think they're rubbish and that includes some of those who voted for them.

No politician is going to please any voter 100%. One bad decision will have the majority of voters down on him/her like a ton of bricks irrespective of party.

I was just reading an opinion column in a daily Tory Rag about TB and the Butler Report.

Basically it summarised....either Tony Blair is an honourable man - but stupid, or he's a dishonourable man who believes everyone else is stupid.

Take your pick :D

Originally posted by Lestat
Just out of interest Yorkie - how many people did you ask from Sheffield?


omne ignotum pro magnifico

Love him or loathe him and I loathe him,you have got to give him some credit he is a very clever man and if it were not for him the Labour Party woul'd still be in opposition.
Some of you labour people ought to remember that before slagging him off.
And one more thing he will win the next election,which has never been done before by Labour 3 on the trot wins that is.
You dont know how lucky you are.

Originally posted by Yorkie
omne ignotum pro magnifico

Everything unknown is taken for magnificent? An answer to the question would be magnificent.

Plumbeus hominis!

Originally posted by Yorkie
Yes - You seem to know what you're talking about.

this seems a bit rich, as your argument so far has been a bit thin. No reasoning, or facts to back up your claims.

I think on the whole he has been a good Prime Minister, and I do think he has delivered a lot of improvements in the country, such as the minimum wage, shorter waiting times for the NHS, smaller class sizes in schools etc. I do think he should be a bit bolder on some issues though... he seems to want to please too many people.

I don't think any Prime Minister would be remain popular after this long in power though, people always expect them to make a bigger difference than is possible in a few years and people have very short memories and forget how much worse the NHS and schools were before Tony Blair became Prime Minister.

Although a lot of people don't like Tony Blair, they should consider whether the country is going to be in a better or worse state under any of the other party leaders. In my opinion it would be in a much worse state.

He is the most honest, sincere, truthfull, logical, competent, brave, resolute, courageous, straightforward, loyal, prime minister we in this country have ever had.(and I am not being sarcastic)

Possibly - but also in my opinion quite possibly the most manipulative, autocratic, Conservative, dishonest and self serving (allegedly - a la have I got news for you!!!). Then again these seme to be big positive adantages for politicians these days.

It really all depends on what you mean by a good PM though - do you mean a good leader, someone who is good for the country or most unlikely a moral leader?

Private Health Care and Private Education is criminal.

Typical Tory Selfishness that does not share resources amongst all the people.

Typical Tory need for greed.

Originally posted by Andy78
this seems a bit rich, as your argument so far has been a bit thin. No reasoning, or facts to back up your claims.


Lord Archer - Typical Tory - Corrupt to the core.

I don't think that Tory Leader Michael Howard will ever become Prime Minister because a Tory Minister once stated publicly that he is "Something of the night and never to be trusted."

We have been warned.

The fact that he is a Jew has got little to do with it.

Originally posted by Yorkie
I don't think that Tory Leader Michael Howard will ever become Prime Minister because a Tory Minister once stated publicly that he is "Something of the night and never to be trusted."


The actual quote by Ann Widdecombe (his former junior minister in the Home Office), is "there IS something of the night ABOUT HIM" (my caps) .

The misquote you used means nothing and makes no sense. How can someone be "something of the night"?

Sorry :)

Originally posted by mojoworking
The actual quote by Ann Widdecombe (his former junior minister in the Home Office), is "there IS something of the night ABOUT HIM" (my caps) .

The misquote you used means nothing and makes no sense. How can someone be "something of the night"?

Sorry :)


So it is true.


And he wants to lead my country? YUK - no way.

Originally posted by Yorkie
So it is true.


And he wants to lead my country? YUK - no way.

I can't argue with you there, Yorkie. It just reads beter with the correct quote :)

Originally posted by mojoworking
I can't argue with you there, Yorkie. It just reads beter with the correct quote :)


Do you mean better ?

Originally posted by Yorkie
Do you mean better ?

Ho ho! You've got me bang to rights there!

Originally posted by Yorkie
So it is true.


And he wants to lead my country? YUK - no way.

But look at all of the insults thrown Tony Blair's way. Do you really discount other people on the basis of what one other person has said about them?

18 years of Conservative rule left Britain in a mess.

Tony is putting the Great back in Britain.

Conservatives have to rely on insults, their policies just don't exist.

Originally posted by Yorkie
Lord Archer - Typical Tory - Corrupt to the core.

Excuse me?

Is there any chance of you posting something that makes sense? have you been constantly drunk while posting on this thread?

In response to the NHS thread, how is private health care evil? If someone wants to be treated quicker than they would with the NHS, why shouldn't they be able to? The NHS is great in some respects. If you need a life saving operation, you will get it for free, straight away. that is something unique on this planet. However, for less important treatment, you'll be waiting a long time. That's always going to be the case, so if you require faster treatment, you have to pay for it. Without private health care, the NHS would be far too stretched to cope.

Private Health Care Doctors should be made to repay the NHS for all their training.

Money should not be used to queue jump in a caring society.

That is Tory policy - selfish and rotten to the core.

Originally posted by Yorkie
Private Health Care Doctors should be made to repay the NHS for all their training.

Seeing as a doctor studies for a medical degree in a university. which they now have to pay for along with top up fees - thankyou Mr Blair - and then works as a houseman in an NHS hospital how much do you think they owe the NHS? And do you think this should also be aplied to the large number of doctors who never go into medical practice?

Money should not be used to queue jump in a caring society.

That is Tory policy - selfish and rotten to the core.

I wonder just how many virtuous labour MPs use private health-care - I'm sure none of those wonderfull people would never do something so selfish and rotten - oh and as you seem to have problems with reality that was sarcasm :)

Originally posted by Yorkie
Private Health Care Doctors should be made to repay the NHS for all their training.

Money should not be used to queue jump in a caring society.

That is Tory policy - selfish and rotten to the core.

OK, lets ban private health care. our new 'caring' society would then have to wait even longer for treatment. A lot of people would probably die as a result, and the increased cost could well lead to a massive increase in taxes. The effect would be that we'd be paying more tax and receiving a much reduced level of service. Sounds like a great idea, overall as a nation we would be less healthy and the mortality rate would increase. This would be good as there's far too many people anyway!

Have you got any other ground breaking ideas yorkie? Have you ever considered a career in politics?

I don't have the luxury of private health care, so i'm grateful that we have an NHS at all. It may not be perfect, but it's a lot more than other countries have. I have no problem with other people paying for health care if it means that the NHS can operate more effectively.

This thread has been infiltrated by Tory puppets.

Just how old are you?

You appear to have no knowledge of politics beyond your precious labour government :confused:

Id put my neck on the line and say not everyone here who doesnt like Blair is a Tory, and if you seriously believe that then you should look at yourself and your political views in the mirror.

Originally posted by RPG
Just how old are you?

You appear to have no knowledge of politics beyond your precious labour government :confused:

Id put my neck on the line and say not everyone here who doesnt like Blair is a Tory, and if you seriously believe that then you should look at yourself and your political views in the mirror.

I am most definitely NOT a Tory, in fact I hate ALL Politicians equally.

Tory? who's tory? I ain't for a start and I doubt that many people posting here are either. You may not have realised it yet, but as a nation we are not divided simply into 2 categories. People are a little more complex than that. I take it you haven't realised that a lot of people dislike labour for the reason that their policies are not too different to Conservative policies.

I've had another good idea on the health care front as well. After eliminating the private system, there will obviously be a shortfall in hospital beds. We could use the millennium dome as a giant hospital to help. Maybe that was labours plan all along and they really did have a reason to build it.

I'm a bit out of touch with secondary education these days, but I doubt you'll be able to take politics as a GCSE option, so you may have to wait until you reach A level to take it. I suggest that you do.

Actually, no, that's a stupid idea come to think of it. Please take something a little less taxing. Can you take pottery at GCSE?

Those Tories planned The Dome.

Typical.

Originally posted by Yorkie
Private Health Care and Private Education is criminal.

Typical Tory Selfishness that does not share resources amongst all the people.

Typical Tory need for greed.

Didn't Tony Blair sent his kids to private school ? And I'll wager the Blairs are fully paid up members of BUPA or something similar, - probably at the tax-payer's expense. :roll:

Originally posted by Yorkie
Those Tories planned The Dome.

Typical.

indeed, and who was in power when it was built and pushed against public opinion to continue with the Development?

Anyways, i have come to the conclusion that you are either:

a) Deliberately making silly one line statements in an attempt to annoy people. (I'd like to point out that I am not annoyed, just bored and entertaining myself by posting)

or

b) A small child.

Originally posted by Yorkie
Those Tories planned The Dome.

Typical.
And Tony Blair built the Dome and opened it with the Queen... taking all the credit along the way.

Typical!

Originally posted by Yorkie
Money should not be used to queue jump in a caring society.


No, it's not selfish or rotten to go private. It's about having a choice.

I believe that we should have an NHS and a welfare state, which should be funded through general taxation. I believe that the rich should pay more taxes.

I also believe that the NHS will never be perfect, and if people want to be able to be treated quicker, they should be able to pay for it.

Originally posted by RPG
Just how old are you?

You appear to have no knowledge of politics beyond your precious labour government :confused:

Id put my neck on the line and say not everyone here who doesnt like Blair is a Tory, and if you seriously believe that then you should look at yourself and your political views in the mirror. Personal attacks against other forum users are against the terms and conditions you agreed to when you signed up to the forums.

Yorkie, try deepening the debate a bit. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by Tony
Yorkie, try deepening the debate a bit. :thumbsup:

I wanted to discuss Tory policy but it's too shallow.

Yorkie if you think that was personal then you have lived a shelterd life mate.
I woul'd guess that you are no older than 20 at the most and that is not being nasty.
You seem to think that the torys are the devil incarnate,well their not new labour win that one hands down.

He just quoted a Private message that was sent to him by the mods.

Obviously he doesnt mind people knowing what was in it, so the fact hes been warned for a personal attack in another thread has nowt to do with it.. :rolleyes:

Tory, New Labour - sure the distinction is one of semantics (actually I suppose that should be semiotics but you know what I mean!) not politics?

Originally posted by RPG
He just quoted a Private message that was sent to him by the mods.

Obviously he doesnt mind people knowing what was in it, so the fact hes been warned for a personal attack in another thread has nowt to do with it.. :rolleyes:

It wasn't sent by "the mods" - it was sent by you as abuse.

Originally posted by royjames
Yorkie if you think that was personal then you have lived a shelterd life mate.
I woul'd guess that you are no older than 20 at the most and that is not being nasty.
You seem to think that the torys are the devil incarnate,well their not new labour win that one hands down.


I do not think of was personal at all - I welcome a good debate as I find alternative views fascinating.

I was merely quoting from a PM that RPG sent to abuse me.

You're correct, I do believe that Tories are the devil incarnate and riddled with corruption.

I believe that had it not been for the formation of the Labour Party 100 years ago, the people of Sheffield would still be living in the absolute squalor that their forefathers did. There would certainly be no NHS or Health and Safety at work.

I believe that people who vote for the Tory Party are gullible fools - unless they have assets approaching £1,000,000. I believe that the Tory Party is riddled with corrupt people who would sell their own mother for power. They even stab their own leaders in the back when it suits them

Read local political history pre 20th Century - There was no Labour Party to blame then.

Originally posted by royjames


I would guess that you are no older than 20 at the most and that is not being nasty.



Yes it is being nasty - and arrogant.

People of any age have views.

The idea of a forum is to air those views.

On the whole I like Blair. If Labour had not changed their ways they would never have been elected and that is what they needed to do. Labour are beating the Tories at their own game and they do not know what to do.

Blair knows the only way to keep the Tories out is to keep wrong
footing them with policies they do not know how to argue against.
However, watch out for the Liberals they may sneak up on the inside when nobody is looking.

This is turning into Animal Farm:

Labour good

Tories bad

It's a sentiment I agree with personally, but your simplistic, dogmatic approach won't win you any friends here Yorkie mate :)

Originally posted by dilwise


Labour are beating the Tories at their own game and they do not know what to do.

Blair knows the only way to keep the Tories out is to keep wrong
footing them with policies they do not know how to argue against.


I agree.

Originally posted by mojoworking


It's a sentiment I agree with personally, but your simplistic, dogmatic approach won't win you any friends here Yorkie mate :)



If I used message boards to win friends then I would rightly be considered a low life.

We need Tony for a third term . . .


. . . and Gordon for a 4th, 5th and 6th.

Originally posted by Yorkie
If I used message boards to win friends then I would rightly be considered a low life.

Now, you know that's not what I meant. :)

Originally posted by Yorkie
Yes it is being nasty - and arrogant.

As arrogant as claiming that New Labour are all things sweetness and light and branding anyone who complains a Tory puppet??

People of any age have views.

The idea of a forum is to air those views.

Its also a good way to air evidence for those views - your views seem to be of the simple, dogmatic almost religious type that have no logical backing and so can stand no analysis or criticism...

Mod: Yorkie, please stay on-topic and contribute properly to the threads. You're trolling!

Originally posted by Tony
Mod: Yorkie, please stay on-topic and contribute properly to the threads. You're trolling!

What does trolling mean - and are you just another Tory trying to abuse me ?

Originally posted by evildrneil



Its also a good way to air evidence for those views - your views seem to be of the simple, dogmatic almost religious type that have no logical backing and so can stand no analysis or criticism...


My views are my views. Pity you can't dictate what I must think. Nobody is forcing you to respond. Let me know what the Tories have done for you in Sheffield - I might vote for them.

Originally posted by Yorkie
What does trolling mean - and are you just another Tory trying to abuse me ?

Mod: Sigh...Yorkie, I'm a SF moderator who is asking you to play nice. Please don't get yourself banned.

Originally posted by t020
Tony Blair is a Tory leading a Labour government, and that's why it's so hard for the Conservatives to beat him into opposition.




You're right - I think I've fallen in love with him.

Originally posted by Tony
Mod: Sigh...Yorkie, I'm a SF moderator who is asking you to play nice. Please don't get yourself banned.


Why should I be banned ?

Are you a neutral, fair minded mod or tainted with Toryism ?

Originally posted by Tony
Mod: Sigh...Yorkie, I'm a SF moderator who is asking you to play nice. Please don't get yourself banned.

There is no point in claiming you are a mod tony, Yorkie doesnt appear to be able to tell the difference between a staff warning and a "personal threat" and reality and dream world.

Originally posted by Yorkie
Why should I be banned ?

Are you a neutral, fair minded mod or tainted with Toryism ?

The Ban is on it's way. You seem to prefer it in the open Forum rather than responding to PM's so I'll just leave this note here.

Cloooooooooooooooooooosing this padfest!