View Full Version : The Brass Eye Paedophilia Special - Your Views


CockneyMafia
15-09-2006, 11:05
A couple of posts on the site have mentioned the above show in various contexts over the last few weeks, and I was interested to hear other peoples views on what they thought?

Clearly it was of MASSIVE controversy when it came out, and seems to always come up in conversation when people talk about limitations to morals or humour.

Personally, I think the principle message, that of the media's artificial hysteria and hypocrisy on the subject of paedophilia, was spot on. I do think though, that Brass Eye, like all shows, contains its own brand of humour, and to fully appreciate that show, or rather, understand it, you would need to be a regular viewer. I fear anyone watching the show in isolation, would wander what on earth they are tuned into.

Your thoughts?

NEKRO138
15-09-2006, 11:12
Regardless of if anyone thinks it's sick or contraversial, I thought it was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

It's very easy to read deeply into it, but I actually found it funny just on face value.

Booch
15-09-2006, 11:17
Genius TV programming...

Well done Chris Morris.

Please do more!

AtticusFinch
15-09-2006, 11:39
I think it was the greatest satirical program of the last ten years or so. Chris Morris is a hero of mine, which is why I have in my avatar.

I've got nothing but scorn for sensationalist tabloid newspapers. I think it's dirty journalism, and I find it very frustrating that in a country where we have near complete freedom of the press, that a large section of that press chooses to take the cheap and easy route of fear-mongering.

Another frustrating thing is that so many politicians and public figures simply don't have the guts to take on the tabloids. The S*n wields a huge influence in this country, and they're not averse to carrying on long vendettas against anyone who does stand up to them. One of the few groups who has stood up to them (and the most successful) is the people of Liverpool after Hillsborough (arguably the most vicious tabloid smear of all time). The S*n still sells a pitiful number of copies on Merseyside.

Chris Morris did stand up to them though, and he completely embarrassed them. I can remember me and my friend watching the Brass Eye special and laughing like drains. It was simply a slightly-caricatured version of what was already out there, and it showed the tabloid editors/hacks as the coke-snorting, lying, hypocritical fear-mongerers that they really are.

Their reaction was, of course, completely predictable. They went into indignant outrage overload, labelling the program as a mockery of paedophile victims and the sickest program ever made. That was the only approach they could take. They couldn't acknowledge that the show was a satire of tabloid paedophile hysteria, because that would also have meant acknowledging that there was tabloid paedophile hysteria.

I often think it's a crying shame that Chris Morris isn't still doing Brass Eye or something similar. The tabloids are still scaring people to sell copies, and he could do great shows about asylum seekers/immigrants, bird flu or islamic terrorism.

Agent Gypo
15-09-2006, 11:43
It was a great show. It wasn't the best in the series, 'Drugs' and 'Sex' were better episodes. Though I still laughed and guffawed like a yak throughout.

A look on wikipedia for facts about the Paedo spesh brought up some interesting facts:

The Daily Star printed an article decrying Chris Morris and the show next to a piece about the then 15-year-old singer Charlotte Church's breasts under the headline "She's a big girl now"

The Daily Mail featured pictures of Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, who were 13 and 11 at the time respectively, in their bikinis next to a headline describing Brass Eye as "Unspeakably Sick"

Agent Gypo
15-09-2006, 11:46
I often think it's a crying shame that Chris Morris isn't still doing Brass Eye or something similar. The tabloids are still scaring people to sell copies, and he could do great shows about asylum seekers/immigrants, bird flu or islamic terrorism.

Unfortunately, I think any channel would be wary of programs involving Morris since Brass Eye.

Even if he could celebrity endorsement for nonsense schemes (which is doubtful), he's trodden that ground before so I personally would like to see something new from him. My Wrongs and Nathan Barley were great, more please dad.

seriessix
15-09-2006, 11:49
What about his show Jam. That took the comedy show concept even further to the edge - brilliant.

ValleyBoy
15-09-2006, 11:51
A Bit off topic but what about cultures that take child brides ,makes your average sick pedo seem to be the same as them.

Agent Gypo
15-09-2006, 11:52
What about his show Jam. That took the comedy show concept even further to the edge - brilliant.

Jam is brilliant. I'm torn as to whether I prefer it to Brass Eye......

Guest_225
15-09-2006, 11:55
I wish they would show the Brass Eye special again since I missed it first time round and I don't see it getting repeated.

Why is Chris Morris not on our screens with any new stuff. Is he effectively banned now??

Agent Gypo
15-09-2006, 11:56
I wish they would show the Brass Eye special again since I missed it first time round and I don't see it getting repeated.

Why is Chris Morris not on our screens with any new stuff. Is he effectively banned now??

Go to Fopp.

Brass Eye (including special and drugs commentary) £10

Nathan Barley £10

My Wrongs £7 (only 15 minutes but worth every penny)

The Day Today £10

Agent Gypo
15-09-2006, 11:58
Then welcome. Ooh, astonishing sod ape. Welcome.

seriessix
15-09-2006, 11:59
OOooh - Chemopherapy wig.....

Agent Gypo
15-09-2006, 12:12
....and you realise you're jazzing to the fading sound of your day-old babies heart monitor....

TwoFour
15-09-2006, 12:17
All I can say is I agree with you all, Morris is a genius and the paedophile show was superb . Satire at its highest level and made even better by the way the morons at the Sun and Mail etc. took the bait :hihi:

Mod_Man
15-09-2006, 12:31
One of my favourite Chris Morris sayings, " depressed beyond pills".:hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

muddycoffee
15-09-2006, 12:47
I would also like to pay homage to the Genius that is Chris Morris.

The paedo special was extremely clever, dealing with overblown media overaction. It also marked the point where I lost respect for Phillipa Forester, who despite her billing as a clever science journalist and presenter, was hoodwinked into delivering the most rediculous message about the dangers of a laptop PC.
She obviously knows nothing about information technology, a field where I would hope that such a presenter ought to have a good knowledge.

Chris Morris regularly appears in comedy series and involves himself with low budget films.

AtticusFinch
15-09-2006, 13:26
I wish they would show the Brass Eye special again since I missed it first time round and I don't see it getting repeated.

Why is Chris Morris not on our screens with any new stuff. Is he effectively banned now??

It's on YouTube:

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7jVnrfoZD8)

Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcnQDYnGtS8)

Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA07Tw4iEFw)

However I must warn you that if you watch these then you don't deserve punishment, you deserve.......GUNISHMENT!

slimsid2000
15-09-2006, 15:06
I found it funny and thought it good.

seriessix
15-09-2006, 15:12
vanned to the Fens by dung breathed locals to wrestle pigs...

mgblade
16-09-2006, 00:16
I've got kids and turned it off first time disgusted. but sat and watched it properly 2nd time and yes its very well wrote. spot on about the way the media jumps onto a subject and then takes it to exteme..
well done to the writers..
only bit i can remember is-
he brought his kids in and they were in the filing cabinet because he was that worried, genius

Jabberwocky
16-09-2006, 00:43
This is the first time ive seen it and i think its hilarious!

"He may live, but only with his neck as an internal organ!"

Classic!

Annoni_mouse
16-09-2006, 12:13
My cross over moment with this show was, I'm afraid to say, the aftermath of the Soham murders.

The scenes as Huntley was being transported, the van surrounded by the baying mob, served to illustrate just how accurate this program was, sadly.

Chris_Sleeps
16-09-2006, 12:56
Ignoring the issue itself, its amazing how Chris Morris can direct his comedy so close to the bone. He does cross the line sometimes. :)

Fareast
16-09-2006, 13:19
Chris Morris's programme was very original and extremely funny.

However, I don't think it was solely directed against the tabloids. The tabloids in their present cretinous form wouldn't exist unless there was a large number of cretinous people who bought them .

muddycoffee
16-09-2006, 14:00
However, I don't think it was solely directed against the tabloids.
Indeed not.
The brasseye news studio bears an uncanny likeness to the channel 4 news program, even chris morris' presentational style is in my view a cross between the channel 4 news presenter guy and jeremy paxman.

His fawning and vacuuous female presenters who smile exitedly during the presentation of tragic news stories are a slightly exaggerated version of actual news presenters,
And the hard news bitch is an exact copy of Kirsty Wark ( not sure how her surname is spelled ).

Morte
18-09-2006, 13:19
It was a true multi media performance piece...specifically written to cause an outrage that in many ways was more ridiculous than the scenes in the TV programme.

To quote Lord Macauly

“We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality....”

Jam was also very good...but sometimes was so out there that Morris forgot the funny and so it became sinister and uncomfortable (which are good in their own ways as well)

BoroughGal
18-09-2006, 13:32
Chris Morris is a genuis, I love Jam (have it on DVD....) and totally agreed with the message behind the Paedophilia Brass Eye.

There's a little bit too much of the over-sensationalising thing on here too, on occasions. Especially by the lynching mob. I get the feeling they're the ones that wouldn't like Brass Eye.

super_pie
18-09-2006, 18:11
I'm sure most of you are already familar with:

http://chilled.cream.org/forums/portal.php

But it's a great resource for downloading morris unreleased earlier radio work (his radio 1 shows, blue jam radio series (some excellent ambient tracks!), and on the hour are the best things he ever done)

Although beware, most of us over there do consider the 'peodiphile special' to be one of the slightly more weaker efforts of the last few years (each to thier own I guess)

Annoni_mouse
18-09-2006, 19:14
Chris Morris is a genuis, I love Jam (have it on DVD....) and totally agreed with the message behind the Paedophilia Brass Eye.

There's a little bit too much of the over-sensationalising thing on here too, on occasions. Especially by the lynching mob. I get the feeling they're the ones that wouldn't like Brass Eye.

Hmmm...is it just me that didn't 'get' Jam?

I loved Brass Eye and I truly believe that The Day Today should be held up as the definitive news parody, but Jam just left me cold:confused:

seriessix
18-09-2006, 19:22
It was a true multi media performance piece...specifically written to cause an outrage that in many ways was more ridiculous than the scenes in the TV programme.


Right down to the over the top graphics.

BoroughGal
19-09-2006, 11:43
Although beware, most of us over there do consider the 'peodiphile special' to be one of the slightly more weaker efforts of the last few years (each to thier own I guess)

I wouldn't like to speak for others, but I'm sure everyone would agree with this statement. I wouldn't say for a moment that it's anything like his best work.

But we have to comment on it because of the thread title.

Agent Gypo
19-09-2006, 12:42
You're all small bean regarders.

Swan_Vesta
19-09-2006, 13:08
You're all small bean regarders.

And you're the crazy world of Arthur Brown, a slop badger and a two pin din plug

:hihi: :D :hihi:

Agent Gypo
20-09-2006, 10:07
And you're the crazy world of Arthur Brown, a slop badger and a two pin din plug

:hihi: :D :hihi:

Are you the boz boz?

Annoni_mouse
20-09-2006, 18:40
Did anyone catch the news report on " Internet Pedo's " on the 6.30 iTV news tonight?At one point I actually expected Chris Morris to pop up:hihi:

Obviously the people who make news programmes have never seen Brass eye..

upinwath
20-09-2006, 21:55
Clearly it was of MASSIVE controversy when it came out, and seems to always come up in conversation when people talk about limitations to morals or humour.
Your thoughts?

I have met a girl who was raped as a child and I have been offered young boys and girls for sex while in Malaysia and Thailand.
I have met a man in asia who bragged about F***ing 5 year old girls.
The first nasty pimp who offered me a kid ended up with my fist in his face and a warning never to speak to me again if he liked walking.

When you have seen the real side of men who like to have sex with young girls and boys it's hard to see any humour in the subject at all.

This show is the reason I finally dumped my TV. If that's the best that the television companies can do for entertainment I will opt out.

Sorry to be harsh but I think that anyone who considers there is any room for humour in some perv f***ing a 5 year old is just as bad as the inadequate fat slobs who do it.

Bladesman
20-09-2006, 22:17
It was great the BrassEye Special.

Both quality programmes BrassEye and The Day Today.

cube
21-09-2006, 07:26
The Brass Eye was amazing. Chris Morris should do more TV shows.
I remember sitting in the pub watching the day today the bit when John Major was having a fight with the queen, these two old blokes sat next to me, asked me, "is that right mate?". I said yeah:hihi: :hihi:

BoroughGal
21-09-2006, 09:27
Sorry to be harsh but I think that anyone who considers there is any room for humour in some perv f***ing a 5 year old is just as bad as the inadequate fat slobs who do it.

That's the whole point. They're not finding humour in paedophillia. They're finding humour in the tabloids lynch mob mentality. And they're also taking the mickey out of people who can't see that.

upinwath
21-09-2006, 10:24
That's the whole point. They're not finding humour in paedophillia. They're finding humour in the tabloids lynch mob mentality. And they're also taking the mickey out of people who can't see that.

Having met people involved in this I can say that the tabloids have got it right.

I'm off back to Asia next year. Come along and meet a couple. You don't have to hunt for them as they seem quite proud of their conquests.
When you see these nasty little gits talking about what they do you will understand the urge to rip their balls off.

Agent Gypo
21-09-2006, 11:05
Having met people involved in this I can say that the tabloids have got it right.

I'm off back to Asia next year. Come along and meet a couple. You don't have to hunt for them as they seem quite proud of their conquests.
When you see these nasty little gits talking about what they do you will understand the urge to rip their balls off.

You have totally, and utterly missed the point of the whole program.

Halibut
21-09-2006, 11:05
You have totally, and utterly missed the point of the whole program.

He has indeed.

Annoni_mouse
21-09-2006, 11:09
I have met a girl who was raped as a child and I have been offered young boys and girls for sex while in Malaysia and Thailand.
I have met a man in asia who bragged about F***ing 5 year old girls.
The first nasty pimp who offered me a kid ended up with my fist in his face and a warning never to speak to me again if he liked walking.

When you have seen the real side of men who like to have sex with young girls and boys it's hard to see any humour in the subject at all.

This show is the reason I finally dumped my TV. If that's the best that the television companies can do for entertainment I will opt out.

Sorry to be harsh but I think that anyone who considers there is any room for humour in some perv f***ing a 5 year old is just as bad as the inadequate fat slobs who do it.

Sorry wath, but I think BoroughGal has it spot on - the show was aimed at sensationalist journalism and self-serving celebs, not the subject of Peodophilia(sp?).

By the same token, presumably you wouldn't watch 'Allo 'Allo as this took the mickey out of the second world war - the most destructive period in human history, when countless millions of people died?

upinwath
21-09-2006, 13:11
You have totally, and utterly missed the point of the whole program.

May well have.
I just heard they were talking about sex with children, saw kids on the prog and heard them laughing.

Seemed like plenty to make me hit the off button.

Oh well, regardless of the point it did me a favour.
I dumped my TV and told the licence people to take a running jump.
Seeing the crap that's on TV at the moment I think that much at least was a good move.

BoroughGal
21-09-2006, 15:40
May well have.
I just heard they were talking about sex with children, saw kids on the prog and heard them laughing.

I don't want to sound condesending, but that is exactly the attitude that they were taking the mickey out of. People hear the word "paeodophillia" and are instantly self righteous and have a mob mentality.

I'm certainly not condoning child abuse, far from it. It disgusts me too. I presume that it disgusts everyone other than the abusers themselves. But the tabloids also disgust me. They know that it sells papers. And like someone said earlier, they're happy enough to print pictures of pre-pubescent children in swimsuits, making some leering comment underneath it, because that, too, sells papers.

EDIT: Like the signature, by the way! :)

muddycoffee
21-09-2006, 17:09
That's the whole point. They're not finding humour in paedophillia. They're finding humour in the tabloids lynch mob mentality. And they're also taking the mickey out of people who can't see that.
I agree, it is people who go into a blind rage, or say they do, when the subject of paedophilia is brought up which this programme is addressing.
I would like to suggest that the reason you find the programme offensive is beccause it is about people like you

Tony
21-09-2006, 18:10
You have totally, and utterly missed the point of the whole program.

Which of course was the whole point of the show ;)

QED.

upinwath
21-09-2006, 18:21
I don't want to sound condesending, but that is exactly the attitude that they were taking the mickey out of.
But the tabloids also disgust me. They know that it sells papers. And like someone said earlier, they're happy enough to print pictures of pre-pubescent children in swimsuits, making some leering comment underneath it, because that, too, sells papers.

EDIT: Like the signature, by the way! :)

No worries. I don't read much by way of newspapers for the same reason I don't watch TV. All full of rubbish.
I stopped reading the sheffield star after their campain to stop prositutes leaving cards in phone boxes while still taking adverts for pros in their paper.
It's not the ads that bother me, it's the crap they spout on the subject while taking money to do the same.
Wonder if that could be taken as living off immoral earnings :hihi:

Perhaps I missed the point but I did off the thing pretty quick. Still, as I said, it did me a favour so I'm happy to leave it at that.

Wongo
29-09-2006, 01:25
Chris Morris is a genius. I hope he does plenty more.