The council talked yesterday of outlawing flyering in the city centre. Cabinet meeting yesterday - should be on their website if it is of interest to you. £75 fine.

Just seems to me to be another way of stopping small time promoters advertise. Obviously litter's a problem but i don't see them fining kebab shops when someone chucks their doner on the floor or fining subway if someone dumps their packaging in the street. Do people asking you to take a direct debit out for Oxfam count as flyerers ?

good idea! means clubs won't be sending out their poor BAR staff in the freezing cold to flyer, which isn't their job! from personal experience, its bloody annoyin!

think you've made some good points there...think its fairly ridiculous that the big clubs now produce giant sealies of flyers that then get discarded all round the surrounding district but for The Shakedown its been an important part of gettin the name out there and for people to start to take notice of what we're doing...
Can't say our evenings flyering ever filled me with joy but we had a good crack to be fair and met some sound people that we were able to spend the time telling them what we were all about...literally puttin the word on the street! :)

Maybe we'll have to resort to sandwich boards and preaching to punters to 'repent your sins and come to The Shakedown!' now:hihi:

thats the stupidest thing ever,no postering and now no flyering,how are nights meant to get known apart from by word of mouth?

Ive ahd a laugh flyering before,for nights like freshen up and Dubcentral,stand around with your mates,get a boombox goin,have a laugh,and people come to your night!

Even if it is outlawed ill still be stoodoutside FOP or the Students Union Dishing them out with a smile.

The council talked yesterday of outlawing flyering in the city centre. Cabinet meeting yesterday - should be on their website if it is of interest to you. £75 fine.

Just seems to me to be another way of stopping small time promoters advertise. Obviously litter's a problem but i don't see them fining kebab shops when someone chucks their doner on the floor or fining subway if someone dumps their packaging in the street. Do people asking you to take a direct debit out for Oxfam count as flyerers ?

They tried with the boards and they could not outlaw it. if they put a ban on flying this must be for all businesses not just clubs. i think the sheffield council are trying to destroy the only good thing sheffield has, student night life. if that goes Sheffield would be a very sad place to live in as the economy is already Sh**e

The council talked yesterday of outlawing flyering in the city centre. Cabinet meeting yesterday - should be on their website if it is of interest to you. £75 fine.

Just seems to me to be another way of stopping small time promoters advertise. Obviously litter's a problem but i don't see them fining kebab shops when someone chucks their doner on the floor or fining subway if someone dumps their packaging in the street. Do people asking you to take a direct debit out for Oxfam count as flyerers ?

But Subway/Kebab shops do not do the littering, and anyone found littering with said items would geta £50 fine

We go to the Curry mile In Rusholme (Manchester).
It is a mile of Asian restaurants, and the lads who work them just stand on the pavement inviting you in.

But Subway/Kebab shops do not do the littering, and anyone found littering with said items would geta £50 fine

That's the point, people who go out flyering don't dump them on the ground - they put them in people's hands!

We go to the Curry mile In Rusholme (Manchester).
It is a mile of Asian restaurants, and the lads who work them just stand on the pavement inviting you in.

Brilliant! In that case I'll cancel my order with the printers and just stand outside the venue inviting folk indoors. That'll work a treat, they'll flood in from miles around now. :confused: :huh:

Brilliant! In that case I'll cancel my order with the printers and just stand outside the venue inviting folk indoors. That'll work a treat, they'll flood in from miles around now. :confused: :huh:
That's what happens, Really.
Tis not my fault flying's been targeted.

Brilliant! In that case I'll cancel my order with the printers and just stand outside the venue inviting folk indoors. That'll work a treat, they'll flood in from miles around now. :confused: :huh:

Get some fit birds in "Bring It On" T-shirts handing out free shots up and down the 'Golden Mile' (aka West Street)
Tenerife style! Works a treat out there

That's the point, people who go out flyering don't dump them on the ground - they put them in people's hands!

The majority of time flyers are given out it is to people who have been drinking and just throw them as they dont want them.

People go to fast food places and generally use bins.

yeah but alcohol exclusion zones are an arse in sheff.so free shots wont work,but i bet babes will.

That's what happens, Really.
Tis not my fault flying's been targeted.

The point being what? Clearly they're only ever going to entice those that are there in the area and passing-by anyway, no? Unless of course they walk round other areas of town inviting people too, as well as waiting in the doorways of shops/takeaways etc to personally invite people. Kinda like a paper-free flyering protocol. Maybe it's just me missing something though. :rolleyes:

I'm all for the Tenerife style though! Maybe's I should see if the missus fancies some extra pocket money. :thumbsup:

The majority of time flyers are given out it is to people who have been drinking and just throw them as they dont want them.

People go to fast food places and generally use bins.

Are you sure of this. I think you need to stand outside a chicken shop and see how much food is on floor on a friday or saturday night.
Its just the lazy council trying to get more money out of us tax payers by creating a new law. Road sweepers operate on a daily basis so i do not see the logic on them taxing clubs with fines. like i said earlier, why are clubs still putting boards up, this has been outlawed for like 3 years now. wait til next week when the students are back. it will be like Blackpool with the amount of boards on the streets.

The majority of time flyers are given out it is to people who have been drinking and just throw them as they dont want them.

People go to fast food places and generally use bins.

So drunk people shouldn't be held responsible for littering. Makes sense. Maybe they shouldn't be held responsible for fighting and throwing up in taxis either ;)

The council talked yesterday of outlawing flyering in the city centre. Cabinet meeting yesterday - should be on their website if it is of interest to you. £75 fine.

Just seems to me to be another way of stopping small time promoters advertise. Obviously litter's a problem but i don't see them fining kebab shops when someone chucks their doner on the floor or fining subway if someone dumps their packaging in the street. Do people asking you to take a direct debit out for Oxfam count as flyerers ?

Cant find it on the council website any ideas where it is?

But Subway/Kebab shops do not do the littering, and anyone found littering with said items would geta £50 fine

Nor do flyerers. They hand the flyer to the person. the person chooses whether or not to take it. If they do take it then it is their responsibility to ensure it does not end up on the floor. Simple really.

James - I was handed a copy of it by a colleague who went to the meeting on a separate issue.........

I too tried to find it on the website to post the link here but couldn't find it. Although I have in my hand this piece of paper.................i would pass it to you but for fear of being fined

http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/release.asp?akey=3827

Advertising leaflets on the street - the main city centre throughfares will have restrictions of individuals handing out free literature to help prevent littering and only specified organisations with the approval of the Licensing Board will be permitted to distribute material under certain conditions.

I wonder who the specified organisations will be.

Doesnt come as a surprise - I was talking to someone recently who's involved in a few city centre initiative type things and she was saying the council are really lookng to clamp down on posters/flyers particularly with the new student intake.

She suggested one option might be to have legal poster sites - I pointed out that happend quite a few years ago - but having one company with a monopoly effectively put legal postering out of the reach of small promoters.

Its a shame - as ever the majority of the mess round town will be caused by a few big clubs after the more mainstream end of the market - but its the smaller promoters that will get hit hardest...

She suggested one option might be to have legal poster sites - I pointed out that happend quite a few years ago - but having one company with a monopoly effectively put legal postering out of the reach of small promoters.

Its a shame - as ever the majority of the mess round town will be caused by a few big clubs after the more mainstream end of the market - but its the smaller promoters that will get hit hardest...

Spot on, I cannot imagine space advertising being happy with the idea of free legal sites to put posters up.

Warning: Rant.

Either by plain stupidity or by design, those at the helm of the council are making a good fist of destroying the amazing soul of this city. I think those people who are "in charge" and (who probably live in the suburbs or the country) probably think that a city is just a pretty collection of nice buildings, fancy lights and fountains.

On their occasional visits to other cities such as London, Paris, or perhaps Lisbon they are immediately struck by nice buildings and fancy lights and fountains and they think "ah yes, that's what makes a city". They have yet to learn that the reason why many people love London, Paris or Lisbon is not simply to stare blankly at gushing constructions but to eat at great restaurants and go to places like the Caveau de la Hauchette, 93 Feet East/Vibe Bar or Lux (or anywhere else in the Bairro Alto). By killing the independent creative soul of Sheffield they'll just turn the city into a huge Meadowhall. With row upon row of corporate souless corporate chain venues.

And wouldn't that be lovely?

I've always known that this city is ****ed up but it is starting to get very silly now.

I doubt promoters are worrying too much. It's like alot of things in life that get clamped down on.. People just find another way around it! All it means is promoters will resort to other forms of advertising. When I did flyering I did notice most of them ended up on the floor! What exactly is a drunk person going to do with your flyer except scan it, bin it or drop it. Plus it's so annoying to have flyers shoved onto your hand. As far as I know putting up those big flyers on lamp-posts have always been illegal but didn't stop people doing it.

Anyway, I'm sure people will just get around it. For example they'll resort to stickering people or lamp-posts... I mean, technically, that's not flying ? I don't know :P

Either by plain stupidity or by design, those at the helm of the council are making a good fist of destroying the amazing soul of this city.

That's abit dramatic :P

An observation - before flyering became such a big thing clubs used to have people go to them.

How about a compromise, don't flyer people coming out of clubs or pubs after a certain time. As ****ed up people are the ones that usually chuck them on the floor.
Or a radical one this. People who do flyering pick up all the discarded flyers. That way you get to flyer and not leave a mess.

An observation - before flyering became such a big thing clubs used to have people go to them.

How about a compromise, don't flyer people coming out of clubs or pubs after a certain time. .

I think there are a few different issues getting confused here. If you mainly go round west st/divison st etc - your main expereince of flyerers is probably going to be the big clubs heavily (and often messily) promoting their weekend or student nights. I think most of the concerns on this thread have come from folk inolved in smaller club nights who wouldnt normally dream of flyering West St.

Flyering for dance night anyway has been around since the late 80s - though its only relatively recently that the more mainstream nights have done it so heavily (and cause much more mess...)

In relation to your point - most clubs get arsey about your flyering before an event (though from experince I'd much prefer to be flyering at midnight as people go in than at 5:30/6:00am as people leave) - so doing it on the way out is the main way to do reach people...

Things do change though and email lists have become invaluable over the last few years - which is great for established nights - but not much use if you have just started and trying to build up a night...

I think there are a few different issues getting confused here. If you mainly go round west st/divison st etc - your main expereince of flyerers is probably going to be the big clubs heavily (and often messily) promoting their weekend or student nights. I think most of the concerns on this thread have come from folk inolved in smaller club nights who wouldnt normally dream of flyering West St.
Some very good points there, John. Of course, the best solution would be for the council to crack down harder on the overpromotion (which essentially does amount to littering) by the bigger nights and their indiscriminate pushing of flyers onto all and sundry, many of which will be discarded in a pile of vomit by the largely retarded throng as they leave clone bar x on West St. However, I have no confidence in the council to discriminate between the big nights which overpromote (for no real reason - there're usually plenty enough sheep to populate their markets) and the smaller, more culturally important nights that give the city some credibility, largely because they are a bunch of ****ing morons.
I love flyers. I love designing them, and (to a lesser extent these days), I love giving them out. I spend a long time thinking up design ideas, and I take the time to figure out what kind of person might be interested in my night, so that I know it won't be wasted. But there are far more dedicated people than me on this forum, who work hard to make their ideas real, improving the city's nightlife. And I believe mass communication, when given to someone personally, is not so much a nuisance as an invitation.
What annoys me is the blatant lack of discrimination, because it betrays on so many levels the council's lack of interest in anything good in this city, their utter ignorance, and their (and their enforcers') misplaced pride in making it cleaner, greener, safer, ****ter. Everyone gets ****** off seeing a million Woolworths-endorsed Radio 1 sanctioned crap commercial dance events being flyered and postered to buggery. But how cool is it when you see a symbol of creativity pasted on a crumbling wall? I know of a case where a small night was fined for flyposting, for a sum that eclipsed what would have been made by the event. They don't care that these pieces of public art - temporary, throw-away - are what makes a city feel alive.

What a bunch of ****ing stupid *****.

If the council outlaw flyering, I doubt it will have a huge effect on clubs such as Plug, Gatecrasher, Leadmill etc, who can afford to pay for advertisements in local and national press. Most clubbers tend to know what goes on there on any given day anyway.

It will be smaller nights that can't afford to pay over a grand for an advert that will suffer the most I feel.

Or a radical one this. People who do flyering pick up all the discarded flyers. That way you get to flyer and not leave a mess.

Whenever I have flyered I have always done this (as much as is possible anyway - surely if someone takes a flyer, and walks out of sight of the flyerer, then drops it on the floor, then it is definitely them who is littering). And I am sure were the independent promoters and clubs to be offered this compromise they would happily take it.

I somehow doubt any such compromise will be offered. I am not aware of much consultation taking place on this (then again, I probably wouldn't be).

James - I was handed a copy of it by a colleague who went to the meeting on a separate issue.........

I too tried to find it on the website to post the link here but couldn't find it. Although I have in my hand this piece of paper.................i would pass it to you but for fear of being fined


Now thats comedy

As a promoter I have increasingly seen the value of flyers dissappear. The clubbing public do now suffer from flyer fatigue. As promoters we shall have to become a little more inventive in our promotion techniques.

What I would add is that Sheffield City Council should disolve the monopoly that one company has with poster sites. They should also supply their own poster sites within the city centre to balance the fact that they can now fine promoters for boarding and flyering (I understand both may have ASBOs attached soon too).

Take a look at the very simple but effective poster sites in Leeds of which costs a fraction to advertise on compared to Sheffield and doesnt break the law.

I know one club owner in Sheffield has been trying to work with the council on alternative poster sites for ages but they just dont communicate I believe.

Having spoken to City Centre Management yesterday, we were advised that this issue has now proceeded to Cabinet, and that we will have to put representation to them.

For all venues/promoters i suggest that we work together on this issue.

please email me on adele@the-plug.com and we will organise a meeting asap once we have further details.

Bet the city's printers might have something to say too, there's a knock-on effect to them as well. :rolleyes:

Having spoken to City Centre Management yesterday, we were advised that this issue has now proceeded to Cabinet, and that we will have to put representation to them.

For all venues/promoters i suggest that we work together on this issue.

please email me on adele@the-plug.com and we will organise a meeting asap once we have further details.
So if you suggest you'll pick up the flyers you hand out and mostly get discarded, usually pretty quickly and the Council is welcome to fine anyone whose club's flyers are persistently on floor, you may get a workable solutuion.
Passing the buck by saying it's not the flyer who doing the littering is disingeuous. You know damn well that a lot of them will be chucked on floor just after you hand them out. Which is why there is such a mess.

The council is not going to distinguish between large clubs who hand out flyers and small clubs and really why should they. Where's the cut off point?

What I would add is that Sheffield City Council should disolve the monopoly that one company has with poster sites. They should also supply their own poster sites within the city centre to balance the fact that they can now fine promoters for boarding and flyering (I understand both may have ASBOs attached soon too).

Take a look at the very simple but effective poster sites in Leeds of which costs a fraction to advertise on compared to Sheffield and doesnt break the law.



I'm curious as to how do the Leeds boards work?

I can remember a time before Space when it was every man for themselves - and even if other nights/gigs didnt cover over your posters - the Socialist Workers would (obvously revolution pays no heed to such triffles as havinga good time...) - at least (in theory) if you pay Spaces charge s- you know they'll stay up, which wouldnt happen with a free for all..

Though I'll reiterate that Space is now beyond the price range of most small promoters...

I'm curious as to how do the Leeds boards work?

I can remember a time before Space when it was every man for themselves - and even if other nights/gigs didnt cover over your posters - the Socialist Workers would (obvously revolution pays no heed to such triffles as havinga good time...) - at least (in theory) if you pay Spaces charge s- you know they'll stay up, which wouldnt happen with a free for all..

Though I'll reiterate that Space is now beyond the price range of most small promoters...

Cant remember exactly who runs them (council / private) but when I enquired about 18 months ago it was just short of £200 to have the posters made and put up for around a month. For the same job in Sheffield it would have cost around £600.

Each poster 'post' has the contact number on it to make an enquiry (or I guess complain if your poster has covered too early)


Obviously prices may have changed since

thats the stupidest thing ever,no postering and now no flyering,how are nights meant to get known apart from by word of mouth?

Ive ahd a laugh flyering before,for nights like freshen up and Dubcentral,stand around with your mates,get a boombox goin,have a laugh,and people come to your night!

Even if it is outlawed ill still be stoodoutside FOP or the Students Union Dishing them out with a smile.

Totally agree - Been promoting my ass of for our launch party... gives a personal touch to it as well. (29th Sep @ Fez by the way!!)

I wanna see flyers going back to the styles of the good old days - i used to purposley go into town (back in l'pool) to collect cool and interesting artwork in the form of flyers (Cream, Love to Be, Voodoo etc etc). As such, we have commissioned a wicked artist to do the flip side of our flyers - keep your eyes open for the yellow lines with grass growing in the middle!

today a friend of mine in leeds was fined 75 pound for flyering,so its started in certain citys.

So, If my house get's robbed at Nightclub closing hours, and the Police don't have a patrol car available to come straight away, I can sleep well in the knowledge that some flyerer will have been arrested for a £75 fine for dishing out clubbers' roach paper. :rant:

yeah,thats about the jist of it.

So, If my house get's robbed at Nightclub closing hours, and the Police don't have a patrol car available to come straight away, I can sleep well in the knowledge that some flyerer will have been arrested for a £75 fine for dishing out clubbers' roach paper. :rant:

The police told you they would do this?

The police told you they would do this?

No, just a touch of sarcasm. :|

No, just a touch of sarcasm. :|
Likewise ;)

yeah but alcohol exclusion zones are an arse in sheff.so free shots wont work,but i bet babes will.

Depends on whether you want a club full of men who were enticed in by the 'babes' while all the women customers went somewhere a bit less sexist, doesn't it?

Sausage fest in progress....not nice