This road that runs from the Wicker to Penistone Road and Hoyle Street is expected to cut congestion and revive the city centre. It is claimed that motorists will see a 'marked' reduction in congestions and improved travelling times. The road is not due to open until 2007. By 2007 congestion will probably be greater than it is now so any improvements will still need further improvements.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/3914211.stm

Agree totally, by the time stuff gets done, too late, only just keeping up, never in front as intended.

so as a moderate person whats your brainwave of a conclusion

Does anyone know when this is due to start? On the councils website it says end of the year.

http://sccplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/press/news/aRelease.asp?akey=1784&Mon=01/04/2004

Originally posted by wiseguy
so as a moderate person whats your brainwave of a conclusion

Mine is ban cars from the city centre. Obviously this would necessitate looking at improving some of the roads that bypass the city centre.

People will say that this will lead further to the degradation of the city centre compared to Meadowhall, but I'm not convinced by that.

How the hell can anyone predict just what the traffic situation will be like in 2007? And how can they come up with a concrete solution to a largely hypothetical situation? It's a load of gubbins.

In my opinion, people get paid large sums of money for gambling with our money.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
How the hell can anyone predict just what the traffic situation will be like in 2007? And how can they come up with a concrete solution to a largely hypothetical situation? It's a load of gubbins.

In my opinion, people get paid large sums of money for gambling with our money.

erm, we need this road now, we will only need it more in 2007.

these people getting paid large sums of money... i'd hope that the best people for the job decide how my money is spent, and if the council has to pay them a large amount for their services, then so be it. better than getting a work experience student in to f*** it up.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I doubt whether the planners really know what they are doing. Looking at past failed projects like Kelvin Flats and Norfolk Park gives me no confidence.

of course planners can never KNOW whats around the corner, but they can get a pretty good idea by looking at historical trends or changing patterns in demographics and car ownership. there are different factors that can be taken into account as well as changing attitudes to transport or attitudes to car use that can be used to 'predict and provide'. It is very hard to be 100% accurate, but general predicitions can be made.
One problem is if you, for example, predict that car ownership will rise and cars entering the city centre will rise, and you take measures such as a congestion charge to counteract this, then in 10 years time, you won't know if the cars entering the city centre has been reduced because of the charges introduced, or because your prediction was wrong in the first place. When making a prediction, you don't know that the future is a consequence of action taken, or just that the prediciton was wrong. Because you took action, it changes immediatly the future and what would have naturally occured.

Well it'll be good to get a proper east-to-west route from the Wicker down to Shalesmoor. At the moment you have to cut through backstreets, i.e. Stanley Street, Nursery Street, Mowbray Street, Ball Street, Cornish Street.

Going the other way is much easier, of course, because Corporation Street is one-way in that direction.

The whole thinking is "a lot of cars go down that route now, how can we provide for them?"

Before it is pointed out to me, I am aware that cars are driven by people - but planners whould be looking at what is best for people, not what is best for cars.

Cars are a means to an end, not an end in themselves.

Apart from tearing down houses that road isn't going to change anything, Bonk Street ans the Wicker will still be just as congested as it is now, even though ther eis Cutlers way which is fairly useless... It's to town people wanna go, not around it, there's the M1 for that (hence why Sheffield does not possess a 2x2 m'way style ring road).

I predict that the number of car owners will actually fall in the next two years.

My forecast is based on the fact that due to the impending vehicular staticisational crisis, people will think twice about buying cars as eventually there will be nowhere to park them.

With the current estimate of 36,016,021.4 cars in the UK, the minimum requirement would be for at least the same number of parking slots to fit them into.

By November 2006, I have worked out that we will have a shortfall of 27 parking spaces in Sheffield alone.

Frightening stuff, eh.

I don't know whether to build a drive or buy some strong shoes.

Originally posted by Sam Miguel
I predict that the number of car owners will actually fall in the next two years.

My forecast is based on the fact that due to the impending vehicular staticisational crisis, people will think twice about buying cars as eventually there will be nowhere to park them.


With the population rising and a new crop of new drivers on the road every year it's hardly likely that car numbers will fall.

There's got to be a serious effort to provide a public transportation network that is good enough to persuade someone to get rid of their car. It's not going to happen in the current political climate where the general consensus is that the car is king and busses are for poor people.

Ah, but if there are no parking places left to put cars into, what's the point in owning one? I mean, getting from 'A' to 'B' will truly be a thing of the past.

For example, in the unlikely event that you were actually lucky enough to be parked at 'A' before you set off, what is the likelihood of 'B' offering you the same luxury once you got there?

Next to none, I would say. In an extension of my prediction, by the year 2010, there will only be parking places for 73.4% of the nation's cars if we carry on at this rate.

Cars will have to go, I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Apart from tearing down houses that road isn't going to change anything

Thankfully there aren't any houses in the way. It's almost all factories and warehouses and most of them are pretty run-down.

Originally posted by Yodameister
Mine is ban cars from the city centre.
What about those who live in the city center?
Public transport is a joke so that isn't an option?

The new road will do more than help the traffic, it will help regenerate a very dark and unsafe area of town.

For those who mentioned banning cars from the city centre you may have noticed that it's very difficult to go across town by any route other than the ring road. This is intentional.

The only cross-town route is Paternoster Row - Furnival Gate - Charter Row - Rockingham Street/Carver Street. Even this route has now been cut as you can't get to Paternoster row from Sheaf Square anymore (again, this is intentional).

Problem is when the council introduce stupid and arbitrary restrictions, for example having to turn left up Pinstone Street from Furnival Gate at Moorhead, then this is invariably met with workarounds on the part of motorists, such as U-turning at Cambridge Street.

Originally posted by Captain_Scarlet
Apart from tearing down houses that road isn't going to change anything, Bonk Street ans the Wicker will still be just as congested as it is now, even though ther eis Cutlers way which is fairly useless... It's to town people wanna go, not around it, there's the M1 for that (hence why Sheffield does not possess a 2x2 m'way style ring road).

i disagree completely. I regularly make my way along with a hole lot of other cars from walkley through to junc 33 of the m1. The only sensible way to do this is to go through the city centre. A bypass from penistone road to the parkway would solve that journey for me and for most of the other cars taking that route.
If the exit from the parkway is well before park square roundabout then it will reduce the size of the queue up to parksquare as half of that is traffic going right across town to penistone road.

Banning cars in the city centre would reduce congestion there, but it's hardly a very clever solution, it's simply moving the congestion to elsewhere and making it nearly impossible to get around town (because the routes don't exist to go around it). People don't drive through the centre because it's scenic, they do it because there's no better way to get where they are going.

Originally posted by Cyclone

If the exit from the parkway is well before park square roundabout then it will reduce the size of the queue up to parksquare as half of that is traffic going right across town to penistone road.

They've already built the Parkway end of the road. It's named Cutlers Gate and runs from the Parkway just before Victoria Quays and currently gets as far as Wicker where it just ends at a set of lights.

However Parkway traffic can use it before it gets to Park Square so the knock-on effect of reducting congestion at PS, as you hope for, will certainly happen when the road is completed.

Ofcause it won't work. Our council will put pedestrian crossings every 50 yards. What is their obsession with traffic lights? Look at the new Eyre Street/Arundel Gate and the FOUR set of lights at the top of Upper Hanover Street (Traffic lights, pedestrian crossing, another pedestrian crossing then more lights at University roundabout) which are totally responsible for huge tailbacks down to Ecclesall Road roundabout.

Funny have smoothly traffic flows when the lights aren't working...,

This new inner relief road falls way short of what Sheffield really needs to solve the traffic problem. Living in the South West of the city it is impossible to get anywhere else in Sheffield without using Eccesall Road or Glossop Road. Both of which are small single carrageways, that cannot cope with the volumes of traffic that currently use them.

Nothing short of a complete ring road, will allow sheffield to grow and prosper as a city. It can take me up to 50 minutes to get from Ranmoor to the M1 in rush hour traffic. Please do something about this.

Problem with Sheffield is the topology. The reason Abbeydale Road, Ecclesall Road, etc, are so busy is they follow the line of the valleys.

Just look at the descent from Gleadless Townend to Heeley Green. Imagine trying to put a new road anywhere near there...

Originally posted by Ousetunes
Ofcause it won't work. Our council will put pedestrian crossings every 50 yards. What is their obsession with traffic lights? Look at the new Eyre Street/Arundel Gate and the FOUR set of lights at the top of Upper Hanover Street (Traffic lights, pedestrian crossing, another pedestrian crossing then more lights at University roundabout) which are totally responsible for huge tailbacks down to Ecclesall Road roundabout.


Funny have smoothly traffic flows when the lights aren't working...,

Perhaps you would prefer a world with no pedestrians. If you're in the car in the city centre then you're part of the congestion problem. If you don't like driving in the city centre then park outside and walk in or get the tram. Never know, you might even get some exercise.

The pedestrian crossings are there because the rest of like to be able to cross the road conveniently and safely without having to stand too long in the ******* rain whilst car drivers trundle along in their little personal bubbles oblivious to the world around them.

I think you'll find that it's the volume of cars that are responsible for the huge tailbacks; not the traffic lights.

Originally posted by ptigga
Perhaps you would prefer a world with no pedestrians. If you're in the car in the city centre then you're part of the congestion problem. If you don't like driving in the city centre then park outside and walk in or get the tram. Never know, you might even get some exercise.

The pedestrian crossings are there because the rest of like to be able to cross the road conveniently and safely without having to stand too long in the ******* rain whilst car drivers trundle along in their little personal bubbles oblivious to the world around them.

I think you'll find that it's the volume of cars that are responsible for the huge tailbacks; not the traffic lights.

I generally agree with you. I've actually begun walking instead of taking the car (in a business capacity) and indeed, getting some exercise can only be good for me! (It's made me realise how unfit I am.)

But, it's the amount of pedestrian crossings that annoys me - yes, admittedly as a motorist. That stretch I mentioned doesn't need so many lights. As a major artery around the city centre I would have thought the idea was keep the traffic moving and to get it to where it's going.

Originally posted by ptigga
Perhaps you would prefer a world with no pedestrians. If you're in the car in the city centre then you're part of the congestion problem. If you don't like driving in the city centre then park outside and walk in or get the tram. Never know, you might even get some exercise.

The pedestrian crossings are there because the rest of like to be able to cross the road conveniently and safely without having to stand too long in the ******* rain whilst car drivers trundle along in their little personal bubbles oblivious to the world around them.

I think you'll find that it's the volume of cars that are responsible for the huge tailbacks; not the traffic lights.

I can see that working really well. I'll walk through the town centre, then realise that i need my car to carry on with the journey.
As I already said, i don't drive through the town centre because it's pretty, i drive through it because even with the congestion it's still the quickest route from one side of sheffield to the other.
If you want cars out of the centre, make it possible to go around it.

does anyone know if you can veiw the plans online for the finished new ring rd at shalesmoor and exactly what buildings are being demolished to make way i know the nags head is going but that is all

The RSPCA kennels on Spring street are also being done away with

Originally posted by WALLBUILDER
The RSPCA kennels on Spring street are also being done away with

Have they got a new home yet?

Last month I was talking to the RSPCA treasurer [I think] and he said the council had to give them a place of a size so it conforms to rules and regs. about the size of compounds. They'd like to find a bigger place and put the extra money to get it so they can enlarge the numbers of kennels they have at present. Apparently though there are all sorts of problems about the location of suitable premises, i.e. distance from houses.
So as of a month ago they were still looking.

heard the meadow pub netherthorpe is coming down,thats got to be a good 1/2 mile from spring street shelter.......how big is this ring road going to be ?

Originally posted by depoix
heard the meadow pub netherthorpe is coming down,thats got to be a good 1/2 mile from spring street shelter.......how big is this ring road going to be ?

Whatever....it won't be big enough :D

You can get an idea of what is proposed on this council webpage.
It is not the clearest of maps but with an A to Z by your side, you can just about work it out.


http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/index.asp?pgid=18409

I cut through Alma Street just about every day on the way to work. Would be a shame to see some of the buildings go.

Does anyone know the proposed completion date?

As far as I have heard it is to be completed 2007. Don't know if thats the beginning or the end.

I wonder if it will be built at great expense and disruption (including affecting those businesses and residents whose buildings are torn down) and then in about 20 years time it will be downgraded to a single lane wobbly road with very wide footpaths. Perhaps something like Charter Row or perhaps like Arundel Gate or perhaps ....etc.

Originally posted by cgksheff
You can get an idea of what is proposed on this council webpage.
It is not the clearest of maps but with an A to Z by your side, you can just about work it out.

And once it's complete, that is the boundary for congestion charges.
Up to now, they would have difficulty applying a charge because the layout of the city centre meant you had to go through it to get to certain parts. Once this road is complete, there is a path right round and if you want to go in, pay up.

Originally posted by rinty
And once it's complete, that is the boundary for congestion charges.
Up to now, they would have difficulty applying a charge because the layout of the city centre meant you had to go through it to get to certain parts. Once this road is complete, there is a path right round and if you want to go in, pay up.

Well done - even I hadn't forseen that one. Bet you're right.

Work on the new Northern section of the inner relief road has officially started, with Transport Minister Tony McNulty cutting the first sod on the 1.5km route.

The minister refused to be confirm whether the road would actually reduce congestion when it's completed (that's still two and a half years away) but he did warn that drivers may be charged under a national road pricing sheme, with a possible congestion charge on top.

Double tax on drivers mapped out (http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=58&ArticleID=895448) - Sheffield Star article

A MINISTER in Sheffield to start a new road scheme delivered a double whammy to the city's drivers - warning they may face two separate charges to use their cars in future

I think that traffic congestion is one of the biggest problems of the modern world. We can't just knock swathes of buildings down. Look at the 25 year campain which halted the heeley bypass, where heeley city farm is now.

Traffic is always intolerable in the run up to christmas. We will inevitably have congestion charges, and more public transport. I am guilty of driving a big 2litre car with only me inside backwards and forewards, because it's convenient. But probably the only thing which would stop me commuting would be a congestion charge. I really only need the car to carry equipment for my various musical activities when I take lots of equipment which I wouldn't be able to carry alone.

I would just like to add a few things to this....

Congestion charges - totally unfair. My dad has to travel into the city centre on business (window cleaner) and needs his car. No one can argue that he doesnt need it, unless they want to get three sets of ladders on a bus. £5 congestion charge every day (as in London) equates to £25 per week, or £100 per month. Result, his prices will have to go up to cover costs. Same goes for deliveries to shops, so as a result, I guarantee that products you buy in town will cost more.

Also, it will simply kill city centre shopping, which is dead enough anyway, and any revival wont happen. Meadowhall will become more popular, and the car parks there wont cope either.

Whoever said leave cars at home, see the above. Also, if I were to leave my car outside the city and park and ride, my wife and I would have to pay £5 per day (£3 park and ride, £2 return fare for my wife). Again, £100 per month when I now park for free at Shalesmoor and walk in. I simply cant afford that extra cost. I dont have that much spare cash. The people who say dont bring cars into town either live close enough to walk, dont drive, or have money. Either way, think of others before suggesting things like that please.

The new ring road will cause chaos for a number of years. Time to relocate to a better planned city I think!

Originally posted by rinty
And once it's complete, that is the boundary for congestion charges.
Up to now, they would have difficulty applying a charge because the layout of the city centre meant you had to go through it to get to certain parts. Once this road is complete, there is a path right round and if you want to go in, pay up.

Rinty - you are a prophet. A few days after you suggest this - some berk politician is in Sheffield cutting the first sod for the road and they're on about extra charges / congestion charges etc. In the Star tonight.

Originally posted by Mooseyb
The new ring road will cause chaos for a number of years.

That's as may be, but it will be worth it. Was the tram worth the disruption it took to build? Absolutely.

Originally posted by rinty
And once it's complete, that is the boundary for congestion charges.
Up to now, they would have difficulty applying a charge because the layout of the city centre meant you had to go through it to get to certain parts. Once this road is complete, there is a path right round and if you want to go in, pay up.

Bet that would make parking fun at Bramall Lane on home games. Everyone scrambling to park on the Bramall Lane side of the ring road rather than the Eyre Street side where car parks are in place for people err parking.

It will be a mini M25. What goes around will come around

Better that than the current congestion!

Originally posted by pberry
That's as may be, but it will be worth it. Was the tram worth the disruption it took to build? Absolutely.

But not for those of us who, through decisions made by those in authority, will never have a tram route near our homes.

A lot of us are moaning about this road, but it IS needed and will make a difference to journey times. It will reduce congestion at Park Square no end and will reduce through traffic in the Wicker area.

No decision will please everyone, but the current ring road is crap, so I welcome the new one. By the time its completed, Sheffield Station works will also be complete so Sheaf Street will be more pleasant to drive along as well.

Threads merged.

Originally posted by Abdul
But not for those of us who, through decisions made by those in authority, will never have a tram route near our homes.

Join the club. Those of us who chose to live slightly further out of sheffield have no chance of the tram ever coming here. Shame as I would use it too.

There should be car parks dotted along the inner ring road, like pearls on a necklace. 90% of the city centre would then be within walkling distance of these car parks for 90% of people.

It's ridiculous that 50 years on and they still haven't completed the inner ring road, and the Civic Circle[1] has been acknowledged as a bad idea - but not before it made a mess of the city centre.

[1] Arundle Gate, Furnival Gate, Chruch Street, Carver Street, Chruch Street, High Street were planned to be a inner inner ring road, the Civic Squashed Oblong. See "Sheffield Replanned", SCC, 1948, available at the Central Library for a vision of Hel... what the council in 1948 thought Sheffield should look like.

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JGH

I remember when Craggs came and picked me up the last time, he was coming from Walkley, and that roundabout was murderous - near the interchange. He parked around the back of the interchange - where the pub is - know it?

But yes, Sheffield city seems regularly congested - especially where Centertainment etc is, around there; queues and queues of traffic.

Have they still got those temporary traffic lights there?

Alex

It'll never work (congestion charges) in Sheffield. Not for years (10 at least). The city is desperate to get people in; it would end shopping in Sheffield.

You have to admire their cheek though. The council planners create the congestion...then they charge you for it :P

Originally posted by jgharston

It's ridiculous that 50 years on and they still haven't completed the inner ring road, ...



Don't think they ever started on the northern route ?

The roads comprising the route from Brightside Lane, - along Upwell Street, Rushby Street, Owler Lane, and the lower part of Herries Road are essentially as they were over a hundred years ago in terms of traffic capacity.

The stupidity of it would be laughable except that some people have to live with 'Ring Road' traffic just a metre from their front door.

Guys, sorry to ressurect such an old thread!

I have just been looking at the path of the new ring road, (http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/whats-new/connecting-sheffield/getting-to-the-city-centre/enlarged-map) and I can see that from the parkway, the road will cross the wicker at the site of the new extension, and then reappear at the site of the garage / carwash at the end of Corporation Street / Chatham Street. I'm a bit lost as to where it will go then to link to the junction on the site of the Nag's Head pub?

Can anyone help, or does anyone have a more detailed map?

K x

Up Corporation Street and along Gibralter Street I believe.

Originally posted by Vanbast
Up Corporation Street and along Gibralter Street I believe.

To me it seems to go part way on Corporation Street, and part way on Gibralter Street, but I can't work out how these bits link? It seems to go through Alma Street somewhere, but I can't tell.

K x

I hear what you're saying Abdul about not being served by the tram, it's as bad down S7 at the moment. But if we made more of a fuss about wanting the tram extended, maybe it could be pushed through.

IMHO the tram needs to be the main public transport network in sheffield (much more reliable than buses, much easier to navigate as its stops at distinct stops, much easier for visitors/tourists (!) to find their way around) and the buses should connect with it as a secondary network. But some people in areas like ranmoor are so vocal against it (because they are happy to use their cars and complain about congestion) that it looks unsupported: it's up to us to reverse this situation.

Regarding the new ring road, the thing I'm most excited about is what it will mean for Nursery street and the river side. Hopefully the area will be developed into an area comparable to other big cities waterfront areas, and we might even get somewhere with the canal basin. How cool would that be for sheffield: a working water quarter.

There are a couple of downloadable .PDF files on this page:

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/index.asp?pgid=45657

whcih show the route of the Ring Road from the Wicker to Shalesmoor.

I am sure it will do a lot to ease traffic flow around the city - I'm just not sure how I'm going to get from my place onto Nursery Street!

Originally posted by MrHelicopter
There are a couple of downloadable .PDF files on this page:

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/index.asp?pgid=45657

whcih show the route of the Ring Road from the Wicker to Shalesmoor.

I am sure it will do a lot to ease traffic flow around the city - I'm just not sure how I'm going to get from my place onto Nursery Street!

That link was EXACTLY what I was needing - thanks for your help! :thumbsup:

K x

How cool would that be for sheffield: a working water quarter.

Well we already have Victoria Quays of course, though it's just that little too far from the centre of town. Great little bar/club there though...

On the Councils web site:-

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/out--about/irr

Looks good!

i hope this relives penistone road of some of its traffic, its a nightmare at rush hour

Originally posted by chri5
On the Councils web site:-

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/out--about/irr

Looks good! You need your eyes fixed ! That or you haven't looked at them two PDFs !!! :rant: :rant:

Of course I've read both PDF's. The finished product will be far better than what we currently have.
I should know I live right in the middle of it!

Threads merged.

do you think that the new inner ring road will bypass traffic congestion in sheffield city centre or make things worse?

please vote in the poll!!!

This has been discussed in depth here:

Sheffield Northern Inner Relief Road - Will it work? (http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?postid=143052)

But it's a good idea to use a poll.

Contact a Mod to merge the two threads.

Threads merged, thanks.

does anyone know whats going on at the old car hire place near nursery street? possibly a base of operations for the IRR?

Alex

In case anyone is interested, here is a link to a PDF file that shows the inner relief road and where it is going to go.
:)

http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/EasySite/lib/serveDocument.asp?doc=26506&pgid=45657

neeeeeeeeeek, did you see the article in the Burngreave messenger?

It says the wicker will be closed to cars travelling into town...

Mod:Threads merged.

While there at it when are they going to improve the stretch between Broomspring Lane /Upper Hanover Street to Brook Hill Roundabout. What an A**e they made of that where the Supertram stretch joins.

Saw that pinlock, what will come of the many chicken shops!!
Looks like everyone (except me cycling to work) will be forced up and round onto park square roundabout.