I was driving back from Manchester last night, and from Bamford a range rover arrived behind me and proceeded to almost blind me with its headlights; maybe range rovers just have very bright lights even when dipped, but more likely the driver had them on full beam. I was trying to get his attention by dipping/undipping my lights repeatedly, and by even flicking my lights completely off and back on again several times, but the message didn't get through. Does anybody know of any good tricks to warning somebody that their lights are on full?

Hazard lights. Then even if he doesn't dip his lights he will pobably back off enough so as to not dazzle you. It has worked for me in the past. Or pull over and let him pass, galling I know but safer maybe.

You may be right that they had them on main beam, but having driven a fairly low slung car I found that if 4x4s don't have their dipps adjusted right they can still be quite high cos the car is so much higher.

My only usual way is to slow down, let them pass and then flick to main a fwe times and hope they get the idea.

Just ignore it! Range Rovers and all those other fantastic 4x4's that get you over the rocky roads we have these days are higher off the ground and so dazzle generally anyway, nothing you can do about it except move to a position where they no longer dazzle...

And if they were in the middle lane of the M1 last night being overtaken by me, in a daze like so many car drivers these days - you wouldn't have a chance of getting a message across anyway! I say we should all start fixing these lit up message boards to the front and backs of our cars that are voice activated... hehe what fun that would be! :twisted:

Slam your breaks on.

fog light flicked on and off several times.

Or being a huge fat SUV, leave it behind.

Most rear view mirrors have a thing at the bottom so you can flick it down if you're being dazzled.. You can still see through it, but without the dazzle..

Fog light 'em...

Pull over and let them pass and then give them the same treatment.

You could always buy one of those LED message boards and stick it in your back window :)

Just slow down to 20 mph they will soon get the message:cool:

I was being dazzled by a 4x4 coming back over that way last night - I just pulled over and let him past. Nothing else I could have done really as his lights were dipped - his car was just higher than mine!!!

Definately flick your fog lights and/or hazards on and leave them on until the car behind decides to let you know you have left some lights on and when they reach for their high beam stalk !!! hey presto.

If they persist, pull over until they pass and then follow them with yours on, see how they like it :thumbsup:

Err, hang on a cotton picking minute. If a driver has his / her lights on dipped beam just what is he supposed to do? Switch off his lights?

A Range Rover with xenon lights will be a bit brighter than a normal headlight setup I'm afraid, and yes it will be higher up, so if you can't cope you'll just have to get out of the way. More and more cars have these new lights so it's time to get used to it.

The very worst thing that you can do is to try to blind them in some daft attempt at getting your own back. You'll look pretty stupid in a coffin with the epitaph "he blinded me so I blinded him".

:roll:

..A Range Rover with xenon lights will be a bit brighter than a normal headlight setup I'm afraid, and yes it will be higher up, so if you can't cope you'll just have to get out of the way. More and more cars have these new lights so it's time to get used to it.

Eh? Maybe someone in authority should revisit the suitability of such lights?
They're a pain in the arse. I find Xenons far more irritating and distracting than the inappropriate use of front fogs (assuming they are well adjusted).

well said tony

well said tony
wats that ad sf etc mean hun:)

Eh? Maybe someone in authority should revisit the suitability of such lights?
They're a pain in the arse. I find Xenons far more irritating and distracting than the inappropriate use of front fogs (assuming they are well adjusted).
Well funnily enough I don't care a hoot about them on other cars, but the extra vision and safety that they provide is valuable.

There are people who have night vision problems where they might cause issues, but frankly normal headlights will too so you have to ask why those people are driving at night.

1 temporarily (but unintentionally) blinded driver is dangerous and unfortunate, but flicking on your main beam / fog lights to make 2 blind drivers is the height of stupidity.

They stand for graffiti crews

i know now thax bbz:)

If the range rover's lights were dipped and the driver understood the hint I was dropping, they could have communicated this by flicking their lights on to full beam so I could see that they had been dipped.

A Range Rover with xenon lights will be a bit brighter than a normal headlight setup I'm afraid, and yes it will be higher up, so if you can't cope you'll just have to get out of the way. More and more cars have these new lights so it's time to get used to it.


I agree that it's probably something we have to get used to, but we shouldn't have to. The law is quite specific about how much light a vehicle's headlamps are allowed to shine (and in which direction), and bigger vehicles don't require or get any exemptions.

Err, hang on a cotton picking minute. If a driver has his / her lights on dipped beam just what is he supposed to do? Switch off his lights?

A Range Rover with xenon lights will be a bit brighter than a normal headlight setup I'm afraid, and yes it will be higher up, so if you can't cope you'll just have to get out of the way. More and more cars have these new lights so it's time to get used to it.

The very worst thing that you can do is to try to blind them in some daft attempt at getting your own back. You'll look pretty stupid in a coffin with the epitaph "he blinded me so I blinded him".

:roll:

If they are dazzling drivers then there is a problem with them and you should get your vehicle fixed.

I was driving back from Manchester last night, and from Bamford a range rover arrived behind me and proceeded to almost blind me with its headlights; maybe range rovers just have very bright lights even when dipped, but more likely the driver had them on full beam. I was trying to get his attention by dipping/undipping my lights repeatedly, and by even flicking my lights completely off and back on again several times, but the message didn't get through. Does anybody know of any good tricks to warning somebody that their lights are on full?

via the medium of dance! :P

Why dont you just all walk???

I had this come up as a question in my theory test. I got the answer wrong by saying adjust your mirror. However, it never actually gave me the right answer. Multi-choice, can't remember what the other options were though. Ruined.

Pull over and let them pass you

If 4*4 lights are higher, why do they dazzle and lorries don't?

In what way are xenon lights meant to be 'safer'?

In the sense that anyone coming the other way ends up driving into a hedge as you effectively give them full beam every time your front wheel hits a pebble? (after the obligatory rainbow sequence of course just to ensure both rods and cones are frazzled...)

safer for the driver with them maybe, as they are effectively brighter and thus illuminate further ahead.
They are also self levelling so it should be impossible for them to be badly adjusted.

Switch YOUR lights off,
or do a handbrake turn,
or jettison something out the sunroof like the jack handle,
or turn the ignition off and on again, which results in a loud bang, enough to scare the s**t out of them, (You need a strong exhaust for this)
or wave a white stick out the window,
or draw the curtains,
or start ringing random numbers on your mobile till you get to him/her,
or turn on your wash/wipe back and front and leave it on,
or swerve all over the road.

Can't think what else I've done.

Seriously, none of these stupid tricks, just slow and let them pass it's that easy.

If they are dazzling drivers then there is a problem with them and you should get your vehicle fixed.

No, If there is a problem with their car, then they should get their vehicle fixed.

No.
If they (the headlights that Tony was talking about) are dazzling drivers, then there is a problem with them (the headlights) and you (Tony) should get your vehicle (a car is a type of vehicle) fixed.

No.
(a car is a type of vehicle)

Is that meant to be funny, because I find that remark offensive.

1 temporarily (but unintentionally) blinded driver is dangerous and unfortunate,

- you mean unfortunate if this temporarily (but unintentionally) blinded driver runs off the road and is killed. ? Unfortunate indeed, but of course the following driver would be blameless because his stupidity was unintentional :hihi:

Switch YOUR lights off,
or do a handbrake turn,
or jettison something out the sunroof like the jack handle,
or turn the ignition off and on again, which results in a loud bang, enough to scare the s**t out of them, (You need a strong exhaust for this)
or wave a white stick out the window,
or draw the curtains,
or start ringing random numbers on your mobile till you get to him/her,
or turn on your wash/wipe back and front and leave it on,
or swerve all over the road.

Can't think what else I've done.

Seriously, none of these stupid tricks, just slow and let them pass it's that easy.


that was class!:D

You forgot .........
...............Chuck an empty bottle of coca cola out the window.

If they are dazzling drivers then there is a problem with them and you should get your vehicle fixed.

There's nothing wrong with xenon lights, but because they are still a little unusual I do believe that there is a 'perception' of dazzle that isn't actually true. The same goes for foglights... which are aimed at the ground!

FOGlights (the clue is in the name) should not be used unless required, that includes front ones. front fogs used just because it is dark are a pain in the ass, not to mention an offence which can now result in a fixed penlty. yes they are aimed at a lower angle than headlights, but they still dazzle, not to mention reducing the visability of front indicators to oncoming traffic (though the mentality of night-time front fog users is such that their indicators are probably optional anyway). back to the original question, yes, some lights are brighter than others on some makes of car. if you are sure the car behind has theirs on, you could POLITELY give your rear fogs a brief flash (not leave them on) and it wouldnt hurt to thank the driver if he/she then dips them, same for approaching vehicle, brief headlight fash and a thankyou. Other than that, either adjust the mirror or let them pass. road rage is never a good thing under any circumstance, niether is stupidity, two wrongs dont make a right

how exactly do you recommend thanking them?

....if you are sure the car behind has theirs on, you could POLITELY give your rear fogs a brief flash (not leave them on) and it wouldnt hurt to thank the driver if he/she then dips them, same for approaching vehicle, brief headlight fash and a thankyou....
I'm all for politeness and consideration on the road, but in this situation I'dve thought an apology from the vehicle behind/oncoming is in order if he/she has full beam on.... achieved by a simple blip of full beam once they have been dipped.

Well a car behind is easily thanked for rectifying their mistake, just a left hand-up gesture is all it takes and is seen by a following car. as for them apologising, most people have genuinly left on/knocked on their main beam by mistake and not realised.

There's nothing wrong with xenon lights, but because they are still a little unusual I do believe that there is a 'perception' of dazzle that isn't actually true. The same goes for foglights... which are aimed at the ground!

Yes there is! Other drivers cannot see where they are driving when people blind them with headlights too bright. They really should be made illegal IMO.

There are a whole wealth of regulations covering the different kinds of beam, the allowed brightness, the angle at which the beam is allowed to shine, etc. Or to put it more simply (highway code no. 94):
You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users (Law RVLR reg 27).

Seems clear enough to me.

P.S. I think there must be a real problem with people not turning their foglights off after visibility improves, because there were so many questions in the driving theory test about when you should turn them off. Clearly something they're trying to drill into new drivers.

Well a car behind is easily thanked for rectifying their mistake, just a left hand-up gesture is all it takes and is seen by a following car. as for them apologising, most people have genuinly left on/knocked on their main beam by mistake and not realised.

I see what you mean. But personally I find that I can't see into other cars in the dark, so I doubt that such a gesture would be visible unless you stuck your arm out of the window.

Something reflective across the back of your back passanger seats works every time then they back off.

Pull up, sideways across the road, leap out of your car brandishing an axe and run towards them.
If they stay, smash the lights in, if they leave, continue your journey and leave the area before the police arrive :wink:

Something reflective across the back of your back passanger seats works every time then they back off.
That's a good tip. :thumbsup:

A sheet of tin foil should do the trick.

I find them more of a pain in the arse when they're overtaking but not fast enough to actually pass you, just hovering in your wing mirror. THAT's bloody annoying.

Also, check your brake lights people. Every motorway journey I've made so far this year, I've been behind - in the distance or otherwise - someone whose brake lights are stuck on. Equally dazzling and also bloody annoying. But what do you do?

Also, check your brake lights people. Every motorway journey I've made so far this year, I've been behind - in the distance or otherwise - someone whose brake lights are stuck on. Equally dazzling and also bloody annoying. But what do you do?
Er - that's pretty unusual, lots of brake lights stuck on, considering how rarely that happens.

Are you confusing it with people who leave their foglights on. That happens often enough, usually by female drivers, in my experience.

That's a good tip. :thumbsup:

A sheet of tin foil should do the trick.
Alternatively: Redirect you rearview mirror so their lights are reflected straight back and slightly upwards.

I remember driving back from Nottingham to Leicester a few years ago at 3am with a van full of dosh and this....car was behind me with full headlights on.
I simply let him overtake me and then i politely turned my beams to full and drove RIGHT up his arse! Then slowly accellerated until We were doing about 70.
The poor bugger was weaving around trying to get me off his back and i bet he didnt dare try to blind anyone else after that.

There are a whole wealth of regulations covering the different kinds of beam, the allowed brightness, the angle at which the beam is allowed to shine, etc. Or to put it more simply (highway code no. 94):
You MUST NOT
use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users (Law RVLR reg 27).

Seems clear enough to me.

P.S. I think there must be a real problem with people not turning their foglights off after visibility improves, because there were so many questions in the driving theory test about when you should turn them off. Clearly something they're trying to drill into new drivers.




Half the motorists do not know what fog lights are for
1 I think it looks good

2 My hudsband must have left them switched on

3 I do'nt know where the switch is

4 What fog lights.


As for being dazzeled by the car behind. I have found that it is the wing mirrors that catch the lights so adjusting them helps and sometimes shines back at the driver behind.

I must admit that it's rare that I see a car with front fogs on. The same goes for light up washer jets, etc.

Perhaps the Police have had a bit of a crackdown.

Err, hang on a cotton picking minute. If a driver has his / her lights on dipped beam just what is he supposed to do? Switch off his lights?

A Range Rover with xenon lights will be a bit brighter than a normal headlight setup I'm afraid, and yes it will be higher up, so if you can't cope you'll just have to get out of the way. More and more cars have these new lights so it's time to get used to it.

The very worst thing that you can do is to try to blind them in some daft attempt at getting your own back. You'll look pretty stupid in a coffin with the epitaph "he blinded me so I blinded him".

:roll:
Does this mean that we have to get used to vehicles driving with badly adjusted lights ?
Surely any decent motorist makes sure his car is fit for the road.
To say 'youll have to get used to my badly set up shed' is not the way is it?

They aren't badly adjusted, in fact they legally have to be fitted with washers and automatic adjusters. As I said before, I think it's a perception.

Can you explain Tony what the difference is between the perception of being dazzled and actually being dazzled???

Is it possible that some cars with xenon lights have suffered from a failure of the automatic levelling system? Or other mechanical default that misalines the headlights?

Can you explain Tony what the difference is between the perception of being dazzled and actually being dazzled???

Classic!


Awaits the explanation with interest ...

It's quite simple. When people see something different to the norm they often make an assumption that is not actually true. People also exaggerate. "Oooo Mable, look at these bright lights behind / in front of us - they are really bright and dazzling".

Many people have defective night vision and glare recovery - and they either don't realise it or they refuse to stop driving at night. That's not the fault of xenon lights.

I can honestly say that xenon lights don't dazzle me because, I don't look into them and my night vision is OK.

What sort of person stares into another cars headlights anyway? I await the explanation with interest? ;)

No one was talking about staring into the lights.
The problem would be when the vehicle is close behind and the lights reflect directly from your rearview mirror into your face.

Most xenon lights don't dazzle me either, and my car has them too, but it is annoying when a car is bouncing slightly as when it lifts it's like being flashed with full beam.

I have to disagree you with you though, if you percieve that you have been dazzled, then that's what's happened. What you described above wasn't perception, but was exaggeration.

What sort of person stares into another cars headlights anyway? I await the explanation with interest? ;)

If they're right behind you, glaring into your mirrors, half blinding you, you don't have much choice. It's disconcerting and distracting. OK yes, you can adjust your mirrors in various ways but then you dont have the proper angles you need.

It's not the same as someone coming towards you and passing you in a second ... dip don't dazzle, remember the PS ad? - if they're behind you for miles and there's nowhere for you to pull over and let them pass, which is always my preferred course of action, what can you do?

I always find it hard to believe that the driver behind doesn't realise, after all when they're lighting up the entire interior of your car, surely they must realise their headlights aren't dipped or are badly adjusted?

If they're right behind you, glaring into your mirrors, half blinding you, you don't have much choice. It's disconcerting and distracting. OK yes, you can adjust your mirrors in various ways but then you dont have the proper angles you need.

So, the problem is that you don't want to dip your rear view mirror, not that the car behind has lights that you think are too bright? ;)

So, the problem is that you don't want to dip your rear view mirror, not that the car behind has lights that you think are too bright? ;)

Obviously I must suffer from night blindness or something, do you think? Stop blaming the victim :rolleyes: - just get em sorted, and save the rest of us the trouble of adjusting and re-adjusting our wing mirrors ...

Actually, I was under the impression that having wrongly adjusted lights was a moving traffic offence?

My tall 4x4 with xenons has just had its MOT so it must be ok. I still get the (very) occasional flash from other drivers though.

So, you tell me? In all seriousness, perhaps you do have night vision problems if it is such a big issue for you.

Ruby,

I think Tony was trying to make the distinction between correctly adjusted, but very bright, xenon lights on dipped beam that to some may appear to be on full beam, and those driving around with 'normal' lights left on full beam.

Whereas I think that you meant people shouldn't have to adjust mirrors to compensate for others' bad driving and lighting habits.

Tony,

I think Ruby meant wing mirrors (which don't have a 'dip' function) as well as the rear view.

My tall 4x4 with xenons has just had its MOT so it must be ok. I still get the (very) occasional flash from other drivers though.

So, you tell me? In all seriousness, perhaps you do have night vision problems if it is such a big issue for you.

It depends on the car for me; In the Mondeo it's not so much a problem; in the TVR, off road-4x4 headlights tend to be at my eye height which exaggerates the glare effect, particularly in the wet and even more so when the vehicle behind is following too closely.

Ruby, I think Tony was trying to make the distinction between correctly adjusted, but very bright, xenon lights on dipped beam that to some may appear to be on full beam, and those driving around with 'normal' lights left on full beam.
Whereas I think that you meant people shouldn't have to adjust mirrors to compensate for others' bad driving and lighting habits.
Tony, I think Ruby meant wing mirrors (which don't have a 'dip' function) as well as the rear view.


Thank you for mediating stackmonkey ... actually I think Tony just interposed the red herring about his 'newfangled lights' The OP was about people driving behind you and dazzling you with their full beams and/or fogs on ... as I understood it anyway. The xenon thing seems to be a bit off topic :D

Hehe stackmonkey for UN Secretary General!

I held off saying the next bit, bit it's appropriate to mention it now; My car has mirrors that dip automatically, including the wing mirrors which I think is a major part of why I never have a problem. (Well that and my owl-like night vision ;)) The technology will soon catch up with all new cars and as more and more cars have xenons people will simply get used to it.

But, that still doesn't take away my basic point that I think there is a false perception of dazzle and also a lot of drivers with duff vision. How many people "don't like driving at night"? There's probably a good reason for that (poor vision) and they really should listen to the message from their senses and get somebody else to drive when it's dark.

Thank you for mediating stackmonkey ... actually I think Tony just interposed the red herring about his 'newfangled lights'
Err.. yes. Perhaps I have a little ;)

Deploying your james bond style oil slick/calltrops/rockets is one of the best deterrants I find. But you do have to refill the reservoir/pouch/launcher when you get home.

Alternatively, have a passenger climb out through the sun roof, let the car behind come to close, and then leap across onto it. Hand onto the wipers whilst they try to shake you off, then smash your way in through the side window before pushing them out the door.
Then dip the headlights.

You just wanted us to know you have a tall 4x4 with flashy self adjusting to the terrain lights .... :hihi:

Whilst I, on the other hand, have a low slung foxy red bullet, and night blindness ...:cool:

edit - now hysterical at Cyclone's last post ... :D

I'm still amused by this idea false perception of dazzle

I had a false perception of a noise being too loud and hurting my ears in just the same way. I said it hurt, they said, "no, you're just thinking that it hurts, and when it stops it'll not feel like that anymore".

If you perceive something, then that's how it is for you. It doesn't matter whether someone else perceives it differently.

If you have duff eyes then your perception is different isn't it?

If the noise is too loud you don't listen to it.
If the light is too bright you don't look at it.

It sounds quite straight-forward to me. People are such wimps nowadays :D

Er - that's pretty unusual, lots of brake lights stuck on, considering how rarely that happens.

Are you confusing it with people who leave their foglights on. That happens often enough, usually by female drivers, in my experience.

I know a foglight when I see one (AND I'm a woman driver - amazing :suspect: ) because as a general rule, there are only one or two of them and in these instances, the giveaway has been the light in the middle of the back window.

Now if my brake lights were stuck on, I can see the middle one reflected in the back window as it's just above the parcel shelf. I'm also sensible and responsible enough to get someone to check my rear lights for me periodically.

If you have duff eyes then your perception is different isn't it?


yes, the perception would be different to yours, but that doesn't mean that it isn't dazzling.

(I don't have duff eyes, well, not so duff that glasses don't sort them out).

And I don't have night blindness ... :cool:

I think you're just going to have to accept Tony, that sometimes people do have their lights either on full beam or badly adjusted and that if they are driving up ya chuff, their lights are going to pi... annoy you.

Anyway, if you're the one with the duff lights driving behind, your perception of dazzle is irrelevant :hihi:

It's quite simple. When people see something different to the norm they often make an assumption that is not actually true. People also exaggerate. "Oooo Mable, look at these bright lights behind / in front of us - they are really bright and dazzling".

Many people have defective night vision and glare recovery - and they either don't realise it or they refuse to stop driving at night. That's not the fault of xenon lights.

I can honestly say that xenon lights don't dazzle me because, I don't look into them and my night vision is OK.

What sort of person stares into another cars headlights anyway? I await the explanation with interest? ;)

They dont. The driver behind shines them in the rearview mirror and unless one adjusts the mirror to an angle whereby it is of no use the driver is dazzled and cannot drive safely due to not being able to see the road ahead.

This is a little pet hate of mine but i see it all the time driver in cars usually boy racer types in corsas/saxos/novas driving round with their foglights on

Do these people realise that its illegal unless visability is below 300ft/100m's

and can get u 3 points, it dazzles other drivers and is dangerous.

moan over

This is a little pet hate of mine but i see it all the time driver in cars usually boy racer types in corsas/saxos/novas driving round with their foglights on

Do these people realise that its illegal unless visability is below 300ft/100m's

and can get u 3 points, it dazzles other drivers and is dangerous.

moan overThat is annoying and I've sometimes wondered if having a 100w rear facing foglight on back might help. Rear foglights are more annoying though especially when people still have them on 3 weeks after they were in a little bit of mist.

Stop whinging..

I have mine on all the time, when it's about to go dark, but when it's really dark, I switch to my sidelights.

Couldn't you have used to forum space for something better to moan about?

:rolleyes:

only trying to stop u gettin 3 points but then again i dare say ur one of inconsiderate drivers on the road

so when its dark u don't have ur headlights on

only trying to stop u gettin 3 points but then again i dare say ur one of inconsiderate drivers on the road

so when its dark u don't have ur headlights onHe'll turn them off when he grows up and realises what a t*** he looks.

Stop whinging..

I have mine on all the time, when it's about to go dark, but when it's really dark, I switch to my sidelights.

Couldn't you have used to forum space for something better to moan about?

:rolleyes:

What a T*T.

Drivers should also switch of their rear and front fog lights when traffic catches up with them from the rear or when they catch up with traffic in front even when u are in foggy conditions. Rear fog lights are there to let traffic know your there, so when they catch up behind u dont need them on! and front fogs allow better visibility but if u are following a car in front u dont need them!!

I think(hope) that scarby wasn't being serious.

...Drivers should also switch of their rear and front fog lights when traffic catches up with them from the rear or when they catch up with traffic in front even when u are in foggy conditions.....
That's a level of driving skill/consideration that most British motorists will never achieve. It ranks up there right alongside motorway lane discipline and parking.

You're ice skating up hill if you think the majority of British motorists will grasp that concept. Nice try though ;)

This is a little pet hate of mine but i see it all the time driver in cars usually boy racer types in corsas/saxos/novas driving round with their foglights on



Pet hate of mine, too. You also get a few 4x4 SUVs and a few in smaller 'aspirational' motors too, though usually they don't seem to realise it.

I tend to regard foglights-on-without-fog as a free kn*bhead identifier.

Am personally not a driver but can u not put your high beams on to anoy them back .. or is this too dangerous ..?

Am personally not a driver but can u not put your high beams on to anoy them back .. or is this too dangerous ..?

No, it's usually front foglights that are on, because they mistakenly believe it is 'cool'.
I will sometimes flash my rear fog light, if it won't affect other drivers, but most will either completely ignore you, or be completely oblivious that they have their lights on, or will then flash their full beam....:rolleyes:

I have mine on all the time, when it's about to go dark, but when it's really dark, I switch to my sidelights.

I think this is quite good. As in the twilight before it goes dark they wont dazzle anyone, but they are more visible than side lights which arnt much good at those times. Unfortunately my car wont allow the fogs on without the sides which combined are a bit too much.

Most people I see running round with fogs at night are not boy racers, they are middle age people who are likely to have forgotten they are on.

Cant say I've ever been dazzled by fogs. They are just an unecessary undirected volume of light that errodes your night vision that little bit more when facing them. Its the totally legal xenons on high up 4x4's that leave me blinded sometimes.

fog lights dont bother me so much.. its the opposite for me and the morons who dont put thier lights on in the fog at all. Last Xmas i was driving in really bad fog and nearly went into someone as they had no lights not even side lights on! or when your in rain and visibiltiy is poor and they dont have any lights on, dont think these people realise that its for us people behind so we dont rear end them rather than thier benefit!

What a T*T.

Drivers should also switch of their rear and front fog lights when traffic catches up with them from the rear or when they catch up with traffic in front even when u are in foggy conditions. Rear fog lights are there to let traffic know your there, so when they catch up behind u dont need them on! and front fogs allow better visibility but if u are following a car in front u dont need them!!

Rear fog lights are for fog — not for general use to let traffic know you’re there. They’ll know you’re there because you’re in front of them!

Most people I see running round with fogs at night are not boy racers, they are middle age people who are likely to have forgotten they are on.


I disagree, a whole host of modern cars automatically turn off the fog lights when you turn the sidelights off. The driver then has to turn them back on again.

As a policeman friend of mine says, they're used solely as a fashion accessory one which he's happy to dish out a fine and some point for!

they're used solely as a fashion accessory
I never have understood why anyone would wish a fashion accessory that screams 'look at me I'm a d1ckhead'.

I think this is quite good. As in the twilight before it goes dark they wont dazzle anyone, but they are more visible than side lights which arnt much good at those times. Unfortunately my car wont allow the fogs on without the sides which combined are a bit too much.

Most people I see running round with fogs at night are not boy racers, they are middle age people who are likely to have forgotten they are on.

Cant say I've ever been dazzled by fogs. They are just an unecessary undirected volume of light that errodes your night vision that little bit more when facing them. Its the totally legal xenons on high up 4x4's that leave me blinded sometimes.

according to the dsa side lights should be used for parking when it goes dark ur headlights should be used. If u want to let people no ur there put ur headlights on. like motorcyucles and vovlos

Yeah, totally agree with the original OP. People driving around with their fog lights on is a real big pet hate of mine. Everytime one of these, what I only can describe as cretins, drives towards me I can't help but flash my main beam at them. Probably shouldnt, but how else are you supposed to show your disapproval at speed without giving the bird.

Rear fog lights are for fog — not for general use to let traffic know you’re there. They’ll know you’re there because you’re in front of them!
I think what ZEDEX48K was saying is that if it's foggy and you have your rear fog lights on, you can turn them off when the car behind you is close enough to see your regular rear lights. You can judge this by seeing how far in front you can see the car's lights that you are following.

Many drivers turn their fog lights on (during fog) but leave their brains turned off.

Stop whinging..

I have mine on all the time, when it's about to go dark, but when it's really dark, I switch to my sidelights.

Couldn't you have used to forum space for something better to moan about?

:rolleyes:

So you freely admit to being a tit?

So you freely admit to being a tit?

I remember his pose from the hotornot thread, its not just while driving that he likes to look a tit.

Mod Note: Threads merged.

I never have understood why anyone would wish a fashion accessory that screams 'look at me I'm a d1ckhead'.

And there are lots of them about, think some modded cars! :loopy:

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Or being a huge fat SUV, leave it behind.

Well, a range rover sport can do 0-100 in 7.6 seconds, so I'm guessin that a lot of the forummers couldn't do this :hihi: :hihi:

The worst dazzling cars to me seem to be Mercs and Audis. I don't know if their lights are set up differently to others, but their xenons just seem brighter than other cars.
Got to say tho, it doesn't really bother me, nor does the front foglight problem. Now the rear foglight, that really p*sses me off!!;)

0-60 isn't the be all and end all, it's no use at all if it gets to the first corner and goes straight on into the ladybower.

The merging mod has struck again, dazzling headlights and foglights, definitely not the same topic, but who cares.

0-60 isn't the be all and end all, it's no use at all if it gets to the first corner and goes straight on into the ladybower.

The merging mod has struck again, dazzling headlights and foglights, definitely not the same topic, but who cares.

I've driven one, believe me it corners. :hihi: :hihi:

I think one of the reasons full beam doesn't annoy me is the fact I used to work in the Hope Vally area. Every other car left the full beam on and I ended up just getting used to it rather than constantly flicking my main beam on to tell them.

I was driving back from Manchester last night, and from Bamford a range rover arrived behind me and proceeded to almost blind me with its headlights; maybe range rovers just have very bright lights even when dipped, but more likely the driver had them on full beam. I was trying to get his attention by dipping/undipping my lights repeatedly, and by even flicking my lights completely off and back on again several times, but the message didn't get through. Does anybody know of any good tricks to warning somebody that their lights are on full?


fog lights :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I find the very bright white headlights (xenon?) annoying on BMs, Vauxhall Omega and some others annoying because they seem to be flashing you when they go over bumps and also flash a blue light that look like emergency services at certain angles.