Now I'm all for re-cycling and take part in the blue box and bag scheme in Derbyshire and have just taken 6 carrier bags of plastic to the Onyx skip........

but what is Sheffield up to expecting residents to have 4 wheelie bins on what for most people are smallish drives/gardens.

For anybody not familiar with recycling in Sheffield residents have;

black bin for general rubbish
blue bin for paper
green bin for garden refuse
and AN Other bin in the offing for plastic

I wouldn't rule out a 5th bin for tin cans
:loopy: :loopy:

This also means 4 visits up and down the drive tugging these bins on emptying days .... not a welcome prospect when you are old or unsteady on the pins.

Come on Sheffield I know that you are lagging behind in your recycling targets but be a bit more understanding of the problems you are causing for residents.

that's absolutely mad. Where I live at home in Merseyside we have 1 wheelie bin! And that's for a big detatched house! We have to get rid of the rest ourselves!

Not got a green bin yet - and fed up of the paper bin - how many times has it blown over! Other week paper flying everywhere!

Its hard I guess to find a balance. On one hand there are people that are happy to take their recyclable rubbish to the relevant areas and there are others which would like to but don't have the time to do so and this is where the extra bins come in useful altho 5 bins does take the micky. Maybe the additional recycling bins could be introduced as more of a 'street bin'..i.e one set per street as opposed to one per houshold. Make them big enough to take the whole streets rubbish..but then you have the problem of where to put them!?!. To be fair to SCC what are you to do?? Encourage recycling but then we complain about 2 many bins then we don't have enough bins and we complain that we have to drive to Morrisons to dump the bottles and plastic...DOH!!!

All for recyleling.

The bins are handy as its hard for me to get to the sites even though I live up the road from one.

the problem is where can I store them, as with just the black and blue bins the front of my house is full.

We have no access to the back garden unless I drag the bin though the house

Jubby

Mo, I sympathise with you, but Sheffield has one of the WORST recycling records in the country. Only 5% of our rubbish is recycled.

If all these recycling bins mean that rubbish isn't dumped at the Parkwood landfill site or burnt in the Bernard Road incinerator, then I'm all for them.

And I look forward to one for tin and aluminium cans as well!

But honestly Mo, none of this will never happen - Onyx has invested too much in incineration to expand doorstep recycling.

I see this as being another PR stunt by Onyx.

Originally posted by Abdul
Mo, I sympathise with you, but Sheffield has one of the WORST recycling records in the country. Only 5% of our rubbish is recycled.

If all these recycling bins mean that rubbish isn't dumped at the Parkwood landfill site or burnt in the Bernard Road incinerator, then I'm all for them.

And I look forward to one for tin and aluminium cans as well!

But honestly Mo, none of this will never happen - Onyx has invested too much in incineration to expand doorstep recycling.

I see this as being another PR stunt by Onyx.

But isn't this what happens when you put these issues in the hands of private companies?

Originally posted by Mo
But isn't this what happens when you put these issues in the hands of private companies?

Are we talking recycling improvements, or slick PR :)

Slick pr Abdul :)

What I'm saying is that in Derbyshire we have a blue box and a blue bag. They are a sensible size and can be stored in the garage out of the way. Perfectly adequate in size if we can be classed as an average sized family. Why does Sheffield have to go OTT with a wheelie bin explosion?

We don't all have Whirlow sized drives :wink:

Meh, our bin men don't always come for the normal black bins, especially if there's cars parked both sides of teh cul-de-sac :loopy:

So what now?! Another bin that'll hardly ever get emptied?! :loopy:

Well given that i have to seperate glass into green and white, and seperate out the plastics, put them all in different bags and take them to the recycling bins... i wouldn't mind having four bins. My only problem with the blue bin is that fill it too soon! (mostly with junkmail)

Also, Derbyshire can't be that different. My friend who lives in Dronfield has three bins. One for Rubbish, one for garden waste and one for recycling.

I am with Mo on this one, I live near Chesterfield and we manage quite well with one black wheelie bin and a blue box with a plastic bag for papers, my relatives live in Mosborough and they are waist (pun intended) deep in different coloured bins.

owdlad.

Well these bins wouldn't be needed if everyone took their recycling to the bins that are all over the place.

Originally posted by Snook
Well these bins wouldn't be needed if everyone took their recycling to the bins that are all over the place.

Great idea, Snook!

I'll just take an afternoon off work to nip down, shall I?

Or should I leave the babies at home alone for an hour or two?

Decision, decisions....:D

Originally posted by Snook
Well these bins wouldn't be needed if everyone took their recycling to the bins that are all over the place.

Well Snook

How do we magicly get our stuff to these sites.

I live 2 bus stops away and with 4 kids 2 who are disabled I can't get to the site to recylce.

Any suggestions other than the bins.

Don't have aproblem with the bins just got no where to put them, unless I block my front door, one of my emergency exits I point out.

Jubby

Originally posted by Abdul
Great idea, Snook!

I'll just take an afternoon off work to nip down, shall I?

Or should I leave the babies at home alone for an hour or two?

Decision, decisions....:D

My point exactly. :thumbsup:

you could always drive them all there Abdul :D

tbh, having 4 bins will be a bit silly, i would have thought there were more sensible ways round it, few other councils seem to use so many.

biggest problem must be for people who's house goes straightonto the street - where are al lhtese bins gonna be kept?

and is everywhere getting them, i heard a horrible rumour that the other bins would only be made available if we had used the blue one 'properly'!

In Derbyhire the edible rubbish is saved up and thrown at lycra clad cyclists on Sunday mornings. Now that's what I call recycling.

The inedible stuff is served up at the Bakewell chippie. Yum.

Ever wandered why Sheffield water tastes so good? Well, the really toxic stuff is piped directly from each Derbyshire household into the Ladybower reservoirs thus minimising the number of bins needed to one per street.

Amazing.

Does anyone know if there is any truth concerning the proposals for used condom bin? And would its use be mandatory? Apparently there's a proposal for a bungee park on Devoshire Green and the rubber would be useful. Now that's what I call imaginative recycling - well done Sheffield.

Originally posted by commie pig
you could always drive them all there Abdul :D


The Parkwood recycling site is next to the Parkwood landfill site...and I ain't taking my little 'uns up there!

Sheffield residents set to get 4th bin


I can just imagine a non sheffielder reading that thread title and thinking "OH MY GOD - Sheffield only has 3 bins?!?"

at the moment we all have a blue and black bin
a pilot scheme of green bins is starting, 45,000 at first
there are no plans for a further bin at present
so most people have 2, some will have 3.... but only if the want the green, it will be optional!
also, recycling rate now 11%, not 4%..... purely due to success of blue bins

Originally posted by easyrider
also, recycling rate now 11%, not 4%..... purely due to success of blue bins

I'm pleased to read that Sheffield has achieved the statutory 10% minimum recycling target.

Now...will Onyx continue to promote doorstep recycling as much as possible, or will recycling rates remain stagnant while Onyx continue with more controversial methods such as incineration and / or landfill?

Have only really seen the black wheelie bins that have been around in Sheffield for some years - are all the others the same size? If so, I can't imagine how most homes would have room for four. Also, if they are that big, surely most ordinary families won't fill them in a week? Would they all be emptied every week?

Where I live in Staffordshire we have a black bin for absolute rubbish and a brown bin for garden waste and these are emptied alternate weeks. We also have two green boxes - one for paper and card and the other one for glass, metal, plastic, etc - most people keep the boxes inside the house or in garage or shed - they are not that big - they are emptied every week and as a fairly average family we always have loads of room for everything we want to put in them. Think we'd need 5 or 6 weeks to fill a wheelie bin with all our recyclable stuff. Lots of people moaned when the system started and suggested all sorts of reasons why it wouldn't work but it is fine - we got used to it very quickly and we are now one of the best areas in the country for amount of waste recycled.
If you live in Sheffield and you're concerned about this, get your local councillors to find out what goes on in Staffs - we don't get everything right here but our waste system is good.

When I lived in Oxford there was one blue box for each house for anything recycleable (well, paper, glass and metal at least). The bin lorry that collected them had separate compartments for each type of rubbish, and the bin men sorted the rubbish into the compartments at the roadside.

Obviously this is rather more work for the collection staff, but much easier for the public, and the boxes were certainly well used around my area.

Originally posted by IanR
When I lived in Oxford there was one blue box for each house for anything recycleable (well, paper, glass and metal at least). The bin lorry that collected them had separate compartments for each type of rubbish, and the bin men sorted the rubbish into the compartments at the roadside.

Obviously this is rather more work for the collection staff, but much easier for the public, and the boxes were certainly well used around my area.

When i lived in America we used the same system. One large box that you put paper, glass and plastics into. These were then sorted by the men who collected them as they went, putting them into one of three holes in the side of the truck they came around in. Seemed to work perfectly well there.

Originally posted by IanR
When I lived in Oxford there was one blue box for each house for anything recycleable (well, paper, glass and metal at least). The bin lorry that collected them had separate compartments for each type of rubbish, and the bin men sorted the rubbish into the compartments at the roadside.

Obviously this is rather more work for the collection staff, but much easier for the public, and the boxes were certainly well used around my area.

crikey!

I am horrified at the idea of a third bin, let alone a bloomin' Fourth!!!

and as for the bin men sorting the recyclables! (shakes head incredulously!)
we can't even persuade the bin men to collect our bins on the day they are supposed to, let alone get them to do any sorting!

And I have a dispensation, being disabled... If i had a quid for every time the prats just slung the bins down my path, in the general direction of my door, and ended up blocking me in the house, along with my wheelchair, I'd be a very rich woman... (I can't move the bins myself)

And in my district, you cannot shift already, any day of teh week, because locals can't be ars*d to bring their bins in, off the street, this has been compounded by the blue bins.
my gosh! I shall have to wheel my chariot in the roadway, as there will be even less room on the pavement for pedestrians, prams and wheelchairs!

PT

Hmm, I find the rubbish collection in Nether Edge to be just fine. The bins are usually placed back by the kerb neater than some people put them out.

And they always come on the same day, around the same time

Yeah, have to admit that the service in Nether Edge has always been good... on our road anyway. I've never known them to not collect, and always put them back neatly on the pavement... maybe its a different lot of people?

How long until we get large recycling bins to dispose of our old, worn out bins?

I think it would be great if we could come up with a better proposal for increasing reclycling, rather than more coloured bins. Perhaps a site such as this, with 5,000+ members could hold some sway. Any suggestions?

what about one bin for general waste, and a second bin for recyling, with partitions in it; one for paper one for plastics and one for metals eg steel/ aluminium etc?

or would that be too much like common sense?

PT

Originally posted by Snook
Well these bins wouldn't be needed if everyone took their recycling to the bins that are all over the place.

The bins wouldn't need emptying so often if manufacturers didn't keep adding wasteful bulky packaging to their products, and companies stopped sending junk mail that goes straight in the blue bin anyway

Where I'm from they haven't even got recycle bins yets, and if you don't drive its pretty much impossible to recycle. Maybe wheelie bins are a bit cumbersome, but you have to admit its better than nothing.

what about one bin for general waste, and a second bin for recyling, with partitions in it; one for paper one for plastics and one for metals eg steel/ aluminium etc?

How would you have them empty the second bin?

well if you live in appartments they won't give you any think how much recycling they could get from there but they don't bother

Originally posted by Ravenger
The bins wouldn't need emptying so often if manufacturers didn't keep adding wasteful bulky packaging to their products, and companies stopped sending junk mail that goes straight in the blue bin anyway
That's a real bugbear of mine. You can't buy anything without the shop trying to give you a pointless, usually plastic, bag.

People... here's a tip... it's EASIER to carry that newspaper/greetings card/bottle of milk/etc. home WITHOUT a plastic bag.

I always refuse bags unless I really couldn't carry the stuff I've bought.

Back from the supermarket and the first job is to seperate all the tubs and cartons and chuck half a hundredweight of plastic and cardboard in the bin. The best answer of course is to go to the butchers, greengrocers and bread shop.

I really don't need printed instructions to fry sausages or grill a lamb chop, cook pasta or boil a pan of peas.

It's barmy, wasteful, creates uneeded landfill and pollution.

remembering when to put the blue bin out is a task in itself lol

Originally posted by Tony
That's a real bugbear of mine. You can't buy anything without the shop trying to give you a pointless, usually plastic, bag.

People... here's a tip... it's EASIER to carry that newspaper/greetings card/bottle of milk/etc. home WITHOUT a plastic bag.

I always refuse bags unless I really couldn't carry the stuff I've bought.

Back from the supermarket and the first job is to seperate all the tubs and cartons and chuck half a hundredweight of plastic and cardboard in the bin. The best answer of course is to go to the butchers, greengrocers and bread shop.

I really don't need printed instructions to fry sausages or grill a lamb chop, cook pasta or boil a pan of peas.

It's barmy, wasteful, creates uneeded landfill and pollution.

I see your point their.

I take bags home to save money the supermarket I use, use fully biodradable bags, so are better than purchased refuse sacks.

Re the instructions, that is personal. Not everyone knows how to cook so follow the instructions, Pasta can take different times to cook depending on which type you've bought. For instance the easy cook pasta for a leading supermarket if yuo cook it at a different time than on the packet it will be either under or over cooked and taste horrible. This would knock the confidence of someone learning to cook, especilay if they have special needs.

Jubby

Originally posted by jessycar
remembering when to put the blue bin out is a task in itself lol

We got a sticker with ours and my mum got a new sticker when the nest set of days started.

Jubby

Originally posted by jubby
We got a sticker with ours and my mum got a new sticker when the nest set of days started.

Jubby

yeah u do get the stickers but it's a case of checking it. saying that, u do notice other people putting their's out.

Throw the packaging away?:confused:

You mean I've been eating the tastiest part of a box of cornflakes, the box, and chucking the contents when it should be the other way round?:confused:

Seriously though, if there was less packaging we'd probably need less carrier bags to carry it all. In Sainsbury's I've noticed that whether you buy two lamb chops or six, the packaging is the same size:loopy:

I agree with Tony on the packaging problem, there is excess on may things. It is the frist job on arriving home to get rid of it in the right place, manly the paper bin.

I think the bins of different type are a good idea though storage is a problem for many people, and will be for us, But it will save it hanging around in baskets outside the house and lining up by the door until there is too much, as it does now, and driving to take it to the bins.

Would not a glass bin be better than plastic? or garden rufuse? most people in Sheffield have a big enough garden to fill one.

How about this? The council put in the recycling bins like there used to be at different sites. There used to be glass bins at the Punchbowl car park in Crookes, which was good, but they were removed because they used to overflow from not being emptied regularly enough. And then it was said that they were removed because the local people were not using it enough. I someone got it wrong there:loopy: :loopy:

So how about having many local recycling facilities, at churches, pubs, schools, parks, and local shops that actually get emptied.

Supermarkets continue to claim that they care about recycling and being green.
Don't believe it.What they care about is making profits.
Just take the example of returnable bottles.The last two beers to carry a deposit were Grolsch and Newcastle Brown.But the supermarkets didn't want to know it as it needed staff to deal with the empties.So now there isn't a drink witha returnable bottle.

In Belgium, beer bottles are recycled as whole bottles, not broken ones. Many beers have the same brown bottle and they just get redistributed amongst the breweries as required. All the brewers have the same plant and the bottles get used for different beers.

Maybe if the 'polluter pays' principle was used, and supermarkets and manufacturers paid a levy according to the amount of waste that they produced we might get somewhere VERY fast.

My... aren't they simple ideas?

Originally posted by jubby
We got a sticker with ours and my mum got a new sticker when the nest set of days started.

Jubby

our blue bin started life with a lid with the dates on it, but when we had the heavy wind over winter, the bin go blown over and the lid disappeared. Rang Onyx for another, but was told would have to wait.
We now wait for the neighbours to put theirs out, and try and get a look at their lids to see when the next date will be.
I then usually promptly forget it.

sue:rolleyes:

Originally posted by BAZZO
Supermarkets continue to claim that they care about recycling and being green.
Don't believe it.What they care about is making profits.


I tend to agree - there is a smart way to improve recycling in any given area. When I lived in Germany (and this was over 10 years ago) all the Supermarkets had benches near the exits with recycle bins.

The idea was that you could buy all your stuff and then stop before you left to shop to chuck away most of the useless packaging !!!!

Mind you, it always struck me a interesting point of human nature that this method was seen as preferable to not putting the packaging on in the first place - apparently they tried this but the manufacturers insisted that people wouldn't buy the produce without posh packaging and they had done studies to prove it !