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news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5301824.stm


Watching the Six O'Clock News just now, I saw a story that shocked me. Basically, Tony Blair's suggesting that steps should be taken against problem families much earlier than they currently are. I'm sure that many here would agree with this, but his proposals included screening of families before their children were even born, giving them 'advice' and potentially taking their children away from them if they refused to comply.

Now I'm no expert, but this all sounds like terrifying stuff to me and I would ask people to consider the potential impact on their lives in the future rather than dismissing this out of hand as not their problem. What I mean is that if such a law was passed and babies were taken away from their parents for failing to comply then, given time, such govt. action would become acceptable in many people's eyes and possibly pave the way for harsher laws and even screening of political views, lifestyle choices etc. in parents.

What do you all think, though? (no thoughtless 'blair is a ****' posts, please)

two words


police state

2 words

Wont happen

Two words - "Minority Report"

Well it could do if people take that attitude and keep their mouths shut.

EDIT: aimed at DaBouncer

I seriously think he is loosing his mind. I agree with DaBouncer it won't happen, it's seriously going to cause a huge stir. It's not political suicide, but it's close. Why on earth would he think this would be a good political move? He is clearly going crazy or getting some seriously bad advice.

Well it could do if people take that attitude and keep their mouths shut.

EDIT: aimed at DaBouncer
If it was aimed at me then use the quote function ;) :roll:

It's called media scaremongering.... that's what they do :hihi:

:loopy: Re: Tony Blair's rant about preventing Yob Culture.
So, as usual Tone is out of touch with real people. His latest barmpot idea to deal with tomorrow's yobs while they are still in nappies, or even PRE-BIRTH! He reckons he can stereotype certain groups of people as being likely to produce children who will become yobs in the future, for example families on low income and single parents.
Has he considered that one solution may be to improve the standard of living for these groups, and to end once and for all child poverty?
Has he also considered providing something for children to do? Not everyone can afford to take their children to activities as taking the kids to, for example, Ponds Forge can be very costly. Sports clubs are also expensive, and out of reach of many parents and teenagers.
Of course, there will always be the sort of people who don't care what their kids are up to, and action should be taken in these cases, but he should not tar everybody with the same brush!:loopy:
How quickly he forgets his OWN SON drinking underage and behaving (dare I say it?) Yobbishly.

They had Tony Blair on the news talking about it, so they haven't exagerrated anything but have got it straight from the horse's mouth.

And I didn't hit quote because you were the most recent poster when I started typing, but downtroad beat me :)

Actually this isn't a new idea. In the "olden" days (like when I was young :) ) social workers would quite often remove children for adoption on what we'd now think were fairly insubstantial grounds. Such as being young, working class and unmarried or unemployed.

As most of them were middleclass in those days, they probably thought it was a fate worse than death to be brought up in those circumstances. Which it could very well have been of course, as there was a stigma attached to being illegitimate for the child and precious little help, monetary or otherwise to be had for the parent.

Mr Prime Minister Blair seems to be scraping the bottom of the barrel with this idea though. We can only hope that someone with some sense is going to make him lie down in a darkened room. Or put him in his room to think about what he's said.

They had Tony Blair on the news talking about it, so they haven't exagerrated anything but have got it straight from the horse's mouth.

And I didn't hit quote because you were the most recent poster when I started typing, but downtroad beat me :)
Tell you what if it happens I'll give you a £1 :D

Feel free to quote me :P

DaBouncer, it's a deal :D

Tell you what if it happens I'll give you a £1 :D


Betting? Be carefull they may take your kids off you. :)

to quote a song... but are you out of time?

Betting? Be carefull they may take your kids off you. :)
Gleadless Valley born n bred me..... I'll be the first to get it :hihi:

He reckons he can stereotype certain groups of people as being likely to produce children who will become yobs in the future, for example families on low income and single parents.
Dont forget Ginners. :thumbsup:

I think its a grand idea.

Sterilise the unemployable now as that will break the viscious cycle of poverty & benefit dependent criminals.

Great work Tone! :thumbsup:

to quote a song... but are you out of time?
Sorry? I'm new to this, what do you mean?

I think its a grand idea.

Sterilise the unemployable now as that will break the viscious cycle of poverty & benefit dependent criminals.

Great work Tone! :thumbsup:

Where did you learn to spell?

Sterilise the unemployable.
Thats a lot of work for the Stannington Doctors Don.:hihi:

Where did you learn to spell?
On the planet Nepnute, why?

On the planet Nepnute, why?
You need to join our group Don the D.N.A.
National Dyslexic Association.

dont get me wrong, im not against getting rid of anti social behavior

thats going abit far tho really, may as well kill everybody as theyre born , then youll get rid of anti social behavior :P

Mod: Threads merged.

Sterilise the unemployable!

And the hard of thinking :thumbsup:

Sterilise the unemployable!

And the hard of thinking :thumbsup:
God theyd have a birthday with my love spuds then!

They could start by borrowing newsagents delivery notes, see who takes the Sun, Daily Sport, & The Guardian - nip round mob handed with a couple of bricks, knock knock & Bob's your Auntie! :thumbsup:

I dislike the idea as generally i'm against big government.
Intervention should be minimal and only when absolutely necessary.
Hopefully this will be just another barmpot idea that gets quietly dropped when the government realise just how unworkable and unpopular it really is.

Easiest way would be to give every baby an ASBO at birth, and if parents complain about it give them one apiece too.

Frankly, Blair’s completely lost the plot. Next thing you know he’ll be asking the Queen if he can borrow her Crown!

Frankly, Blair’s completely lost the plot. Next thing you know he’ll be asking the Queen if he can borrow her Crown!
You don't mean.... (http://www.freakingnews.com/entries/10000/10269CHJG_w.jpg)


:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

I see lots of negative posts on here regarding this idea, but I don't see my people suggesting how they would deal with this problem. How do you break the cycle of anti-social/criminal behaviour being passed down to the offspring of problem families? Your ideas on this would be great.

I suppose the first step would be to accurately identify those families.
The current proposal doesn't do this, his Teflonesses own words were that if you are a single mother on a low income, then social services will get involved and monitor you from before you even have a child.

If he came on the forum and made a post saying that all children brought up by low income single mothers become yobs he'd be shouted down as being predujiced and tarring everyone with the same brush.

I suppose the first step would be to accurately identify those families.
The current proposal doesn't do this, his Teflonesses own words were that if you are a single mother on a low income, then social services will get involved and monitor you from before you even have a child.

If he came on the forum and made a post saying that all children brought up by low income single mothers become yobs he'd be shouted down as being predujiced and tarring everyone with the same brush.

Escuse my ignorance as I'm not familiar with this story, but is that what he was saying? If so, then he's completely out of touch with reality and he deserves every single one of these negative posts imo. My parents divorced when my brother and I were still young so, technically my mother was single mum for a time and both my brother didn't turn out to be yobs.

thats exactly what he's saying, I actually watched him say it on the news in an interview.

I think there should be a simple petition that reads:-

We the undersigned say:-

"don't be daft"

Signed

And then everyone signs it. It can then be used for any ideas of this sort that they think up.

I think there should be a simple petition that reads:-

We the undersigned say:-

"don't be daft"

Signed

And then everyone signs it. It can then be used for any ideas of this sort that they think up.
Nice one Ken, but shouldn't we be doing our bit to conserve the rainforests? Tony wouldn't be able to move for petitions!:P

There is sure start available for deprived young families, but nothing for the teenagers. Perhaps if there were some activities for the kids to chuffing do they wouldn't get bored and start causing trouble. Oh and perhaps a bit more constructive help offered to parents who have trouble coping with little buggers.

You need to join our group Don the D.N.A.
National Dyslexic Association.
He already applied to join, but his letter went to 'Notional Dislectric Assocean' instead.:hihi:

No, he doesn’t quite look the part.

I see lots of negative posts on here regarding this idea, but I don't see my people suggesting how they would deal with this problem. How do you break the cycle of anti-social/criminal behaviour being passed down to the offspring of problem families? Your ideas on this would be great.
you want me to say sterilize them all at the breeding age, dont you?:hihi: